I too play with On1 whenever a new version comes out, and am impressed by how much better it's gotten: I think their engineering team is catching up to their marketing. Most disappointing is that they don't seem to have the will to circle back to features they added during their "more hype than substance" days, and as a result, things like HDR merge and Panorama merge (for example) are still several steps behind many freeware offerings.
@AndyhutchinsonАй бұрын
Yea, there was definitely a rush to get to feature parity with Lightroom which didn't help them. Still I guess it's better than DxO's approach which is to iterate new features extremely slowly.
@barrythoms7150Ай бұрын
are you comparing to lightroom or lightroom or lightroom classic. which one is better?
@alrafter1593Ай бұрын
I have had On1 for years but for me this latest version has wrecked it .I can't work out why but everything is so slow. I am using 6 months old laptop with 16 GB ram , I7-I3700H processor, and RTX-4060 graphics so I don't think it is my computer. I have no problems with anything else. I have deleted it and reinstalled it but nothing improves.
@blackislepeastooАй бұрын
@@alrafter1593 I'd say you need to look at optimising your system and/or increasing memory - I'm using both a 4 year old desktop but with 96 GB DDR4 memory with a geforce rtx 2060 and a similar aged laptop using the 2060 laptop version but with only 32 GB memory - no issues with performance, but what you consider 'slow' may be different to me.
@marcrjacobsАй бұрын
Great, detailed, review... thanks!
@AndyhutchinsonАй бұрын
Cheers :)
@gizmothemightyАй бұрын
Thanks! I do agree with your test results! I like how easy to use ON1 interface is so at the moment I am actually using DXO Pure Raw 4 for demosaicing and noise and then the rest of the processing in ON1
@AndyhutchinsonАй бұрын
Nice - that's a strong combination. :)
@ChrisLegg17Ай бұрын
Thanks for the truly unbiased deep dive. Saved me a small, but meaningful (to me), amount of money.
@AndyhutchinsonАй бұрын
Glad it was helpful!
@alrafter1593Ай бұрын
I've used on1for about 3 years now . I downloaded this 24.5 version as soon as it came out. I don't know what has happened but it is now almost impossible to use it takes minutes to do anything .I am using 6 months old laptop with 16 GB ram , I7-I3700H processor, and RTX-4060 graphics. No problem with anything else.
@simonchilds2928Ай бұрын
I also have a really high spec AMD machine - yet this program is so slow
@alrafter1593Ай бұрын
@@simonchilds2928 I think I have found my problem. I re installed it twice to see if I could get it to work properly with no effect. I then looked at where it was installed. ie programs/ ON1/On1 photo raw 24.5. In that folder there was lots of files, I don't know what they do but I noticed that some had a different install date than others. I was a bit worried about it but I deleted them all. Just the files not some of the folders that are also their. Went to the install file which I had last downloaded and reinstalled it. When I restart it now it takes about a minute to a minute and a half to start but now appears to be working properly although I haven't used it much yet One problem I found was that the original shortcut doesn't work and at first I thought it wouldn't start . Just find the exe file in that folder I mentioned and it does. I haven't had time but I expect a short cut taken off it will.
@blackislepeastooАй бұрын
@@simonchilds2928 I'd say you need to look at optimising your system and/or increasing memory - I'm using both a 4 year old desktop but with 96 GB DDR4 memory with a geforce rtx 2060 and a similar aged laptop using the 2060 laptop version but with only 32 GB memory - no issues with performance, but what you consider 'slow' may be different to me.
@alrafter1593Ай бұрын
@@blackislepeastoo That's rubbish there are no laptops on sale with that much memory. most have 16gb. So are you saying in order to use a photo editing software you must spend tens of thousands on a computer .
@alrafter1593Ай бұрын
@@nightjockey3686 I was really happy with it until the last update
@pleclereАй бұрын
I'm new to this program, so still in my test period. I had a quite noisy picture that was denoised and sharpened via AI so it became sharper and the main subject stood out, but the picture also became too smooth so lots of details in for instance the wood disappeared. I tried to reduce the denoise to increase the details, but than it seemed to become much more noisy. I probably need to use masking to get around this. Still have to discover it further, but not sure it is a program for a beginner in AI controlled program. A suggestion for a better program for an amateur, or should I try it further as the price is acceptable for me?
@AndyhutchinsonАй бұрын
The best denoise at the moment is DxO's which you can find in their PureRAW pre-processing tool and in their full RAW editor Photolab. TopazLabs used to be good but definitely isn't any more. If you are on a Mac then Photomator has surprisingly good AI denoising.
@TerenceKearns16 күн бұрын
Excellent review. I have on1 2020 but I would be happy to pay for better debayering.
@Andyhutchinson13 күн бұрын
They're heading in the right direction I think. :)
@SwampyDuckRidesAgain363629 күн бұрын
Found this really useful as I was going to buy especially as some folks had recommended. I like the thought of no subscription but I do want everything to be as good as possible so if something else’s does it better then enough said.
@Andyhutchinson25 күн бұрын
Always worth giving the trial a good run, but yea, there are better options. :)
@mtbboy1993Ай бұрын
Great comparison. Great review. Definitely lots to define. The lack of more advanced adjustments which Photoshop offered was disappointing. 9:00 I don't think this showed up when I tried it, or it had this when I tried it, or I somehow missed it. But nice to see it has sky mask now or has it at all. But Shame it's not as good as Lightroom. Lightroom does a great job. Nice DXO improved and added features over the years, it came a long way from DxO Optics Pro 9 Which I tried many years ago Completely different name, and design. But tested DCO PhotoLab 7. But it's not perfect. I didn't find tone mapping / texture and clarity The de-fringing control is not as good as Lightroom Classic and Rawtherapee, they don't have perfection but more adjustment. But they call it Chromatic Aberration.
@AndyhutchinsonАй бұрын
Thanks. Yea, it's definitely improving rapidly. I think the mistake they made was to rush to add features so there was parity with other apps when they should have spot much more time finessing the core features and a smaller selection of newer ones.
@Hikebike365Ай бұрын
Thanks Andy! Question: if you start with a decently exposed image is the RAW processing deficiency as big a concern or drawback?
@AndyhutchinsonАй бұрын
Not so much no - it just speaks to the RAW decoding as a whole and impacts how nuanced you can be with your edits.
@joshh6395Ай бұрын
I jumped ship to make a point. I’ve enjoyed it so far but usually don’t need to make too many heavy adjustments with what I’m doing. The denoise isn’t as good as Lightroom definitely. I haven’t had to many tougher images to edit though recently. Waiting and see where adobe goes over the next 3 months, I might just keep Lightroom and ditch photoshop as affinity 2 as met all my needs. On1 hadn’t been a regrettable decision but it’s definitely no there with Lightroom, it’s not deal breaker level though.
@TerryKontopoulosАй бұрын
Thanks Andy!
@AndyhutchinsonАй бұрын
No worries!
@ShootingAndReloadingАй бұрын
Another good video :) It would be nice if you could share the test RAW files so we can test on our preferred editor.
@AndyhutchinsonАй бұрын
Thanks mate. I'll think about that. What I might do is shoot some specifically for testing and then let anyone download and compare and contrast. :)
@keptphotographyАй бұрын
In the demosaicing section, are you not presuming that the threshold between highlights, midtones and shadows remains the same across applications? If one application considers highlights to be the top 30% of the histogram, and the next considers it to be the top 20%, there will be a marked difference without also controlling the midtones and shadows.
@AndyhutchinsonАй бұрын
Possibly, but I also used every applicable tool to try and pull-back those highlights and the information simply wasn't there - that's a demosaicing issue.
@FJWoods007Ай бұрын
I think I can appreciate your intent.... anti-Fan Boy approach.... but you're comparing such a limited toolset that you'll simply never reach any other conclusion than the one you continue to reach: On1 is never going to beat DxO's demosaicing, and never going to beat Lr's masking. Those are the respective company's class-leading, R&D-busting showcase capabilities. You buy On1 for the price-to-capability ratio. (I own/have used all three, for the record).
@AndyhutchinsonАй бұрын
Cheers. I compared it to everything, but for the sake of brevity in the video I just demonstrated DxO and Photolab. I actually own all the other editors except for On1 (i.e. Photolab, C1, Photomator, Pixelmator, Photoshop/ACR, Lightroom, Luminar, Affinity). I take your point about the pricing, but would point out that On1 charge for the annual upgrade and it's not a huge reduction off the full price. To be honest, if price is the main reason for purchase, I'd be far more included to get DxO Pure RAW 2024 to pre-process and maximise dynamic range in the RAW and then something like Photomator to post-process. :)
@tonygorhamАй бұрын
Yeah I have all those tools. I think Andy does great reviews but this isn't realistic. We are judging it on its ability to rescue poor images. That's not what I need. If I really need that frame and massively over or under processed it I would run it through dxo first. I get it right on camera most of the time
@AndyhutchinsonАй бұрын
@tonygorham it's always the best bet to get it right in camera, that's for sure. But it's not just about saving bad images - there's colour data that's not being picked up by On1. Admittedly you'd be fine pre-processing in PureRAW, but it needs pointing out. :)
@tonygorhamАй бұрын
@@Andyhutchinson yeah it's a good review and I subscribed when I found your channel last week based on your earlier review of on1. I only just got on1 this week. For 'serious' work I think I would run then through pure raw. Gotta say the portrait ai in pure raw is good. Like actually really good
@AndyhutchinsonАй бұрын
@@tonygorham thanks Tony. That's good to know about the portraits. It's a good point actually, I need to state that I'm a landscape photographer processing landscape shots when I do these videos. I wouldn't use C1 for landscapes for instance, but for portraits it seems far better suited.
@gregboyle298128 күн бұрын
Maybe you could compare Luminosity masks to see if ON1 would fare better. Those would seem to be better tools for detailing around tree limbs (although tree limbs against a dark background may not work very well with a Luminosity mask). I know you were concentrating on AI Masking tools but your tests just made me curious.
@Andyhutchinson25 күн бұрын
Yea, luminosity masks would definitely do a better job with something like this. But ultimately it comes down to speed, accuracy and convenience. I can mask in Lightroom with one of the AI masks and finesse very quickly with add, subtract or intersect. I usually have upwards of 200 photos from a landscape shoot and I'd be at it all week if I used luminosity masks on all of 'em :)
@DanielPetreАй бұрын
Andy did you reviewed latest Luminar Neo too ? is the RAW demoisaicing better than ON1 Raw Photo 2024.5 ? Thanks !
@AndyhutchinsonАй бұрын
Luminar didn't have the best demosaicing engine last time I tested it - On1 was definitely better. But I haven't seriously tested it in over a year. :)
@hrksv1855Ай бұрын
Mr. Hutchinson, could you test the "Zoner Photo Studio" software?
@AndyhutchinsonАй бұрын
I will check it out.
@ianbrowne9304Ай бұрын
Great to see someone using a real crappy (everyday) file for a true comparison 👋👋 I gave On1 a good go back 2017-18 . I really liked the On1 way; but but but 🤕 Maybe my well known old Lr5 and Affinity Photo will do what I need to do for few more years .Getting too old to learn or relearn new apps . I often feel noise is over rated or overly worried about . Sometime I feel it's just because bad/lazy photography. Way back in film days grain became a drama at 400asa Great no BS review . Thank you!. Would love to know how well the DAM system has improved --- rather useless I thought in 2018 On a personal note: for my smashed up hearing , I appreciated your voice, and (&^%$) no music :)
@AndyhutchinsonАй бұрын
The asset management side is pretty polished these days and has some genuinely useful features.
@drchtctАй бұрын
Great review which perfectly shows the cheap engine behind this. No point in AI masking if the RAW processing is terrible and you can't recover anything anyway. I tried a bunch of free open source and cheap software and none of them came close to the image quality of my free Capture One Fuji Converter. The tool is fairly limited but I still get better results in half the time than paying for these shitty AI-heavy knock-offs.
@AndyhutchinsonАй бұрын
Yea, if the basics aren't great, then the rest is kind of redundant.
@johncameron6289Ай бұрын
Demosaicing: At the point of repeating myself, get it right (or nearly right) in the camera. Problem solved. Thanks.
@AndyhutchinsonАй бұрын
Not really. There's no sensor on the market that can always capture the entire dynamic range of a particular scene. Having better demosaicing doesn't compensate for shitty photography, it just enables you to get the best out of the image.