Why is there so many scriptures that contradict traditionalism.

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Yes you take the good parts and leave out the bad because God is not bad it's very simple

Yep. Plus it makes the most sense… God actually wins total victory in the end

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Exceedingly well said. 3 months ago when you originally commented this, it was hope against hope for this doctrine. I think I’m starting to believe…

Do you believe the native American Indians down through the centuries who never got to hear about Christ will be annihilated out of existence by God?

@@robbchristopher158 of course not, it says everyone will be reconciled to God not most will be annihilated out of existence. He loves them and can save them so he will save them all.

That is my most favorite verse! Thank you God bless you and everything you do!

in its various forms and offshoots, it is THE doctrine of just about every church in america.

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@@JTomas96 Nice to connect with someone else who gets it! All the best to you, brother.

@@michaell1425 Beware of Zionist Christianity handled by masons my brother. we are in the endtimes and are plagued by doctrines of devils.

Biblically speaking, God would still be completely glorious, kind, and loving even if He sentenced every person to hell. Sinners have no claim on heaven at all. Their only claim is the lake of fire and burning sulfur. This makes God's plan of salvation completely remarkable! Why would the King of Glory step down from His thrown, take on human flesh, and die a wretched death on a cross? He did it so that we might praise Him for His wonderful grace and mercy. "For you know the grace of our Lord Jesus Christ, that though He was rich, yet for your sake He became poor, so that you through His poverty might become rich." 2 Corinthians 8:9

@@micahhenley589 If by hell you are referring to literal eternal literal neverending torment, no, that is not loving to submit someone to that nor is is glorious. That is a mischaracterization of the God of the Bible. If that were true, either God never loved that person or stopped loving that person. But that is not a expression of love for a person in any way. Also, if you foreknew this plan for this person, to suggest you ever loved this person while knowing you'd stop loving this person to this degree, it is unlikely and hard to claim you loved that person at all to begin with.

@@artbyrobot1 The fact that God allows sinners to live for more than a second demonstrates His great love, mercy, and grace. Never forget that my brother. "But because of His great love for us, God who is rich in mercy, made us alive with Christ even when we were dead in transgressions-it is by grace you have been saved." Ephesians 2:4-5

@@micahhenley589 You say "The fact that God allows sinners to live for more than a second demonstrates His great love, mercy, and grace" --- I disagree. By that same logic, the fact that Satan doesn't immediately kill everyone who God is not actively protecting proves Satan's love, mercy, and grace as well. And the fact that homosexuals do not kill everyone who disagrees with them instantly proves their love, mercy and grace. This is illogical to claim. It only proves God is not a complete lunatic. That you think God should kill everyone in one second if they ever sin and taht would be best is of greater concern. You are just parroting some point that is often parroted in evangelical Christianity but have failed to consider how foolish it really is.

@@artbyrobot1 Ok, so let me ask you this question: If the LORD decided to destroy every sinner on earth would you approve of His actions or would you disapprove of Him. Will a mere human condemn the perfect Creator?

Biblically speaking, God would still be completely glorious, kind, and loving even if He sentenced every person to hell. Sinners have no claim on heaven at all. Their only claim is the lake of fire and burning sulfur. This makes God's plan of salvation completely remarkable! Why would the King of Glory step down from His thrown, take on human flesh, and die a wretched death on a cross? He did it so that we might praise Him for His wonderful grace and mercy. "For you know the grace of our Lord Jesus Christ, that though He was rich, yet for your sake He became poor, so that you through His poverty might become rich." 2 Corinthians 8:9

@@micahhenley589 I don't agree. I would never do that to my own children, nor do I at all believe that God will do that to his (as if we're somehow kinder and more loving than God Himself. Secondly, I'm not Trinitarian. My understanding is that Jesus Christ is the son of God: "For God does not dispatch His Son into the world that He should be judging the world, but that the world may be saved through Him." (John 3:17) . The lake of fire, the second death is figurative, not literal fire. God is going to abolish death (put an end to it). This is ALL DEATH, including the lake of fire. The word, hell is a mistranslated word for sheol (Hebrew for grave) and hades (Greek for grave/death). Jesus Christ saved us from DEATH. Again, this includes every aspect of DEATH (including the lake of fire, the second DEATH)! Jesus Christ is THE SAVIOR OF THE WORLD! This is EVERYONE! "Now this is the will of Him Who sends Me, that all which He has given to Me, of it I should be losing nothing, but I shall be raising it in the last day." (John 6:39 - CLNT) ..."for of that which fills Him we all obtained, and grace for grace." (John 1:16) The definition and meaning of grace is unmerited favor, something we didn't merit !(do as a work or qualify for, or earn ourselves). I understand way more about tradition than you realize. I was in it for years. I'd suggest looking at this if you can: ocoy.org/original-christianity/150-reasons-for-believing-in-the-final-salvation-of-all-mankind/ I don't mind talking about this stuff but to be honest, if just looked up these central topics, you'd find a whole lot more that could address your objections than I ever could in a lifetime. I'm not here to win proof text exchanges or debates. The salvation of all is my confident hope. I believe Jesus Christ is the successful and complete savior of the whole world. We didn't ask for it. That's what GRACE is!!!! Peace:)

@@jasonegeland1446 Well as long as you accept that Jesus Christ alone is Lord and savior then you are good. We may disagree on secondary issues but the main issue is the Son of Man. Who is He? What did He do and say? What was His mission and goals? These questions are of most importance. "I am the way, the truth, and the life. No one comes to the Father except though Me." John 14:6 "I am the Living One. I was dead, and now look, I am alive for ever and ever! And I hold the keys of death and Hades." Revelation 1:18

@@micahhenley589 It has nothing to do with acceptance. If you pull a drowning man out of the ocean, you saved him. He didn't ask you to do it. There's nothing he was otherwise required to do to earn it. This is what Christ did for everyone, including Hitler, hence grace and the Savior of the world.

I would not have kids if I knew even one of them will be guaranteed neverending torment. Better to not begin and just abstain entirely.

Church of God,christadelphians,Jehovah's witnesses,seventh day Adventists believe in annilationism.thats very depressing and demoralizing.👎🏽

Cool story bro. Neat opinion. I bet when the Creator, Abba, was inventing the story of the world he said “we better just go with medium balance here”

But the woman who lost the coin kept looking for it until she found it. The shepherd left the 99 sheep and found the one who was lost. So lost might not mean forever lost. In Luke chapter 9 James and John wanted to command fire to come down on a Samaritan village and consume them because they rejected them. But Jesus rebuked them, vs 55, “You do not know the Spirit you are of! For the Son of Man did not come to destroy mens lives but to save them” and there is another verse that says The Son of Man came to seek and save that which is lost. So yeah, the Bible talks about the lost, but Jesus will save the lost. Or maybe has already saved them before the foundations of the world and they just don’t have any awareness of it yet.

​@@dianebice9103I'm familiar with the passages you quote and alluded to, but to make a theological conclusion, i.e., universalism, from such passages is an overreach IMO. Biblical eschatology strongly suggests that there will be a great divide between 'sheep and goats' in the last day (as Jesus said in Matthew 25, but let me be quick to add that I don't hold to the traditional ECT doctrineof hell, I lean towards conditionalism). Umiversalism for remains in the realm of a theological and philosophical speculation and not borne out of exegesis.

@@zgobermn6895 I see the sheep and goats not as faith believers and nonbelievers, but rather the compassionate and the hard hearted. But regardless, I think divine justice is about making things right again, making the crooked paths straight. It’s for our betterment, not our demise. I think judgment springs forth from his love.

@@zgobermn6895 YOu say that there will be a great divide between sheep and goats in the last day. By this, you infer that universalism denies this. That's false. Apokatastasis universalism upholds this. We uphold that the goats are denied entry by the narrow gate and enter into the afterlife by the broad gate and they go to lower Hades for 1k+ years until the 2nd resurrection of the dead and the Great White Throne judgement event. From there they are cast into the Lake of Fire where they are purged and refined by the refining fire of the presence of God and they are saved by submitting to Christ.

The truth is there are 2 gospels, 1 to israel and 1 to the nations through paul. The etymology of Paul's name comes from the greek word "pauo" (strong's greek 3973) which means "pause" God paused his work he was doing with Israel from acts to hebrews to work through Paul to bring the gospel to the nations. Paul's gospel tells us that Christ saved all humanity (not just believers) through His sacrifice on the cross. As in adam all are dying, as in Christ all will be made alive. There is judgment, only death is unconsciousness and only age long or an eon. The greek word aionion (the plural form of aion "age" or "eon" so correct translation would be "eons") was mistranslated in almost all of our English versions to eternal, everlasting (eonion life), world, and forever and ever (if it's already forever why would they have to add the and ever? Correct translation is "eons of the eons" when the body of Christ get there glory and Israel get there promise on earth) this was a trick by the adversary to try and cover the true success of the cross, the salvation of the world, starting with Chist the firstfruit, those Christ's in his presence; thereafter the consummation (completion of Christ becoming all in all) 1 Corinthians 15:21-28 Concordant Literal New Testament 21 For since, in fact, through a man came death, through a Man, also, comes the resurrection of the dead. 22 For even as, in Adam, all are dying, thus also, in Christ, shall all be vivified. 23 Yet each in his own class: the Firstfruit, Christ; thereupon those who are Christ's in His presence; 24 thereafter the consummation, whenever He may be giving up the kingdom to His God and Father, whenever He should be nullifying all sovereignty and all authority and power. 25 For He must be reigning until He should be placing all His enemies under His feet. 26 The last enemy is being abolished: death. 27 For He subjects all under His feet. Now whenever He may be saying that all is subject, it is evident that it is outside of Him Who subjects all to Him. 28 Now, whenever all may be subjected to Him, then the Son Himself also shall be subjected to Him Who subjects all to Him, that God may be All in all.) Also hell is a mistranslation, the three words translated hell are the Hebrew word sheol, along with the greek words gehenna and tartarus, all different meanings none of which are eternal torment. Sheol (hades in the greek) means the "abode of the dead" scripture tells us "the dead know nothing" sheol is described as sleep "nothingness" this is the resting place of all that passed, belivers and non believers until the snatching away ("rapture" for the body of Christ), then the great white throne, then later God becomes all in all. Gehenna (valley of hinnom) is a valley outside of Jerusalem where they would burn sewage and dead bodies (this was the word jesus used anytime they translated him saying hell in the bible, this was Christ talking to the israelites regarding their gospel while he was here on earth before he was glorified and revealed his salvation gospel to Paul on the road to Damascus, the fires of Gehenna will be used again during the millennium kingdom). Tartarus is where the devil the beast and the false prophet are tormented for 1,000 years during the millennium kingdom, there is no mention of humans being eternally tormented in a properly translated scripture.

The people I said this type of argument to said that they aren't dead if they are deleted therefore death is defeated as long as the person leaves existence to the point that even any memory of them is also deleted or something. Weird counterargument. Don't buy it.

Wrong: "For to be carnally minded is death". You are comitting the fallacy of defining death in your terms, this is type of idolatry. Also "Christ has abolished death" and "the last enemy to be Katargeo is death", the word Katargeo is to release completely as in"if her husband dies, she is Katargeo(released) from the Law". "Just as by the disobedince of one death came TO ALL, SO ALSO, by the obedience of one THE FREEGIFT OF LIFE CAME TO ALL" Rom5:18 If you profess Christ has not abolished death you are a heretic, to be honest.

"ALL SHALL BE MADE ALIVE" 1COR 15 WHERE THE HELL IS YOUR REASONING???

Destruction it is. Not heaven nor hell. Life vs destruction. From Gen 2 to Revelation 20. Life vs Death.

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nobody asked god to force them into existence, into a sinful body, into a sinful world, into a world with trillion IQ non human entities with the only hobby to make people sin. if universalism is not true, then, satan is right about god.

Wonderful mercy=torturing almost everyone ever born forever😂 unimaginable evil=wonderful mercy

@@juicedgoose well said. it would be the most demonic deed ever done making even Hitler look like a saint by comparison. Nothing ever done under the sun could ever come even close to matching the utter evil of it.

@@juicedgoose God does not owe mercy to anyone. Anyone who receives mercy from God gets it as a free gift. "For by grace you have been saved through faith. And this is not your own doing; it is the gift of God, not a result of works, so that no one may boast." Ephesians 2:8-9

Romans 5? 1 Cor 15:20-24? 1 Tim 4:10? Colossians 1:19-20? Unbiblical can mean a lot of things, there are ideas in the Bible that are “unbiblical” like polygamy. I’m assuming you meant “the idea cannot be deduced from scripture” which is simply untrue. Whether you place emphasis on proof texts, general themes, philosophy, or church history universalism checks all of these boxes. Stating that something is unbiblical will not stop people from finding out that it is.

@@jake_marlowuniversalism is unbiblical.

Satan’s greatest lie is universal reconciliation which will send billions to the lake of fire 🔥

Cool opinion bro. Eternal conscious torment is unbiblical. Its unloving. Its anti-logic. Anti-Logos. Anti-Christ.

@@Landis_Grantyeah Satan is tricking a bunch of us into praying for the world, spreading the kingdom of God, and believing King Jesus will ultimately defeat Satan and rescue all under his sway! Yeah!! Satan really tricked us on this one 😅😂 Quick! Go scare and shame more people into following Jesus. It’s the only way to save them!!!