It so totally fits that it was not a shock at all. Having read the books, I was looking for hints. I found the slaves to be at least very androgynous, quite fitting even though they were not exactly true to the book.

I saw nothing sexual in it, but Austin went all out with his role immersion in a sadistic creep that Feyd-Rautha was. I'd say it was a ritual a psychopath would invent on a whim, rather than a sign of affection.

It fit the character and the situation. Butler was great in his role and so was everybody else. Did anybody else find a similarity between Javier Bardem's role and Willem Dafoe's in Finding Nemo?

I dunno, you didn't actually show it

Dune is the best movie that has been done right Thankyou

Oh man! SNAP. 😂

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free palestine

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Nice 😉

the emperor’s kiss probably was though lol. he loved feyd in multiple ways

Well... normally I'd agree, but the Baron has a thing for teenage boys

I could see that but Feyd is molested by his uncle who loves twinks and incest

bro what, is this in the books?@@colbyboucher6391

The kiss, which is initiated by Vladdy first (funny how all the media sources don't mention that), seems to me fueled by a mixture of lust, pride (for his nephew), and political blessing, because I sure can't imagine him doing the same to the far less talented Rabban. As for F.R.'s immediate counter kiss, it feels completely devoid of any sexual connotations and only a mean to demonstrate his mental fitness for governorship. Butler's snake-like visage and 4th wall stare into the camera are so good!

If memory serves me right, he's a spitting image of his uncle at that age, before the Baron was disfigured by the Reverend Mother for raping her.

Bro he sounds like some american cowboy at times

@@carlosandleon Not even close to cowboys.

I believe he said in interviews and behind-the-scenes that he spent a lot of time specifically studying Stellan Skarskard's portrayal of the Baron, and making an intentional effort to change his voice to emulate him - especially after Elvis he knew the voice would be important in separating him from that role (he did a phenomenal job obviously) - his portrayal was pitch perfect 👌

@@greenglade47 problem is, he still sounds like elvis in many scenes here

Yeah, the Baron is constantly referring to Feyd as "my darling". I always interpreted it as a shout-out to various campy 20th century villains who would call everybody "my dahhhh-ling"

I've read the book. I don't remeber Feyd ever reciprocating any such thing. I remeber Baron viewing Feyd as his prize, his true heir since he himself would have no children, proud of Feyd. But I don't recall what you're talking about.

​@@sollertiskhan3254 it's there. Not a lot of time is spent on it though. It's implied like twice.

@@sollertiskhan3254 The Baron was homosexual in the book.

​@@workingmamma5342 I know that. I didn't know he had any advances on Feyd, and certainly don't think Feyd every reciprocated. But I'm wrong, its implied twice apparently.

He can play as the Riddler.

I would love him as Victor Zsasz

can we move from superhero movies?

@@Guillhez nope. :)

Slow down he is not ready to play comic book characters thats way too serious

I don't know about the book lore but the readers had confirmed the Baron does feel something inappropriate towards Feyd and the nephew seems to reciprocate at the least, so the kiss is naturally part of his character setting albeit impromptu.

I was thinking the same thing a harkonnen culture or political move (meaning we're united) or both...

It's somewhat part of their culture, but it goes further with Baron and Feyd in the books.

Im from europe, germany specifically and its not normal here, i think its mre the southern countries

​@@spacecadetred2388 any sign of affection is banned by law in the Teutonic countries

The baron predatory, incestuous "homosexuality" was something that didn't quite sit well with me, on a personal level... but i understood why it was there. It was to show how "bored" he was, he came from a privileged family, one the valued personal pleasure, even on the cost of their own family members, his life until that point must have give the word "depravity" a whole new meaning, at a point like that... what could give him pleasure again? Simple sex must not be pleasurable anymore, nor rape, not even torturing people (that he clearly doesnt see as people), so... why no the next best thing, the only true people around him... his own family. Like you said, in the movie it is more subtle, it isnt said... but you can see in his eyes, the hunger, the desire.

@@Alacaelum Yep. The p3d0/incest vibes are there. It can´t be explicite because it´s a PG13 movie, not a f-ing p0rn from dark web, but you can tell. It also explains Feyd´s psychotic behavior. Se*ual abuse, or abuse in general, is an origin story of many serial killers irl.

@@AlacaelumIt's not just about that, but that pederasty aspect makes it easier to control the younger male. I'm sure the Baron was sexually abused as well by his predecessor.

​@@Alacaelum You forget the political angle. The Harkonnen depravity is also meant to intimidate others. People were scared shitless if the Harkonnen caught them alive. Plus, the Harkonnen pension for wantoness and depravity could also explain why Lady Jessica betrayed the Bene Gesserit order to have a daughter. That little depravity she had in her blood was enough to disobey.

@@energyfitness5116 It isnt much that i forgot, just that i was focusing in the personal level. I can totally see a time when the Harkonnen started being "depraved" only as a scare tactic, but as time passed and the unilateral control and privilege they have start to sink in their minds, they started to take more pleasure from such control. Everyone in this story thinks to be or wants to be the "perfect human", and every single one of them are just pathetic excuses of people, some understandably so others by their own actions. On your point about Jessica... i agree, she loved Leto, she wanted to give him a son and that she did, and that happened because the Bene Gesserit were so caught in their own plan and ideology that they forgot, or better said despised, the individuality of being human, and Jessica was the middle finger of destiny to them and their stupid plan.

Zendaya sucked tho. She acts like a 17 year old american girl in a sci fi epic. It was out of palce. Very bad casting.

Yeah, maybe not Zendaya though. She has moments but isn't consistent enough yet. In anything she's in really.

@@wreccen Seriously have to disagree there. Just got out of the cinema from watching part 2 - and a very easy 9.5/10 - that film was fucking awesome. I really can't see the criticism that everyone is giving Zendaya - I thought she done very well, but Timmy Chalamet and Austin - fucking hell, hats off to you two for your performance's - fucking awesome the two of you. As said, literally got out of the cinema within the last hour - AND I AM ALREADY ITCHING TO SEE A PART 3. Also, Dave Bautista - again another excellent performance, from what he was in the first film, to the first half of this, and how he ended up at the end - fucking awesome, all the cast involved sold this film, and the props and CGI - I would give it 10/10 - just the fact that nothing can be perfect - yet there was not a single thing I disliked in the film, nothing. so maybe a 9.9/10 then. edit - actually I have just thought of 1 thing I disliked - at the end - PAUL didn't slit the emperors throat, and the reverend mothers - both were responsible for the slaughter of your entire house, nothing but there blood on his blade should of been enough. Abd the daughter, if you will not be willing bride, then you die with your father. No mercy was shown to the house, NO MERCY should of been given in return. That is pretty much my only issue with the entire film.

​@@wreccen pretty sure that's just how Channi is supposed to act, it's got nothing to do with how Zendaya chose to portray the character. (Also, you have to remember that Channi is around the same age as Paul, putting her anywhere between 13 and 17, to Paul's 15, so the brash actions and emotional instability is to be expected)

@@rianmacdonald9454 Zendaya's Chani was the absolute worst version of a Mary Sue there is. No love for Paul; every time you see her she has this "bitter lemon face", "eye roll" "I guess I have to show the boys how to do something" attitude. I never expected her to be a wallflower, but good Lord her Chani was an awful character.

_Unfortunately_ the Baron has a thing for pederasty and it's implied that he's got something going with Feyd. The book uses every opportunity to go "yeah this guy's greedy".

This is how it seemed to me also.

Yep, only books readers would get a spine tingle seeing that. Knowing how the Baron is….

I thought it was a bit of a nod to the Hollywood casting couch. Give me power and glory. I give you sex.

Good!

dope

Some people say he's gonna stop working on Dune after that, I hope not and he just takes a break to eventually work on it again.

I've read that he wants to take a break to clear his mind before starting working on part 3. Where did you saw that ? If i remember well, he even wants to do another movie in between

@@fabgg_ Everyone else has read the opposite, lol. I heard he already finished the script for part 3. However, he also plans to be done with the franchise after that.

Not at all. Sting did a much better job in the original.

1. Chalamet - he gave me goosebumps after drinking that water of life. His acting in this movie is moving and brilliant. He send me to the edge of my seat my watching Dune in theater. 2. Austin - came out like the real Feyd-Rautha person that Frank saw and then write him into the novel. His acting is so stunning and beautifully done - you can never think that this actor is the same actor who plays Elvis in the movie with the same name. 3. Rebecca - the facial expressions, just wow. 4. Stellan and Javier, tied on fourth 5. Dave Batista - he did the right acting beautifully portraying a proud person and suddenly humiliated and lost. The rest of the actors done their part stunningly right. I felt in love with all of them

1- *Austin* so so good, magnetic and electric every time he was on screen my eyes were GLUED to him. And his quiet, silent moments spoke so much! When he was pacing the throne room, analyzing everything around him, just... so satisfying. The voice change? The expressions every time the camera focused on him? He was on a mission and he nailed this 100%! I knew he could pull off a villain bc of "once upon a time in Hollywood" but i was NOT prepared for the level of his performance, the commitment for this role. Needed more than 23 minutes of screen time. 2- *Rebecca* on my second watch i realized how good she was, the control over her voice, her lines delivery, her aura and eyes' expressions. She absolutely nailed it. I'm really interested in watching more of her stuff. She's amazing. 3- *Timothee* i feel like his acting on the first part was a bit muted, i enjoyed him more in the second part of the movie. But some lines delivery felt a bit weird, i don't know how to explain it but there's two times where he yells out of nowhere and i felt them too forced? But he was great in the last 30, 40 minutes. He managed to have a different aura, was really good. // *Javier* on my second watch i definitely liked him more, although the comedic parts felt a bit umm... forced. Like they didn't fit in the whole mood of the movie? I'm not saying they were marvel-level comedic relief, that's tiring. At least it wasn't that. But i still felt it was too much at certain times. He did really good, enjoyed his performance, and he really nailed the part. // *Zendaya* - like Timothee, i enjoyed her way more on the second part of the movie, the micro-expressions during some scenes in the last 20 minutes of the movie, great acting (when Paul says he's gonna marry Irulan, her expressions!!! nailed those). But i don't know, the part where she delivers all the lines along "here women and men are equal" etc, the way she delivered all that dialogue, felt a bit different from her character throughout the movie. It felt off to me. But maybe that's me. Still think she was amazing at some parts. All the other characters were great but didn't leave a lasting impression on me.

The desert mouse was a standout performance.

Austin.

javier bardem was annoying in the second part. He was good in the first part though. That goes for the movie as a whole. Part2 wasnt very good in my opinion..

Damn you beat me to it

IIRC, the Baron even fanned the flames, thus making Rabban act even more barbaric. The whole idea was to presend Feyd Rautha sort of as a saviour that'll get rid of Rabban.

Right and exact. Directors always poking their noses where they don't belong.

The baron underestimated Rabban. Twice the Baron "'corrected" Rabban, only later was it clear that he had been right all along. The Baron wanted Feyd to become emporer, and used Rabban to clear the way to make that happen.

David lynch's feyd looked the most charismatic of all the film harkonnens. Not gonna say it was an amazing performance but he actually looked like a playboy as described by the baron

Maybe not charismatic, but he did have an air of leader who isn't questioned.

Probably underused and shouldve been made more physically menacing. He only 'just' beat the imprisoned Atreides doctor.

I think nailed the character is wrong. I think he fully expanded the character further. Feyd wasn’t nearly as viscerally impacting in the book as he was in the movie. He hit the role out of the park

Good point, yeah!

Confirmed in the sense that he's working on a script, at least.

Prometheus happened in between.

It could never be done well. Too many compromises would have to be made on the story to get funding.

The butlerian jihad was not against AI, it was against those in control of AI, and against the rising dependency on technology. We are currently drifting right into it. We are totally dependent on technology, and when AI becomes better, we will end up like this, with no magical space dust to save us.

Adult beefswelling, slimy jelly exoskeletons, friends of the stomach (they both like yogurt), strangely phallic worm men, we've got it all!

it means he understood the character 100%

that's actually funny you say so, because Austin is rumoured to be in talks of doing heat 2's val kilmers character... who was the one being Jim in that one movie. There are definitely big similarities between val kilmer and austin. But I'm not sure he would go for another biopic but still i know he'd nail it.

@@strayfreckles oh, maybe that's why I've seen him training with guns. It's for HEAT.

Look up who played Ray Manzarek in the doors movie

they really weren't though Feyd had at most 7-10 pages, theres his fight when Fenring and his wife watch him and plan Margot's seduction of Feyd, there's the plot between Feyd and Thuffir to kill the baron with a pleasure slave and the Baron calls him out on it, there is the scene where the Baron has Piter explain the plot to destroy the Atreides and then there is the final scene on Arakis where Feyd and Paul fight . that all happens in sections that are at most 2 pages each

we were robbed... he was too good

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lol the name is a meme now? I'll join then. Kiwisack Teserract.

That’s exactly what I thought 😮

The thing is, Children of Dune is basically setup for God-Emperor. Leaving the story with Paul wandering off into the desert, fully understanding how badly he's screwed things, seems like the best choice.

@@colbyboucher6391 true but it may be played out as the ending as well. Maybe some look into the future that we're ending those movies with the God-Emperor taking over. We'll see what are they going to do with Paul's jihad because from movie perspective it's a similar situation. The difference is that in Childer we still have same characters and the story continues. And if we end with Paul leaving for desert we'll be left wondering what will happen with Alia etc. Also in that book we learn what Paul could do but didn't with Leto II doing it. After the 3rd book the only characters known from previous books in God-Emperor are the God-Emperor and Duncan. The rest is long dead. Well Duncan is also kinda dead.

@@xFurashux Oh zombie Duncan... I still wonder what Herbert was thinking. Did he think people wanted Duncan back? Was he just that attached to the character?

@@colbyboucher6391 I think he was supposed to be a last reminder for Leto about his house.

I thought so too until I looked up the cast

Without the douchebag element

Isn't it the Bene Tleilax who do that??

@@Sk4Madhi_.RangeroftheNorth Yes,yes, it is. Ix and Richese are the mechanical. Tleilaxu are the biological engineers.

As I finished reading it I definetly didn't feel like there could be some continuation to the story or that there were things that needed clering up. I knew there are sequels but the original felt self sustained. Although now that i think about it, I felt a bit weird about how harry potter series ended, when in fact both have such an abrupt ending. Interesting.

We should be happy we are getting Dune Messiah (another 3 hours.) Denis confirmed he is doing 3 and out….the studio at this rate may just get another for the next 3. 🤞

​@@specialk3357it'd be cool if, since 3 will cover Messiah which effectively makes the trilogy Paul's story, they do another trilogy centered around Leto as the protagonist that cover children and god emperor of dune

She said "he´s psychotic".

@@mousemetal1679 Ah! Ok! That’s not what I remember but I could very well be remembering wrong.

@@Tamizushi i went to see it twice and you both are right, when they first name Feyd, Irulan says "he's psychotic". Later on, Lady Margot describes him as a "highly intelligent sociopath" ;)

@@strayfreckles Thanks for the clarification. :)

Denis said he’s done after the 3rd. He’s ready to move on to other projects sadly.

I took it as a nod to how the Baron is described in the book - a gay pedophile.

May I ask, it just so happened that after reading the original Dune, I wanted to read the rest of the books at least from Frank if not all of them. But by accident, I got gifted book 2 and 3 of the Caladan trilogy instead of book 2 and 3 of the original series. I definetly plan to read original series first. But after that, is it fine to "start" with the caladan trilogy (from the first book of course) as my first Brian books? Because they are pretty much the most recent ones so there are many books that came out prior.

@@esajpsasipes2822 Yes. The Caladan trilogy is set in the preceding decades leading up to Dune. The Butlerian Jihad trilogy takes place thousands of years before that. That's actually the way I read them myself, because the Caladan trilogy showed up in the book section in the store, and I didn't even know there were any prequels, and I was very interested in the story, so got them then and there are started reading. When I was in the middle of the first book, I was looking up more information online and learned about the Butlerian Jihad trilogy, so I bought those online, and read that trilogy after I finished reading the Caladan trilogy.

@@esajpsasipes2822 Well, I just realized I messed up. There is a "Caladan trilogy" of prequel novels that I didn't even know about. What I was referring to in my previous post, that I read a few years ago, is the prequel trilogy called the "Prelude to Dune" trilogy, consisting of the novels "Dune: House Atreides," "Dune: House Harkonnen," and "Dune: House Corrino." I just now learned about is what you were actually referring to by the "Caladan trilogy" - books I didn't know about - "Dune: The Duke of Caladan," "Dune: The Lady of Caladan," and "Dune: The Heir of Caladan." I didn't know those existed. Now I'll have to get those and read them. Thanks for cuing me up on them.

From my research, there are like 23 Dune books. They are grouped up into several groups - original series, prelude to dune, legends of dune (with the butlerian jihad), heroes of dune, great schools of dune, the caladan trilogy, and the two sequel novels. Then there are also a bunch of shorter stories ig. Well, i doubt you will remember a random comment on youtube, but after you read the Caladan trilogy, please tell me if you think it is fine to read it right after the original series or if it relies on too much info from the other Brian books. It will be some time until i finish the original series anyways. Maybe i will find this info somewhere else ig.

How old are you?

Well, the Baron was always Bisexual. I don't really feel like they "de-gayed" him, rather than just made him less of a stereotype. The video said all of his concubines were women, but to me, they were completely androgynous, which I thought fit well. Like they were engineered specifically for that purpose and nothing else. Plus, the whole "queer coded character is a pedo" trope is pretty harmful in this day and age. I'm glad they made it more subtle.

​@@dyslexiccowoom3991 Fair point. I personally saw his affection towards younger individuals as another representation of his depravity. To be honest I don't remember his portrayal in the old film and the miniseries to be overtly "stereotypical" something I may of course misremember. I always saw it as a part of his character, you know? Its the logic of "Vile human nature is vile human nature regardless of their sexual preference." I would genuinely love to see maybe a villain who happens to be an absolute monster while also having a taste for both sexes, just to hammer the aforementioned point home. Plus today many members of the LGBT are receiving a lot of good representation, but curiously not when it comes to villainy. Or the film could also very easily add a few positive LGBT characters to ensure the Baron isn't the only one there.

He doesn't. Now, as an avatar of the child's madness? yes.

If you don't consider possessing Alia a major part...