One Of The Craziest BATB Games Of All Time | P-Rod Vs. PJ Ladd
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3 жыл бұрынPJ Ladd is the only skater in Battle At The Berrics history with back-to-back wins. This BATB 6 Finals match against Paul Rodriguez-another flatground champ-brought the house down: As the first BATB Finals Night held in our current, much bigger, location the crowd was triple the size of past Championship Battles; these guys know how to perform under pressure.
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@berrics 3 жыл бұрын
What is your favorite BATB moment of all time? 👇
@madelinee.a.terramorte7510 3 жыл бұрын
probably 6:33
@slava-zagriichuk 3 жыл бұрын
Luan Oliviera vs Chris Joslin in the final, it was great!
@keysersoze7919 3 жыл бұрын
any time Luan kickflips
@Wladislav 3 жыл бұрын
Any Legion of Doom match.
@iStranGeCodi7 3 жыл бұрын
Any mike mo battle
@thezbreer454 3 жыл бұрын
Jimmy Carlin taking off his pants after P-Rods fakie 540 flip is almost as legendary as the battle itself lol
@agarciabc 3 жыл бұрын
That memory lives in my head rent free ♥️
@PaulTaitful 3 жыл бұрын
He was getting hot n heavy through out the battle lmao. Just eyeing the cam up 😂
@user-st9op9lx6i 3 жыл бұрын
6:30
@Nobodyimportant696 3 жыл бұрын
what happened to Carlin after Enjoi?
@Sloth131987 3 жыл бұрын
@@Nobodyimportant696 srsly, i haven't heard his name in ages
@richardw3513 3 жыл бұрын
Thanks Steve Berra for letting me read the rules in the final and for giving me the chance to travel to LA, un sueño cumplido :) hugs from Spain!
@pillo17 3 жыл бұрын
Grande!
@poetsrear 3 жыл бұрын
Thanks Jesus! 😁
@adamlangdon2245 3 жыл бұрын
Thanks L Ron Hubbard or that alien thing that Berra and the Hollywierd Scientology freaks worship 🤣🤣🤣
@GlitchedProxy 3 жыл бұрын
How did you get the opportunity to come out to the berrics, very cool that you had the chance to do this!
@Themorepower 3 жыл бұрын
😎🙏
@ste11ar 3 жыл бұрын
"Finally, a worthy opponent. Our battle will be legendary."
@wbtbwb18 3 жыл бұрын
pj ladd vs moose is better
@Filthyheartz 3 жыл бұрын
Pj got bailed out by the ref the whole game
@jakethesolomon 3 жыл бұрын
I watched Kung fu panda yesterday
@songoku8627 3 жыл бұрын
@@Filthyheartz He was lenient for both in a fair manner that made this match more exciting. Stricter on offensive person less for the person copying only really making it a redo if it was terrible or a clear miss
@harrisonmills8569 3 жыл бұрын
If you ask me this is THE best battle of all time. It's got it all. The crowd was just the right size and super hyped, the battle itself was insane, and Jimmy Carlin trippin balls 👌
@stabyourcat 3 жыл бұрын
Agree 100%.
@brianpeterson9739 3 жыл бұрын
@@ashleybrown4754 The one with luan oliviera and chris joslin was right up there too. Also the one with Luan and cepeda where cody didnt miss a trick.
@iamkazaam 2 жыл бұрын
Yup!!
@vperkv6554 2 жыл бұрын
The joslin and sewa was one of best also.
@felixbruno7937 2 жыл бұрын
This was the best due to the hype-the crowd, the pants coming off 🤣.
@KingaGorski 3 жыл бұрын
They’re both absolutely unreal. Crazy to be able to have all those tricks in the bag!!!
@MrEmbew 3 жыл бұрын
Wondering how long they've been skateboarding
@gummybearvitamins1211 3 жыл бұрын
@@MrEmbew they were born on a skateboard
@mr.kwamid-86_43 3 жыл бұрын
Not gonna lie, most of the tricks looked the same to me 😅
@shambles416 2 жыл бұрын
@@mr.kwamid-86_43 To the untrained eye of course
@mr.kwamid-86_43 2 жыл бұрын
@@shambles416 yeah, I'm still new to it all.
@lazarus2249 3 жыл бұрын
When Prod landed that fakie 540 flip I screamed loud as hell in my apartment lol.
@christiangerster7089 2 жыл бұрын
Koston taking a phone call during the final trick is legendary lmao
@mr.borpaspin2658 Жыл бұрын
"he's fucked"
@jayjaytornea7132 3 жыл бұрын
Jimmy Carlin taking his pants off? yeah its one of the greatest battle ever
@kenkenpescador1421 3 жыл бұрын
yeah this battle hype me up on flat ground hahaha
@jayjaytornea7132 3 жыл бұрын
@@kenkenpescador1421 Keeeeeeeeeeeen hahahahahahahahaha!!!!
@pemudabandel6445 3 жыл бұрын
😂👖
@henriqueflorsheim 3 жыл бұрын
Luan vs Joslin beat that
@pauldavies8020 2 жыл бұрын
@@henriqueflorsheim That Luan-Joslin battle is probably my favorite too. It has everything including Luan popping everything ridiculous level-fast and huge.
@ThePauseMenuVlog 3 жыл бұрын
When the rules are in a different language but you still know them by heart
@ricardosch1 3 жыл бұрын
I was freaking out at the beginning like "why do I understands this so well?"
@chachmcgrach2053 2 жыл бұрын
Question hoping someone sees it.... That last trick halfcab inward heel. WAS that a fakie 360 inward heel with a body varial?
@ThePauseMenuVlog 2 жыл бұрын
@@chachmcgrach2053 you know what, because of your comment I went back and looked at it and this is a halfcab 360 inward heel. It's not a body varial but that is definitely not a normal inward heel
@chachmcgrach2053 2 жыл бұрын
@@ThePauseMenuVlog I actually think the body varial cut the inward from a 360 to a normal. Like a varial kickflip. You throw a body varial in there now you have a backside kickflip. Whole different trick same flip
@ThePauseMenuVlog 2 жыл бұрын
@@chachmcgrach2053 that's why naming trcks is so damn difficult. I see where you're going with that explanation
@patrickhanlon932 3 жыл бұрын
An Altamont t-shirt and a Jimmy Carlin sighting. Oh, how the times change.
@JakeMCGreen 3 жыл бұрын
For real
@Goth.. 3 жыл бұрын
Imma cry
@FriedEra 3 жыл бұрын
Saw an Altamont shirt at Ross last week and instantly had flashbacks.
@ShroomSkateboarding 3 жыл бұрын
Altamont cap also! Rare sighting man. I still got loads of Altamont gear that I love ahah
@quickman1047 3 жыл бұрын
He’s a middle school teacher now
@Gavinzev 3 жыл бұрын
This is hands down my favorite Batb ever! This era in skating was so good I swear it feels like it won’t ever be this dope again
@that150_ 3 жыл бұрын
Definitely one for the books. Still remember watching this shit like it was yesterday. Crazy how fast time flies
@Rob-cy5xj 3 жыл бұрын
The intensity of their tricks, the pure level of the tricks and the insane amount of special flips with 540's was just perfect, one of the best game of skates ever to be played I think.
@nathanponchaux1096 6 ай бұрын
let's debate
@andym0rand02 3 жыл бұрын
The skate culture will forever be in my heart. Love this stuff
@Fianicus 3 жыл бұрын
7:46 Reda woulda probably gotten cancelled if he did this in 2021 lmao
@BlueJin503 3 жыл бұрын
Right?!? Fuckin clown
@noahreed2078 3 жыл бұрын
@@BlueJin503 ur cancelled, u offended clowns
@Jordi_Llopis_i_Torregrosa96 3 жыл бұрын
@@BlueJin503 lol you don't get his point, it's that people have become such fragile creatures now, such as yourself, everything is racist or ultimately offensive, I still remember when different races would make fun of each other and themselves too and nobody would be bothered
@MmmBurger69 3 жыл бұрын
Goosebumps watching that, how good to be skating infront of such a rad crowd the hype is amazing
@itsjorgieeSF 2 жыл бұрын
The energy in that room was legendary! 🥇🇺🇸 both are amazing!
@luisg1653 3 жыл бұрын
7:20 Koston, I don't care who was calling you, no phone call was important enough to walk away at that moment.
@quickman1047 3 жыл бұрын
He was calling the guy with the trophy cuz he was pretty sure P Rod wouldn’t make the trick
@stevennorthcut9860 3 жыл бұрын
Everytime i see a P Rod vid. Gotta show that 818 love. Back in the day skating behind this vons. This other dude & his friend were there skating with us. Dude was just cruising killing this ledge 1st try on everything. When he left one of the younger skaters was like ya that was PJ ladd. So awesome to see them bolth skate in person
@CarlosGonzalez-fk6sl 3 жыл бұрын
My two favorite skaters ever, but I fell in love with PJ Ladd in his horrible wonderful life, the best skate video of all time !!
@gonzalocrisosto3282 3 жыл бұрын
The trick selection was crazy, and P-Rod holding on till the end
@normanleemansueto5711 Жыл бұрын
It's only PJ Ladd who won The Berrics twice ( BATB 5 and 6 ). Legendary!
@joaozanatta4542 8 ай бұрын
Not anymore
@user-nr9jt3bg6b 4 ай бұрын
Who the other one?@@joaozanatta4542
@johndonovan2357 3 жыл бұрын
Damn altamont had the freshest shirts. Miss these days
@JimmyxBonez 3 жыл бұрын
We need Chris Haslam and Daewon Song for a BATB before the world ends. Probably one of the most technical match ups EVER!
@atomdecay 7 ай бұрын
Dude can you even imagine They should have Rodney ref it too
@JimmyxBonez 7 ай бұрын
@@atomdecay OMG!!!!! YESSSS!!!!
@stabyourcat 3 жыл бұрын
Nothing better when someone pulls off something crazy, and the opponent just stomps it in rebuttal. Happens like 6 times in this game. Top shelf.
@VQ.Family 3 жыл бұрын
I remember watching this for the first time. The crowds reaction to p rods fakie 540 flip was awesome
@nickcrawford4953 3 жыл бұрын
I can’t even imagine being this good
@XavierPWNED 3 жыл бұрын
So many memories. Thanks for all your guys have done all these years.
@papouplay4183 3 жыл бұрын
Wow I forgot how I loved skateboarding younger. Thank you for the sharing
@Tropicool 3 жыл бұрын
PJ Ladd was always in the Finals. Underrated IMO
@DawnOfThaDusk 3 жыл бұрын
He’s not underrated one bit. He also won two of them.
@thefabulous4 3 жыл бұрын
underrated? Please...He is the best ever in flat ground
@owievisie 3 жыл бұрын
PJ is literally a legand😂
@fallen4life080 3 жыл бұрын
@@thefabulous4 Dude.....PJ is a LEGEND. that's not underrated. Pj could go ahead and stop skating now cause he's cemented himself as one of skateboard history's best.
@TheSheptys 3 жыл бұрын
I hope this is a sarcastic comment haha
@dngrouscrgo 3 жыл бұрын
7:19 imagine going off to take a phone call at a moment that iconic
@Osiris3657 3 жыл бұрын
Need a new BATB, ASAP!
@berrics 3 жыл бұрын
Coming soon 👀
@iscrivitiaquestocanalesenn523 3 жыл бұрын
@@berrics jacopo Carozzi
@demian1173 3 жыл бұрын
@@berrics bring pj back plz
@salhellagiggz6450 2 жыл бұрын
I feel there’s some stuff PJ did that passed when it shouldn’t have 🤔 I think they’re both amazing flat ground skaters but idk about a few of those they let him slide with.
@humanbean3 2 жыл бұрын
all good fun but yeah ive seen like 4 plain toe saves. i just hope paul was thinking all good fun as well. idk. also making paul redo on a good landing :/
@averyavenue 2 жыл бұрын
Def agree
@TheVeregat 2 жыл бұрын
Well you weren't the ref were ya
@micshaz 2 жыл бұрын
doesn't seem that bad, PJ loses his turn to a redo, most of his drags are on defense (bigger margin for error) and even P Rod drags the toe a little on his nollie heel on offense and doesn't have to redo it.
@cshepard09 2 жыл бұрын
re-watch the video and look at how long PJ was on defense. the calls were great considering that
@Ze-lt2vs 2 жыл бұрын
A legendary battle indeed.
@Bob-ir4lr 3 жыл бұрын
Please post more of these, this was such a good trip down memory lane
@nick-_-368 3 жыл бұрын
4:52 P Rod's FS Cab heelflip is a banger I had to rewatch a couple times.
@anggitamna 3 жыл бұрын
Jimmy is so funny.. please bring Jimmy Carlin and Cory Kennedy for the next BATB
@Bob-ir4lr 3 жыл бұрын
Coreys in jail for murder
@colebach4217 3 жыл бұрын
Manslaughter, and he out. Bless up
@Skatox 3 жыл бұрын
@@Bob-ir4lr he recently got out. There’s a video of him skating after jail
@thmikeyway3007 3 жыл бұрын
When the two best students in class get different answers
@Zenpond 3 жыл бұрын
I can’t wait to show my son and son’s son how good of a game this was I remember watching it for the first time and died when PJ landed every trick that got him in the first matchup
@philipbrazill2155 3 жыл бұрын
That was insane!! Those guys were doing really complex tricks. Also i liked how you put the trick names on the screen. It was nice to see what trucks they were doing
@floodskates Жыл бұрын
So wild how they were both on Plan B at the time and literally the compete opposite stance. That equals such a legendary match that there will be none as good since then or after 🔥🔥 literally the definition of Goofy Vs Regular back then 😍
@Menerbread 3 жыл бұрын
The best battles were: PJ Ladd vs Paul Rodriguez, Chris Chann vs Chris Cole, Luan Oliveira vs Cody Cepeda and Luan Oliveira vs Chris Joslin
@chillinchillin8444 3 жыл бұрын
Dont forget pj ladd vs moose!!
@backbrunson2039 3 жыл бұрын
Feel old af saying this but don’t forget that before all those battles, Chris cole vs p rod in batb 2 was the undisputed classic
@chillinchillin8444 3 жыл бұрын
@@backbrunson2039 for sure! Backside 360 flip sealed the deal!
@An-be1lm 2 жыл бұрын
Sewa vs luan should be there too
@paulepling 2 жыл бұрын
@@backbrunson2039 and Steve Berra 's
@lukasberg7155 3 жыл бұрын
Still remember seeing PJ Ladds Wonderful Horrible Life for the first time. Blew my mind then and it still does.
@KungFooFighter 2 жыл бұрын
Berra helping PJ win with those calls especially in the beginning
@iluvBulma 10 ай бұрын
no kidding he got a redo when he shouldn't have tbh
@atomdecay 7 ай бұрын
Yeah dude nothin but toe drags
@patrickhanlon932 3 жыл бұрын
3:25 "nollie halfcab"
@itstheonlypeni7622 3 жыл бұрын
yes that is correct
@TheAlibabatree 3 жыл бұрын
@@itstheonlypeni7622 No such thing as a nollie halfcab
@MrEmbew 3 жыл бұрын
@@TheAlibabatree it should be without the nollie right
@TheAlibabatree 3 жыл бұрын
@@MrEmbew “halfcab” literally means fakie 180. So if someone says nollie halfcab, they are saying “nollie fakie 180”.
@hestia165 3 жыл бұрын
@@TheAlibabatree so in your opinion how should you call a half cab-something where there is nollie instead of fakie?
@patrickhanlon932 3 жыл бұрын
This was seriously, like, the god of air and the god of water, in human form, doing battle.
@clublulu399 3 жыл бұрын
This was one of the craziest if not the craziest BATB I’ve seen. The hype was felt through the screen.
@oldtobyco9601 3 жыл бұрын
Koston just taking a quick phone call during the final trick lmao
@Skrapback 3 жыл бұрын
PJ is living legend!! 👑
@danielcardonalopez9874 11 ай бұрын
Pj put so many times his feet on the ground bruh, the real winner was PROD😉
@garrywhite13371337 3 жыл бұрын
Isn't it funny how in every game of SKATE we always start with the kickflip tricks as a warm up and to get them out of the way before doing any other tricks XD How epic would it be to see someone start a game of SKATE with their best tricks lolol end the game in 5 tries!
@jessedz3220 3 жыл бұрын
This will forever be my favorite battle two legends💯
@grydient3936 3 жыл бұрын
The energy is next level in this, and miss the BATB! When is the next one???
@adrian9518 3 жыл бұрын
Minuto 7:20, me sigo preguntando qué llamada pudo ser tan importante para Eric Koston para tener que irse justo en el último intento de P Rod 😢
@milan9616 Жыл бұрын
Sabía que lo fallaría y preparo la premiación 🤟😀🙌
@IsaiasMGPalafox 3 жыл бұрын
That guy at 3:45 was feeling too good. 🤦🏻♂️😭
@the_keystone_kid 3 жыл бұрын
Jimmy Carlin
@brucola1427 3 жыл бұрын
Berrics, bring back the predictions bets in batb. It made the battles even more exciting!
@DjGlyden2024 2 жыл бұрын
What a great display of insane flat ground.. Props and what a battle...
@TheAsiansk8ter 3 жыл бұрын
PJ is ridiculously versatile. Personally not a fan of his style but he can do so many bloody tricks.
@abe8529 3 жыл бұрын
Can't wait for the next one!!!
@TenThumbsProductions 3 жыл бұрын
And it was for the final too
@notyetskeletal4809 2 жыл бұрын
Such skill I never found in me to try and possess. So impressive. Love the vibe. Still love skateboarding after I've retired from it for 20 years. I stayed hooked on guitar though.
@animlk3 Жыл бұрын
Likewise
@atomdecay 7 ай бұрын
Woah dude same here lol
@DMK_DEANER 3 жыл бұрын
this was my favourite battle so far loved how prod kept coming back😎👌
@Diz_XS 3 жыл бұрын
Having so many super hard tricks on lock is mind blowing 🤯
@MIKEK3NT 3 жыл бұрын
That’s the reason they are pro. They practice until they can’t get it wrong
@MIKEK3NT 3 жыл бұрын
Normal people practice until they get it correct but pro skaters practice until they can do it without thinking twice
@its2sum 3 жыл бұрын
P-Rod should’ve won a while ago, those tail taps from PJ are pivotal lol
@ebsss100 3 жыл бұрын
That's what I'm saying!!
@someoneelse293 3 жыл бұрын
Bigger margin for error on defence
@songoku8627 3 жыл бұрын
@@someoneelse293 Exactly. Just P rod stans saying this. The ref did a good job and the match was great.
@oziel1897 3 жыл бұрын
@@songoku8627 it is but a lot of tricks Pj landed were sketchy and that’s the truth
@songoku8627 3 жыл бұрын
@@oziel1897 it’s been a week, but I’ll give it a rewatch when I’m back from work to give you a more accurate opinion but I’ll hold on responding rn just wanted to acknowledge your response. From what I remember both were great imo
@scottcardona19 3 жыл бұрын
I would of taken my Clothes off as well if Paul landed a 540 flip
@TruthSpeaker3 3 жыл бұрын
Tooo busy these day for anything.. but for this game! Legends
@dumbstupid5065 3 жыл бұрын
When every time one of these old videos goes up and you're like, "yep, I remember that one."
@user-kt1kb7rm7o 3 жыл бұрын
always knew bill hader was a pj fan 7:12
@luisg1653 3 жыл бұрын
Hahahaha i saw that too
@Bravo-Too-Much 3 жыл бұрын
I don’t think anyone even realizes that this video shows the ONLY caballerial 360 flip on flat ground ever recorded.
@ModestMadMan 3 жыл бұрын
4:58
@regster2168 3 жыл бұрын
not true, i did this in skate 3
@craigwardle5638 3 жыл бұрын
PJ Literally does one in a line in his WHL part.
@CrystalVortex 3 жыл бұрын
This trick has been in a ton of games ever since BATB 1, check Mike Mo vs Billy Marks for an early example
@dsrree 3 жыл бұрын
No way is that true. It's a fakie bigflip with a pivot to make it 360, tons of people can do it.
@deciduousdiscipline9592 Жыл бұрын
Good times. Both are legendary. Good stuff
@jadenventura8283 2 жыл бұрын
Best skate battle I’ve ever watched!
@leonardorodriguez9919 3 жыл бұрын
P-ROD is still the smoothes in the game
@screamofitness 3 жыл бұрын
Just realized how many times you let PJ get away with some sketchy landings if it wasnt for that Prod would of had more of a chance.
@lp.shakur 3 жыл бұрын
@@screamofitness yup, projecting but nah on a real note cmon, maybe one was a redo, the others count, it is what it is
@screamofitness 3 жыл бұрын
@@lp.shakur there you go that sounds more realistic 👍....I'm not a fan of either but I felt there could of been redo somewhere especially since ref even looked like he was unsure of counting one of them.
@lp.shakur 3 жыл бұрын
@@screamofitness Ill delete the messages, we skater need to be in union, sorry my guy
@screamofitness 3 жыл бұрын
@@lp.shakur Exactly sounds Good 👍
@amanteheru8572 3 жыл бұрын
That's PJ Ladd lol. As dope as P-rod is, PJ was always just a tad bit more technical. Just a tad bit.
@Bean31600 2 жыл бұрын
That was so sick. My legs were getting tired just watching it and I can only do like 3 of those tricks...in my mind. Damn so sick. Epic.
@PANTHERBURNS 10 ай бұрын
I saw PJ at window ledges do a clean shut out in one turn, finished him w a 360 frontside flip then turned around and did a switch 360 frontside flip.
@hendel4386 3 жыл бұрын
Bring back Johny Giger
@that150_ 3 жыл бұрын
Agreed
@wolfdragon4176 3 жыл бұрын
Johny Giger vs Chris Chan
@lp.shakur 3 жыл бұрын
f off with your lollipop skaters
@George-um2vc 3 жыл бұрын
@@lp.shakur facts
@TheGirlSkateBoardCo 3 жыл бұрын
I miss when Reda was thickkkkk:(
@Johnny_Cash_Flow 3 жыл бұрын
I remember when "PJ Ladd's Wonderful Horrible Life" released and just saying to my friends, "This kid is going to be one of the greatest." Glad to see I was right.
@AnhJynChau 3 жыл бұрын
Funny how kosten walked away with his phone at the last trick😁 its like he would say: this shit is going to be too hot, u need to get me outta here 😂
@TheVertDeChine 11 ай бұрын
Is a halfcab inward heel even a real trick? I mean obviously it is but damn.
@nedtempleton4873 10 ай бұрын
No its not. It's a *Fakie backside bigspin heelflip. The Berrics pervert and abuse the Caballerial and Halfcab terms way too much.
@juanalvarez8824 3 жыл бұрын
Pj landed half his tricks on his TOES and TAIL GTFO! ,P Rod won that shit
@sOleBookwood 2 жыл бұрын
Good god, I can only like a video one time. The guy who kept flirting with the camera and undressing was hilarious.
@dh2890 2 жыл бұрын
I ollied a ten set once. No way would I compare to these broz. Glad to see skateboarding still king
@drewbocop 3 жыл бұрын
This absolutely blows my mind. Some THPS shit. UNREAL and the crowd is amazing, their faces are being melted off. I love their reactions
@shaunbeddoes5147 2 жыл бұрын
Insane. Great footage
@mello-sesh 3 жыл бұрын
Insane skating love the pants off excitement pj was nailing everything
@danhoebbel2250 2 жыл бұрын
This is honestly my favorite battle of all time
@animorte9790 2 жыл бұрын
Hardflips and inward heelflips have always looked so cool to me.
@robertdenis7942 2 жыл бұрын
Incredible!!!! What a battle
@jasongeyer2111 8 ай бұрын
dudes nollie 3 was awesome. that switch hard flip was great too
@into18 2 жыл бұрын
This was the best ever. Crazy
@Junottv_ 3 жыл бұрын
Hands down the best battle of all time!
@chillinchillin8444 3 жыл бұрын
You know that the battle is legendary but it already started from roshambo! Prod and pj having a face off staring each other eye to eye 🔥 both are def legends!
@luismejia6802 11 ай бұрын
1:51 - we had no idea what we were in for 😂
@jimcsax 2 жыл бұрын
Absolutely unbelievable. Mastery.
@milan9616 Жыл бұрын
Ambos son inspiración y campeones es solo un juego entretención. Y amistad 🤟🙌 doy gracias. Por conocer el skateboard a los 24años y ya tengo 34y jamás me bajaré 🇨🇱
@alexandredumoulin1160 10 ай бұрын
6:37 The dude could not chill anymore hahahaha potg right there
@runnerscircle5502 3 жыл бұрын
That was fucking incredible bro that was his end all trick like if you haven't been practicing this you not gonna get it in 2 tries 😭😂
@droppedboez4270 3 жыл бұрын
I love it when the crowd goes death silent before every trick!
@okisktr8728 Жыл бұрын
This is one of the best game of skate. I would second best of all time. The best one ever was Chris Cole and Alex mizurov and Taylor smith
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