One of the Greatest Tekken Rivalries Rematch

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One of the Greatest Tekken Rivalries Rematch | KNEE vs JDCR

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@TheMainManSWE 2 жыл бұрын

Hey guys! I hope you enjoyed the commentary! Some interesting notes: - This was played a few weeks ago during my break. So it's not RECENT as in the last few days. They played the same match-up at a more recent event. - *SPOILERS* At the more recent event Knee would win this match-up. This would lead to a pretty pointless Twitter "conversation" where people would accuse each other of "tier whoring", not being character loyalists etc. Also insinuating that JDCR would have a greater chance of winning should he play a higher tier character. I personally find it very enjoyable to watch character loyalists who stick to their guns and choose to overcome the weaknesses and match-ups their character may have. They very often succeed in doing this and show that effort into a character will pay off.. sometimes more than simply picking the momentarily perceived top tier. JDCR winning this match-up in this video shows that he has it in him to do so as he has demonstrated numerous times. - Knee has also explained that he sees nothing wrong in tier whoring as it's all about winning the events. This makes perfect sense and he cannot be faulted for trying to do all he can to give himself a perceived edge in a tournament setting.

@alixmj8651 2 жыл бұрын

JDCR won against knee when he picked fahk

@jo-fhreycorpuz 2 жыл бұрын

like any game they always go for meta

@jo-fhreycorpuz 2 жыл бұрын

love to watch to gods of tekken the back dash and side steps are so cool.

@annant1989 2 жыл бұрын

I know JDCR is not trying to make up an excuse but JDCR was very tired and jet lagged for that tourney. He has put a video in his channel on the same. For me JDCR is again in top notch form since he has started believing in AK. Can't wait to see more of AK

@ehsun7822 2 жыл бұрын

The setups at that tournament were laggy af .. every player there noticed it .. and jdcr got the most affected by it due his style and Character Also, jdcr was tired and he wanted to take a nap 2 hours before the event starts.. but then they told him that event is starting 1 hour earlier so he didn't sleep All these things led to his defeat .. but mostly it was the laggy setups .. he was pumping through the event with no sleep but lag made it unplayable .. he had given up at some points and you can see it on his face and gameplay .. especially against Cuddlecore .. and the lag made it impossible to beat akuma which requires to jdcr to duck Akuma's 1,1 (yes he's capable of ducking it on reaction but he couldn't) he couldn't play anti akuma properly But he still in the end he made it third place

@MarvinR2 2 жыл бұрын

The one that did the commentary was actually Knee's twin brother, Foot. Cant understand him but he seems knowledgeable on the commentary watching his brother Knee play for years. Good job Foot.

@chrisxenons 2 жыл бұрын

Wtf knee has twin brother ???

@alixmj8651 2 жыл бұрын

lmao

@AfroKing. 2 жыл бұрын

@@chrisxenons it was a joke that knee is named a human body part so the OP made up knee having a twin brother named after a body part as well, named foot.

@PrimordialKrishna 2 жыл бұрын

@@chrisxenons r/whoosh

@WunjoYT 2 жыл бұрын

Actually, his name is Elbow

@overflowyouknow 2 жыл бұрын

9:28 That duck was inhuman lmao. That was like an auto duck script running.

@TheNumberOneRealis 2 жыл бұрын

Wait he ducked wtf I’ve watched it back like 10 times I literally can’t see the duck

@outphase78 2 жыл бұрын

@@TheNumberOneRealis lol I kept missing it too. Watch frame by frame, it was during Geese's second hit

@Minister-Peter-V1-Church 2 жыл бұрын

Yep it was that quick I could hardly see it

@TheNumberOneRealis 2 жыл бұрын

Holy shit I just watched it back at .25 and even then it’s barely perceivable. I’m convinced now that Korea has a super advanced factory producing near identical androids design purely for playing fighting games. That’s literally the only explanation

@wksers_serks 2 жыл бұрын

Holy sh!t ! I can't even see it. Even at .25 I can barely see the duck like wtf !? How is he a human ? That's some TAS crap and whatnot .___.

@user-bk3gc1jh3l 2 жыл бұрын

The funny part is when Knee failed on a throw break the other commentator said 'He usually breaks all the throws, what do you think about this one?' '...Maybe its becuz he's too old to break every throws' 🤣

@Moonslight7658 2 жыл бұрын

Broh everybody does mistakes, in the end of the day Knee is a human just like everybody else man but his age is one issue as well and the intimidation from his opponent JDCR a guy with really good movement is also a factor.

@user-bk3gc1jh3l 2 жыл бұрын

@@Moonslight7658 haha I know. I just told you guys this to have fun after seeing this. Knee doesnt seem like a humorous person, but he really isnt!

@amirhossein1817 Жыл бұрын

I legitimately don't get how its even possible to have such throw break percentages. Giant swing and 1+2 are a mix up, does knee count to 5 frames and then input the break or something?

@user-bk3gc1jh3l Жыл бұрын

@@amirhossein1817 knee once said shining wizard and giant swing mixup is almost impossible to break when its used at close range, however when its used at normal range it seems like he almost breaks it by seeing its arm. Idk! I also believe breaking those two throws just by seeing it is impossible, maybe he was just chilling and having fun during the commentary

@leonelgarcia2651 2 жыл бұрын

Never get tired of seeing these two face off just pure awesomeness

@austinspears6254 2 жыл бұрын

as an armor king myself i did find it interesting with some of jdcr's game plans, (as in he didn't do what would have killed no matter what) but he deserves the name "greatest armor king player"

@theycallmemotivated2317 2 жыл бұрын

he was for sure a treat to watch this match. had some killer moments. but even he isn't a computer through and through ^^. maybe he tries to enjoy himself a little? but that's just my speculation. no doubt he is the greatest AK IMO.

@RenegadeVile 2 жыл бұрын

@@theycallmemotivated2317 Sometimes you can have as many game plans as you like in your head, you're just going to do something in the spur of the moment.

@austinspears6254 2 жыл бұрын

@@theycallmemotivated2317 yeah i guess your right. he did say he likes to have a bit of fun when playing. even i do that sometimes, i was just surprised he did it in a tournament

@theycallmemotivated2317 2 жыл бұрын

@@RenegadeVile very true indeed

@user-zu8tw9nk7x 2 жыл бұрын

Idk how to explain this, but when you watch at jdcr armor king, he is like different from other players, and only jdcr fight like this)

@MoonlightSama.mp3 2 жыл бұрын

Knee & JDCR are such iconic Tekken Gods, so classic mu right here

@dexanwtripontidis3652 2 жыл бұрын

I remember when Imyourfather played against JDCR whenever there was an infinite stage randomly selected he would be like "Oh fuck it is the JDCR state, his movement is insane in these stages"

@randodox8375 2 жыл бұрын

Holy shit, JDCR is in robot mode there. He downloaded Knee and READS EVERYTHING

@djterror8172 2 жыл бұрын

I still feel like Armor King needs another rage drive in my opinion

@Eedorian 2 жыл бұрын

Another Rage Drive? You mean "a replacing one", right? Because another one would throw AK's first Rage Drive out of the window. No one would use it anymore, just like no one uses Steve's old Rage Drive nowadays. AK's Rage Drive is actually interesting, not like those "one button" Rage Drive launchers with insane range...

@djterror8172 2 жыл бұрын

@@Eedorian You mentioned Steve's rage drive. But what about Lars rage drive he has 2 one to do mix-ups the other to do mix-ups/combos or oki. It's a few people that do Steve's old rage drive it's about fundamentals. Fakhumram has 2 rage drives so yea, it wouldn't necessarily throw Armor King's mist rage drive out the window it would give him potentially a (deadly mix-up opportunity) let's just say that.

@Shibu_PL 2 жыл бұрын

@@Eedorian Not necessarily. AK's CD4 (jumping knee) should become his second rage drive. Combine it with his current RD and both moves would be great for mixing up. Maybe It should deal slightly more damage (not full launcher, that would be too good) and zero on block or maybe even plus? (currently it's -9 so safe but you loose your turn).

@biivii100 Жыл бұрын

@エードリアン I don't think it would be that bad considering all the other characters tools. Even you think "no one would use it" it would still be a cool edition. his rage drive is ass give him another 🤣

@JustineUrata Жыл бұрын

How about Law's rage drive? Trashiest thing ever

@LuistrAmalgo 2 жыл бұрын

I find this high level of Tekken very amazing to watch! Is almost like you can see their brains working in their choices.

@AwesomeWholesome 2 жыл бұрын

This is hands down the best set I've ever seen. I absolutely adore watching the slow, precise Korean playstyle.

@shredman 2 жыл бұрын

Gosh, how the heat of the battle escalates dramatically to the last battle, such a legendary battle. Also, TheMainMan is a great Tekken commentator even though he might have done some mistakes in the past but who doesnt make mistakes. Although the past cannot be erased, it is clear that he has changed, because I can see his unbiased, respectful and passionate commentary on every Tekken match he's sharing with us, even when Knee has made fun of him in the padst. I really believe that The MainMan has changed into a better person after learning from that mistake. I've been watching his videos for a long time and I believe time really proved that. I've decided to type this long ass comment because I almost felt like crying while watching this video, I guess this is why, and I hope the community forgives him from the bottom of their hearts just like me :) I was one of those people who got offended by Mainman when he made the emotional statement but if Mainman could change, so can I!

@Angiooletto 2 жыл бұрын

I definetely agree with you

@Saad_Chishtee 2 жыл бұрын

Been playing teen for a while but just started watching tekken content can u tell me what u were talking about

@Saad_Chishtee 2 жыл бұрын

I meant tekken

@Donalob 2 жыл бұрын

That's the best set of Tekken 7 I've seen. Insane!

@kevinhanandi 2 жыл бұрын

It's funny that JDCR means that he plays every character is known as 'character loyalist' in tourney

@DadarKaulfield 2 жыл бұрын

35:19 Knee's face on the bottom left is perfect

@regmatshiya1437 2 жыл бұрын

Hope you do commentary for some of the CEO games, they were great 🔥

@VermillionThaKid 2 жыл бұрын

Hopefully, would love see to his thoughts on Arslan vs Anakin

@arixo928 2 жыл бұрын

TMM, will you react to the CEO tekken event?

@makhdoom65 2 жыл бұрын

JDCR proving that tiers dosent matter. And takes down knee who is tier hoering since forever. Mad respect to JDCR.

@JIX9ISLER1986 2 жыл бұрын

when playing for money there is no such thing as tier whoring.....that opinion is childish and shows you don't understand the pro level mindset

@skwadboss 2 жыл бұрын

SPOILER ALERT 🙃

@makhdoom65 2 жыл бұрын

@@skwadboss sorry boss🤣. Take a lesson "never go for comment when you are watching something not live"

@mohammedwarish5210 2 жыл бұрын

JDCR was in Tekken AI God Mode during the Grand Finals, 3rd match 3rd round. Knee couldn't do anything at all.

@jezralanel6609 2 жыл бұрын

JDCR mentioned in his channel that its hard to whiff punish Geese because his jab recovers fast so he has to forget about dark upper lol

@MarcyRavenManji Жыл бұрын

man, I just love so much that JDCR is pretty much the only Armor King I see that actually uses Shadow Step that much in neutral.

@ashanirpaneer 2 жыл бұрын

Knee and JDCR have played so many times over the years and their sets always look the same. So defensive, most of the damage comes from pokes, most rounds time out. This is so different from any of the new school pros. Very different gameplay altogether.

@holden6104 2 жыл бұрын

When you have exhausted all the shenanigans, Tekken turns into this.

@visionnaire4203 2 жыл бұрын

Kinda boring to watch but fan appreciate the skill. They take no risks

@Rabbitforce97 2 жыл бұрын

knowing jdcr, he mustve been feeling furious of himself after the match for not ducking geese's 1,1 string

@bukquang 2 жыл бұрын

Online is wack lmao

@RenegadeVile 2 жыл бұрын

I will never not respect JDCR for saying 'fuck you tier lists, I love AK and I will play AK'.

@joketer34 2 жыл бұрын

You must be 12

@RenegadeVile 2 жыл бұрын

@@joketer34 ???

@fury7571 2 жыл бұрын

When's the commentary on Arslan vs Anakin Ceo 2021 coming?

@PassionFlame64 2 жыл бұрын

I am glad to see JDCR play a character he truly enjoys the most. Armor King fits him perfectly.

@hellsdryad 2 жыл бұрын

JDCMFR! Finally back in proper form.

@Moonslight7658 2 жыл бұрын

Knee: 2D was a mistake, should be removed. Also Knee: *_[Uses Geese against JDCR]_* .....

@re.pa97 2 жыл бұрын

clasic knee

@LuistrAmalgo 2 жыл бұрын

There is no contradiction there though. If you think something is OP and you wanna win... you pick it right? Is not like Knee is a loyalist.

@josepartida1711 2 жыл бұрын

At least he didn’t pick akuma

@LauritsTTCampen 2 жыл бұрын

Love all the content you are doing recently. I do miss some good reactions to Arslan and the other Pakistan players, there was some pretty cool highlights at CEO Gaming Tekken Tournament. I would love to see your commentary and reactions to that

@Viewer13128 2 жыл бұрын

knee just predominantly used Feng recently in tournament. it looks like he is using more different moves other than just spacing and timing and repeating the few moves compared to before. he's using more baits and setups and strings unique to the characters recently. PS: knee and jdcr have had many rematches since covid occurred so i don't know why tmm thought this was the 1st rematch in ages. they were also in many same tournaments.

@sembatimothynkalamo8986 2 жыл бұрын

2017 Rev Major the battle of the gods lol. Always a pleasure watching these two beasts go at it

@parzivle4910 2 жыл бұрын

this is Tekken in its purest form

@SaltedMallows 2 жыл бұрын

37:57 JDCR using basic walking movement to throw off knee lol

@themegadude900 2 жыл бұрын

Shoulda been Feng Wei vs dragunov again

@tekkenkasur 2 жыл бұрын

my 2 favourite legends from the start of my tekken career.

@NuckleBebop 2 жыл бұрын

"I hope Guest Character disappears next time. they were unfair." - Knee👀........ the genesis of “Scrupman” lmao, the irony is hilarious 🤣

@liveandletdie4233 2 жыл бұрын

"it's weird seeing knee playing a 2D character when he said that they are unfair and unbalanced" it's almost like knee hasn't proven multiple times that he will play whatever regardless on opinions or cheapness.

@systemkillerinner3 2 жыл бұрын

This guys are THE RIVALS

@paulpeters6834 2 жыл бұрын

Lil Majin vs knee... would love to see that.

@kentbasconcillo4399 2 жыл бұрын

Bruh, I love lil majin more than knee, but he gets his ass clapped ez by knee.

@qa7d516 2 жыл бұрын

@@kentbasconcillo4399 😂😂

@ojsojs6004 2 жыл бұрын

Lil Majin can't even beat Shadow at their recent matches.

@felipez3115 2 жыл бұрын

Knee easy

@LydellG4 2 жыл бұрын

Why do ppl act like Knee can't be beaten? lol Lil Majin would put up a much better fight than some of these ppl think. He beat JDCR before so he can beat Knee too.

@wowditto 2 жыл бұрын

9:28.... Even at 0.25 speed it was super quick

@jcbro86 2 жыл бұрын

I love mainmans WWE commentary voices

@nevermore013 2 жыл бұрын

was this the one that knee got so mad at arslan for THINKING that arslan didn't acknowledge his skills for playing top tier characters and jdcr being a character loyalist?

@timesnewramen4861 2 жыл бұрын

27:10 got poked to death in the entire round.

@robertolatakia2521 2 жыл бұрын

And he got the perfect, its insane

@makhdoom65 2 жыл бұрын

React to Ceo matches as well

@ZeroSleap 2 жыл бұрын

This is the best Armor King of JDCR's ive seen so far.

@Possesed_Toribash 2 жыл бұрын

TMM armor king RA evades 'shallow' low hits. Like the two handed low Leo does (df2+3).

@DooDee0608 2 жыл бұрын

Every move that come out from wave dash have small gap to crush high moves

@Possesed_Toribash 2 жыл бұрын

@@DooDee0608 you are thinking of the rage drive bro. I am saying that during rage, b 3+4 evades shallow lows because armor king lifts his forward leg in the startup animation

@DooDee0608 2 жыл бұрын

@@Possesed_Toribash oh yeah kinda confused one another

@mehrankhan7871 2 жыл бұрын

good lord, that bracker reset from JDCR was insane!

@fckyall2113 2 жыл бұрын

JDCR is a beast. Btw TMM would you be reacting to how Kwiss was being Kaizur’d at CEO?

@legithaiku3841 2 жыл бұрын

Knee is a monster and probably the greatest player of all time. But Am I the only person who feels like knee has lost every clutch match with devil jin? His steve and his paul tend to win him more clutch matches i feel.

@yeehawidv4618 2 жыл бұрын

Because devil Jin is Bunga

@veemo7954 2 жыл бұрын

Because jdcr knows steve and paul. Rather pick a character he wouldn't know as much then one he knows

@legithaiku3841 2 жыл бұрын

@@veemo7954 Do you think JDCR doesn't know knee's devil jin? They have been rivals for years. I think i remember seeing jd and knee play ak vs dj in t5. I see your point tho

@veemo7954 2 жыл бұрын

@@legithaiku3841 i never said he doesn't know. I said he doesn't know as much. From what I saw he doesn't use dvj as much but maybe I missed the matches he did

@user-bk3gc1jh3l 2 жыл бұрын

Its a jinx that Knee cant win the biggest games🤣 poor knee

@lostinthesauce5748 2 жыл бұрын

So you post this one but not the one when knee beat him 4-0 Scrupman…

@ojsojs6004 2 жыл бұрын

Of course. It is more interesting for him, and most fans, to see an AK winning rather than Geese cause AK winning a tournament is rare. Also TMM is a jdcr fan just like you being a Knee fan

@belfastbelchan4039 2 жыл бұрын

I found Knee's fan gay

@ImRightsadly Жыл бұрын

Also dragonmid fan

@Guitar-Dog 2 жыл бұрын

2:00 calling knee a hypocrite, TMM is pretty savage 😂 Could be the language barrier but Knee doesn't seem as personable as other pros or TMM. No one's as personable as Frame tho

@kebogu6123 2 жыл бұрын

Arslan is a goddamn disney princess in terms of how likeable he is. That makes him equal to Frame.

@user-bk3gc1jh3l 2 жыл бұрын

Mainman is a gentlemen compared to arslan.. and also dont forget Kkokkoma and Knees realtionship

@Guitar-Dog 2 жыл бұрын

@@user-bk3gc1jh3l what's the lore with kkokkoma And knee?

@mehrankhan7871 2 жыл бұрын

man yes, this was the best set ever in tekken7

@jahanzaibkhan2597 2 жыл бұрын

Commentate on Arslan Vs Anakin CEO grand finals.

@danielijust8776 2 жыл бұрын

That Match was so good

@pyscho86 2 жыл бұрын

which statistic u use to make ur top 10 op tekken charakters?

@sliceog710 2 жыл бұрын

This set was hype asfff

@husnaina3569 2 жыл бұрын

@TheMainManSWE you got issues with CEO? Would be lovely to see your reaction on ceo matches

@vista1456786 2 жыл бұрын

18:03 Did not know you can win with chip damage in T7 0_o

@MenJo9x 2 жыл бұрын

He's from the future!

@anish.r.j1555 2 жыл бұрын

Was this before or after the set they played at Kumite?

@thesilverlining786 2 жыл бұрын

@ThemainmanSWE why no reaction video of CEO grand finals?

@YOLO22272 2 жыл бұрын

Why is knee (commentator) acting surprised at these end-of-round-moments lmao

@vnquoctru 2 жыл бұрын

JDCR's ducking is incredible

@littlew85 Ай бұрын

Armor king in tekken 8 when 😢😢😢😢😢

@tyranmcgrath6871 2 жыл бұрын

Your commentary is better than those Evo guys, you really know what you're talking about, especially when Geese and AK are involved.

@salad3610 2 жыл бұрын

is knee actually playing and commentating at the same time? wtf how

@thegoodman5822 2 жыл бұрын

The name of this full tournament please?

@MrTepik 2 жыл бұрын

Knee has no heart honestly.. can't fault a pro player for that, it's his job, but still..

@madln5070 2 жыл бұрын

Classic.

@lostinthesauce5748 2 жыл бұрын

If you were to solely look at TMM’s KZfaq you would think that JDCR has been beating knee nonstop as of recent lol. Not one match of knee beating JDCR on his channel as of recent but knee has been dogging him for the last few months… What does that tell you…

@ojsojs6004 2 жыл бұрын

Of course. It is more interesting for him, and most fans, to see an AK winning rather than Geese cause AK winning a tournament is rare. Also TMM is a jdcr fan just like you being a Knee fan

@melgibsonero 2 жыл бұрын

Perhaps it is because JDCR winning is more impressive than Knee winning

@ImRightsadly Жыл бұрын

Cant blame tmmm JDCR clears knee anyways, tierwhore merchant

@AndresFnt 2 жыл бұрын

Why doesnt JDCR mirror Knee's character choice? is that not allowed? Wouldn't the better player be determined if they both have the same moveset?

@MarcyRavenManji Жыл бұрын

I'm late, but JDCR does not play Geese at all and would do terribly if he did pick him. He chose Armor King because that's what he wants and enjoys.

@thegoat526 2 жыл бұрын

Damn knee got washed in the finals

@ciarenkruger8347 2 жыл бұрын

35:24 POGKnee

@keeganpapuni6470 2 жыл бұрын

JDCR didn't believe in the hope kick

@Demon_Aura 2 жыл бұрын

Why knee and jdcr are rivals?

@systemkillerinner3 2 жыл бұрын

Because both can't seeing in face since born

@kebogu6123 2 жыл бұрын

They have been around each other for many years, and have differing opinions, and have been beating each other back and forth all that time

@dandomen3584 2 жыл бұрын

They have been playing vs each other in tournament finals since tekken 5 days [2004-2005]

@TheMidian46 2 жыл бұрын

jdcr beat knee 1 time out of 10, scrupman hurrying to make a video

@kebogu6123 2 жыл бұрын

Thats hilarious But jdcr did play a beastly game worth making a vid about.

@AndresFnt 2 жыл бұрын

JDCR won't play one of the top 5 characters cause if he wins he'll consider it an achievement and it gives him bragging rights whereas Knee only cares about the win by any means when playing up against JDCR...

@browngom7654 2 жыл бұрын

hey mainman can u commentate on farzeen vs kaizur

@muhammadwaqas9610 2 жыл бұрын

So he decided to cover crappy resolution online tournament but didn't notice the Redbull kumarite and CEO-2021 ????why

@pyscho86 2 жыл бұрын

so Armorking has to be new top 1 charakter after beating geese and deviljin (both top 5 and have to be nerfed) Or Knee is the far worse player.

@swiftbluedragon 2 жыл бұрын

i agree devil jin needs to be nerfed

@SebuTK 2 жыл бұрын

@@swiftbluedragon agreed

@ranajunaid571 2 жыл бұрын

Please make a commentary on ceo 2021

@mehrankhan7871 2 жыл бұрын

Wrong! Joe crush vs arsalan is actually the greatest tekken rivalry.

@tigrisrgn4062 2 жыл бұрын

who said armor king was not viable?

@paulpeters6834 2 жыл бұрын

Knee and Aslan are 1 and 1A best in the 🌎.

@ojsojs6004 2 жыл бұрын

Nope. Arslan and Gen are the two best. I like to see Arslan vs Gen. Two players that have improved tremendously the last two years.

@qa7d516 2 жыл бұрын

@@ojsojs6004 so you have denied knee's history? For your information his history is not only in tekken 7 as it is the case with Arslan and Gen. knee built his career since tekken 5, nice try

@ojsojs6004 2 жыл бұрын

@@qa7d516 No. I am talking about the current best top two players not all time.

@paulpeters6834 2 жыл бұрын

I like both of them, but knee vs Arslan was classic.

@khalidmuzammil3885 2 жыл бұрын

Looking forward to your reaction to ceo 2021 matches

@estoylaroca 2 жыл бұрын

JDCR's good, one of the best players in the world for sure. But, I just don't think he uses AK to his potential. He really just plays him like a mishima, not really an armor king. He has amazing punish and movement... but just no character mastery it all (in this case, throws). And it's very much the same for Knee. Knee is an amazing player, but vs a player who has a better character mastery, he just loses. (Like Knee vs Heera). To me, this game is just a game of who has the better fundamentals. Really wish both of them would master 1 character, rather than keep switching.

@bukquang 2 жыл бұрын

But at Pro level throws are broken so consistently tho. JDCR still utilizes AK's move sets to his best potential with long reach & great pacing. Tho i agree its much more entertaining to see AK pulls out his swaggering tricks lol

@estoylaroca 2 жыл бұрын

@@bukquang Only applies to characters with command throws and 1+2 throws. Characters like King/AK can have 50/50 throws with giant swing, shining wizard, chain throws etc. The only consistent way to "dodge" it is to duck. And that's primarily the reason why you do the throws, to get them to duck, so you hit them with the mids.