One Of The Simplest Two-Pipe Steam Systems Ever Made - Behold The "Tudor" Vapor System

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Silent Steam Team

Silent Steam Team

9 ай бұрын

No steam traps to fail, no weird dubiously patented radiator return ells, no buried long wet returns to clog up, this is a two-pipe vapor steam system stripped down to its fundamentals.
On the flip-side, the Tudor Vapor System strengths of simplicity, contain within it's greatest weakness.
Namely, it it all too easy to throw the system out of balance by making seemly trivial changes.
Our first experience with a Tudor system was nearly two decades ago.
When we arrived, it was way out of balance, to say nothing of the water hammer.
After several sessions (sparing you the details), we got it more or less stable.
Fast forward a few years after that, we got a frantic call that the system had gone haywire again.
As soon as we arrived, the cause was immediately apparent - the customer had gone ahead (against our standard advice), and had custom-made radiator covers installed.
Most designs of radiator covers restrict the heat output by as much as 30%.
In their newly installed hot boxes, the radiators quickly over-heated and sent steam down through their return ells into the dry returns where it had a grand old time playing havoc with the innocent water it found there and choking off the air from leaving the further radiators and causing them to grow cold.

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@iliketakingshowers
@iliketakingshowers 9 ай бұрын
Never heard of the tudor system. Thanks!!
@gordonschweizer5154
@gordonschweizer5154 9 ай бұрын
It was arguably the first "vapor" two pipe steam. The 4 dozen other two pipe vapor systems that followed were variations on the same basic theme.
@torinbrown8196
@torinbrown8196 8 ай бұрын
Simple design and too cool! Definitely need to insulate those stm pipes. Miss steaming propulsion plants for the Navy.
@gordonschweizer5154
@gordonschweizer5154 8 ай бұрын
Indeed! Once had a chat with a Chief... Said we can heat whole buildings with 1/2 psi steam. His right eye twitched dangerously and grumbled "That's not STEAM, that's just a gosh darned LEAK!" With respect, Chief, we only have to heat the building, not propel it @ 30 knots. The USN runs on STEAM! Thank you for your service.
@duotronic6451
@duotronic6451 8 ай бұрын
Fascinatimg. Will the client have you repair the tudor valves on the radiators? Im curiius how they work.
@gordonschweizer5154
@gordonschweizer5154 8 ай бұрын
The system was more or less in balance when I left it. There is not much to those valves, just a inner restriction shield and lots of old packing IIRC. I think I might have one in my "petting zoo" of steam stuff & if so, I can make a video.
@gordonborsboom7460
@gordonborsboom7460 9 ай бұрын
So it is steam fed to the top of the radiator and condensate out the bottom?
@gordonschweizer5154
@gordonschweizer5154 9 ай бұрын
Yes, steam (or "vapor") enters at the top, and air & condensate (water) leave at the bottom.
@tedlahm5740
@tedlahm5740 8 ай бұрын
Where is the air leaving the radiator? or is that only on a one pipe system?
@gordonschweizer5154
@gordonschweizer5154 8 ай бұрын
​@@tedlahm5740: Air should be expelled from steam steams thru vents. One pipe steam system should have main vents on the pipes in the basement and on each radiator. Two Pipe systems should almost always have just a main vent in the basement. This system here should NOT have those little vents on the radators. BUT There are exceptions depending on each system's quirks & kinks.
@oldhandyluke
@oldhandyluke 9 ай бұрын
What do you do when you have to a valve on a radiator in this system? Could you use an orifice?
@gordonschweizer5154
@gordonschweizer5154 9 ай бұрын
I'd use this metering valve- kzfaq.info/get/bejne/bddoY6t2tdnacXU.html
@nothanks29
@nothanks29 9 ай бұрын
What R value would you look for for that pipe insulation?
@gordonschweizer5154
@gordonschweizer5154 9 ай бұрын
Not sure what the R value is. Usually advise one inch thick proper pipe insulation (i.e. not the big box store stuff).
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