Maybe more like 3 or 4 shots but nevertheless, easy.
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@Mad-Duk_Machine_Werkes3 ай бұрын
Goto your local Auto-Parts store, get some Lucas Oil Treatment, add it to the oil, I use it in the gearbox oil and on the side gears on my Clausing, made the machine WAY way quieter!!! Makes the oil more "Sticky" and it grips and hangs on the gears longer - you wont believe the difference between that and regular oil with no Lucas in it
@WinkysWorkshop3 ай бұрын
I've heard the same about STP but I might try the Lucas. I also tried Chainsaw bar oil but the 600w I'm using worked a little better.
@Mad-Duk_Machine_Werkes3 ай бұрын
@@WinkysWorkshop STP was OK, it made it thicker not not stickier like Lucas does, I'm telling you - you wont believe how quiet it made my noisy-assed worn out 1967 Clausing 13x36
@WinkysWorkshop3 ай бұрын
@@Mad-Duk_Machine_Werkes I suspect they are similar but I'll try the Lucas.
@cpcoark3 ай бұрын
I just use Way Oil
@WinkysWorkshop3 ай бұрын
@@cpcoark I tried that. It works but not so good on worn out gears
@m.c.mx13 ай бұрын
There's no doubt about it, if you've a problem you fix it. Good Job.
@WinkysWorkshop3 ай бұрын
Thank you!
@jerekirkpatrick20923 ай бұрын
Great build. This would have many applications. Jere
@WinkysWorkshop3 ай бұрын
I agree although I think a better grease gun might work better
@Rustinox3 ай бұрын
That's a very good idea. And the filter and the magnet makes it even better.
@WinkysWorkshop3 ай бұрын
Thanks, I need to get some screen and get the filter installed before I forget about it.
@craigtate59303 ай бұрын
Definitely one of the most clever things i've seen in quite a while
@WinkysWorkshop3 ай бұрын
Thanks.
@dcraft12343 ай бұрын
Noisy gears remind me of stories about ol' timey used car dealers putting sawdust in the gearboxes to quiet them down for a 100 miles or so 😆
@01thomasss3 ай бұрын
And banana peels into the differentials!
@WinkysWorkshop3 ай бұрын
Seem like i heard that one too.
@andyZ3500s3 ай бұрын
Heard that one from my grandfather.
@andyZ3500s3 ай бұрын
@@WinkysWorkshop You know Mark I wonder what would happen if you did sprinkle some fine sawdust from some soft wood. Sounds kinda crazy but the worst that could happen is you would have a big mess to clean up.
@WinkysWorkshop3 ай бұрын
@@andyZ3500s I'd say it would work but I dont think I'll try it. Too hard to clean up
@BenMitro3 ай бұрын
Your solutions to problems and resultant custom devices are a wonder to behold Winky. I wonder how the oil quietens the rattle down. The heavy weight oil probably means its cushioning the slack between cogs. That probably means that the cogs are relatively loose to reduce friction while sliding past each other. Also perhaps, meshing is deliberately loose to overcome any profile deficiencies to keep gear machining cost down. I know, too much detail and probably wrong, but fun to consider!
@WinkysWorkshop3 ай бұрын
Wow, thanks! Most the gears are not adjustable but yes, the oil takes up the imperfect transitions between the teeth and warn gears make the transition worse. These years are 14.5 pressure angle. From what I hear the higher angles like 20 are more quiet but not as strong. Of course helical is the best answer.
@jamesreed61213 ай бұрын
Maybe in the future you could build a cam actuator for the pump and eliminate the manual operation. In my opinion, lubrication is always an added benefit to just about any machine. You get two "atta boys".
@WinkysWorkshop3 ай бұрын
Ha... thank! Yeah... If I want to drive a pump I need to tap into power that doesn't change speeds. Not sure where
@terrycannon5703 ай бұрын
Mark another excellent project both in design and craftsmanship. Just thinking out loud, it would be interesting to see what kind of noise comparison you would have with something like spindle oil. As the gears mesh together the compression is what creates the noise. With the thicker viscosity oil does the compression increase and noise level increase? Or just the opposite with something like spindle oil. Surly it would be easier to pump. Again, just thinking out loud. Your ideas and execution are always Top Shelf. Thanks for taking your time for all of us here.
@WinkysWorkshop3 ай бұрын
Thanks! Well, I think the thicker oil pumps easier (its intended for grease) but for sure the thicker oil makes it more quiet. My video didn't highlight the change very good. I should have had a fixed mic position, moving around effected the perceived change.
@cogentdynamics2 ай бұрын
As always, your creativity and ingenuity are cool. People like me have less vision. I’d likely would have bought an oil pump or something. Great video, thank you!
@WinkysWorkshop2 ай бұрын
An oil pump powered off the lathe would be very cool. Thanks
@Engineerd3d3 ай бұрын
Very nicely done!
@WinkysWorkshop3 ай бұрын
Thank you very much!
@RRINTHESHOP2 ай бұрын
Works great Mark, Well done. Thanks for sharing.
@WinkysWorkshop2 ай бұрын
Thanks Randy!
@TheAyrCaveShop3 ай бұрын
Always coming up with great ideas... Good one Mark !
@WinkysWorkshop3 ай бұрын
Thanks you sir!
@lv_woodturner38993 ай бұрын
I also like it. Nice design. Very well done. Dave.
@WinkysWorkshop3 ай бұрын
Thanks Dave
@mrpete2223 ай бұрын
Great video , very innovative
@WinkysWorkshop3 ай бұрын
Thanks. The grease gun is still acting weird but it works. I was hoping one or two strokes on the lever would do it but it takes 4 or 5. Still quick and easy though.
@rodneykiemele47213 ай бұрын
Great project, Thanks for
@WinkysWorkshop3 ай бұрын
Thanks for watching!
@billybike573 ай бұрын
Awesome idea, years ago in the machine shop at the mill I worked it, they would use STP for their gear cases in the machine shop.
@WinkysWorkshop3 ай бұрын
I plan on trying that and Lucas oil, Thanks
@jeff11763 ай бұрын
Nice! Pretty ingenious ingenuity.
@WinkysWorkshop3 ай бұрын
Thanks!
@angelramos-20053 ай бұрын
Good lubrication,Mark.Thank you.
@WinkysWorkshop3 ай бұрын
Glad you enjoyed it
@robertwalker74573 ай бұрын
Very smart thinking thanks.
@WinkysWorkshop3 ай бұрын
Very welcome
@mrfarmall-vk4gw3 ай бұрын
Pretty nice! Good job👍
@WinkysWorkshop3 ай бұрын
Thanks!
@johnfriend2403 ай бұрын
Great idea Mark!
@WinkysWorkshop3 ай бұрын
Thanks John!
@t.d.mich.70643 ай бұрын
I used to have a S.B. Lathe just like yours, My Father bought it in 1960. I'm still kicking myself for getting rid of it!
@WinkysWorkshop3 ай бұрын
It's a nice but I wish it had less wear.
@jimpritz41693 ай бұрын
Interesting bit of engineering going on there. There is another product that I tried that was recommended by another youtuber called Motor Honey that worked pretty good. Thank you for the video.
@WinkysWorkshop3 ай бұрын
I've heard of that oil. So far I think Lucas is the most recommended.
@floridaflywheelersantiquee75783 ай бұрын
Thanks for sharing
@WinkysWorkshop3 ай бұрын
Sure thing, thanks for watching
@PeterVanTassell-uu4jh3 ай бұрын
Now that's one heck of an idea, wish I thought of that. May do something like that to my sb9
@WinkysWorkshop3 ай бұрын
Thanks! It seems to work well although the pump could be better.
@TheKnacklersWorkshop3 ай бұрын
Hello Mark, Great build, thanks for sharing... I was thinking maybe a future enhancement would be some sort of cam powered for the motor that moved the pump handle... Take care. Paul,,
@WinkysWorkshop3 ай бұрын
I was thinking the same but couldn't figure out how to make it happen. It wouldn't need much flow. Also, I'd get a different pump.
@65cj553 ай бұрын
Good idea Winky.
@WinkysWorkshop3 ай бұрын
Thanks!
@rayp.4543 ай бұрын
Good job Winky, consider a cam setup with a roller to pump the handle whenever the spindle is running. Should make another great video. Cheers!
@WinkysWorkshop3 ай бұрын
The problem is, the gears run too fast and vary in speed. Plus I don' trust the pump to handle continuous use. A continuous low volume pump would be nice.
@rayp.4543 ай бұрын
@@WinkysWorkshop I suppose you are right about the speed and durability of the pump. Just a thought.
@WinkysWorkshop3 ай бұрын
@@rayp.454 A good thought... I'd love to have a full time pump.
@peterraftery24262 ай бұрын
Great job, beautiful workmanship. only comment I would make, (have many years experience with cantankerous grease guns) I would have tried to have the pump submerged. Good luck and thanks for sharing
@WinkysWorkshop2 ай бұрын
Thanks, it is mostly submerged although the back of the plunger is not. Its amazing to me that nobody is making a really good grease gun. Everyone of them I have tied has been trouble! It works okay but I have to pump it about 6 times when 1 or 2 should be adequate.
@howardosborne86473 ай бұрын
Perhaps a good future project would be to get a set of gear cutters suitable for that pitch and cut a new set of gears on the mill with a dividing head.
@WinkysWorkshop3 ай бұрын
I've done that twice with terrible results. I'm not sure what happened but I think the cutter was made wrong or marked wrong. They looked great but were louder than the current gears. I was thinking about gear hobbing.
@thelimike3 ай бұрын
I like it, no I love it.Great job….
@WinkysWorkshop3 ай бұрын
Thank you very much!
@gregfeneis6093 ай бұрын
You might try chainsaw chain oil. Similar to STP, but it's typically not as viscous. However, it's typically made with tackifiers that make the oil really cling to the moving parts it's on. Now that I think about it, perhaps you could adapt a chainsaw auto oiler pump to drive from the lathe
@WinkysWorkshop3 ай бұрын
Great minds think alike. I looked for a chain saw oiler before buying the grease gun and could not find one... in hindsight I should have gone to the local lawnmower/chain saw shop to see if they had a dead saw with an oiler. At the very least they may have provided me with a part number. Also, I tried Chain saw bar oil. It worked well but the 600w worked a little better. Have not tied STP or Lucas oil.
@hornburgtab3 ай бұрын
Great idea! I think the “air” is due the fact that grease guns typically have a spring that force feeds the pump the grease and the high viscosity of grease doesn’t force the grease past the threads on the barrel. I think you are drawing in air around your barrel thread (at least above the fluid level) essentially losing prime to some extent. You might try your pipe dope between the the barrel threads and your steel slug.
@WinkysWorkshop3 ай бұрын
It probably wasn't visible in the video but the top of the gun has a rubber gasket so I doubt it is sucking air round the threads. I do agree about the spring pushing grease.
@jubiletabustamanteserrano24463 ай бұрын
buen trabajo amigo
@WinkysWorkshop3 ай бұрын
Gracias!
@rickhand82283 ай бұрын
That's a I need to do that.
@WinkysWorkshop3 ай бұрын
It works fairly well, thanks
@greatodinsraven2 ай бұрын
That’s a clever design. I wonder if having an electric pump that turns on when you turn on your lathe might be best. Then you don’t have to worry about it and it stays quiet.
@WinkysWorkshop2 ай бұрын
I agree, it would be better
@Curtislow23 ай бұрын
I am trying to remember the oil test display that used to be on the counters of auto parts stores. It had a hand crank and 3 gears behind a lexan view port. have you tried that oil?
Great job, chain saw bar oil may be an option, very sticky
@WinkysWorkshop3 ай бұрын
I tried it. the 600w seems to work a little better.
@natekelly46673 ай бұрын
I wonder if you could make a foot pedal to pump it so you can pump while you’re machining. Nice job sir.
@WinkysWorkshop3 ай бұрын
I'm hoping it will stay lubricated for at least 10 minutes. Interesting idea but perhaps not needed.
@rickyoung51773 ай бұрын
U need a check valve between pump and mana fold because when it is a grease gun the end of the hose the coupling is the check valve
@grntitan13 ай бұрын
I agree. Oil pump cans are made with a check valve.
@WinkysWorkshop3 ай бұрын
You might be right, however, there is a check valve in the gun where the hose screws on. I will investigate the hose, thanks!
@WinkysWorkshop3 ай бұрын
You might be right.... but see my other reply.
@everettplummer97253 ай бұрын
Did you try thread tape? Air can pass between the 16tpi, without a good seal
@WinkysWorkshop3 ай бұрын
It didn't show in the video but there is a rubber ring seal inside the gun. I could be wrong but I can't imagine it leaking at the seal.
@cdrive57573 ай бұрын
Winky, it's a Friday night, uh ...actually early Saturday morning. Lets call it nearly 1 AM. The Twilight Zone will be rapping up and Alfred Hitchcock will be coming on. My daughter lives only 7 miles away but I haven't seen her in months. Sounds depressing? Well, it isn't. I multi-tasked and watched your latest video! Thanks!
@WinkysWorkshop3 ай бұрын
Thanks for watching. I hope you get some sleep too.
@cdrive57573 ай бұрын
@@WinkysWorkshop That comment got posted before I had a chance to edit it. I really meant to tell you how enjoyable your video is. You keep that old girl looking beautiful! It was manufactured in a better time. Wakodahatchee Chris
@WinkysWorkshop3 ай бұрын
@@cdrive5757 No problem... and thanks, glad you enjoy the videos.
@stevewilliams24983 ай бұрын
Winkey you could have rotated the chuck to test the thread 😮😂😊
@WinkysWorkshop3 ай бұрын
Not really... the handle of the gun was hitting the jaws of the chuck.
@jimfiles33073 ай бұрын
I would experiment with hypoid gear oils, say 90 wt. The oil you are using looks a bit thin. Also think about putting a drain plug in the bottom and a magnet. Keep us updated on your progress.
@WinkysWorkshop3 ай бұрын
Yeah... got the magnet and I should have put a drain in there!!! I'll look at that oil. Thanks
@mikedyson73303 ай бұрын
I use engine assembly lube , stays on the gears alot longer.
@WinkysWorkshop3 ай бұрын
I have several options I need to try. I tried chainsaw bar oil but this 600W is a little better.
@ericsandberg31673 ай бұрын
Does one have to be cautious to make sure that the oil selected is compatible with the plastic used for the gears...????
@WinkysWorkshop3 ай бұрын
Good question! I was told they were nylon and I've seen nylon used lot in oil pumps. I guess we will find out.
@daviddazer24253 ай бұрын
Great idea? Do you still put some oil on the wheel axles or does it splash enough to take care of that? My clock repair background snuck through. We call gears "wheels."
@WinkysWorkshop3 ай бұрын
Hello Dave , thats a very good question. I suspect the axles will get plenty of oil but a lighter oil is probably more suitable for axles. Heck, I think it will be fine.
@dwightcarlson71363 ай бұрын
Was the noise from the metal gears really that bad?
@WinkysWorkshop3 ай бұрын
Yes, much worse
@davered273 ай бұрын
Great job as usual, but I've got ask, why did you put the lever at the back? Are you thinking ahead to when you add a cam to operate it?
@WinkysWorkshop3 ай бұрын
Well, there wasn't a good place to put it but it would be cool to have it a very slow flow all the time.
@mudnducs3 ай бұрын
Hold the handle and turn the Chuck to thread it on?
@WinkysWorkshop3 ай бұрын
Not sure what you are talking about
@tractormandeere3 ай бұрын
The air is getting into your pump by threads of your slug you turned. You should have included an print or thread sealer
@WinkysWorkshop3 ай бұрын
I wish you were right. The video didn't show it but there is a rubber gasket in the head of the grease gun. I'm thinking I might need a check valve at the oil pickup.
@chuckmayerchak30713 ай бұрын
If you want total quiet, throw all the gears in the garbage and do a Clough42 Electronic Lead Screw installation. Makes easy one button threading both imperial and metric. Brings your lathe into the 21st century!
@WinkysWorkshop3 ай бұрын
Yeah... That would be cool for sure!
@chuckmayerchak30713 ай бұрын
@WinkysWorkshop I did the ELS on my Atlas a couple yeas ago. Absolutely the best important possible. I love it, n9 noise quiet as a mouse.
@garymallard46993 ай бұрын
🇨🇦🤓🤟
@WinkysWorkshop3 ай бұрын
Thanks
@jimfiles33073 ай бұрын
What about mounting the pump lower than the reservoir? This way it will not suck air and will always be primed.
@WinkysWorkshop3 ай бұрын
Its actually about 1/8" from the bottom. I'm wondering if it has a check valve at the intake
@dcraft12343 ай бұрын
I don't think so as the grease gun follower spring pushes the grease into the pump normally.
@stevenhintz55083 ай бұрын
I’ve been using Mac’s open gear lube spray from Napa on my Atlas lathe gear train for years, works great
@WinkysWorkshop3 ай бұрын
That would be easier. I had some on my Logan 200 with change gears and it was nasty stuff... not sure if it was made by Mac however. Is it similar to black tar?
@stevenhintz55083 ай бұрын
@@WinkysWorkshop it’s kind of a brown spray. I like it because it lasts a long time and really quieted down the gear train and it’s made for open gears. Yes, it’s messy to clean up but so is heavy oil
@alejandrolabarca43662 ай бұрын
Hi, what sensor do you put in the Spindle?
@alejandrolabarca43662 ай бұрын
I found the video, is an RPM sensor.
@WinkysWorkshop2 ай бұрын
Yep, you got it.
@dwightcarlson71363 ай бұрын
Next add a foot pedal linkage so you can just use your foot ???
@WinkysWorkshop3 ай бұрын
Haha... hopefully I don't have to oil it more than one a day
@allensooter84293 ай бұрын
try power punch, that will give you some good results.
@WinkysWorkshop3 ай бұрын
I have several to try now, thanks
@TorteTS3 ай бұрын
Nice, but that’s why helically toothed gear exist.
@WinkysWorkshop3 ай бұрын
Please send money 😜
@DaleEverett-mw2iz3 ай бұрын
Try chainsaw bar oil, it will quit the gears
@WinkysWorkshop3 ай бұрын
Yeah, I tried it but the 600w worked a little better. Still the chain oil did work well.
@anthonycash46093 ай бұрын
You could have just cut off the original grease tube and welded a bottom on it to get your reservoir.
@WinkysWorkshop3 ай бұрын
There wasn't enough room plus no real advantage.
@tunafish32163 ай бұрын
Just hand spin the chuck to try it.
@WinkysWorkshop3 ай бұрын
spin the chuck to try what? You lost me.
@garymallard46993 ай бұрын
Now you can spend " more " time with your Wife ? She can pump the oil as you work ?? Sharing Hobbies is Quality Time !! 🇨🇦🤓🤟
@WinkysWorkshop3 ай бұрын
Haha... good idea!
@terrywitt55433 ай бұрын
Model engine oiler ratchet type
@WinkysWorkshop3 ай бұрын
Interesting idea
@bsteleven3 ай бұрын
sounds more like you don't have enough clearance between the gears.
@WinkysWorkshop3 ай бұрын
Aside from one gear the positions are all fixed. The clearance looks about right. I think the gears are worn and that a couple have bent teeth. I can't see then but judging by the sound I'd say there are several slightly bent.