“but they’re cats! they cant be gay!” don’t they literally talk and see dead cats and have forbidden romances and go to cat heaven i think the silly cat can have a crush on another silly cat of the same gender

As someone who thinks a lot of these she-cats could benefit from leaving their boyfriends and getting girlfriends instead, I can confirm I was stop complaining about the books

The fact that this is in no way satire, is honestly hilarious. Make Mothpool canon and make Frostpaw Bi, and that would all but save this series.

I feel like putting a same-sex couple in a piece of media is a litmus test for how willing a corporation is to take risks.

People always talk about countries /not/ wanting queer books, but there are a lot that really do! Including LGBTQ+ characters would also expand their reach in some countries, too! Brazil has been stocking up on children, middle grade, and YA books with queer characters of late, particularly foreign ones that they translate into their main languages (I'm basing this off of public foreign sales information, I am not from Brazil so I dont know how accepting the country is in general). Countries like the Netherlands and Germany are doing similiar things. Not only would including queer characters in Warriors make the fans happy and give kids representation, it also makes sense from a business perspective. Russia and China might censor things, but they already do that with HarperCollin's other books.

Further support for the “homophobic backlash would be outshined by the fandom” point is that the fandom a few years ago there was a writer on the Erin team named Gillian Philip(not for Warriors but Survivors and Bravelands) who had made statements in supports of JK Rowling’s transphobia. The Warriors community addressed their backlash over this and got Harper Collins to remove her from the staff!

i just want frostpaw and whistlepaw to be canon

6:31 Russian WoF fan here! "The Flames of Hope"'s cover redesign had nothing to do with marketing for children, as far as I'm concerned - if I remember correctly, the publisher wasn't able to acquire the rights to original cover or something like that (don't now the exact reason, but pretty sure you can guess why...). This cover is a VERY controversial topic in our fandom, actually 😅 There were even a flashmobe for fan redesign's, and they are really cool! Interestingly enough, Sundew and Willow's romance stayed quite explicit even with "friends" label on it, which was a nice surprise. In 15th book we even had our non-binary character Axolotl (kinda - they're called a "he" in the same sentence as the "they're people don't call them "she" or "he"") + I heard that another gay couple's interactions weren't altered (Jumbu and Pineapple) - actually shocking, considering this book came out in Russia not long ago, after full LGBTQ+ in books bans. I haven't finished "The Flames", so, sadly, can't vouch for the accuracy of my last statement. Oh, and also one of the Legends books got 18+ as well ("Dragonslayer") - for featuring two dads of supporting character. It was later removed (my copy has 12+ on the cover), but yeah, it happened :/ Feel free to correct me if I'm wrong or forgot something! P.S.: Considering 18+ on several books: still can't get over 12+ rating on "Darkstalker" and graphic novels (we have only 2 officially translated). (SPOILERS!) A character ripping himself open and everything about the Arena is very children-friendly indeed 😂

The dead gay lion was written by the Erins and is a feline. Therefore, the dead gay lion is the closest to a gay Warrior Cat we have.

If they take one of their standard no-chemistry, two-pieces of cardboard shoved together type romances and just make it gay I can honestly say it’d be enough to make me suddenly invested.

gay cats in warriors being canon (LIKE.. ACTUALLY BEING CANON) would actually make me come back to the series

common Moonkitti W do you ever get tired of being right

The Gay censorship that happens in Russia also happens in Poland... yeah we hate it too our goverment is just messed up.

I laughed out loud when you said "Make the characters gay" because it's absolutely true at this point.

SOMEBODY FROM WARRIOR CATS HAS TO CLICK ON THIS VIDEO!!!!

As a person who have read russian translations of wc books I can say that they call both mates and friends "friends". So there won't be any difference if some of cats are gay, they will still be called friends x) Also, I don't think that now they will even get permission to translate new wc books legally, because, u know... War

FROSTWHISTLE SHOULD BE CANON GODDAMNIT 😢

Making gay cats canon would improve the series so very much. Someone who works on the books better see this. I want Mothpool and Ravenpaw and Barley and Talljake.

I sure do love the cat series

thank you, it's very nice to have a single concise video that debunks all the silly excuses people make for Warriors to not have LGBTQIA+ representation

make frostwhistle canon. make squilf have a oneoff line about having feelings for moonlight at some point. make nightheart transfem and have sunbeam realize shes bi. GIVE STORMCLOUD A BOYFRIEND!!!!!

In my personal (and very queer) opinion, we need some aro/aroace cats. There’s so little representation of this in media generally, and I’d love to see a more diverse group of LGBTQIA++ characters, not just gay ones.

if they are going to force us to sit through the most boring romances possible when both parties have personalities akin to a wet piece of cardboard then they should at least make some of those relationships gay.

I think the main reason people blame the publisher is because one of the old authors also blamed them (from my memory at least). I wonder now if they were telling the truth, although they seemed to be a huge JakeXTallstar fan

As mildly embarrassing as it is to admit, Mothwing & Leafpool's relationship was kind of formative for my younger self in eventually figuring out her sexuality. And they aren't even canon! I'd love to see some actual LGBT characters in more recent books, im sure it could help a lot of kids reading them today as well.

I completely agree with this video. Also literally just one nonbinary cat would make me very happy. I don't even care if it's just a background cat that is only ever important for one scene, just so long as it's not a complete jerk character.

Thanks for the details on what harpercollins does/doesn't publish. Admittedly as a 28 year old gay in the warrior cats community i frequently forget that it's like... not 2008 anymore and it is a little weird to actively avoid making the gay stuff canon canon at this point. my brain's perception of mainstream media is eternally stuck in 'there is 1 show with a canon gay character who doesn't date and nothing else' land i guess?

Heck, their giant underutilized cast of background cats would make this comically easy to do. It would be easy to point to any given random cat in ThunderClan and have them be dating another random background cat of the same gender, and it wouldn't be a retcon. As an aside, I think it's very funny that apparently someone on the website team is involved in the fandom enough to be intimidated by how critical they are, because the editorial team clearly DNGAF.

2:03 I can't stop giggling because of the ''adjusted to be larger to be seen on screen''.

This has just convinced me that i neèd to read wings of fire. I was wanting to read it for years but kept putting it off and was considering getting it on monday but this has been the final push

Fun fact: changing the cats' gender in other languages is a thing that already happens, although that's pretty much just because of a lack of editing and/or carelessness (or editors "knowing better", as I suspect that's what happened when Germany initally constantly changed Sedgewhisker to a tom because she's called -whisker.... until she was mentioned to have kits and it was finally corrected lmao)

i wholeheartedly agree, we need more lgbtaqia+ cats however, something that would also make the wc fandom not hate the series is-drumroll please: giving more power to she-cats what is WITH the misogyny in this series like jeez- especially dotc, they did all the female cast so dirty BUT ESPECIALLY BUMBLE, bumble didn't deserve that :(

I want transfem Nightheart and Bi Sunbeam Also small list of things I want to be canon -Aroace Mousefur -Aroace Shadowsight -Bi Sunbeam -Transfem Nightheart -Trans Rowanstar -Gay Stormcloud -Gay Ravenpaw and Barley -Gay Jake and Tallstar

I love seeing Moonkitti talk about WoF content, as I've been a much longer fan of that book series. It's awesome to see that WoF has a more diverse set of characters, esp in the LGBTQ+ stance. I hope one day she'll do a video on WoF, as i'd really love to see it ! Though Warrior Cats is a.. decent book series, there isn't much rep. I remember reading The Poison Jungle for the first time and being like "woah what!! they'res gay dragons?!?! oh my gosh!!" in the most exited little voice in my head. After finding out I was non-binary and getting book 15, it filled me with a lot of joy of seeing *me* in Axolotl. I really adore how non-cholent the rep is in WoF aswell, Tui herself has stated ( i believe ! ) that homophobia is not a thing in the books, which is even better! And I really REALLY appreciated how theres not 'dancing around' the word girlfriend or boyfriend, it's just outright *said* in the books and theres at least 3 gay couples in WoF I can name off the top of my head that have been very obviously stated as lovers. I believe theres probably more but, I just wanted to share my thoughts! It really helped me as a younger child feel.. more normalized about who I am today for my favorite book series to have so much representation. Also- Tui hasn't confirmed this, but, Biohazardia ( a very well known WoF youtuber ) has asked Tui about a trans sky headcannon, and Tui said she liked it! She didn't confirm it, but I still think that's real neat.

*Cough* Frostpaw and Whistlepaw

Still hoping to see Frostpaw x Whistlepaw become canon and see Sunbeam leave Nightheart for Finchlight

I think one great thing about making a new protagonist gay is the doors it would open for retroactive storytelling. Mothwing gets to go "I loved her" about Leafpool. We learn about the secret background lesbian romance Mousefur was having the whole time. Also I think Sunbeam should dump Nightheart for his sister

The labels are always insanely accurate.

frostpaw and whislepaw are very gay and will always be to me. i swear- i want them to be canon SO BADLY

I'm writting my own Fantasy story and i Made many reference to Warrior Cats with the Last name Of the noble families like "ivypool" "tigerclaw", "Blackstar" and "Bluestar"

Why are they crying over it being so hard to write a story the fans won’t hate or will love when all you have to do is take out the sexism (or maybe just acknowledge it in the story properly!!!!!) and gross age gaps to reach the bare minimum? Obviously it’s not the only problems with the series but come on how is it that hard ?? And yes!!! Gay cats!!

"oh woe is me this fandom is so critical!11!!!1!!" "just make a cat gay." "no."

I had this video on in the background so when it got to the "dead gay lion" bit I thought we were talking about murdering Lionblaze and also making him kiss tomcats

I loved those 2 gay lions in bravelands. It was so cute

Who else wrote forbidden gay romances with their cat OCs as a kid because there were none in the books? My hand is firmly raised. Please tell me about yours if you, too, were a closeted queer cat book enjoyer. My jaw dropped because I know this is a haha funny video but it's 100% accurate. I'm so tired of having the thoughts "man this romance would be so much more interesting if they were queer" and "man this main character has so much more romantic chemistry with their same-sex best friend than their actual love interest." Sometimes the straight romances in these books are... really something. There are too many she-cats in horrible relationships that the fandom wishes would just leave her man for someone better. I want some cat wives. We want lesbian cat wives.

I think the solution to this is everyone here becoming an English major and becoming the next writing team /j

i love how this isnt even wrong this is honestly what we need

Frostpaw should kiss Whistlepaw in the next book

Our fandom is a pile of flaming garbage, but it is a fun one 😂

They could totally do this. I've been reading a series called Gryphon Insurrection that reminds me a bit of Warriors, except all the characters are gryphons, and they not only have same sex couples but also a trans character.

Moonkitti we NEED to hear your talks on how you feel about the recent book and SPOILERSSSSSSS . . . . . . . . . . .. . . squirrelstar becoming leader and ivypool being deputy

This and give us SquirrelStar (which they did do), so one step closer!

So super extreme great! I'm exciting for this one! 🥰

Surprised you didnt yet make a "how good would x cat be as a leader" (like what if longtail was leader, or what if mousefur was leader) based on the videos of "i rate your warrior cats ships"

How do we get them to actually see this lmfao

SQUIRRELSTAR!!! SQUIRRELSTAR!!!! SQUIRRELSTAR!!!! PLEASE MAKE A VIDEO ABOUT SQUIRRELSTAR!!! I LOVE HER SM EVEN JUST A CELEBRATION VIDEO BECAUSE NOW SHES SQUIRRELSTAR

tbh this channel is my only porthole into whats going on in the WC fandom, so thank you for talking about something that would ACTUALLY get me to read these books lol

Alternately, TRANS CATS. We've had ones that could be accidents (characters trans their genders between series/books) but if lionesses who start growing manes and acting like males are a thing in the wild, there can be trans cats in the cat books. Bonus if it happen when they're in a straight relationship and their partner's fine with it, making the relationship suddenly gay too.

Actually, the main character is jake, all the protags are jakes descendants 5:00 actually, making it so that the gay cats change gender would make them trans. I’ll let that cook.

Oh on the topic of doing things in the books so the weird playground bully nonsense in roleplays would stop, give more of the cats silly names please 🙏

I want firestar and graystripe to smooch in cat heaven :(

Just make Flipclaw and Feather kiss

Genuinely whole heartedly agree actually

I showed Emberdawn (on Blogclan) this video and now everyone's saying she's famous :P

I want a Leafpool super edition where Mothpool becomes a thing in star clan

I haven’t read Warriors in a long while, but if we got gay cats I would slam myself back into the series at full speed like a bird fully convinced that it’s open air and not a large sheet of glass, nothing could possibly go wrong.

THANK YOU!!! thats all I have to say :)

While I would appreciate LGBTQ+ representation as a transmasc individual, I don't trust the warriors team to handle representation at all. They already fumble disabled representation constantly, the most recent example being Shadowsight. When Shadowsight has a seizure, they hold him down--this is only the most recent example of something being handled poorly. Most disabled cats are killed off, given nasty names, or treated horribly by their clanmates. How do we know they won't just kill off gay cats the second we give them the praise they want? It happens constantly, and I cannot see them properly handling LGBTQ+ representation if they can't even handle that properly. We are not something that can pandered to, then expected to just eat the crumbs we've been served. If they had a proper, non-stereotypical gay cat, then maybe I'll start buying the books again. But for the life of me, I cannot imagine a world where they have a gay cat that isn't demonized, a harmful stereotype, 'pitied', ect. If they can't be bothered to do simple research into the proper way to handle a seizure, then I don't trust them to do the proper research into LGBTQ+ identities.

Moonkitti got the fursona meta purrfectly

Artful to put 2 calicos as the thumbnail

Yeah, it’s honestly very disappointing that we don’t have any confirmed lgbtq characters yet. We’ve been waiting for 20 years, and we haven’t even gotten official confirmation that Ravenpaw and Barely or Tallstar and Jake are canon. The Warriors fandom helped me realize my sexuality and gender identity, it’s a very queer space and homophobia is rightfully called out. I’m sure the day will come where they add an officially lgbt character to the series, it’s just tough that it hasn’t happened yet. So many times I’ve been told that I can’t make my warriors sona lgbtq because “cats can’t be gay, it’s unrealistic”. Even warriors roleplay games ban lgbtq a lot of the time. (I can’t remember if Lgbtq is banned in WCUE, I feel like it was at one point but I definitely remember older roblox games having even the mention of lgbtq forbidden) It would be nice to see kids finally being allowed to express themselves fully.

I remember the day I fell in love with Warrior Cats it was the HawkWing's journey book I first got and to this day I love Warrior Cats. I may not have a reliable answer for this fandom but I hope the Erins do something about this fandom/ books I love! Also, I like to say YES we need gay cats but to me I feel better if we had more MLM cats.

This is so cool I’m the watching the views, likes, and time posted ago go up!😮😊

silly lil kitties everywhere

The literal only 2 reasons I Ravenpaw' farewell was because 1. I had just finished arc one (already knowing Ravenpaw would show up like 2 times in the next arc and then never again) and Wanted more of the perfect boi 2. I wanted to see gay cats being gay

Moonkitti should become a part of the Erin hunter team

Yessss They must do this!

When I clicked on this, I wasnt expecting what your point was going to be, but your honestly so right. I started reading this series when I was about 8, maybe 9, and now I'm in my early 20's. Funnily enough, my favorite cat in the whole series has always been ravenpaw, and his relationship with barley plays a big role in that. And yea, it is pretty worrying that with a series that has spanned multiple decades, there is still no concrete lgbt rep. Even ravenpaw and barley arent "technically" confirmed. (With the writers opting to call them "good friends" and what not). I think the writers should definitely take notice that a majority of ship fanfiction and stuff in this fandom is mostly gay. All we want is some representation, and we've just decided to write our own, since they wont do it. And I forgot with being in this fandom so long, that we could just ASK them to include lgbt+ themes. They may not listen, but we could still try.

erins please give us gay cats we are begging you

2:10 I genuinely LOVE how Moon depicts a homosexual cat relationship as a relationship between two calicos because in real life, calicos are pretty much always female. XD I just really like that.

Gay cats + Stop putting in weird plots abt main characters having to bend over to their abusers and how disabiliy makes your life sad and suck forever. Just like, pay more attention to your writing and let the cats be gay and I'll have no complaints. The plots can be as dumb as they want regardless of those two things and I'll still like em.

Well there is that approach, or alternatively the ghost writers can do some research to help flesh out the characters, or just go off on their own tangent but write it well enough to fit with the story's flow, resulting in a book with parts that, although don't quite make sense, are phenomenal to read.

You tell em, Moonkitti. Its too real

I had a dream that moonkitti was chasing me shouting "GAY CATS!" (and for some reason i was fighting it even though I am very much gay and am completely on board with gay warrior cats)

Ravenbarley Ravenbarley Ravenbarley Ravenbarley

as a current 14 yo, i would be extremely happy ! Squilf needs a girlfriend, even though that wouldnt happen anyway

The sentence "make the cats gay" is going to be something i quote for a good while

if this actually happens I will buy 20 copies of every warriors book. No joke, I would actually do that

Bravelands is my favorite Erin Hunter series because it has cheetahs in it. That's what it takes to make me happy. I'll read as many books of a series as I need to find the cheetah.

I’d also love to see an asexual and or aromatic cat. As an aroace myself I’d love warrior cats so much more if I could see my sexuality within a series I love. I know this (probably) can’t happen in real life but a trans cat! I’m not trans but that’d be really cool to see. Especially a main character and as a sub plot maybe they have to figure out their identity. I think they is a lot of potential.

Correct.

OH WOW- i didn't realize Harper Collions actually wasn't the issue. I thought this for YEARS... dang. Add freakin gay cats already, warriors team. Please.

Video 8 of asking moonkitti to do another clan gen video

I wholeheartedly agree

let finchlight and myrtlebloom be a background couple. That's all. I'd take it.

I think you and Bellasaurus would get along pretty well tbh

If this happened I would absolutely get back into reading the actual books

this is why all my warrior cats ocs are traumatized gay atheists, unless mentioned otherwise.

4:40 easier: make it a super edition, and if they ask how to translate the books say fuck it, give it the mapleshades vengence treadment for EU Region and put it on the backlog for Asia

*stares intently at Moonkitti in review the paint ur own minis on the website and also yeah I do agree with adding canon gay cats. Like I was shipping Ravenpaw and Barley from th beginning an I want it to be canon*