Against that Harugumo at the start, you should have used a volley or two or AP. The improved pen angles would have given you a huge amount of additional damage against him. The improved pen angle helps you avoid overpens against DDs (the ship appears longer in the direction of the shot, same tactic you use in BBs to avoid AP overpens on cruisers), but only when you exp[loit the angles. Next, with your two turrets in the rear, as you run away, you stay end-on and fire away at 12 km +. You need to save your smoke for the times you can actually farm with AP. I usually use HE for end-on running away or DDs who I have to fight that I can't use AP on (this is a failure of gameplay on my part, I am always looking to use AP). As you mention, the real problem is that you can't influence the round that much because the ship is a brick, with no special tools, but if you're not exploiting your gun's damage output, you accomplish even less. I prefer the Regolo to the Elbing, purely because it is more exciting to play.

In Elbing there is only ONE scenario where you should shoot HE: At a nose in ship. EVERYTHING else use AP (yes even DDs)

Higk risk, mediocre reward is how I describe this ship but I love it, most people don't know how to effectively fight you and think "oh i shoot HE" against your 25mm sideplate whilst I can get 6-9k full pen salvos if they're not full broadside, yes the HE alpha is meh but the fact the elbing gets half the dispersion of other dds means you barely miss shells, which gives CONSISTENT volleys, something I value alot. edit: it has improved pen angles & greatly reduced dispersion aswell as the best velocity of dd shells so it is super easy to keep landing volleys as you hit a running ship.

After a long day of work, you can't imagine how happy it makes me to see a familiar content with a familiar narrative. Also I've been thinking of grinding Elbing lately so this is the cherry on top. Love the content you create PQ, and it's always joyous to go and say "Ah, PQ uploaded a new video!"

PQ, can you help me understand why from time stamp ~20:36 - 22:04 you didn't fire your guns once to help kill that Pommern. Clearly the enemy were focus-firing on the allied Kurfurst. That felt very not good. I love your videos, but it is that level of passive that just kills me.

The elbing is far from a bad ship, it wrecks dds and can donso at range, the only dds that don't take huge volleys from the ap are Japanese dds. Also in an Elbing I am always peppering the larger ships, those shells add up very quickly on BBs and Cruisers. I would definitely put the concealment back on.

The one thing it works good at is on the sides of the other team. Push it, it dies, get into a DD fight, it dies. It has been known to be run down by Georgias

I find the super low torp speed combined with the range is actually a benefit and not a hindrance. You can surprise people by how long it takes for your torps to show up down a given channel.

This isnt the worst and not even bad, you just didnt really play at all nor knew and know how to play it.

Elbing - The torp boat lol

I've found great success with Elbing personally. I get main battery range, fearless brawler (sounds silly but you can play it effectively if you play smart) over conceal and with easy to lead shots I can farm comfortably from 12-16km. You can still dodge with elbing, you might take more hits but you can still take evasive action to avoid shots at those longer ranges. The extra hp pool also helps with this. I have a 65+% solo win rate in elbing with over 60 games so far and 100k average damage. You need to be using your guns A LOT, but at the right times. Generally not close near enemy dds and in areas where lots of enemy ships are. Also you can still chunk enemy dds for 5k if they get hit at the right angle. If a floaty shell dd is shooting, even a high dpm one I still take those fights if they engage me from far away. You can land so many shots easily with the arcs. You also shatter most he dd guns besides haru, z53, ragnar, which is huge. Don't sleep on Elbing, play it like a cruiser that plays semi close to caps but never as a regular dd trying to spot and torp and occasionally fire. It's true you can get screwed if you are the only spotter, but at that point just open up and deal damage.

This ship is actually terrifying when played correctly. You can completely delete DDs and cruisers in only a few volleys.

I prefer using this line on targets that are already engaged. I do everything I can to not be the first option for the opponent. The guns are fun as heck! It's just a matter of spacing and using others as distractions.

Perfect time!Im grinding german dd line,and now I can get a better look at which dd should I go for.Thanks!

Watching you play was paiinnnffullll. You looked a BB main playing this thing lol. 12-14km from anything with16km of range but not firing until the game was lost. Elbing is a light cruiser without a citadel disguised as a DD. The guns are amazing. Flat arcs, good alpha and improved pen angles mean you should be using it 90% of the time. If a ships goes bows in, you farm the superstructure until it's saturated then switch to HE. But as soon as they start turning and aren't bow in, you switch back to AP and wreck them. Sure you lose DPM without fires but people tend to freak out and run when you start hitting them for 3-6k every 6 seconds. And they're only healing back half of it.

Hello Author, I need some information about the region change. because I'm in Asia region in this region when I"m playing with a team I'm getting nothing knowledge about the game players. So, I need to change my region. they aren't giving support in the game. is there any option to change the region?

TBH I like seeing games like this when things go wrong because they give me a realistic impression of the ship.

The thing is when I play Elbing the entire enemy team would prefer broadsiding 8 super bbs than let me broadside them

I do not like Green Eggs and Ham, I do not like Elbing in a Jam

I have the same problem with the Elbing. I'm too use to other DD play. I use torps more often like you did during your games.

Definitely hard to play. One "small" buff that would make it a bit more safe to play would be a personal hydro, 3km, like on the Daring. So you can farm in the smoke with a bit more comfort, since it's such a clumsy ship. Otherwise it means you only can safely farm at range.

Elbing has a helluva AP for one destroyer, it is adored in the comunity. 8 kills in elbing, it is a nice ship.

The biggest problem with Elbing is that she is a Light Cruiser in a DD slot. She can't perform the DD role of spotting/cap contesting that most other DDs are designed to do. Now, you can get hilarious damage in her and win some matches. But it takes a lot of work to position well and your team not die horribly. She feels even more reliant on your team being competent than other ships. Which is not ideal for 'fun' gameplay in my opinion.

which mod do u use Aslain or mod station?

Elbing is better with more DDs in game. When you are one of only two, then you not only lose spotting, but you become targeted quicker when you are detected.

I really like the Elbing although it is admittedly really difficult to get used to (especially if one is a fan of the really high concealment DDs). Both the Schultz and the Elbing work best for me when I don't stop shooting at maximum range (I never play in division) - I spot by being the target (up until recently my spotting dmg record was with Schultz - 291K). I cannot emphasize the >max range< enough, in order to save your HP. The shell speed is good enough to hit anything (struggling only with clever Marceau/Kleber captains).

During the derby last week got a 200k damage game. In the right situation it can be such a monster. Fun game.

But how do I have Unicum stats in the Elbing? No other DD chunks everything for 5k at 12km

PQ i was wondering if you could do a one take on plymouth if you have it cause im thinking of getting it

Love this ship , also a critique when you where fighting the haru who was open water gunboating u could of just smoked up and fired at him , he was open water farming ur BB you had no need to lose the HP you did .

Never did this line. My question: if you have Tromp, is this one still useful?

So, what is your final analysis? Do you like the ship or not?

Can you make a one take video on the A.Regolo pls

When I first started playing last year in March 2022, the first ship line I went for was German DD, working towards Elbing, primarily cause I thought it was a good all-arounder and had decent AA. I stopped at the IX Schultz. Then changed lines to American BB Vermont, and the Shimakaze line, both lines which I am very happy to have completed. I was much happier with Shima, it's literally the best torp boat in the game, best cap contester, best+strongest torpedoes (12km ones). When I play ranked, I often play my IX Schultz, and it's been fairly good to me in there, with 65% win rating at the time of writing this. The Schultz/Elbing have some of, if not, the most accurate guns in the game, so I don't even take accuracy on Schultz, I take turret traverse mod in the 3rd equipment slot. Main commander skills are: Grease the Gears, Fearless Brawler + Concealment, with Extra Heavy Ammun., and the standard Last Stand+Preventative Maintenance+Survivability. The other points you can put on whatever you want. I prefer the Fill The Tubes for the cooldown, as the standard reload is pretty good for 12km torpedoes. It's just sad that the torp speeds are some of the worst in the game (50 knots!) I feel the German DD line needs a bit of love from the devs. But then again, a lot of things need that in this game, particularly when it comes to aiming bugs/AA bugs, etc.

I think the KMS line has many issues, but there are some standouts that make it worth is (although, after you've ground better lines). York is pretty solid at tier; Hindi is a standout to me, jack of all trades and all situations (albeit, master of none). Z46 and Z52 are still both quite good (especially former at tier). Bismark and Pruss, are both quite good (again, former at tier is the better). Seems like all the 150mm line need a hydro, though.

Elbing's party trick is its AP (improved pen etc.) against broadside dds - that said it's not really that much of a party trick now with the itallian dds. Definitely miss manouerability when I'm playing the rather more stodgy T10 dds..

I just watched a Daniel Rusev video about Elbing. He was constantly shooting ap in the frontline when his div mates were under fire and spotting for him. I guess thats not a solo dd to play.

Fun fact, in real life these ships were classified as “scout cruiser” and were meant for reconnaissance only since they were too fragile to fight cruisers and prone to be swarmed and destroyed by hordes of Darings, Jutlands, Fletchers and Gearings

Elbing is a interesting ship. It's really a cruiser that takes a dd slot, similar to some cruisers that fudge the line between cruisers and bbs. The only area the elbing fails in comparison is taking out other dds.

PQ is a sexy rascal and nobody can convince me otherwise.

They buffed the HE fire chance, give it a shot against heavily armored targets.

I kind of like Elbing. You definitely not need BFT, that 5% increased dmg is not worth 3 points. Instead of priority target and BFT I like to takeconcealment and turret traverse. Elbing with full concealment isn´t such a huge visible brick and those few hundrer meters do a good job. I even tried switching range for 4 points for RPF. 13,3km base range on Elbing guns is decent enough, you do not need to get spotted for 15km when firing back at anything ( = easier to disengage based on range = less pressure on your smoke usage) and maps are not too big to fully utilise those 15-16 km range on a DD - much better is information where your closest enemy ships (usually DD) is hiding and play accordingly. Because Elbing can ambush and AP to death lots of things. This build you have is basicaly a Khaba build, but Khaba can go 50 knots, this thing cannot.

First game was rough with the 2v7 plus CV. Second game was a bit of a missplay not using AP and not opening up after haru went down.

My best decission: Spending the Free XP to get this ship, use it for snowflakes, and put it into a cozy harbor spot where it can rust in peace.

Elbonk Bonk bonk as i thought ...... hmmmmm

Btw potato, the Elbingon console is the same ship, but its a tier 7 free xp premium(tier 7 on console is tier 8 on pc, the matchmaking formula on console is -1 +1, so the elbing will never face tier 10 ships on console as well

I really wish theyd change the dd line into a CL line with a gimmick of having no citadel, it would make it so your not taking a dd spot while also giving a better understanding of the role.

Elbing takes great use of Lütjens, 140 hits for the reload buff and every 3 spotted ribbons a 3k heal. Also should use more AP on DDs, you almost get as much dmg as an HE pen and if you get AP pens you just wreck them. And with 16km range its not so hard to just pepper the enemys from a distance, while they have trouble hitting you acceleration duking them. You still do AP pens on this distiance, thats adding up to huge dmg quickly. But you did neither, no long range farming or DD support, ok you had no DD to support or spot for you but still then you could have just rain AP on other ships^^ You were baseicly just playing torpedo boat xD, i would´nt like ships to, when i force them into a role they are not ment to fill. Its not so diffrent from Harugumo playstyle, excapt you stick to AP.

I’m a huge fan of the Elbing. But it isn’t a DD you can play alone. Second line with a DD div mate is incredibly strong, allowing you to zone and cover as both a DD and a CL. And the AA is no slouch either. I actually think it’s pretty strong, though not as fun as others, admittedly.

I think you did not like the Elbing :D Best of wishes friend!

Just for the lol of shooting citadels 👍

Personally, I love the Elbing, but you need a good team to make it work. I only have like a 45% WR in her, even though I'm averaging like 80-90k damage per battle. She just doesnt have the ability to do other things such as capping, scouting, or brawling with other DDs

The Elbing is a light cruiser hunter and needs to be played that way. Avoid fights against gunboat DDs, don't rush caps, find an island and farm until you see their cruisers, then go stealth and start hunting.

Well it's a german ship, so what do you expect? It's a cruiser that takes up a DD-slot. It might be interesting if it had a slow-acting superheal like the Sevastopol (if that's what it was called) which would make weakening enemy DDs more managable. If you could recover 40% your HP over a minute or so, you could take an early engagement and still remain effective

Full gun build captain, aft , bft , fbrawl, ar, se, Ap , reload on 6 th Slot and use lutijens ! Happy farming

For some numbers on builds, comparing your build to one that dropped PT and Heavy AP for Fearless Brawler but everything else stays the same, you are looking at; While spotted 109k HE and 267k AP DPM on your build, 121k HE and 276k AP damage on Fearless No Heavy AP While not spotted your build is the same, but Fearless and No Heavy AP is 109k HE and 248k AP. A theoretical third build would be to drop Survivability Expert and pick up Heavy AP and Incoming Fire Alert or Gun Feeder that would get you; While spotted 121k HE damage and 297k AP damage While not spotted it would be the same as your build only with 3500 less HP. Considering you are still over 30k HP that isn't the biggest deal. Considering you are gaining an extra 30k DPM or 10k pen DPM on your AP when spotted, as well as an extra 12k DPM or 4000 pen DPM. Personally I'd go with this third build. (Also numbers are perfectly exact, I was just using the thousand digits for the maths to make it simpler to read, the actual bonuses are slightly higher as all of these numbers should have more digits in the hundreds slots.) Also for reference if you go with CE over Fearless in any of those examples you get concealment down to 6.49km so not terrible just not a huge difference. Edit: I feel Elbing is a great division DD if you don't have a Ragnar, it basically does what a Ragnar does but slightly worse and with a smoke in place of the radar and more HP in place of the heal. It doesn't seem to make for a great solo ship, as you are hyper focused into your guns. Suppose another way to put it, is Elbing is a more gun focused Black without the radar. Both ships have terrible slow torps, but good guns, Elbing is just more focused into it's guns and can be scary for BBs and heavily armored cruisers, where Black is only really scary to other DDs.

Elbing is a good ship, but it's a bad DD. I wouldn't even classify it as a secondline DD, I would say that it's a super light cruiser without a citadel. You're not going to be actively hunting DDs, but you'll be able to destroy them if they're spotted, you can do the same to any broadside ship. You're not going to actively contest points against enemy DDs, but you can go in and grab them later on in the match with ease. Most light cruisers are getting hydro, but you essentially trade the hydro for no citadel. If you treat elbing like a mino / smolensk / kutuzov, you'll do well. You probably won't win a lot of games because your team is starting the match with one less DD, though.

don't play it like a DD, play it like an AP smolensk. sit in smoke and farm, then run away.

I love listening to CCs complain while misplaying a ship for 30 minutes.

Funny it has the size - guns - hp & speed of the Munchen ..... which is a CL in T7 ..... probably similar game play maybe ? Has smoke though .....

I got a clanmate that excels with this dd

I don't play or build this ship as a DD at all. No concealment skills, second rudder mod, fearless brawler. It's not designed to contest caps, and trying to do so will just get you killed most of the time. Though I will say, a lot of people forget the 25mm plating and improved accuracy, meaning you can take isolated engagements with some other DDs.

Honestly if they just added a heal I feel like it'd be so much better

Elbing seems very Situational, I stopped at Schultz, Elbing is unlocked but I can't afford it. But I don't know if I'll bother with it. I say situational, as in you need your team to be doing well for you to do well. This is just my opinion however. Honestly wish they would've started making subclasses or something that take up their own slot in Matchmaking, for all these new ships they keep making that don't exactly fit their overly generalized roll. For shits and giggles on Public test, I run Elbing full range build and hug a flank lol

"I didn't do much this game" - story of my life lol. I play overly cautious most of the time when I know I shouldn't. My battle impact is not what it should be because of that.

Elbing is a max range Cruiser without zita Others words: Elbing is what Roon wanted to be.

Just saying...the lower your gamma is in the setting, the better u can see the ships in a smoke or storm ;)

Is there ever a time you don't complain? LOL

Hahaha, funny ap boat

Honestly I would have loved this line to be tanky with a heal and 4km hydro to be able to comfortably fight other dds and torp screen more effectively. The smoke is nice to have if you misjudge an engagement, but the DFAA really does almost nothing. Would really rather have tools to fight other dds rather than be a target for them.

a good description of this ship seems to be it is really good at one thing but provides almost no utility for the team.

Elbonk

In that second match, what on earth are you doing firing HE?! The Elbing's AP alpha is so good, that AP overpens do almost as much damage as HE regular pens. So even if only half your shells are pens, you do way more damage with AP. And you shouldn't be taking a fight with a Haru at short ranges, the improved HE pen will chew you up; the Marceau on the other hand you will embarrass in a duel, as her HE will shatter on your armor, meanwhile your high velocity shells will have no trouble punishing her no matter how she tries to dodge.

I've seen you play Austin to good effect so I don't understand why you don't play this ship the same. They basically have the same kind of mission. She's a light cruiser with good guns and solid torps. You can't contest against other DDs your true targets should be other light cruisers which you have an advantage against because they have a citadel and you don't.

You are blaming Elbing that it doesn't perform in scenarios other DDs do, but never try playing for its strength (good AP, high range, pen and velocity). That's like saying St. Vincent is bad because no matter how hard you tried brawling you got killed. No shame in looking up info on ships even when you are a good player, do that, try it again and enjoy how well Elbing can perform.

Use smoke to farm , Not to escape

Range on modules range on Captain and you will citadel every cruiser from 18km.......

I've noticed that whenever you play a ship with torpedo's you have a tendency to fire outside of the green area either to the left or right. It's not the worse tactic if you fire some to the left and some to the right. If you had fired in the green area on the Preussen you would have gotten a couple of hits. Then again I'm a NOOB so I'm probably completely wrong!🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣

You fired HE. Literally forget you have that shell type and just go full AP. Even bow on BBs eat damage. Always fire AP.

While PQ does very well just look at the other DD's including that first Shima. At this point I don't know if players have so little understanding of the game that they think rushing a cap has to be done or if they really don't care and are fine dying over and over. I'm leaning towards horrible players who have zero game understanding or want to improve.

POV elbing players in ranked

You are not a DD. heavily armored. range takes the pain away in hits while making them less likely to happen. Prev. Maint. - Heavy AP - adrenaline rush - main batt. spec & expert - fearless brawler. Smoke is an escape plan. fire from the open at range. Get CE if you find yourself dealing with late DD but in randoms this is rare. SE feels more useful more often. Typical long range tactics, fire on the move while changing speeds and rudder constantly, or sit there using start/stop/reverse . Heavy reliance on spotting so it can be frustrating on a bad team. Hope it helps. It really is a great ship, when played right, in the back.

Elbing is such an awesome ship. I really loved mine. Wish WG didn't fuck the game up that made me not want to play anymore.

Very wishy washy game. Take what the game gives you and not wish the game away.

These Shima players, man. I swear...

u should consider urself as a CL instead of a DD...just forget abt ur role and farm

Tier 10 without a heal....not good.

Druid is a wayyyyy better AP DD…

This dd line just sux. Bad dd, crappy mini cruiser.

you playing elbing like a normal dd such a poor and wrong gameplay. I wouldn't say this if your general opinion about the ship wasn't that wrong

the reason you arent doing anything is you're in a gunboat DD and not using your guns.. and now you're using the pitiful HE... bro you gotta think of this ship as if it was the CA to a normal dd CL. even more than that. you should almost never use the HE. this thing is ALL about the AP

you play it really badly .....use AP .....you shotin HE on harugumo WTF that thing eating FULL AP dmg and anlbing have even improve angles .....when enemy DD slightly angles to your AP then will full pen .....elbing is good, regolo is even beter when you know how to play this ships

to be honest, you truly don't know how to play elbing

Painful to watch.

lol, not using AP with Elbing.

Pos ship

A great example of a good player who has no idea how to play a ship. Advice: this ship is great, but potato has no idea how to play it, you should check out other channels

Dude why spec heavy AP if you don't switch to it ever. Edit: i was wrong about this. You did fire AP, but only _17_ out of the _¿¿40??_ times you fired your guns. Dude!?! Gunboat DDs need to be shooting!

Elbonk