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They should remove the entry 100g, because the first time it didn't work and the HR was empty, and it still is.

I won't be playing HR until treasure is re-added, it'd be impossible for me to reach a decent rank in the limited time I can afford to play.

Wish they did this at the START of the season, not giving two weeks so people get an unmatchable lead.

The AP removal on treasure hurts me so. Feels rough buddy. Guess I'm going to hell every dungeon now.

They thankfully reversed the AP changes today, hopefully they stop stirring the hornets nest so all the new players can enjoy a normal season experience

I don't think I've heard a single person say that they wanted treasure to be worth no AP at all. If anything, people have complained before that other things weren't up to par with treasure, but absolutely nobody said "hey, let's just make treasure completely worthless." I have no clue what they were thinking or what data they followed to make this decision but it's not a good one. Also not sure why we aren't suggesting a nerf on the treasure AP scaling rather than completely changing the requirements and making treasure worthless in HR.

I just select the option to "lose one big toe" before entering HR. I prefer to just have a lack of balance rather than ante up that much AP.

It's like they don't even test things before they change them

Changes to any rankjng/scoring system mid season is always going to feel bad. They have plenty of time between seasons to figure out iut what they want to do, but once again they are changing shit AGAIN while we have already started. I got my rogue to semigod in one dau, stupid easy. Now im struffling to get out of path with my druid. Something is clearly broken here

Anyone who thinks its okay to change things mid season/beginning on the live servers are dumb. We have a test server and more than enough players to utilize it. Use the test servers

In a SUPER optimized run as a warlock in solo. Killing 50 mobs and 7 sub bosses AND solo HR Lich I got 1,200pts. With fee that's 400pts. Only turbo sweats playing warlock can pull those numbers and that's with incredible gear, RNG spawns, and no PVP. The grind is clearly broken right now and needs to be fixed.

good video! I also appreciated the thumbnail it made me chuckle

Lol wasn't the last video called "everyone gets demigod"?

The start of this season everyone is playing normals to have fun. This will change soon as the need to climb the leader boards for the "cool" cosmetics will have HR filling. Let it ride.. watch it level out

Grinded for demigod already. I knew this was coming. Now to just sit back and watch the drama unfold 😂

In hr trio crypts it is impossible to hit Demigod atm, unlike Ice caves you don't have time to clear pve in crypts because you need to hunt other juiced teams so you don't get griefed in hell. So taking that into account, you get one floor of clearing modules for ap. We were clearing boss every raid and 3-4 modules in hell and were getting between 600-900 ap in pathfinder.

Ante for high roller should be AP not gold, they can seriously just have it back where you have to do boss fights for demigod.

THANK YOU. I was about to say, I farm mobs and clear rooms constantly and lose AP because the entrance fee is SO HIGH.

Collecting treasure doesn’t take skill. Demigod is actually a grind now. I might be the only person who likes the way it is. Not everyone can get it the way it should be.

I think they should do a death cost rather than an entrance fee. Shouldn't the point of the game to be surviving the dungeon? Obviously people will try and like sit by extracts and what not (super rat tactics) if you took entrance fee away completely. They should really look at drastically reducing entrance fee and then have a high AP cost to not making it out. I think it would maker the AP grind system more interesting and less like absolute mini-max hell.

Boss kill should just give straight up 1k at the very least. As is its hr bossing is easter egg mechanic for the 1%. If it becomes substantical reward maybe people will start bothering to actually fight bosses.

Currently exemplar 3 and I did a solo run in crypts and got +747 points even though my entrance fee is 700. Only thing is it was a really good run and hard to replicate. I had lots of lions head opens and tons of mob kills , and its mad stressfull in highroller solo hell

I guess I am the literal only one who likes the current system. It's basically a monster killing speed run, and if players get in your way, you're rewarded for killing them too. And it forces you to take on layer 3 no matter what if you want to go positive. And its almost as if getting demi-god requires you to be something of a... demi-god. But I guess everyone wants to be able to just grind it lol

On the other hand now we have motivation to actually kill high ap mobs in hell. Maybe people will learn how to deal with them without stairs cheese lol.

I just don’t see why they even have ranks if they don’t utilize it. I’m unranked playing demigod players

Why not just make the cost of AP only count if you die? balance it based on if you can survive the dungeon instead of how much can you min max? the entrance fee or (death penalty) could just be like 1000-3000 AP or a lot more?

The whole AP system is stupid I don’t understand why companies attempt to depart from the very familiar battle pass progression system and unsurprisingly end up with a heap of unbalanced dogshit that either everybody or 0.1% of the player base actually completes.

So why did they think it was a good idea to begin with? They need to scrap the AP system entirely, it just makes playing the game a chore.

Tbh, adjust the penalty for dying, leave the AP gain that we have now as is. We usually have 2-3 months in the season, it should take at least a couple of weeks of non stop grinding to get to that rank and not a few days or a week. It suppose to be that the 0.1% will get that rank. So getting 50-100 AP at perfect play at the high level, seems ok if we look at this that way.

I am really confused who is making decisions over there. I know its not true, but some of the things they do makes it feel like they don't play their own game. I wish we knew who was suggesting these balance changes. It seems ill-informed.

1 day everyone can get demi god , next no one can .... just wait tomorrow maybe everyone gets it for nothing ... maybe the ranking system gets removed all together ... who knows ... Not iron mace that's for sure .

Item ap returned. Cut the ap costs. Full time job/kids and I’ve had exemplar for the pervious seasons, can’t even break wanderer at the moment.

LOL. Now it seems almost like "All classes" leaderboard doesn't make any sense at all, only class specific does. As we have AP progression requirements clearly skewed in favor of some classes more then others. The progress now is tied entirely to kills for a given time while we have classes that cannot perform as effectively as others without wasting time to replenish spells. Imagine wizard trying to catch up to warlock on PvE and boss farming. Warlock already was in a near best spot for HR, now when all the looter classes are gone and only kills matter he seems to be above literally everyone. Something needs to be thought out here...

The ap cost to play is discouraging to me

New players are getting their first taste of the bizarre balancing that ironmace killed the first community with over the last year. Hopefully they dont blow through these new 50k players as quickly.

Im pretty sure it was a code problem because when you give your friend the loot weapons on you to them that counted as looted. So players could cheat and give friends loot to gain ap.

Current matchmaking is awful, dont bother playing HR till they figure something out, or you have absolute BIS. It feels worse than ever this wipe. Dont bother with mid tier kits in HR because the BIS legendary/unique guys with 3 trolls blood a piece are gonna roll you

Its so fucking bs. Before getting demi was soooo easy so eveyone that grinded at beginning of wipe is demi now and no one else is getting there

Hotfixes for hotfixes are getting out of hand. There is high probability that there will be one when i want to play lol

Treasure should be there just less, but make things like gear off players and players more. So if you loot and avoid pvp then its a bit slower to rank but if you are agressive and pvp, then its much faster.

Bring back treasure at least so then it's your choice better gear or ap. Also some type of matchmaking, gear or rank something has to be done.

I keep getting around 250 AP in HR on successful extracts, without fighting bosses, going to hell or engaging in pvp. That's really not much AP, especially if you consider some of my games are 0 AP due to dying, mostly to pvp. On the end-game AP score list, I'm only getting AP for Monster Kill and [High-End] Props Interactions, no assists as I'm doing solo runs.

those runs were not perfectly optimized... you wouldn't loot if it was. that was optimized on the old system

i tryed the game , i liked everything but the timer 2x12 minutes is way too short

thank god they wanna change it, solos is rough

i think personally they should implement that when you reach exemplar then the treasure ap change happens, not hard to implement as code "if rank is

Im doing more than 1k points on exemplar 2 doing hell runs in crypts, and that without getting pvp kills, i mean monsters kills give more ap than before, its the same but u dont have to optimize treasure, i pref the treasure system to be honest it was chill and fun for me, but its not "days of grinding" if u know how to do it, u just have to clear 2/3 rooms on inferno, and all u can in crypts, with semy empty lobbies thats kinda easy.

AP points focusing on Kills just to gain is nonsense, there will be people extracting early, there will be other people making kills. That would mean just you spawning where people arent close by, would make you automaticly lose AP. Nonsense.

Was getting demigod as solo ever viable? Don't have anyone to play HR with and it's discouraging seeing how even Onepeg with his dream team can't get to Demigod. Surely Onepeg trio not being able to get Demigod will be patched, but what about us solo runners?

I clear half the map, kill 2 teams, and kill boss in hell. 800 Ap in white ranks.

It's still a bit possible but you really have to break a ton of shit and kill a ton of mobs.

i keep hearing people complain no one pl;ays high roller but everytime i play it the lobby is full. whats going on???

I personaly take 1500 ap per game as a rogue by just murdering mobs in crypts and beelining for ap dense areas, same for hell. its easier for solos in my opinion to farm ap then trios cause all your work is your own. theres definitely more risk but its better then having to do 40 runs with friends.

I go into solos post-patch and get more than 1500 still just from killing everything and opening a shit ton of chests. Just go down to hell

The true and only problem with AP is that nobody will play HR untill its free

High Roller needs the gold cost removed, and AP cost lowered.

Can still get demi. I'm getting 1300-1400 AP per run right now. Not as easy as it once was, but it's workable.

I think Season 1 at the end was the most balanced with the AP. Of course the pvp kills were none existend atm.

I just want ruins back!

If it costs 900 AP to play as demigod, why on earth would anyone play high roller as demigod. Is there even a benefit? I feel like it's all risk and literally zero reward potential. It should cost 0 AP to play as Demigod. You've made it. Maybe you lose some AP for dying but it's just stupid to me and is a mechanic that pushes people to not play their character??

What’s the point,I got to pathfinder on multiple characters last season and didn’t even receive any rewards. Anyone else have this happen?

F2p players are heavily catered to, now they basically get every feature free of charge. Those of us who bought the game get a harder than ever, borderline impossible ap grind lmao

And if you die you lose 10 runs, that's stupid

I can't believe im saying this, but bring back treasure AP 😂

People on Reddit are already demi

So this laready happened, they went the opposite way and made it too easy and now back to square one xD

good video *thumbsup*

sounds like a skill issue

Anyone else kinda feel like HR is just.. annoying? I can't be alone in having TONS more fun in the "poormals" lobbies. In HR you can have people just straight up stat checking each other. That's not.. that's just dumb. That's not PVP. That's not a game. That's literally just "haha I have more gold than you, you lose" On top of that, you die, lose all your shit and then have to spend an hour looking at stats to build a new kit, just to die again half an hour later and do it again? Why? How is that enjoyable? Not only that but objectively speaking, poormals IS the skill based game mode. Yes there's a ton of Timmy's trying to learn but there's also people like me who have played since play test 3 and just want to enjoy the pvp of the game without the extra bullshit

thank godi grinded demigod before they changed it lmaoo

This list is flawed, 0 player kills - wchich should give the most AP, in an ideal system.

Iron mace again fucked up the game... notheing new

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No-life game 👎

yeah, sooo, they can only make so many poor decisions before we all quit. i almost quit because they have maint so frequently i couldnt even keep up with the sweaty grinders. they dont use their test realm they just close the game for maint, then after maint, they shut down for hotfixes. sometimes 24hrs long. there is no reason to play or try to obtain a goal on such a broken constantly messed up game. its like. just let us play. set shit up, make shiit function, and just leave it be. literally once a week their like, we changing this. so silly. no matter the class a fucking ranger just comes in and snipes. every fucking time. people complain about druid but holy shit. i am happy to have uninstalled. i wish i could refund

something something something? man you fell off