I'm a picture guy, if a book doesn't have pictures, that's not a good book.

As a hacker, I don't need a girlfriend because I'm always in.

I have to disagree with you here. The definition of a hacker is anyone who opens a terminal and runs cmatrix.

Whether you use openBSD or Linux, always keep in mind that as least you're not using Windows server lol.

I use OpenBSD on my Thinkpad T420 and it runs great, yes hardware compatibility is more limited but it's grown over the years. Performance and battery life aren't as good due to the security features, so it's about 5% slower than Linux, but much, much more minimal and straightforward in it's administration. A couple things, All the OpenBSD developers eat their own dog food and run OpenBSD on the desktop/laptop. They also use ports, and encourage using ports. Bluetooth dongles will work, Bluetooth barely works on Linux as it is (it's buggy as hell). ZFS is overkill for desktop users and anybody whining about ZFS better be running a datacenter or your being nitpicky. OpenBSD has a robust filesystem that almost impossible to corrupt and a self repairing package manager (you can have a power outtage in the middle of a system update and it will pick right back up where it left off). Also donating hardware and asking for/donating for driver support is encouraged if done politely.

To be fair, OpenBSD actually does make a pretty lovely desktop. The main reason is that most OpenBSD devs dogfood it on their desktops (as opposed to FreeBSD devs, who tend to use MacOS more on their desktops, regardless of how they advertise the OS) and desktop actually get first-class support. It is true that hardware support is lacking (effectively, they only support the hardware the devs care about, and it's a relatively small team). And sure, there's less software available than for GNU/Linux (again, because of the small team). But, if you use it with officially supported hardware, everything JustWorks™ with minimal tinkering and the experience is quite nice.

OpenBSD works out of the box on my Framework. It ships with most anything I need to get my work done. FreeBSD on the other hand mostly doesnt work ootb on desktops. I used Arch in the past, which was decent but less integrated than OpenBSD for my needs (lots of net/programming) Cheers

Thank you for the shout out man! Great video as always. Never thought my channel would end up in one of your videos. 😅 Glad you talked about Root too he is a top notch creator and guy. Take care!

I bet someone out there is running OpenBSD as a daily driver just to prove a point.

OpenBSD ships with an X server, a display manager and 3 (three) window managers, and will autoconfigure these for you if you select the right options during install. The X server (Xenocara), display manager (xenodm) and one of the wm-s (cwm) are all developed "in house", I believe.

hot take. slackware is super secure too, because it has to resolve 15 million dependencies by hand. =w= I like how fast slack is.

This is why GhostBSD is nice to use on a desktop, it's plug-and-play, very little configuration needed. It's kind of like running Linux.

Eating my lunch salad with a jobsite puppydog, and then you upload. I love you.

Literally just went on break wagecucking it and was looking for a good video to watch. Thanks based mentaloutlaw

The answer to “Why dont you use OpenBSD?” for me is: “Because I havent ported it to my custom RISCV SoC yet”

I’d actually be keen to see your take on setting up an email server. I recently went self-hosted recently, but it was a bit rushed (bye bye legacy google workspace).

0:38 I don't fully understand network topology yet but the funny chungus pictures did make me chuckle, made me laugh.

I used OpenBSD for on my laptop before it became my main machine. It was a bit difficult to setup but worked fine after struggling to find what i had to configure Though OpenBSD had a major issue of not being compatible with my touchpad (it acting like a keyboard). Did manage to fix it with some 4+ year old proposed patch, but didn't keep it as custom kernel and all that

Damn I hadn’t heard about Vultr not opening port 25 for email anymore. Back when i set my mail server I had to open a support ticket and explain the exact nature of the mails that would be sent and what domain(s) they’d be sent from. They ended up doing it for me and my mail server still works so I guess I’m grandfathered in or some shit

algorithm bump. Neat that you are covering this.

(Buys black hoodie off Amazon)

I appreciate you showing other creators at the end of the video. That's a big problem with Odysee, there's no way to find small creators besides using the search.

I love FreeBSD on bare metal with a window manager. The effort put into graphical display environment variable was worth it for not having to read the internet as text in a command line terminal, and now i can turn my homework with it… I think some people expect that because Linux wants to be new user friendly, that other operating systems should cater to those ideals. If someone wants to go through that trouble to use a GUI and set it up that’s great, but expecting BSD to do what ‘just works’ distros do is really far removed from the normal use case of servers, operating robotics….

kinda wild i installed openbsd on my t420 today and you uploaded this

I would just use FreeBSD, can be either a desktop or server - plus it has what OpenBSD does not - ZFS.

One reason, for setting up OpenBSD as a desktop is, if the hardware (like an old laptop) has started lacking behind for most things, but still can pull a task like playing mp3, or show a DVD; then it can also be used as a timer and alarm clock. Thank you, and good night :3

I'm a hacker since I found that my cap gun end was fitting perfectly in chocolate bar vendor machines, later as a teen I learned that just throwing said machine on its face on the ground would yield all the chocolate. Nothing like brute force.

For at least slightly hardened kernel and userspace, I can recommend openSuSE as distro :) For kernel itself, grsec should be used + they had some comments on linux security in general For FreeBSD - Bryan had video about their Code of Conduct quite long time ago. They changed it tho, but still sounds Coraline-esque ;) Love openBSD!

NetBSD: _crying in the corner_

well said! @Mental Outlaw - Have you considered using sendgrid/mailgun instead of outgoing STMP server? Just like gcp blocks all port 25 traffic and suggests using port 2525. Get around it by modifying your mailserver/exim with sendgrid api and using a custom port.. It works fast and results in better security. The linux hardened is basically what I do manually for every server I setup and it takes ages to fine tune nicely. Defending nowadays is much much more difficult than attacking. That's why log event types that triggers notifications so you will be updated instantly via push messages exists 😎

Hey nice vid Outlaw. Can I request you make a video on pihole and adblocking maybe in a docker container. I think it would be a cool idea for a video.

watching this on my openbsd desktop running cwm. It's one of the best window managers out there and it's installed by default. I still dual boot linux for more complicated stuff like music production and games, but openbsd works fine, the default applications are good and minimal and it's a great development environment. Configuring things like wifi and audio is way easier on openbsd than on linux. It's a great system for desktop but it's not for everyone because it lacks some software and drivers for unusual hardware that are usually available on linux.

Am currently using openbsd as daily, i have started using it recently and I really like it

No picture of desktops… he’s got us there boys.

I am running an email server with Vultr and its works fine. I don't even notice the closed port 25, because I tend to use SMTP, and I'm guessing every other email server that has contacted my VPS does too

i dont need wifi support for a desktop environment, but ive dealt with hardware firewalls with openbsd running on them and some of them can be also run as access point

OpenBSD on a laptop is one of my comfiest machines but yeah it’s pretty unusable for daily driver shit and I’m deferring to my artix book most of the time. You can rice it and script like a screenwriter but there is only so much you can do before you’re just recreating your regular linux desktop on BSD for no good reason other than internet nerd points.

What? OpenBSD is meant for desktop use. It literally comes with Xorg, multiple window managers, an audio server, etc. OpenBSD also has wifi support. And you don't even need to install anything for WPA, it just works with ifconfig. And the only reason OpenBSD does not have Bluetooth support in the kernel is not because it "will piss off people", but because Bluetooth support never properly worked and was deleted at some point and no one has yet bothered to implement proper support. I don't think the OpenBSD devs would reject a well designed Bluetooth driver.

Been running a box with some extra NICs as a router with vanilla openBSD, getting fluxbox mostly worked and I also installed the dhewm3 package directly from the repo, granted I probably got a bit Lucky or the hardware was old enough, but I didn't encounter any issues. It's rather amusing to be playing doom3 but I agree that there are more than a couple things I miss (like OBS)

can you install a desktop gui on openbsd so you can have a gui to open and navigate to the files? or does a desktop environment hook so deeply into the operating system that it could compromise the security or something? however do develop a wifi support via custom kernel and host it your self or post it to usenet (remember that the newsgroups) and hit up the devs maybe to include your sit to their external sites list (many sites have links to other sites). could you open another non standard port on vultr and remap to that? do a port scan to see what ports are open and use a different port say 24 or 26

I recently put an open BSD system together with some kind of window manager such as icewm because that's one of my favorite window managers I love the security and I think you are absolutely correct it's meant to be a server I can mount my drives and stuff but for what I'm doing and what I'm learning and there's a lot to learn in open BSD and all of my hardware worked and setting up Wi-Fi and stuff for me wasn't a big deal since I know about previous d also and FreeBSD is the all-around operating system you can use it for a server you can use it for a desktop you can use it for a lot of things and it's the better choice for a multipurpose system but I still love open BSD and I'll keep my eye on it and read up on it but I think main system wise Arch and FreeBSD are the best choices for me but right now I think I mainly am using those. I think right now I'm favoring Arch a little bit just because of the convenience of software and it's not a lot to set up with things so but not all configs are going to work I just put together an old Lenovo w520 with it altered a certain way which I'm just using the Intel GPU because my battery life is important right now because I'm learning two programming languages so I need to just focus on that and take care of my family so I can't learn openbsd keep up with everything else and learn to programming languages so I kind of need to hone in on one thing but I'm still going to read and play around with open BSD. So yeah it is what it is and as for Doom I've been playing Doom since 1993 I'm 41 years old and I'll never stop in Arch Lenox has so many awesome choices for Doom mods you can install with GZDoom so doom has my heart. Also battery life problem with the w520 ThinkPad in FreeBSD is that I could not get a happy medium with configuring it and what configuration works for someone else won't always work for you but that's why I don't use 100% of other people's configurations I read and see what works best and test which is what you're supposed to do anyway. Anyway great video once again have a great day.

openBaSeD may not be for me,but i really respect it, espacially with the freeBSD devs mostly using macOS.

Having WiFi and Bluetooth on a server OS can make sense. For example if you want to make your own WiFi hotspot instead of using one that a company makes, or if you want a server to connect to Bluetooth devices for gathering temperature data etc.

I've been using Digital Ocean for email port 25 for several years now. I don't know if they still have it open by default. I have a friend who recently set up his own email server on Linode.

I'm a big fan of openbsd for my laptop, compatibility is good and it works out the box with cwm. I have a steamdeck for portable gamin, and a desktop PC with windows for home gaming, but out and about where I'm likely to be connecting to shared wifi networks etc, the additional security of oBSD provides some peace of mind while doing everything I need it to, with very little effort on my part.

Can I recommend a nice tutorial on how to setup a complete network (internet facing side open bsd systems and tutoria for each system). A complete tutorial on setting up a secure enviroment)? Edit: You kinda answered the question in the end of the video. Thanks!

That pic is the main server for OpenBSD that's in the main dev/founders basement up in Canada. XFCE and Mate run fine on OpenBSD so it's just as much of a desktop distro as anything else.

at 6:00, have you tried ufw allow (the port you were using)?

Yay, another upload!

i had run FreeBSD as second OS alongside Fedora on my older FX-8320 machine back then, GhostBSD is Mint of FreeBSD world, but I did vanilla, and installing things + rewriting configs can teach you, if you are casual and want to try out another Unix-like OS (basically original UNIX), then GhostBSD is for you

RedHat/centos use an SELinux kernel by default. very good against privilege escalation. Adds some admin hassle when setting things up, but is a tradeoff.

the OOTB programs and window managers are enough of a desktop for me, and my rice compiled with one uncommented line. Switched only on desktop wanting to try gentoo with vidya games. + ports had problems. Might switch back lol.

I agree the infighting is counter productive

i thank you for this video i learned a lot from it

for mail exchange, OVH is doable. one can always pay for an smtp smarthost however.

I use Vultr for email, they do open the 25 port but they ask you to use your server "normally" for at least 30 days, before doing that.

Didn't know that Luke and Kenny live in the same universe

Are you going to do a video on your pinephone pro?

Vultr opened port 25 for me when I explained what it would be used for after I opened a support ticket

That "OpenBased" near the end of the video caught me off guard

"Desktops, they're not openly accessible on the Internet..." Haha this guy funny. Subscribed.

Word. Good advice

When I setup RPI the first things I do is remove all bluetooth and wireless modules and services. Modules can be disabled after.

how did you build your VPC ? i cant find anything useful other than using amazon services

I just want to say I am highly offended youtube put a microsoft mid roll ad in this OpenBSD video.

I love BSD (Free, Open, Ghost, etc) when it's on several devices, such as edge servers, proxies, caching, etc, but even in my servers the hardware support is so limited that I can not use it on most of my systems. Because of recent changes in the Linux kernel I no longer lose any speed or security by running a Linux Distro instead of BSD on those devices and I don't lose any speed or security doing so with the proper configuration. I have to recommend OpnSense rather than PFSense to friends because I know one will work and the other won't on their systems. Unless they run PFSense in a VM which is more common and generally accepted these days in homelabs where you are trying to pack the most bang for your buck in one tiny rack.

As someone who is slowly transitioning to running NetBSD on metal on all of their devices, aside from API minutia that only programmers care about, there is almost no significant difference between various Unices from a desktop user perspective. They all run X and Firefox and most other GTK/Qt applications, and that's 90% of what people want in a desktop OS. What I'm more concerned with is the hegemony of Linux in free software as a whole, and the increasing implication that "Unix-like" = "Linux." Indeed, that's why the big three BSDs all have had some form of Linux ABI compatibility - not because they want it as a useful feature, but because it's necessary to run lots of nominally "open-source" software nowadays like the latest Java. (yeah, the "write once, run anywhere" language is now less cross-platform than fucking Go and -Ada but woke- Rust. How far the mighty have fallen.) Aside from just meaning there's essential one central power in charge of the future of Unix, the Linux monoculture means there's one giant failure point in everyone's machines, and when the Linux kernel fucks up, everyone is gonna be hurting from it. It's bad for the exact same reasons the Chrome/GPL/Windows/x86/... monoculture is bad.

I installed homebrew on my Wii. I’m a hacker

Why couldn't you get Vultr to open the SMTP port? You just follow their procedure, and explain that you are not going to spam people. Worked for me :)

Thanks for sharing

I am a hacker if i use a windows vm to do my excel homework without having to use windows bare-metal?

I've used OpenBSD on my desktop for years now and am happy with it. The OS does come complete with a number of Dam's but none are configured for use out of the box. They're intended for people who either know how to use them or research for themselves, which includes the use of the accompanying documentation. With regards to wi-fi, the reason it's not as polished as the other ones is because the OpenBSD project has more limited funds than the other ones like Linux so they have to prioritize certain things. Fast Wi-Fi on OBSD makes sense as much as it does on Linux because it can be used as a secure access point if nothing else.

1:11 its the first time i saw editing in one of ur videos

Packet management can be a bit painful on Linux distros in general. I heard good things about package mgmt on OpenBSD (maybe it's the same on the other BSD's?).

One of the very few times when I disagree with you Kenny. But I think guys like RootBSD etc make a better case for OpenBSD than I ever could, so I'll leave it at that. For those who do want to use OpenBSD as their desktop, I would add that The OpenBSD guy's channel is a great asset too. The dude's legend. (Watched, eyerolled, retorted from a desktop running on OpenBSD laptop. Sincerely, not a hacker)

I don't think openbsd would make sense as a main desktop operating system unless you're also using it as a secure operating system in a professional way, and you're maintaining opsec as much as possible on both your personal and work computer. If it's hard enough to tell which one you use for work and which one you use personally, it could deter threat actors without the resources to attack both computers. Of course, someone orchestrating a personal attack that sophisticated would probably have the resources to figure out which one is your personal computer and which is your work computer based on things like when you're using those computers. Although this is all assuming the hacker already breached your other defenses. If you run a firewall server, even something basic like something running on a raspberry pi, that's another layer of defense. If you use a good router with decent security features and no glaring vulnerabilities, that's another layer. If you use a good modem with good security features and no glaring vulnerabilities, that's another layer. Having a good ISP might even be a consideration, depending on where you live - though, that's one thing I don't really know for sure.

I miss my old thinkpad that had open on it. Didnt play well with my newer hardware so now I'm running Pop os.

I use a NomadBSD in a pendrive. It's not based on OpenBSD, but FreeBSD, and it already comes with a desktop environment and persistence. And it runs very smooth. It's not very hardware friendly. But with a little research you can figure out how to make them work.

Send a support ticket to the folks at Vultr to request port 25 egress. They'll ask you a bunch of questions to figure out what you are going to use it for (personal email is a valid reason), and they will open the ports for you.

Great video for the Linux vs BSD crowd - agreed :)

Very nice

I’ve been running NetBSD on everything for more than 20 years. Good on the desktop, good on the rack. About half way between FreeBSD and OpenBSD. Runs everywhere.

I love OpenBSD, use it since this March. OpenBSD? More like OpenBased! It's not that slow, hardware is not bad (except a non working internal mic).

Most VPS providers have port 25 disabled by default because of email spammers using their services. When a domain name or IP is flagged as spam the domain name/IP are basically useless for email. Email has a shit ton of tests you need to have done, so most email providers don't just immediately send you to spam. These are also the reasons why you don't use your home IP to host email as well. All residential IPs are flagged as potential botnets used for spam. I only know this because I had to setup an email server for a start up company from scratch using openbsd.

Would be awesome if you could do a comparaison between CentOS and OpenBSD.

Yeah I would actually love non-desktop OpenBSD stuff

I was planning to get into openbsd or freebsd but I saw a comment that said you are not getting that much advantage from linux and you cannot install some software that can easily be installed on linux. So decided to stay with linux. It's more secured, but I don't need that much security tbh, I even reduced security and privacy level that I follow. So, instead of following the best, I started following the good enough for me strategy.

I may not be recalling correctly but didn't OpenBSD have better WIFI support than FreeBSD? Like it supported more chipsets?

i recently got a blusecreen after a windows update and now I'm trying to become autistic by binge watching your videos to get into coding

May I suggest Linode. Have been running a mail server for the last few years with no issues.

Robonuggie does some pretty good BSD content as well.

0:09 missed opportunity to use uname -rms

I'm not sure if you've done a video on this already or not, but I'm super uncomfortable with giving my ID to youtube to prove I'm over 18 to watch *vaguely* edgier content, is there any way around this or am I stuck?

I've been using OpenBSD on desktop computers since 1999. The only OS I've used longer is Slackware Linux. Both are great.

Holy shit the imagery at 0:39 🤣

Past Kenny doesn't say "howdy sneaders" and I get 😢.

Vultr opens smtp after a month of use and you have to ask through support. It's really annoying since they don't mention that anywhere.

why not run HA-Proxy to a vps that allows outbound SMTP?

opinion on NixOS, giga chad?

I'm using OpenBSD purely console on an old small Dell Wyse thin client, and I'm going to get hold of a small old computer to install it on as a server.