Highest priority as soon as they come out fr fr

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I feel the same. She does look and seem good, but it doesn't feel like she does enough compared to ops I already have and not a big fan of her art either.

On the damage front of things, the main thing is her range imo Besieger range opens up a lot of map spots and usually won't be in competition with other operators, which is her main S2 upside over other AFK ops (or over bringing more AFK ops that can't use their damage due to range+map spot limitations). She can also better support multiple lanes from the same remote location. Her extreme DpH + def ignore also helps crack tough targets where most other options for that require closer-range deployment spots. Heck, I've even slapped in Rosa into some stages without using her skills just because there's no useful tiles left for anyone else S3 marker + sorta-global range easily deals with a number of otherwise *very* annoying enemies, fast bois, teleporting bois, dangerous-to-get-close-to bois, and bois that camp out into the corner of the map out of reach, for example. IS4 comes to mind for *spamming* various of those annoying lil shits....

How much damage they do is often less important than HOW they do that damage and she has a unique way of doing all that damage.

Wise words

I'm not surprised considering how her S3 works. You can do some crazy shit with it.

Her advanced performance would depends on bosses and type of contents, but it is true that the moment that she can be used literally no one can replace her

Called it tbh.

Just her hps, buffing damage to allies within s3 range(25%) & her stalling potential with her tp already made her very good, not to mention it has 45 sp with 30s duration. A very desirable kit of advanced content Compared to saria's skill, 1st year op on the same class, that has long cooldown , only buffing arts damage & also most of recent bosskiller is physical so shu is better option. Not that much use advanced content (high enemy res, not recommend to block enemies yada yada)

Nah. Only for quick stalling (30s) to clear some annoying waves. Other than that, use Saria, Skalter or other medics, de/buffers

They are pre-scripted events that can be found in Spine

Yes it is

No it's only the first arrow. So it is one arrow with extra damage and the other with standard damage Talent 2 is based on enemies not her arrows, so if they land on 2 enemies then both of them will have talent 2 applied

Ray have more range, more damage, better cc, faster skill cycle than Typhoon. Ray is meh against small mobs but still can hold her lane while bringing boss killing skill while Typhoon literally bad at holding lane if she use S3. Ray just can't afk hold lane and can't "locked" target like Typhoon, both are not needed for advance.

@@benzosk2604 ray's damage isnt better than typhon tho, here's comparison (source reddit) Ray's damage = around 60-70k dmg but her s3 can bind enemy/ boss for entire skill duration. Low damage cuz after ammo used up, her damage drop significantly Pozy + typewriter= around 130k with some def shred (typewriter 59k + pozy 70k) Typhon= around 110k but with ABSURD defense shred Reason fo my question is, does perma-bind used more for advanced content? Also between ray's ammo mechanic vs typhon's very slow aspd, which is worse against horde?

@@frauflaw100edibleorganicco9 Pozemka is the worst out of these 3 and not worth comparing her. Typhoon stronger at locking on boss and kill them both phrase in 1 skill cycle but any random mobs walk into her circle and her dps reduce, she also take a long time to shot all 10 ammos and can't use her skill to hold lane. Ray don't have any of above problem, she can cycle skill very fast and her range also better than Typhoon with sandbeast. so Typhoon clearly win here if her only job is to kill isolated elite or bosses by herself while Ray is better in every other situations, especially binding enemies that you don't want to get close to your squad. you should watch Ray showcase to see how she basically powercreep almost every snipers out there except Chalter and April, HG made her too flexible.

@@benzosk2604 Im not saying which one is best or worse, since im also quite in dillema on which to choose considering future advanced content. I only show damage number to give context on how much they damage they deal 1. Pozy= highest ST damage with her typewriter, but vs high def she fall off hard. Her typewriter is basically fast redeploy schwarz, which give her option for either global map presence or high ST burst. Pozy herself also has damage similar to ray but coupled with her typewriter her ST damage doubled. Her skill cycle is kinda average tho (35 sp + 30s duration) 2. Typhon= numbers alone, her damage is a little bit inferior to pozy+ type. But she herself can ignore 70% def. she also has good afk skill & s3 also has mini stun for cc-ing bosses. Her slow aspd mean slower skill cycle tho & also s3's damage can be spread. Long skill cycle (40 sp+ 5.5 atk interval x10 ammo) 3. Ray= damage-wise, she is inferior to both poz+typew or typhon per skill activaton. Her summon also has 30s cd & ammo mechanic also hurt her damage real bad. Despite that, Her cc is good for binding enemies for entire s3 duration & not many boss has bind immunity. Also her s3's cycle is fast (30sp + 16s duration), meaning when pozy & typhon activated their skill once, ray's s3 would be on her 2nd activation. Faster skill cycle= faster skill activation & skill ending= more opportunity to burst (since more skill activation) My biggest question is, WHICH of them is more useful for advanced content like cc max risk, TfN or difficulty 15 IS ?

@@benzosk2604 here is a thing to consider tho 1. Pozy = great at IS3 & 4 difficulty 15 even at e1 due to her typewriter, personally i even think pozy is better than chalter on this mode due to her typewriter. not great for CC. Decent at other game mode like SSS or TfN 2. Typhon= also great for IS3 & 4 max difficulty but need e2 to be great, at e2 she delete majority of bosses on is4. Not great for cc. Decent at SSS if buffed with aspd otherwise kinda average on other mode due to her slow aspd 3. Ray: dunno, didnt use her? Is she even good at things like CC or IS max difficulty? Tbh she kinda need e2 to be decent for IS & her damage kinda average too mid to be useful on CC. Constant bind on s3 is good tho & many bosses dont have bind immunity, which may have potential for advanced content

True, caught another after returning from CNY...

@@DragonGJY oh, sad. Hope you enjoyed it.

She can do what Saria does except she does it 10 times better. Higher hps than blemi Look at her talent and s3, she buffs a lot The tp break mechanics and can works on cc immunes and invi. Shu is no doubt meta

Just her hps, buffing damage to allies within s3 range(25%) & her stalling potential with her tp already made her very good, not to mention it has 45 sp with 30s duration. Compared to saria's skill that has long cooldown , only buffing arts damage & also most of recent bosskiller is physical so shu is better option. So yea, saria got powercrept🥲

I don't think so. Sure Shu has tons of interesting things, but they're all over the place, unnecessary, and stats are weak It's still way more efficient to use Saria for healing and tanking So yeah, to sum up, all you need in Shu is the tp shenanigan, which is helpful only in high level content to do some quick stalling of 30s to clear some annoying waves that you dont want enemies to touch your team. Other than that, just use Saria, Skalter or another medics.

@@congnguyennguyen2494 her kit that u said "all over the place" is what made shu good tho. Even her slightly inferior stat mean that she is less affected by -stat risk or any debuff, compared to those ops that need high stat to be good & unusable on advanced content (max risk, max difficulty IS etc). Basically a jack of all trade or complete package of buffer+staller+ healer that is still usable on advanced content Healing defender isnt generally needed for normal content ,we can agree on that. Just slap something like mlynar, texas alter, gg, skalter or penance & then boom, stage done. No need for shu or saria in that On advance content tho, Can saria stall something like hateful avenger max risk? No she cant even with her +30% def & any attempt to block bosses in advanced content is generally a waste of resource. Meanwhile shu can stall any bosses, no matter how dangerous they are, for 30s

Saria only use is for S3 slow and giving people SP, she will 100% die blocking any dangerous mobs. if you just want healer that can block trash then use Gummy.

They aren't. The only similar thing is their s3 which deals single target damage. You can always use them both as Typhon is more versatile with her s2

@RainForest-kq6rn Both of their S2s are for laneholding though; and though they are slightly different I also don't really need laneholders. But then I realized Ray has pushing, so I feel less bad now lol

@@byeguyssry no one in CN uses Ray S2 lmao. It can "lanehold" but it sure as hell not afk, why use s2 when s3 is superior and can kill enemies better?

Boss killers are just a term for operators that can deal loads of damage to a single target (boss usually). Usually it's ops that can dish out a lot of damage. Most used is Surtr and Mlynar. For snipers usually it's just Pozyomka, then we got Typhon and Ray in the next few months. Keep in mind boss killing is easy even if you dont have the 3 snipers above using buffs and debuffers to supplement the lacking damage.

@@RainForest-kq6rn I have Surtr and Swire alter, both max e2 just not mod3 yet. But I didn't stay strong I threw 50 pulls at typhon and missed. I should prob stop and save for virtuosa..

@@Kurock1000 what did you get from typhon banner? have you hit pity and get a 6* yet? pity is usally at 50+ pulls. why virtuosa? her banner is bad. and you won't accumulate much by the time her banner comes. Probably just 100 pulls or something. how many pulls do you have left?

@@RainForest-kq6rn ~80 pulls left, got a mudrock and another swire alter out of it. You don't think virtuosa is worth it? Isnt she one of the few elemental type operators out there? Her and rey were the only things I was looking forward to. NGL the swire alter has been a heavyweight in my lineup sense I got her trying for chen alter.

@@Kurock1000 she's overhype. Ele damage is pretty overhype currently. And she looks strong because her damage is fixed at 12k or 24k (I don't remember) and most enemies on general stages is around that health bar. Not too mention, Viviana is mid af, that's why the banner is bad. You only have 35% chance to get a good operator (arturia). Degenbrecher, who's after Arturia is the strongest operator that we'll have in the next 6 months. She has better rate up too (50% chance). Well if you want to pull arturia, go ahead. Limited have no guarantee though,

She also spread most of her arrows onto all his creations as well so it will be a disaster to use that against him

@@DragonGJY U think in terms of dmg output, Typhon is *most powerful playable Sarkaz* so far? Not to be confused with "most durable" one (Hoederer)

@@adamtaurus7013 I think it's Surtr

@@DragonGJY Really? Didn't Typhon take down more boss than her? Or these 2 Sarkaz are their own merits 🤔?

​@@adamtaurus7013 Surtr can attack 4

OP is CN player

Hindsight because we've had 6 months to test how she fares in different content.

He's certainly quite strong, but not busted - he has low DPH compared to modern Phys Powerhouses, for example. We have Hoederer who can solo Eblana without a medic, and yet he's all the way near low priority simply because the other bosskillers we have are incredibly flexible and don't need as much support on average (and scale better with buffs). The next 6 months have almost all insane 6*s compared to launch ops, but compared to each other there's definite pros and cons.

skill 3 teleport allows straight up cheese many troublesome mechanics with her alone, huge range in which operators gets buffed atk and atk spd(25%, 25, it's half of aak buff to everyone in range), people recieve lots of healing 2nd skill has solid uptime/downtime, solid attack range(phalanx caster basic attack range), 2 heals/1.3 seconds with enhanced sowing talent effect and big attwck buff(for herself)

Imagine an operator who can heal, buff, tank and cc all at the same time

​@@DragonGJYI don't need to imagine, Saria exists xD

​@@Kexarui love saria but the cope in this is real

​​@@Kexarucan saria stall a boss for 30s ? Oh no, she cant😂

It's a breakdown of why it's not optimal when she has to deal with 2 or more targets at the same time, I certainly did not say that's the norm for this skill throughout.

The issue there is the DPH, Degen has def ignore while he has ~2k hits which fall off in stat creep situations, not to mention Enmity ops are more sensitive than most to stat changes.

@@slonik0002 you missed the fact that being able to be compared to degenbreacher and falling behind a small chunk is no small feat. Degen has 25% def ignore which is not much, what's better about it is the already high damage base to ignore out of. ~2k hits easily stack up when you spam it every 4 seconds.

it about range and cc, Zuo just 1 block, front aoe dps while degen kill everything in a big box around her and can perma disarm stuff.

@@benzosk2604 perma disarm stuff only onskill*(she doesn't block and one cycles anyways so it's useless) zuo le being one block is a non issue when he can easily obliberate crowds if one tries to leak through AOE skill range only matters for occasional versatility, 95% of the routes in this game include a straight line Hell if blaze/gavialt was praised for wallhacking then zuole should be praise for being able to do the same

​@@slonik0002 Its 2.2k DPH with S3 which is even enough to exceed through Patriot DEF

Isn’t he saying “faster”, which would be correct? I can’t hear fasten at all, tbh…

@@slonik0002 The text on screen has Fasten, at least from what I saw.

CC text says "Faster" and is also audibly "Faster". You reading this on mute?

​@@wolfvermillion1729Ah, didn't notice that. You're right then!

She can buff damage +25%+20 aspd of any op in range, great for buffing. She can also stall for 30s, great for stalling boss in advanced content, where blocking isnt recommended. As a bonus, She also has higher hps than blemishine, has shelter effect & can regen enmity by talent. Basically a top tier buffer+staller+ healer for only 1 squad slot or 9 hope cost for e2 6* ( on IS) Zou le is great for normal content but, like any enmity ops,struggle against buffed enemies commonly found in advanced content like cc, TFN or is difficulty 15. Heck, for normal content his damage is kinda average for 1v1 & only good for horde (s3)

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​@@frauflaw100edibleorganicco9 After all, unless you really need that tp shenanigan, better use someone who has a real deal. Rice paddy only exist if she heals someone, which obviously means enmity ops can only wait for someone to share the paddy. Even further than that, the hps of that paddy is less than Skalter. And you even thinks +25%, +20 ASPD is something big. Bro, again, unless you need that tp, Aak gives twice as much, Warfy gives 4 times as much of the buffed ATK. No +ATK talents, unless you rich af and able to put 3 Suis in your squad, then you got +12% atk, which is still less than Saria's +20% ATK. In terms of tanking, Saria also has a solid 15% dmg reduction, not like those 15% Sanctuary that only reduce phys and arts dmg, plus a solid +35% ATK, +30% DEF for more healing. Who's the one coping here now eh?

​@@congnguyennguyen2494Who has a better deal than TP? Unless you need to keep someone on a specific tile for some range, 30s of denying the enemy from moving beyond 2 tiles with almost 50% uptime is crazy, especially in a massive range with no target limit nor RNG. Also, a +25% ATK buff and +25 ASPD buff is huge. That's up to 56% more DPS for everyone in range, which is less than the specific ops you mentioned, but in return has a vastly easier set up, uptime, and affects everyone in range compared to 1 target. Skalter's ATK buff also isn't as high as warfarin or Aak for many units yet still remains a top tier buffer simply because she buffs a group with a far simpler set up (along with other bonuses). Saria's +20% ATK is only for herself, while Shu's is for *everyone* without any setup or being deployed. And even without the buff, she still has similar HPS to Saria thanks to her seeds. And again, she surpasses Blemishine's HPS with her S3, which is an insane metric that only a few operators are capable of even to this day. I will admit Saria is a better tank thanks to her defensive module, which Shu doesn't have yet, but in a general playthrough both are perfectly fine tanks, and when the going gets tough neither suffice for pure tanking - which is where Shu wins by making the enemies never reach you in the first place, eliminating the need to tank.

@@congnguyennguyen2494 rice paddy exist as long as shu isnt retreated, so its easy to just use fast redeploy to extend its range. 1 thing that en overlook is that the paddy field can be extended by deployin fast redeploy-> shu heal frd-> extended paddy field-> thus more tp field for shu s3 Can warf & aak stall + heal+ shelter at the same time as buffing ops? Warf buff is random & dangerous if the buffed ops is under attack (cuz hp loss). Heck warf cant even function as decent healer cuz if u want to use her as buffer then only buffed ops need to be in warf range (cuz random targetting) so other unit cant be healed by her. If u want to use her as a healer, then her random buff may be wasted Aak's buff without Shining is almost unusable on ranged ops. Heck even with shining, any def debuff or - def risk in cc also make it unusable even for melee unit. Again as i said, Shu's buff is completely safe & usable on all condition without any strange downside while she herself is a complete package (buffer+staller+ healer) Beware incoming Saria slander: Saria is powercrept by shu bruh, CN already agree on these. Whats +119 def & +120 atk from saria's talent 1 gonna do against supperbuffed enemies on advanced content? Heck those +atk def need 100 sec & even with module still useless for advanced content. Those +atk def is also nerfed on - def & -atk risk so not so useful eh? Meanwhile shu's talent 1 can be used against any - stat risk on cc Saria's dmg reduction is just her archetype's module so shu can also get that. That aside, shu's shelter+ regen is for anyone on her paddy field vs saria's self dmg reduction, any sane doctor can tell that the former is more useful Saria need to choose if she want to be healer (s1 or s2) or buffer (s3). If s1/s2 she cant buff, if s3 she cant heal offskill. Her s3 also has long cd. Meanwhile shu can heal just by her paddy field & her s3 stall any boss or enemies for 30s, with only 45s cooldown. Can saria stall any boss on advanced content like cc max risk or IS difficulty 15? Oh no she cant lmao, even against elite mob she struggled on those kind of content Not powercrept huh? 🤭

He’s strong and a very good op but compared to the modern phys powerhouses (Degen, Typhon, Ray, Mlynar, etc) he doesn’t hit as hard, has smaller range, and being an Enmity op is more sensitive to stat changes than they are.

Basically same tier as executor alter, good ops for casual use but struggle against advanced content. Generally enmity ops is bad against thing like cc's statdown or superbuffed enemy on IS Oh also zuo le is spam heavy so maybe a little bit weaker than executor alter?