Jimmy doesn’t know that flashing your gun is potentially a crime

Jimmy was really talking out of his ass.

I love the "shoot him in leg" argument. Only spoken by someone who has never been attacked or shot a gun.

Anthony was correct. Jimmys point of view was reliant on too many logic fallacies.

lol, Ant just keeps explaining to Jimmy why he's wrong, and Jimmy just keeps repeating the same emotional nonsense.

Jimmy's argruement sums up to: Zimmerman should have known he was dealing with a wild animal and never got out of the car, and once he did he deserves what he got, especially because he got attacked from behind. Think about it, Jimmy's argruement only makes sense if you are dealing with a wild bear. Civilized people don't and never should have to watch thier backs around eachother. How can he blame Zimmerman for getting caught off guard and still say Trayvon is not a criminal? Again, his logic only works if you replace Trayvon with a wild animal.

This is not an hour long debate. This is a three minute debate on loop.

In 2009, Roderick Scott walked out the front door of his NY home after hearing noises at 3am. There had been reports of vehicle theft in the area and he found himself facing a group of 3 suspicious teenagers. Scott, carrying his .40 caliber handgun, confronted the group and told them to wait for police to arrive. It was then, when 17 year old Christopher Cervini began charging forward to attack Scott when Scott fired 2 shots, killing the teen instantly. Scott was later acquitted of manslaughter charges when a jury found that he acted in self-defense. This is in spite of the fact that NY has no stand-your-ground law and Scott was never physically harmed. This case is an almost carbon copy of the Zimmerman case with one glaring detail, *Scott was black and the dead teen was white.*

Nothing Jim Norton said in this hour actually matters.

Yea so when you're being followd by someone (who might be armed) its always a good idea to sneak attack them rather than get away from the person. Come one people use your common sense

Dumb ass thought he'd blindside some citizen for the fun of it, and got himself killed. That was private property Travon was prowling around on, he didn't have any legitimate reason to be there. Then when Zim was messing up his plans for stealing some stuff Travon decided to mess him up, Zim had every right to defend himself. You don't have to let a animal beat on you.

"Nobody would approach you with a gun pointed at them." Don't assume the rest of the world is as cowardly as you, Jim.

Each time I start writing a comment pointing out Norton's insane logic, he says something that tops the last idiotic point he made. I wouldn't even know where to begin pointing out how wrong Jimmy is in every way possible.

I love both these guys, but I couldn't disagree more with Jimmy or agree more with Ant on this one, because Jimmy's logic seems to come from a place of ignorance in regards to both common sense and the law, while Ant's reasoning is based solely on those two things. One of Jimmy's main arguments here is that Zimmerman was at fault for the incident escalating to physicality because he had a gun, and according to Jimmy, anyone who is armed should never find themselves getting their asses kicked when they could have just showed their attacker that they have a gun before the fight even started. Here's why that's wrong: imagine you were a concealed weapons holder, and one day, you found yourself in a situation where you suspected another person might try to fight you, so you showed that person you had a gun and convince him/her that starting a fight is a bad idea. Yes, that would eliminate the possibility of a fight, but then that person could call the police on you, at which point you would be charged with brandishing a deadly weapon, which is a first degree misdemeanor. His other main point, that it was Zimmerman's fault Treyvon attacked him because he shouldn't have been following him in the first place, is also completely incorrect, because it ignores the fact that they were both in a public place, and that Treyvon had as much of a right to walk around the neighborhood as Zimmerman had to follow him. You are never entitled to privacy in a public place, and, no matter how much you may want to be left alone, no one is required to give you any privacy. In a public place, you can follow someone as much as you want and still be well within your rights. You could walk 2 feet behind someone while goosestepping and making fun of their weight, and you wouldn't be infringing on their rights or breaking any laws. If they would like you to give them some privacy, they can try to convince you to go away, or they could escape to a private place, or if they were worried you might try to harm them or otherwise infringe on their rights in the future, they could call 911. But no matter how much they want to be left the fuck alone, physical assault is never justified. No matter how his actions may have been interpreted, Zimmerman never did anything wrong when he chose to follow Treyvon, just as he was not at fault for being unprepared for a physical altercation. I'll never understand how someone could find themselves in a perfectly legal, non-confrontational situation with another person like Trayvon did with Zimmerman, and find an abrupt jump to violence like that to be a perfectly reasonable reaction.

Jimmy is talking as if this was some choregraphed play lmao. Things happen in real time you can't do all this perfect ideal stuff.

You know when Anthony is cursing, that he is extremely serious, confident, and generally well informed on subject matter at hand.

Jimmy should've repeated the same point a few more times. 875 wasn't enough

I'm glad that Jim changed his mind as the trial went on. His views right now showcase what happens when you listen to the news and believe everything they say without any research.

Jimmy's take is shockingly bad

Jimmy is clueless

this is the best discussion i have heard on the topic.

Listening to Jim argue is so infuriating. How he pitter patters around his main argument without just driving the nail in pisses me off...

Awesome description.

Where is the Bob Kelly rap from? it's amazing

"burglary clothes" people can't wear hoodies out in the rain now?

It’s funny, the Media only picked this case to spotlight because they assumed Zimmerman was a white guy.

I'm surprised Ant didn't mention that George Zimmerman WAS correct in his assessment of what kind of person that he was alarmed by. No he wasn't a house thief, but he WAS the type of person to assault someone for nothing. Being followed? Gosh, thank God Trayvon didn't live in a metropolis... people are behind you all the time.

Zimmerman made the mistake of thinking black people are like black bears when they are really more like grizzly bears or polar bears. Act accordingly.

"show him his gun" you don't just brandish a gun unless you're life is threatened and if it is, then you're shooting, you never just show it.

U can tell Jimmy has zero experience with firearms

How hilarious is it that the whole "getting beaten up by an unarmed stranger who doesn't realise you're carrying" thing happened to Ant with a streetwalker and led to his firing? Then Jimmy gives him kudos for not going full Zimmerman and admitting he wouldn't have had the same restraint. Feels like time travelling how we get to chuckle at the irony of an otherwise insignificant political conversation.

...and every time i hear him say "these assholes they always get away" i just feel in my gut that he was prepared to do something foolish but thats just me

The segue from Jamie Foxx to Trayvon is startlingly fast

Zimmerman might have over reacted but he was legally sound. Martin escalated the situation and paid the price. The entire thing became a gun debate too which pisses me off.

I LOVE THIS SHOW!!!

Great debate

I wonder how norton would react in a similar situation he seems to think of himself as an expert on the subject.

Love Jimmy having an argument that isn't the discussion... yes Jim... cops are better trained than normal people. The first time he said it an Anthony agreed. He didn't need to keep going for 15 mins.

It's illegal to brandish...

Why didn't Treyvon just respond to George with kindness and explain what he was doing? I bet he'd be alive today if he had not responded violently.

Trayvon did not have to go home. He could have walk around that neighborhood 20 times if he wanted to. He has the right to walk around with being harass. I have been follow before going home, it is one of the most scariest things ever. And my first notion is to not let this guy know where I live! THAT WAS NUMBER 1!!

They’re always going to get skittles and sprite. That doesn’t mean he’s innocent.

Jimmy blaming the victim is sad. I like Jimmy, but his take here is terrible.

That Bobby Kelly rap lol

Opie was playing Candy Crush for the first 30 minutes.

Incredibly topical, current situation.. very polarizing.. everyone had an opinion.. Opie was silent the entire time. He added literally nothing to this show on a daily basis.

There's a giant hole in this story. I would like to know what happened before the altercation. I know if someone is following me, I'm turning my defenses up 100%, I don't know if he is going to assault me or not, but I'm running full speed away from that person.

hahahah. It just got way funnier that Jimmy said to Ant, "I don't see you getting caught in a situation where a guy doesn't know you have a gun on a dark street and starts hitting you". Well, he was right about the "guy" part.

I don’t think Jimmy was qualified to follow that stolen bus

you better be ready to listen to jimmy's argument

Regardless of who you agree with, this conversation is a million times better than any discussion you see on the news with people yelling over each other

Jim talks himself into a corner like 5 times

I know right.

Listening to Jimi talk about how George Zimmerman should have handled himself with a pistol is aggravating. This is obviously a New York dude who's never carried a gun or handled one does not understand the law you can't just brandish it at somebody he wouldn't have his hand on the gun it was concealed in the first place is not wearing it on his hip like a cop. Weather Zimmerman should have been in that situation in the first place is a whole nother story

Jimmy, I love you to death, you are amazing (And I know jimmy will NEVER see this) But if you pull your gun, and show it, it's called Brandishing, and is a crime.

13:53 - Jimmy: “he’s not in the wrong for having a gun, or for profiling…he’s in the wrong because he got attacked” blaming the victim.

"Gun Balls"

Good news: ya cant flim flam the zim zam

Who wouldn’t love to see the whole thing made into a movie with Trayvon played by Kevin Hart and Zimmerman played by Carlos Mencia?

Fast forward a year later, knowing Ant was armed and his confrontation in Times Square, and the fact that he didn't show his gun like Jimmy says GZ should have, shows Ant was absolutely correct, and why Jimmy should never own a gun. Now... I wish Ant wouldn't have gone on Twitter.... but still.

Wow. Jimmy said he should have drawn his gun immediately more or less. The fact he didn’t shows that he was in the right. You know a great way to show you’re not a threat? To call the cops yourself or to say politely to the guy “hey man is everything okay? Why are you following me?” Not to beat his ass

i know thing cracks me up is when they mention ice tea n skittles like food choice has anything too do with behavier lol..... what if he had a cheeseburger and fries think that woulda made him more menacing lol

It is hard to know if Ant is being driven here by Irrational "I want to shoot everyone" Gun Nut Anthony, or if it is Irrational Racist Anthony.

I love Ant's comedy, but his inability to accept at least some of Jimmy's argument is crazy. There are only two people that know what happened that night, and one of them is dead and can't tell their side of the story, so any opinion, speculation, scenario, or theory from an outside party is going to be littered with that person's bias. What I think happened that night...a battle of egos gone terribly wrong. Both people wanted to be a hero(in their own right)...Zimmerman wanted to catch a criminal, and Martin wasn't going to be punked by some white guy. We were/are teenagers at some point, and are influenced by coolness and peer pressure...and when we look back, we realize how goofy we were trying to earn stripes for some dumb reason. Everyone is a genius when looking back at a mistake and thinking "damn I could have done this instead of that".

Zimmerman should have fired two warning shots in the air to let the other guy know he's serious!

10:39 Oh how the turn tables. Lol stupid Ant “Yes, that could happen”

Jimmy is a conditioned goof.

These guys are THE TRUTH! I luv em.

Based on what we knew GZ shouldn't have been convicted, but I think it is very reasonable to think that the situation was escalated by Zimmerman. What Jimmy said in his hypothetical of TM turning and saying "Why the fuck are you following me?", or "Quit fucking following me" and GZ grabbed him, or told him he wasn't going anywhere, then TM started to pound on him at that point makes way more fucking sense than saying he blindsided him. I think most people would have been on guard if any asshole was following them around. GZ clearly was on a mission to make sure that TM didn't get away. GZ was a fucking dope no matter him not being convicted. The law argument doesn't bother me at all. Making it a race issue, or any of that nonsense is pointless. GZ stalked the dude, TM probably confronted him, and GZ did something that made TM think the guy was a creep, or was a threat to him. TM was beating his ass and GZ shot him. I find it extremely hard to buy that TM basically turned the tables on him and turned to start following him as if GZ had "given up" on his pursuit. Even if he did blindside him, if GZ never said why he was following him that is the perfect time to get a guy you think may be a threat to you away. Should TM have just run? Probably, but we really don't know how persistent GZ was in pursuing him. GZ was clearly a fuckign dolt that thought he was a hero, and fucked up. It's sad that it had to come to him killing the kid and that stupidity isn't a crime of some sort, but based on getting his side of the story and the spattering of witnesses he wasn't guilty of MURDER. He was guilty of being a stupid fuck with a hero complex and his stupidity resulted in everything. I'm sure he has to deal with being thought of a a murderer now b y many so there are consequences for his stupidity.

Jesus Jim following someone with your hand on your gun? really?!?

Trust me you can't change the mind of someone whose trying hard not to get cancelled!

anybody with a hoodie and non-white is shady

For anyone here who is defending Jim's opinion....did any of you actually see the pictures of Zimmerman's head when he was brought into the police station? Those pictures SCREAM "self-defense"....if those wounds had gotten any worse he could have easily died.

Jimmy is smashing Ant.

norton wrong on all points

Lol burglary equipment is a white hoody and some dress pants?

yes, u'r right, of course!

I don't even get what Jimmy's argument is here lol

9:04 THIS is the main problem with Anthony. He's a racist and he can't even empathize with someone who was being stalked and killed. Glad his career is over.

does a neighborhood watch guy have ANY authority at all? I mean, what did he think he could actually do?

everything Anthony says is on point, and Jimmy showcases his ignorance

How was Treyvon even to know he was a neighborhood watch?

Poor little Yimmy’s taint got stretched out from sitting on the fence.

Right... Treyvon certainly played no role in his own demise. Not saying Zimmerman isn't guilty of anything, but evidence does appear to show that Treyvon attacked Zimmerman first, out of nowhere.

You know Anthony wanted to call Jimmy a fucking moron a dozen times during this argument

Jimmy couldn't be more wrong

Didn't even know Opie was there until 34:00 mins in... It's too bad these guys didn't get paid by the word so opie would be as rich as he deserves to be which is not at all

Even though witnesses disprove George's account of the situation? The fight was on the grass, no head banging, no threat against his life. Just a threat against his pride.

Ironic how Jimmy tells Ant that he couldn't see him being caught in a situation like that, but a year later, Anthony "followed" a black chick, who then ran up on him and assaulted him and never did he even hint that he had a gun. I know it's MUCH different than TM and GZ, but it kinda goes to show that you just dont go to the gun in fear of something escalating, you go when in fear for life. I love Jimmy, but it's embarrassing how wrong he.

Anthony criticizes Jimmy for as he puts it "getting his news from the news", where does Ant get his information? No one knows what happened, why is Ant so sure he knows exactly how it happened?

Jimmy is confused by this because hes a coward

Zimmerman showed the gun, he shot Trayvon with it, Nortons point is moot.

The guy defending Zimmerman is pathetic.

Commonsense on either side could have avoided all of this. I don't think Zimmerman was some racist looking for blacks to murder, I think he was some incompetent Barney Fife with delusions of being an 80's action hero. Zimmerman called the cops and was told to let them handle it, which he refused to do like some dumb ass. Failing to have listened to the cops, this was still avoidable. Even if Trayvon were a thief, Zimmerman introducing himself from a safe distance would have been enough to detour most thieves, as their element of surprise was broken. You would think even an armed thief would walk rather than invite the attention a murder would bring, just so he could get caught breaking in a home right after. That said, Trayvon should have simply turned around and asked "Who the are you?", and explain where he was headed after seeing it was only neighborhood watch.

If you can't disable a knee, you shouldn't be walking around strapped

he called waaay more times than that and he was also arrested

would Anthony or Jim tell Martin family this infront of his face

Normally Norden is funny a.f., but this time his high voice and ignorant thinking makes me think he looks like a snail without his shell arguing with Ant. "Show him his gun first". GTFOH

I wonder what opie thinks about this

so you would have blind sided him? or do you not understand the difference between confronting someone face to face, and attacking them?