Damn two references in one

Sunny, ruining eggs isn't your fault. You have to let it go.

Nice lol

That's a nice argument Senator, but why don't you back it up with a source?

@@wkadams88 my source is that i made it the fuck up

Only after the events of snake eater

​@@dragon44048probably a little after, as Major Zero only officially started the Patriots organization with Big Boss in 1972. With him setting it up with the Philosopher's Legacy in-between. So it probably took a while to 100% control the presidency.

So is irl

​@@hominhmai5325 if you think that you're schizo

@@skellymen2395 u r not smart at all r u

I feel like that's something that never gets talked about. Solidus wanted his memory to live on as a heroic one, but in Revengeance, we see the Sears Program. His legacy is only that of his use of child soldiers, and that's it. He's not even really remembered for starting the Shadow Moses uprising. He's definitely not remembered as one of the first third party people to actively fight back against the Patriots. He's only remembered for being a psychotic warmonger who tortured and endangered children. Is it unfair? Probably not. But considering how much worse Big Boss was, yet the world still admired him posthumously, it does suck.

Adding to the tragedy that third party might be a sort of Patriot run party. Compared to the two others that actually aren't.

@@mercury2157 wait he started Shadow Moses?

PS2 has some good classic games tho still

@@mercury2157how was big boss worse than that

Not quite yet, but we are easily heading there.

I'd say the only "meme'd" villains from anything related to Metal Gear as of recently have too be the Metal Gear Rising villains who were mostly liked because the vast majority of people played that game before the Solid series of games that Kojima directed. Also, that game being completely over-the-top in action and most of it's story moments and character interactions is probably why it's still remembered to this day. Ten years after it originally released.

My guy you need to read and watch hiimdaisy's comics Let's Destroy xD "I AM THE BAWS TO SURPASS BIG BOSS, I AM THE BIGGEST BOSS, BOSS, BOSS, BAWS!"

THEY GOT MAH EYE

​@@zion6680CHECK OUT THESE TENTACLES *WIGGLE WIGGLE*

⁠@@breadbucket66 “VAMP, GO!” “HAH!”

Funny how he ended up like his pseudo-father, Venom. A man forgotten.

Great catch there, I thought Capitol Hill in NYC sounded odd.

Solidus: Who is Venom anyway? Ocelot: *Who knows? Not me. I never lost control...*

@@drunk_famasmf5135 Ocelot: Oh, he's your uncle who was retconned in to fix a plothole. Solidus: What?

i honestly always thought solidus made armstrong a more interesting villain when stacked up against the rest of the series. both were government officials who despised the state of their own country and it’s politics but took action in different ways

if they ever make sequel to Metal Gear Rising they should bring back some themes connected with Solidus, like another of his student or something as main antagonist

i always thought they should turn sam into a cyborg like gray fox to bring him back and have him fight Raiden using Solidus's swords in a friendly bid to get his Murasama back@@jacek107ify

and that's exactly why Solid is the true good guy, not Solidus

@@esteboi3858 at least Solidus fought for democracy though, Armstrong fought for Social Darwinism. obviously there are parallels but Armstrong's position is intenable compared to Solidus'

They had no reason to think they had a brother with advanced aging running. Plus its not like Big Boss ever dressed like a president. The lack of eyepatch, more formal hair, and just the circumstance of it all likely left the Snake twins maybe being perplexed for a few seconds before moving onto what is actively plaguing their lives.

In the right circumstances, you couldn't tell your own face. Also consider that Solidus's aging rate was faster than Snake's by that point; while Snake looked like he might be in his forties, Solidus looked to be in his sixties. Would you know your own face if it were aged by twenty years?

They show a presidential portrait of him several times during the game. He didn't look anything like Big Boss during his presidency.

I put it down to the "Clark Kent" effect. They weren't looking for a brother/Big Boss clone as the president. Plus, we've established that people can't recognize people as easily as we thought. Charlie Chaplin, Dolly Parton and so on all lost their own "Look alike" contests

​@@hk1371Solid and Liquid are stated to have genius-level IQs. It's possible Liquid picked up on who the president was, but simply didn't care, same as Solid. Going off of the Ocelot call from the MGS1 re-releases, it COULD be possible that Liquid was among those who didn't know Solidus was a clone. Regardless, it probably doesn't matter. When Liquid's persona supposedly takes over Ocelot, he doesn't pay much mind to Solidus. He doesn't try to retaliate for being used as a vector for FOXDIE and instead just sets off to try and hunt down the Patriots. Solid also just doesn't care when he encounters Solidus before the Barrier fight, and Solid would know better than anyone that Solidus looks like Big Boss.

He was in two games actually. Pretty important in MGS4.

@@HonerableG I guess I was thinking in terms of active characters. I loved the character design, suit, backstory, voice acting, dialogue, motivation, you name it. I even based a custom Soul Calibur creation on him. In MGS4 he was mostly used as a decoy/spare parts for Big Boss and I noticed the blinded eye, so it foreshadowed part of the ending for me (Kojima, LOL). It was just disappointing that he only got his chance to shine in one game, considering he’s one of the snake brothers. 😎

@@bobbobson8539 I understand Solidus’ motivations and the tragedy of his existence, but I can’t forgive him for killing Olga and taunting Raiden about it.

​@@natethegreat7967 at the end of the day, he was still technically a villain. Gotta do some evil shit here and there (like recruiting child soldiers).

Which Yujiro?! Don't tell me..

​@@nomad155: Venom Yujiro.

@@MKDumas1981 Hanma?!

Think of it from a game runtime perspective. I don't know the MSX games well enough to comment, so let me compare _Solid 1_ with _Solid 2._ Liquid was introduced, if not counting the briefing, within the first few minutes of _Solid 1,_ and was shown at various points throughout. Even Ocelot was introduced around a fifth of the way through _Solid 1._ Solidus, on the other hand, was introduced in a post-credits scene in _Solid 1,_ but was never seen, and never spoke. He was completely absent for the first fifth of _Solid 2_ (as he hadn't resurfaced during the Tanker chapter), and wasn't introduced until almost halfway through the Plant chapter; other than the -Hind D- Harrier fight, he wasn't seen again until _Shadow Moses 2: Torture Boogaloo,_ then not seen again until the voice over and eventual appearance in the Pooper section of Arsenal Gear. After the RAY battle, Solidus gets some stage time until the scene becomes dominated by Liquid Ocelot, and Solidus is relegated to the same status as everyone else, listening and responding to Liquid. Sure, Solidus tries to shoot Liquid, but that's about it until the rooftop fight. Liquid, In _Solid 1,_ got the final car chase, and FOX-Die end sequence. When the rooftop fight is done, Solidus is never seen alive again, and doesn't appear at all until halfway through _Solid 4,_ where, arguably, he has more impact on the story as a corpse than he does in all his living appearances. Liquid, Ocelot, and Liquid Ocelot are much more dynamic villains than Solidus, to the point where an Ocelot of some kind is in all five and a half _Solid_ games, and Liquid appears (in an argued living state) in three of the five and a half, and even gets significant time in 4 as Liquid Snake, with the discussion of his genetics. Solidus is introduced, chopped up, chopped up some more, then basically forgotten.

It's possible Liquid met him. In MGS1, he complains that Big Boss always called him inferior. That doesn't really seem in character for Venom. Big Boss, however, was a massive prick in his later years. They probably met when Big Boss returned to Foxhound.

@@mercury2157 that doesn’t aline because liquid was captured by enemy forces during that period. But also it’s unlike big boss to flat out disrespect a soldier like that. Stuff like this is why Kojima wanted to remake metal gear 1, 2, and solid

"George, what do you think About child soldiers?" Solidus: WE NEEED MORE OF THEM Jack: wtf

Raiden was repressing those memories to the extent that he has amnesia regarding all of it. A self induced amnesia.

​@SamsarasArt not entirely self-induced. The Patriots stuck him with neural implants that Solidus infers were there to mess with his memory.

If you're paying attention when the body is burned, you can see the left eye is destroyed instead of tge right.

​​@@logion567somehow I feel like that's less subtle than Third Sun

Raiden didn't choose to become a cyborg. He was also forced to by the Patriots.

this is this and that is that

@@MetiNotTheBadGuyMETI. PLEASE. YOU CANT KEEP DOING THIS TO ME. ( actually yes you can please do )

Mgs 4 was strange.. mgs 1 2 and 3 are the best.. and liquids voice is not in mgs4.. so many things are wrong in mgs4

Jaffa, Kree!

@@wizkidgamer9942 Shal'kek nem'ron

*was 😔 rest in peace, John Cygan

Buddy I got bad news for you

@@SeanBonJoviii my bad I thought it was solid not solidus

Solid and Liquid already have different voices. The three Snakes have different sets of genes, different habits, and were raised in different places. Snake is also a heavy smoker, while we're given zero implication that Solidus smokes.