Orbital Rings

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Isaac Arthur

Isaac Arthur

7 жыл бұрын

The Orbital Ring is a type of launch-assist system that goes beyond moving small ships and crews into space and allows cheap movement of bulk cargo up to space, into orbit, and beyond.
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Sergey Cheremisinov, "Sirius"
Kai Engel, "Endless Story about Sun and Moon"
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Markus Junnikkala, "A Memory of Earth"
Dan McLeod, NeptuneUK, "Mysterious Universe"
AJ Prasad, "Staring Through"

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@Puddin-Tamir
@Puddin-Tamir 7 жыл бұрын
One day he will be remembered for making these ideas tangible for the average person to be able to comprehend. For that you will earn a permanent spot as a futurist/ visionary in our society. Thank you so much for you work
@vincentcleaver1925
@vincentcleaver1925 7 жыл бұрын
King Weaverbe- Isaac Arthur, the man who sold us the Moon, the Solar System and everything!
@Ari-nw3qy
@Ari-nw3qy 6 жыл бұрын
100th like.
@robertgraybeard3750
@robertgraybeard3750 4 жыл бұрын
@@Ari-nw3qy - a bit more than two years after posting, 7.6K likes.
@rayjukenl3497
@rayjukenl3497 4 жыл бұрын
Really though. He’ll be a part of Internet history. An early adopter of the voice/video based Gutenberg revolution. Used it for cool shit
@KnowledgePerformance7
@KnowledgePerformance7 3 жыл бұрын
He's now on the Wikipedia list of notable futurists! That said he deserves a lot more recognition cause these videos are amazing
@berniesanders4966
@berniesanders4966 7 жыл бұрын
I am addicted to your videos. The only difference is that this is one addiction that I don't want to get rid of.
@caspermaster-com
@caspermaster-com 7 жыл бұрын
Its probably because the videos are performed in a very present state of mind, where clocktime does not exist, making it joyful and flowfull. Check out eckart tolle and his teaching for more zen and and mindfullness:) Its the best:)
@dfein001
@dfein001 6 жыл бұрын
Even videos that I don't think will be interesting end up luring me in and inspiring me!
@treasurehunter3744
@treasurehunter3744 7 жыл бұрын
Too bad you didn't use this line for the beginning: "Most launch systems can get colonists to the stars cheaply. Orbital rings can get civilizations to the stars on a busy day."
@prakadox
@prakadox 7 жыл бұрын
Nice one!
@treasurehunter3744
@treasurehunter3744 7 жыл бұрын
:D
@isaacarthurSFIA
@isaacarthurSFIA 7 жыл бұрын
That is a good one! I like the one we did hear but that's as good. I always have a problem coming up with those intro one-liners since introducing them, I like them but they're hard to come up with.
@pyrphoros8739
@pyrphoros8739 7 жыл бұрын
Dear Santa, This year i want an orbital ring. Because it is a big wish i will be my only one this year.
@1503nemanja
@1503nemanja 7 жыл бұрын
Have a relevant joke: A philosopher caught a goldfish and it told him it will grant him any one wish if he set it free. He agreed and asked it to build a network of six lane highways between the continents to bring the people of the world together as brothers. The fish said:"Oh come on man, that will take me forever, got any easier requests?" He thought for a while and said:"I want you to explain to me how the female mind works." The fish replied:"How many lanes did you want that highway to have again?"
@splitsecondscience9368
@splitsecondscience9368 7 жыл бұрын
1503 nemanja True true! NOBODY knows how the female mind works!
@ValaAssistant
@ValaAssistant 7 жыл бұрын
lol imagine suddenly a orbital ring pops up in orbit around earth xD
@barnabasigari3109
@barnabasigari3109 6 жыл бұрын
But could you put it in place please with already accelerated wires in it?
@thamasteroneill
@thamasteroneill 6 жыл бұрын
the wires are the first part you put in place
@barleysixseventwo6665
@barleysixseventwo6665 6 жыл бұрын
The idea of a Space Elevator has become too mainstream. We must come up with a more Sci-fi yet paradoxically more plausible method of achieving orbit!
@executormmm
@executormmm 5 жыл бұрын
Maybe a super reliable rockets that can make trips up and down many many times (like a Volkswagen golf)? At the end of the day the physics of flying a rocket is not so much different than this of driving an internal combustion engine - the only difference is the amount of research used in both technologies.
@tinldw
@tinldw 4 жыл бұрын
Nikolay Tanev a rocket would always require at least an order of magnitude more energy than a non-rocket launch system (at large enough scales)
@bobinthewest8559
@bobinthewest8559 4 жыл бұрын
I think we should just use a giant sling shot...
@naveenarora6467
@naveenarora6467 4 жыл бұрын
I think if we drill thru the Earth from the poles and use gravity and electromagnetism to accelerate towards the earths magnetic centre and then pass thru it and use electromagnetism to repel the centre to reach orbital speed and beyond.
@ufuker5754
@ufuker5754 4 жыл бұрын
@@bobinthewest8559 skyhooks and railgun combo is big win you can even add scramjets in middle
@marginbuu212
@marginbuu212 2 жыл бұрын
Imagine being a member of the North Sentinel Island tribe or any uncontacted tribe in the Amazon and looking up and seeing an orbital ring one day.
@gertwillems4456
@gertwillems4456 7 жыл бұрын
Three rings for the Elven kings under the sky, Seven for the Dwarf lords in their halls of stone, Nine for Mortal Men doomed to die, One for the Dark Lord on his dark throne...
@Dylnsgames
@Dylnsgames 7 жыл бұрын
Gert Willems does that make man said Dark Lord?
@gertwillems4456
@gertwillems4456 7 жыл бұрын
I thought the argument was here: the more rings the better so I guess not. But anyone can have his own idea about this.
@badbeardbill9956
@badbeardbill9956 6 жыл бұрын
Build a ring on Earth, the Moon, Mars, Venus, Mercury, Ganymede, Callisto, Titan, and then one on Europa...? That would be nine, and thanks to entropy we are doomed to die.
@drewmadenew3000
@drewmadenew3000 5 жыл бұрын
Congratulations! You are the nerdiest comment on a nerdy video! You win the day
@ufuker5754
@ufuker5754 4 жыл бұрын
One for the sun 3 for jupiter uranüs and neptün i skip satürn because i dont think post and long lived like elf do not destroy beuty for gain
@dustinsmith8341
@dustinsmith8341 7 жыл бұрын
It's like a belt to keep our space pants up.
@isaacarthurSFIA
@isaacarthurSFIA 7 жыл бұрын
That... is actually a strangely appropriate analogy.
@luciephilip
@luciephilip 7 жыл бұрын
Dustin Smith Do my poles look big in this ring?
@noahegler9131
@noahegler9131 6 жыл бұрын
We don't want to hear about how big your pole is, +luciephilip.
@WelcomeToMyDream
@WelcomeToMyDream 4 жыл бұрын
Maybe the best joke I've seen among the many great comments here at SFIA! Many thanks for the excellent laugh, Mr. Smith!
@sehr.geheim
@sehr.geheim 4 жыл бұрын
Damn girl, are those space pants...
@ZlyDuhh
@ZlyDuhh 7 жыл бұрын
Man, i'd love to play a strategy or a sandbox game with all the technologies discussed on this channel. From humble rockets, to space fountains, to moving freaking planets and suns. Kind of KSP on steroids. One can dream!
@badbeardbill9956
@badbeardbill9956 6 жыл бұрын
Stellaris kind of has megastructures... but moving stars isn't something that's all that common. Heck, so many sci-fi franchises, stories, games, etc. don't even take into account the fact that they are already moving.
@randomnerd4211
@randomnerd4211 5 жыл бұрын
I think the real problem is capturing the true scale of things, such a game would have an immensely long period of just waiting for your things to get anywhere (Such a game would probably lack FTL) But once you start going, you're likely to snowball wildly out of control, and enter a whole new phase of gameplay as colonies on the fringes of your fledeling empire revolt, and you send immense Siegeships (The term I have for interstellar-capable warships, as such a thing is most likely a titanic behemoth meant to function as a one-ship-fleet for very obvious reasons) hurtling through the void to counter them, explore the larger galaxy and find the ancient remains of dyson swarms, ecumenopoli, star-lifters, and more. Uncover the secrets of the universe, transcend beyond the organic bodies you started with, and ultimately, explore beyond your galaxy, massive probes flying off into the void, extensions of your mind as you set your sights on Andromeda, the Magellanic clouds, and the void itself. Got off on a tangent there, the idea is just so amazing, and I hope for the day that such a game comes into existence.
@floo1465
@floo1465 4 ай бұрын
@@randomnerd4211stellaris
@pussywran
@pussywran 7 жыл бұрын
I'm waiting in an airport with a one hour lay over. just perfect timing for to watch this
@crazyahhkmed
@crazyahhkmed 7 жыл бұрын
Shawn Barbour see, if we had the rings you'd probably be where you were headed already.
@ancapftw9113
@ancapftw9113 7 жыл бұрын
crazyahhkmed What if he was going to the moon? Then it'd still be a day or two.
@Puddin-Tamir
@Puddin-Tamir 7 жыл бұрын
Shawn Barbour safe travels
@NoDuurr
@NoDuurr 7 жыл бұрын
AncapFTW as opposed to not even being able to go at all currently?
@ancapftw9113
@ancapftw9113 7 жыл бұрын
Lost Desire sure we can. you have 100 million dollars on you, right? I was just pointing out that once we had it, we can travel so much further, it's ridiculous.
@woodenscrotum7892
@woodenscrotum7892 7 жыл бұрын
I wish that there was a 4X game that contained all these fancy constructs, and not just some entry level stuff
@Molb0rg
@Molb0rg 7 жыл бұрын
yes, would be nice
@lordcirth
@lordcirth 6 жыл бұрын
4X requires conflict, which requires that civilizations can't just spend centuries expanding in their own solar system with no need to fight others.
@fightingtypegymleadermicha1539
@fightingtypegymleadermicha1539 6 жыл бұрын
stellaris has some, but they suck in that game the dyson sphere pisses me off
@barahng
@barahng 6 жыл бұрын
lordcirth Make it like Pharaoh then
@joyempire462
@joyempire462 6 жыл бұрын
The dyson sphere in stellaris is pretty Op. It gives you 1000 energy which is significantly more than you need even if you have every other megastructure
@Drew_McTygue
@Drew_McTygue 7 жыл бұрын
The Rolls Royce of orbital assist! ive been looking forward to this one Isaac, you're amazing!
@isaacarthurSFIA
@isaacarthurSFIA 7 жыл бұрын
Yeah its kind of our mid-season climax :)
@Puddin-Tamir
@Puddin-Tamir 7 жыл бұрын
Drew McTygue he said climax
@Drew_McTygue
@Drew_McTygue 7 жыл бұрын
King Weaverbe he did, but I'm reasonably sure that his mind wasn't in the gutter.
@Darker7
@Darker7 7 жыл бұрын
I didn't know Rolls Royce had that good an performance :Ü™
@AlexKnauth
@AlexKnauth 7 жыл бұрын
How do the non-equatorial rings work? Wouldn't Earth rotate beneath them, since their angular momentum vectors have to stay fixed?
@farawaywayfarer7685
@farawaywayfarer7685 7 жыл бұрын
If you like it orbit a ring around it
@idorenyinsawak9459
@idorenyinsawak9459 7 жыл бұрын
FarawayWayfarer brilliant
@fischX
@fischX 7 жыл бұрын
#insertmamajokehere
@luciephilip
@luciephilip 7 жыл бұрын
FarawayWayfarer hahahahahaha
@blackmephistopheles2273
@blackmephistopheles2273 6 жыл бұрын
+FarawayWayfarer All the Single Planets...all the Single Planets! All the Single Planets...all the Single Planets!
@ChrisBrengel
@ChrisBrengel 5 жыл бұрын
"'Cause if you like it, then you shoulda put a ring on it" Beyonce - Single ladies So, if humanity likes the earth...
@joepelletier6694
@joepelletier6694 7 жыл бұрын
These new animations are amazing!
@defaultname9214
@defaultname9214 7 жыл бұрын
Seriously! I've been listening to everything on soundcloud and I was suuuuper surprised at how great the visuals here were lol
@auregamer5
@auregamer5 7 жыл бұрын
except the broken stars at 24:00 thats hard to look at.
@peachtrees27
@peachtrees27 7 жыл бұрын
That's not a bug. That's a feature!
@twilightcitystudios
@twilightcitystudios 7 жыл бұрын
Feature for what software? After Effects? It's only the one I could think of.
@isaacarthurSFIA
@isaacarthurSFIA 7 жыл бұрын
Blender presumably, I actually screwed that up, a few animations I did don't have the right frame rate for the video's 25 fps, I didn't see that epileptic siezure on them till the video rendered, and we were up against deadlines, so I replaced them all but missed one.
@fjdkfjdk
@fjdkfjdk 7 жыл бұрын
Two massive things I didn't see addressed... First, an orbital ring is essentially a giant gyroscope, and has a massive amount of angular momentum associated with it. If you're placing it in a 'fixed' non-equatorial orbit, you'll need to spend a ton of energy 'fighting' that angular momentum to keep it rotating with earth. In a polar position, you're completely changing direction every 12 hours. Second, is electromagnetic induction. When a magnetic field and a metal(even if non-conductive) are passing each other at high speeds, you get very significant resistance. For example, if you drop a magnet down an aluminum tube, it drops significantly slower than it should. If you do this with a conductive tube, the effect is even more pronounced. Essentially, your levitating platforms and tethers will induce large drag forces on the spinning part of your ring.
@cc1095
@cc1095 7 жыл бұрын
fjdkfjdk I agree on both points, but don't understand the "changing direction every 12 hours". Can you explain? It seems, to me, you'd need lots of solar energy to overcome the magnetic drag. Any extra could actually be used to accelerate the ring even faster. But how do you add momentum to the ring when the shell is being constructed and dragging it slower? Maybe booster rockets could be used temporally. Issac Arthur, a construction description would make a good video!
@fjdkfjdk
@fjdkfjdk 7 жыл бұрын
Calculating the energy required to keep a polar ring fixed to the earth while spinning is somewhat complicated(would earth eventually start spinning end over end? - see angular momentum demonstrations with person on swivel chair and a spinning bike tire), so it's easier to approximate using a lower bound approximation instead. Let's say you have a ring in a polar orbit that is fixed to the earth, and spinning at a fixed speed. Take a snapshot of the angular momentum now, and then take another snapshot 12 hours later. The angular momentum vectors will be facing in opposite directions, because you've had to rotate the ring 180degrees to match earths rotation. Angular momentum is a conserved quantity, so there are no shortcuts. No matter what path you take to get there, the energy you use to move between those two states is going to be greater than or equal to the energy required to completely reverse the direction of a ring that was not spinning. Gyroscopic precession doesn't help much either, because that's driven by gravity acting downward on the whole gyroscope - planets do not start wobbling when they slow down for this reason, unlike a top. As for magnetic drag... what a mathematical can of worms. I'm not sure how to even approximate the drag force, so I'm in the dark. So much depends on the design and materials used for both the ring and the supporting structures. It's a huge problem from a design perspective, but it may be solvable.
@bitcoinisrael1000
@bitcoinisrael1000 6 жыл бұрын
If you have a structure housing two separate rings orbiting in opposite directions, then the structure as a whole has no angular momentum, and you should be able to rotate it without that much trouble. Isaac briefly mentions in the video that you want several separate rings, and you want them in opposite directions.
@rollieroulston
@rollieroulston 5 жыл бұрын
2 electromagnetic rings moving at double the orbital velocity relative to each other extremely close together, I don't see that being a solution, any instability in the ring structure would have them colliding. He doesn't do construction details because most of his recent videos border on LARPing, no technical details, handwavium and rambling prose make up the content, rather than anything scientific or concrete
@coreymicallef365
@coreymicallef365 5 жыл бұрын
@@rollieroulston it's pretty simple, you get one ring up first, build a stationary platform capable of holding 2 rings and then set up the second ring orbiting it in the opposite direction of the first.
@deathdoomdarkness6124
@deathdoomdarkness6124 7 жыл бұрын
I very recently discovered this channel and was completely blown away. Congrats on 100k, Isaac! Some of the best content on KZfaq!
@isaacarthurSFIA
@isaacarthurSFIA 7 жыл бұрын
Thanks, and welcome to the channel!
@90lancaster
@90lancaster 7 жыл бұрын
Speaking of which - regarding the subject of which of Isaac Arthur's themed series makes a good gateway for new viewers- Upward Bound is good - it has pretty animations and a generally more TV show like feel to it it's more practical and less philosophical than the Fermi Paradox shows are - but that said if someone was into psychology I'd totally recommend them. His shows about Aliens are sometime funnier though. I'm still plugging away though so I'll see how I feel once I've completely caught up.
@smorrow
@smorrow 6 жыл бұрын
You didn't "discover" shit, we were all here first.
@ekaterinavalinakova2643
@ekaterinavalinakova2643 7 жыл бұрын
Happy Arthurs Day! The space elevator gets a lot of attention, I'm glad you are sharing these alternative visions which could make space travel more affordable.
@aserta
@aserta 7 жыл бұрын
Because media is composed of simple minded people. With about as much scientific interest and competence as a fish.
@hedgehog3180
@hedgehog3180 7 жыл бұрын
aserta I mean even Space elevators are outside the mainstream. When the main stream thinks about sci-fi they probably imagine something more like Star Wars.
@Headlock123456789
@Headlock123456789 7 жыл бұрын
aserta Hey! That's not very nice! Fish aren't THAT stupid.
@tbestig4164
@tbestig4164 7 жыл бұрын
Orbital rings are one of my favorite topics you've talked about so far, excited to watch this video!
@michaeldiebold8847
@michaeldiebold8847 4 жыл бұрын
I love how positive this is. We are told the earth is ended, people are broken, and there is no hope from our own destruction tendencies. Than you come along and show how practical science and engineering with real world concepts can keep humanity moving forward. Its refreshing thank you.
@morbid1.
@morbid1. 7 жыл бұрын
"'Cause if you liked it, then you should have put a ring on it"
@isaacarthurSFIA
@isaacarthurSFIA 7 жыл бұрын
I am going to have to work that into some episode, you're the third to make that joke and it still makes me chuckle :)
@deadpiratetattoo2015
@deadpiratetattoo2015 7 жыл бұрын
this is the best channel on youtube. Asimov would be all over this.
@holdenmarkymark33
@holdenmarkymark33 2 жыл бұрын
This is one of my favorite episodes, and I come back occasionally to refresh on the details. Great work, and thank you!
@YoSomePerson
@YoSomePerson 7 жыл бұрын
So I'm like 9 minutes in and thinking: This seems like something we theoretically could actually build... Unlike other concepts where we lack the required materials. Gotta watch more to find out...
@YoSomePerson
@YoSomePerson 7 жыл бұрын
I seriously hope this is Elon Musk's long term plan. Make Rockets reusable. Start mining stuff in the solar system. Then build an orbital ring. I mean this seems like something you could build similar like the ISS. Build a few thousand standard modules. Stick them together like legos in space. Once you have the ring bring it to the desired speed. It would cost a lot but the benefit would be huge.
@stefanr8232
@stefanr8232 7 жыл бұрын
My impression was Blue Orgin focusing on earth orbit and Spacex focusing on Mars. If the rockets are really reusable they should be able to launch ring pieces instead of exploring Mars.
@Molb0rg
@Molb0rg 7 жыл бұрын
just make by any means a base (without humans) on the moon add a pinch of automation and teleoperation of equipment make that happen medium.com/p/robots-replacing-human-in-future-e8de498fb34d and make as many rings as you like.
@thealmostfreerunner
@thealmostfreerunner 7 жыл бұрын
stefan r You do have to have somewhere to go in order for this to be worth the cost. A mars colony is definitely somewhere to go.
@vSimCO
@vSimCO 7 жыл бұрын
This looks to be a possible concept, the biggest hindrance would probably be material (quantity) and getting that stuff into space so I think Moon + Asteroid Mining would come first this would make materials a lot cheaper than they are currently and would put a lot of materials in space. The thing is we actually have to get space travel with rockets to that point before making this leap. This also avoids and geopolitical concerns that could impact a project like this.
@antipoti
@antipoti 5 жыл бұрын
These ideas are better than 99% of sci-fi content. Why is nobody writing books or making movies based on these concepts?? It would be a fresh, scientifically plausible and amazingly cool setting for any story to involve basically ANY of the tech explained in Arthur's videos! Maybe I should write one. :|
@oberonpanopticon
@oberonpanopticon 6 ай бұрын
People do, you just don’t hear about them because they’re niche.
@ChrisBrengel
@ChrisBrengel 5 жыл бұрын
"I remember some years back before I started the channel I used to play with _more extreme forms of megastructures_ …not the ones we’ve covered on the channel, *those are all basic ones, even the solar system sized ones…* WTF? Seriously? I can't even imagine! I thought you were pushing it about as far as it could go already!
@greenben3744
@greenben3744 3 жыл бұрын
Yes! I have no idea how to push these even further. I would really like an episode on the more bizarre ones. Like, what does he drop next? He already told us how to land on the sun and build a civilization in their cores!
@joaoneves9772
@joaoneves9772 7 жыл бұрын
This is by far the best youtube channel i ever stumbled upon. If anyone ever deserved being promoted from youtube to prime time on cable it is you. Keep up the great work!
@TheArgusPlexus
@TheArgusPlexus 7 жыл бұрын
Ya know, every week I say to myself "Wow, that was the best video I've ever seen" And every single week HE PROVES ME WRONG :D This episode was the perfect ending to this series, and the renderings were impeccable! Much props to the animation team!
@hedgehog3180
@hedgehog3180 7 жыл бұрын
In the original episode I somehow got the impression that they worked via electromagnetics and used the Earth's magnetic field to stay afloat. I'm glad you made a second one because that cleared it up for me.
@jackvernian7779
@jackvernian7779 7 жыл бұрын
+hedgehog3180 unfortunately you can't use earth's magnetic field as an object to push off of. You can create impulse using it, that's true, but you can't float on it.
@madhijz-spacewhale240
@madhijz-spacewhale240 7 жыл бұрын
Orbital Rings: jusss Dyson swarms next week: YUSSS I know this gets said every episode but I love you and your content and as a request for the 200K subscriber video: How about you give us some examples of those crazier ideas you mentioned around the 25 minute mark.
@ns2358
@ns2358 7 жыл бұрын
Your channel is amazing! After studying physics with a specialisation in astrophysics most documentaries get boring. But your videos and the level of detail and accuracy is way out there! Keep them coming!
@prakadox
@prakadox 7 жыл бұрын
Ok. all the others take a bow. The big daddy of the orbital launchers is here :) Very nice episode, Isaac. A good introduction to a truly significant concept. This one, like the interstellar highways one, creates that sense of perspective change, after which the questions are inverted from "why should we do this?" to "why shouldn't we?/Why aren't we?". It just seems logical, civilization wise, after seeing these. Or, maybe that's just me and the few people here. So, what do the crowd here think the most probable sequence seems to be - Lofstrom loop > Moon foundry > Moon mass driver > Orbital ring or Reusable rockets -> asteroid foundries -> Orbital rings ? ( Please come up with your own sequences. needn't be exclusive either) If there is enough mass in the asteroids to create these, then we might not need to trouble the moon yet. Topic request - Clearing out space junk.
@isaacarthurSFIA
@isaacarthurSFIA 7 жыл бұрын
We will get to space trash eventually, I've enjoyed upward bound but I kinda want to get back to the further future and Fermi Paradox topics, they've been getting a bit neglected with our focus here.
@lolsflint7598
@lolsflint7598 4 жыл бұрын
17:22 Having 2 or 3 moving rings per orbital ring platform would decrease the load on the individual rings, and also make it possible for a larger platform allowing for stations where you can land and take off from, essentially becoming spaceports.
@Coypop
@Coypop 7 жыл бұрын
I got a drink and a snack and Issac didn't even have to ask.
@lewismassie
@lewismassie 6 жыл бұрын
I could never figure out how to keep an orbital ring stable. Once you explained how to suspend the outer ring over the inner one, it clicked in my brain. I saw some really cool stuff as my mind put this knowledge to work, but it still wasn't as cool as what was in the latter part of this video. This is a video I think I will be mulling over for the rest of my life
@user-od1fj5io6t
@user-od1fj5io6t 4 жыл бұрын
Great video, orbital rings are the best option we have imho and we can start to build NOW. Some points/thoughts: a. Unfortunately, as mentioned, if you want sationary anchors gyroscopic effect restricts earth orbital rings in equatorial orbit with anchors/stations along the equator OR polar orbit with anchors/stations only at the poles (or both). b. We can collect all the space junk/old satt's in an orbit to utilise as raw material for an orbital ring. c. Orbital ring has not to be an actual continous solid ring to work, it can consist of segments of indicidual sattelites/ring parts that individually maintain a precise orbit with the help of propulsion like traditional ion thrusters. The more segments are close to each other and the more mass they have the better, but we can start with significantly less mass than for a solid ring and then scale up. d. Neither the sationary enclosing ring has to be monolithic and solid around the whole orbital ring. In fact It can exist only "above" the anchor points e. Magnetic induction is not an issue (as was mentioned in the comments), on the contrary it will be utilized, the whole ring/enclosing ring anchor support will work as the rotor/stator of a linear motor, stator can be actively driven so that it maintains a stationary position above the anchor, tranfering the forces to the rotor segments as they pass through it.
@disorganizedorg
@disorganizedorg 6 жыл бұрын
The notion of commuting to orbit reminds me of the opening scenes of the film "Heavy Metal" -- especially in light of the Falcon Heavy launch this week.
@rrcczz
@rrcczz 7 жыл бұрын
Imagine using them to work in another country.
@palebluedot7435
@palebluedot7435 7 жыл бұрын
Catwow lofstrom loop
@pered5
@pered5 7 жыл бұрын
And if we spun it slightly faster than orbital velocity we could literally INCREASE tension across the planet.
@pered5
@pered5 7 жыл бұрын
I sure spun up some pun there! No? Okay I'll go away.
@palebluedot7435
@palebluedot7435 7 жыл бұрын
pered5 ok see you next time around
@johnrivers5934
@johnrivers5934 6 жыл бұрын
"i'd like to say the sky's the limit as far as orbital rings go, but that would be a gross oversimplification" Isaac Arthur: concepts so big you can't talk about them without destroying the English language.
@christopherlawrenc_
@christopherlawrenc_ 7 жыл бұрын
Just finished the Upward Bound playlist. What a great and well thought out series. Very well done. I'm looking forward to the other playlists. Keep up the good work!
@Ari-nw3qy
@Ari-nw3qy 6 жыл бұрын
I love your outward bound series. You manage to say all of the facts yet your videos are still captivating. You also make sure to tell us new ways we could solve many of the challenges with the idea and clear many of the misconseptions associated with the concept.
@AlaskanBallistics
@AlaskanBallistics 7 жыл бұрын
this is such a good idea I've watched it 3 times
@AlaskanBallistics
@AlaskanBallistics 5 жыл бұрын
4 more times
@saad_ghannam
@saad_ghannam 7 жыл бұрын
I miss the good old days when this comment section used to be full of interesting discussions instead of all these generic Arthursday comments
@Molb0rg
@Molb0rg 7 жыл бұрын
join FB
@saad_ghannam
@saad_ghannam 7 жыл бұрын
Molb0rg I deleted my Facebook account a few years ago.
@Molb0rg
@Molb0rg 7 жыл бұрын
yeah, then more search trough comments, good people they still there, maybe reddit or create thread on 4chan, post there a link, i would like to participate ))
@peterpoulsen4794
@peterpoulsen4794 7 жыл бұрын
This is one of the best and well thought out videos you have made yet. I really love the idea about orbital rings. Ohh and 100k subs. Congrats! Well deserved.
@alexhorwick2772
@alexhorwick2772 7 жыл бұрын
Finally finished my A-levels and come home to this. Never felt so much joy! Thanks for the amazing video.
@ilikemorestuff
@ilikemorestuff 7 жыл бұрын
Thank you Isaac & team :)
@VIIflegias
@VIIflegias 7 жыл бұрын
100K of us ! congrats Isaac!
@trolllord3656
@trolllord3656 7 жыл бұрын
Thanks for making these videos Isaac Arthur. I work in Abu Dhabi where the workweek is 6 days from Sunday to Thursday. Your upload schedule is perfect, comes out just when our one-day weekend starts. Gives me something else to look forward to every week.
@martythemartian99
@martythemartian99 5 жыл бұрын
Issac explains these concepts so well, I find I can just listen to the audio while doing work, and still get a lot from the lecture side alone.
@merinsan
@merinsan 7 жыл бұрын
If orbital rings became a reality, I could imagine the entire population (or a large portion) moving into space and living on the ring, while the earth itself became a nature reserve/farm.
@marrqi7wini54
@marrqi7wini54 4 жыл бұрын
It would need to be a large ring. Like far larger than shown. In fact, you'd need multiple. Besides why just the ring. You could put people on rotating habitats in higher orbit of the earth, moon and further if space become an issue.
@lazaruslong697
@lazaruslong697 7 жыл бұрын
Ahhhhhhh, what a lovely fix for my worst (as most severe) and best (as least harmful) addiction! Arthursday, finally! :D
@gerardvandergraff7031
@gerardvandergraff7031 7 жыл бұрын
Congratulations on the 100000 subscribers! Keep up the good work. Your channel is one of my favorites. You produce good videos containing interesting, well thought out topics and the production quality is great for a one man operation.
@LiteBlack101
@LiteBlack101 7 жыл бұрын
This was a fab episode, so many possibilities from such a relatively straightforward concept. From a story writing perspective, it'd make for some really interesting settings and possible situations. Thanks so much for explaining things clearly in such detail!
@mahdinejad
@mahdinejad 7 жыл бұрын
Happy Arthursday everyone!
@barnabasigari3109
@barnabasigari3109 6 жыл бұрын
we should say Arthursday instead of thuesday
@dougbarlow1409
@dougbarlow1409 7 жыл бұрын
Arthursday! I got to say your videos are always so good I've gotten in the habit of hitting the like button before I've even watched the episode.
@fatetestarossa2774
@fatetestarossa2774 7 жыл бұрын
me too
@terrynielsen4832
@terrynielsen4832 6 жыл бұрын
I only hit the like button on two of them. I thought I was liking the series. Guess I'll have to watch them again and hit the button this time!
@CuriousGeorge1111
@CuriousGeorge1111 10 ай бұрын
Fantastic! Mind blowing yet plausible idea--so much fun to think about. Thanks and all the best.
@pitbull21ish
@pitbull21ish 7 жыл бұрын
Hey Isaac. been watching your videos for a long time now. i love your channel, someone who actually talks about this in detail and puts so much care, time and research in all of this. this needs to be seen by everyone! this could boost our civalisation so much. keep up the videos, i'll be supporting you until the day i die. :)
@TroyEagan
@TroyEagan 7 жыл бұрын
this needs to be implemented.
@aramiris
@aramiris 7 жыл бұрын
one of the best episodes
@hamentaschen
@hamentaschen 7 жыл бұрын
I honestly look as forward to each of your videos as I ever did with each episode of Breaking Bad, and The Sopranos before that. Way different content, but every bit as fulfilling. And as always, well worth the wait! Thanks for the bonus episode this week. And again congrats on 100k!!
@TheDom800
@TheDom800 7 жыл бұрын
That intro / outro music gets me everytime.. it's perfect for the subject matter.. another brilliant video, Arthur! :)
@mrEofPlanetEarth
@mrEofPlanetEarth 7 жыл бұрын
i love that intro music...
@jasonoliver6170
@jasonoliver6170 7 жыл бұрын
I'm doing a PhD with the ATLAS Experiment and Thanks for re-invigorating my imagination! Looking forward to more and more content!
@daviddanssaert1560
@daviddanssaert1560 7 жыл бұрын
Awesome video, Isaac! Congratulations on your 100k subscribers! The quality of your videos has improved considerably over the years and the buildup to this topic was incredible. I've never Patreoned before, but I'm looking into yours right now. :)
@TheOneWithComments
@TheOneWithComments 7 жыл бұрын
I've been waiting so long for this one. You didn't disappoint. Thanks for doing these videos they keep me inspired.
@kraken-sx2ys
@kraken-sx2ys 7 жыл бұрын
ArthurThursday again! love your channel! since im finaly at my computer again (afther a while) im going to join Patreon (since i was not able to on the ipad) love your channel :)
@ShaunHusain
@ShaunHusain 7 жыл бұрын
kraken1122 your thumbnail had me blowing on then rubbing my screen thinking it was an eyelash..... if that was your intention, well played.
@Strideo1
@Strideo1 7 жыл бұрын
Shaun Husain Me too.
@robglenn4844
@robglenn4844 7 жыл бұрын
I spent about ten seconds trying to get it off my laptop screen lol! Then I scrolled down and felt a little silly as the thumbnail moved with it...
@CSX-fp9xk
@CSX-fp9xk 7 жыл бұрын
I am sitting here with an huge grin on my face after watching your video. This is such an amazing concept! Now I am a bit sad for we will never get to see these kind of structures in real life but I am really glad we can at least think and talk about them. Onwards and upwards people!
@rigelbound6749
@rigelbound6749 7 жыл бұрын
CSX 6400 The amazing thing here is that you don't know that. The technology required to build these already exists, and if the average lifespan continues to grow, you might actually see it.
@CSX-fp9xk
@CSX-fp9xk 7 жыл бұрын
Well it might be possible but it unfortunately is not very likely. I do hope I get to witness conventional spaceflight (with rockets and stuff) really take of though.
@ukeyaoitrash2618
@ukeyaoitrash2618 7 жыл бұрын
you mean, like the space astronauts going to the moon next year? I am hopefull for seeing that take off long, LONG before I die, and also probably a (small) permanent moon and/or mars base. :)
@sithlord906
@sithlord906 7 жыл бұрын
great video as always Isaac Arthur. it's well researched and explained to the audience as always man great job :)
@AG-pm3tc
@AG-pm3tc 7 жыл бұрын
You're videos give me hope in life, and i kind of need that right now. and the prodaction value is getting really high, i truly enjoy the intro music and some of the visuals.
@Regnilse
@Regnilse 7 жыл бұрын
I'm still a bit confused on how you would construct a ring at a different inclination. I'm good with how to do it equatorialy and I know you can do the same thing at say 30 degrees but I'm not sure how would you match the ring to the planets rotation so you could attach a cable to the surface.
@Molb0rg
@Molb0rg 7 жыл бұрын
Probably could be done by using atmosphere, like water anchor. However, yes one of the unnecessary problems.
@KevinSmithGeo
@KevinSmithGeo 7 жыл бұрын
Yes, I've been wondering that too. Keeping an inclined ring stationary with respect to the planet's surface would require continuously changing the plane of the orbit. That requires applying a lot of force very carefully.
@Molb0rg
@Molb0rg 7 жыл бұрын
+Kevin Smith may be actually and advantage, to accelerate the rotor, extract energy from Earth rotating.
@krisztianpovazson4535
@krisztianpovazson4535 7 жыл бұрын
I wondered about that one, too, then I realized that the cable is on a multi-axis orbit, and the maglev track is just floating.
@badbeardbill9956
@badbeardbill9956 6 жыл бұрын
It'll just rotate with the Earth... might be a bit dangerous though when first being set up.
@user-zj8jn3hs6f
@user-zj8jn3hs6f 7 жыл бұрын
would the elliptical rings work? the orbital speed change in elliptical orbits whereas a circular one would have a constant one. that would mean that a cable wouldn't work and you would have to build a high-amperage particle accelerator, right?
@Jondiceful
@Jondiceful 7 жыл бұрын
I dreamed up something like (extremely crude in comparison) this once, but I had no idea if it was possible. Now I know that it isn't only possible, it's far more exciting than I ever dreamed possible. Thank you for sharing this awesome idea! I hope we all live to see something like this built.
@hupekyser
@hupekyser 6 жыл бұрын
I cant fall asleep without Isaac Arthur. I know that sounds like I find these videos boring and also it sounds creepy. But Im addicted to having this guys voice send me to sleep. amazing work. you are the best content creator on youtube
@kamel3d
@kamel3d 3 жыл бұрын
What kind of material that could handle being made as 100klm cable and being suspended without breaking?
@gablaw9490
@gablaw9490 3 жыл бұрын
Kevlar, Zylon, carbon fibre or carbon nanotubes
@ciannorris3736
@ciannorris3736 3 жыл бұрын
If you want to know more about this real engineering went into a lot of depth about materials that could do this basing it off of a research paper and building upon those ideas
@themadrobot
@themadrobot 7 жыл бұрын
It seems very unstable as it would behave like a chain wiping out around a obstacle as it runs through heavy sections of platform applying force to it; retaining this would create stupendous amounts of heat. And now I think, the moons tidal forces would be hellish on it. The concept is great though it leaves a lot of questions as to the supporting mechanics, especially as to what will stop it from stretching like a rubber band as iron usually dose
@Molb0rg
@Molb0rg 7 жыл бұрын
Correct, however, it is an overimplifyed visual representation of possible engineering solution.
@themadrobot
@themadrobot 7 жыл бұрын
Active support platforms on the other hand, what with there relatively small scale are reasonably realistic.
@Molb0rg
@Molb0rg 7 жыл бұрын
"small scale" Watch Cody's Lab tay pie video - the same end - timelapse. The main problem with active structures is reliability, not the scale, as for my opinion. It is possible to make them reliable, but we do not have that tech yet.
@pbonline1977
@pbonline1977 7 жыл бұрын
congratulations Isaac, 100k subscribers. I am still engrossed by your amazing science storytelling and vision. Lets hope, like you stated, we will conquer death itself so we can see all vision come to fruition. cheers, Peter
@SarabandeGreens
@SarabandeGreens 7 жыл бұрын
Friday has become my new Isaac Arthur day as a general rule, as I have to come into town to get online these days, but I just happened to need to come in this morning and you posted it just in time for me to watch before getting my bus home. Day redeemed.
@PetstoUwU
@PetstoUwU 4 жыл бұрын
Xenoblade chronicles 2 brought me here. Thanks for the explanation.
@hockeyfreak896890
@hockeyfreak896890 3 жыл бұрын
I thought I was the only one lol
@DG-mk7kd
@DG-mk7kd 2 жыл бұрын
Low end estimated cost is $2 trillion and high end is $80 trillion. Sounds like a lot but the US alone squanders that kind of money on bank bailouts, covid panic, pointless wars, or welfare boondoggles
@FalloutConspiracy
@FalloutConspiracy 4 жыл бұрын
This has to be one of the best channels on KZfaq. These videos are fascinating!
@logsupermulti3921
@logsupermulti3921 7 жыл бұрын
You don't know how long I've been waiting for this episode, so excited.
@LukeSeed
@LukeSeed 7 жыл бұрын
should be the plan for Venus colonization
@AndDiracisHisProphet
@AndDiracisHisProphet 7 жыл бұрын
that's an awesome idea!
@badbeardbill9956
@badbeardbill9956 6 жыл бұрын
Just build a shellworld over Venus. I'll build my own planet! With blackjack! And hookers! Okay, no blackjack and hookers, but definitely a new planet! (Actually, it is Venus, so maybe the occasional... well, nevermind)
@arnouth5260
@arnouth5260 7 жыл бұрын
Do a video on hive mind aliens
@isaacarthurSFIA
@isaacarthurSFIA 7 жыл бұрын
We probably will
@arnouth5260
@arnouth5260 7 жыл бұрын
Isaac Arthur various types? Like natural and artificial (borg or something)
@Dylnsgames
@Dylnsgames 7 жыл бұрын
Someone 1282 that's a great idea! Hive minds have always interested me, and I'm curious how one would have to adapt if one were to spread to the interstellar scale
@luciephilip
@luciephilip 7 жыл бұрын
Someone 1282 If you like that idea, you may have read, or would like to read Peter Hamilton's Commonwealth series. Terrifying hive minds! en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Commonwealth_Saga
@SailorBarsoom
@SailorBarsoom 7 жыл бұрын
How about hive minds that aren't bad guys? Instead of _Star Trek_'s "bionic zombies" they could be... IDK, gods or something. They'd probably seem pretty godlike to us.
@EdwardWinstonBear
@EdwardWinstonBear 7 жыл бұрын
I posted the link to this one and the channel as a whole over at Baen's Bar. Considering all that can be done with these things, I think the threshold has just been raised for "awesome." Thank you, Isaac and collaborators.
@charlesadams6022
@charlesadams6022 7 жыл бұрын
This has been my favorite episode so far. Orbital rings seems like such a good deal, we really should be starting one now.
@SoberGin
@SoberGin 7 жыл бұрын
When you see a video go up but you have to do something in like 5 minutes =(
@Pimpmedown
@Pimpmedown 7 жыл бұрын
Someone who dislikes the video please explain me why you did that! I seriously want to know (wont be offense or anything) I really dont get it thou. Either you are into those videos then you HAVE to like them or you are not into them and then you dont watch it. Its high quality content, easy to understand and so much indepth like no documentary ever will be. So whats bad about this? If you look for lower-level information then go search for documentaries. This guy is simply the next level.
@Rockets2024Champs
@Rockets2024Champs 7 жыл бұрын
Fick Dich probably some flat earther
@Pimpmedown
@Pimpmedown 7 жыл бұрын
oh yeah right... always forget those people even exist - thx for the sad reminder
@kokofan50
@kokofan50 7 жыл бұрын
There are, also, the people who call humanity cancer and want us all to stay on Earth and die. We can't forget the luddites who just hate technology more advanced than the 18th century; although, that would be a little ironic if the disliked the video.
@Pimpmedown
@Pimpmedown 7 жыл бұрын
Thats actually a really good point
@stefanr8232
@stefanr8232 7 жыл бұрын
Could be a sloppy mouse. On touch screens you can accidentally click something when you are trying to scroll down. On laptops you can hit the mousepad with a palm when you are trying to type.
@VinBiofuel
@VinBiofuel 7 жыл бұрын
That cello from the Sirius track at the beginning and end always sends shivers down my spine.
@blakejohannes7102
@blakejohannes7102 7 жыл бұрын
Thank you!!! I requested this awhile back, and you delivered. Shared 👍🏽
@splitsecondscience9368
@splitsecondscience9368 7 жыл бұрын
These structures are weally, weally, weally big :)
@OtherTheDave
@OtherTheDave 7 жыл бұрын
Split Second Science And span many national borders... I wonder if the geopolitical issues or the engineering issues are bigger?
@CH3353N1NJ45
@CH3353N1NJ45 7 жыл бұрын
Gundam 00 anyone???
@badbeardbill9956
@badbeardbill9956 6 жыл бұрын
So many Gundam shows are more realistic than they have any right to be.
@jonslg240
@jonslg240 5 жыл бұрын
I love your videos dude. I'm just starting this one but I've seen 2 or 3 others since last night. Keep it up, man. These are awesome. You're awesome.
@pilotavery
@pilotavery 5 жыл бұрын
Your content is by far some of the highest quality content on all of KZfaq, and the captions make it convenient for my wife who loves these topics but rarely find good captions.
@iLLt0m
@iLLt0m 7 жыл бұрын
Too bad our budget is all military and they're the ones zipping around in space while we all live on mostly 19th century technology.
@Enthernal0
@Enthernal0 7 жыл бұрын
We're starting a new series based around Warhammer 40k. Next episode: Gellar Fields and protecting yourself from the horrors of the Warp.
@isaacarthurSFIA
@isaacarthurSFIA 7 жыл бұрын
As I recall you just stick a ton of gargoyles on the side of the ship to scare the other demons away.
@ENCHANTMEN_
@ENCHANTMEN_ 6 жыл бұрын
Isaac Arthur I think Mars has a big ring on it in 40k, though it might just use some sort of space magic to stay up.
@NamhadiNdemufayo
@NamhadiNdemufayo 7 жыл бұрын
Had an great week and arthursday is STILL the best bit thus far.
@iamscoutstfu
@iamscoutstfu 5 ай бұрын
I keep coming back to this video. This is such a compelling idea.
@jamesburleson1916
@jamesburleson1916 7 жыл бұрын
I'm honestly curious as to why there are no startups trying to get something like this going. The possible applications of an orbital ring are so far beyond what any other feasible tech can provide that it almost seems not worth discussing anything else. The worst part is that you won't get any government to help fund this, regardless of the benefit to literally every industry except maybe dentistry. Our ancestors will surely look at our time and wonder what on earth we were thinking not building this sort of thing instead of fighting useless wars over dwindling fossil fuel resources.
@isaacarthurSFIA
@isaacarthurSFIA 7 жыл бұрын
They're phenomenally expensive basically. It's like a freeway or train line, they save you money if your cargo needs are high enough but right now building one would be like building a non-stop bullet train line from Nome Alaska to Greenland.
@jamesburleson1916
@jamesburleson1916 7 жыл бұрын
I understand how expensive they are, and I certainly wouldn't expect the construction of one to happen very quickly, but the benefits of having such inexpensive access to space are worth so much more to the economy than the cost of the first ring. The industrial applications of zero G manufacturing alone are worth the investment, not to mention the possible advances in medicine and the biology of space travel. Then, of course, comes the easy access to the easy to harvest (once you get the infrastructure) asteroid belt and the potential bonanza of rare metals. I guess in my mind the benefits far outweigh the initial, albeit enormous, cost of construction.
@rigelbound6749
@rigelbound6749 7 жыл бұрын
James Burleson Nobody is fighting over oil (yet), what are you talking about?
@Molb0rg
@Molb0rg 7 жыл бұрын
+James Burleson, someone in the group shares a story of his conversation with one of the politics, do not recall the details but the result was the reaction of the Politic guy - wow, that's interesting. Do not overestimate them(and they write checks btw) they get the knowledge mostly from wishes of the public, so before they will vote for it as for a good idea, the general public should have the notion that it is a good idea.(not entirely so, but as rough picture) Also, reliability is an important factor here. Until we can't build them reliable, and prove that we can do them reliable it will be a dangerous enterprise. However space can give us a lot, even before rings or anything else which might replace rockets, reusability is a very good step which opens a lot of perspectives and allows to begin to build big after establishing manufacturing infrastructure on the moon and in space, and it allows to establish them.
@McCbobbish
@McCbobbish 7 жыл бұрын
James Burleson Airspace violations? I feel like just unilaterally building one of these things would get you some heat.
@Paulo-py4mm
@Paulo-py4mm 7 жыл бұрын
No offence, but with the current state of "space junk" this will never be remotely possible. And that really bums me out
@duckgoesquack4514
@duckgoesquack4514 7 жыл бұрын
or what if you can use said space junk, and build part of the ring with it :D
@cassgraham7058
@cassgraham7058 7 жыл бұрын
That's why 80 km is nice: there's still enough atmosphere to protect against most space debris
@jackvernian7779
@jackvernian7779 7 жыл бұрын
+Paul Aldrich Well then, I always wanted to clean the orbit up, maybe it's time to start a company devoted to that.
@krisztianpovazson4535
@krisztianpovazson4535 7 жыл бұрын
Stuff doesn't stay on Low Earth Orbit for long, there is still some atmospheric drag there.
@TalonSilvercloud
@TalonSilvercloud 7 жыл бұрын
A great end to the series. Bravo!
@jdlessl
@jdlessl 7 жыл бұрын
That is so cool. It's like a maglev train in reverse. The rail is moving, while the train is standing still. And hell, a 1000 tons is a lot, but the ISS weighs half that.
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