All of these dragons and trees sound like the end results of a magical arms race

Finally someone made an asoiaf theory with elden ring connections. The part of the story that George wrote for elden ring is basically high magic game of thrones and I am sure that there is at least one element that he used in both works.

LuciferMeansLightbringer was the first analysis I came across after reading the whole ASOIAF corpus back in the day, and I still follow him today. It would be my KZfaq of the year if you and David got together to share ideas. He's started speaking highly of your thoughts, too.

A song of Stuff and Ligtbringing collaboration would be really cool :) Keep up the great work

My German shepherd and I made it into a video! Nice! Thank you for the recognition :)

The order of the green hand talks about yin and Yang. I love their channel

I am so happy you’ve brought in the connections from Elden Ring! Excellent video :)

I have been waiting so damn long for a asoiaf content maker to cross examine Elden Ring 😂 thank you Michael

Heresy is not native to this world. It is but a contrivance, all things can be conjoined.

I hope you found out that the erdtree has corpses tangled into its roots. Not just Godwyn, but regular mortals that died and received the honorable ‘burial’ by erdtree. There are also murals depicting people being birthed from the leaves of the erdtree. You should check out tarnished archaeologist, he’s got several videos on these lore deep dives. I’d love to share with you what I know about Elden ring if you ever have some questions. A lot of the lore is left to interpretation but there’s a lot of context clues hidden around the map and with enemy/weapon spawns, file names and item descriptions

Look at you cranking out these vids. I feel like your output as came up recently, and I'm very happy about it.

O-and in the GoT prologue, freezing to death is described as falling asleep in warm milk.

Man I feel like I don't even need to read the last 2 books of ASOIAF after watching all your videos!

Ive watched a couple of your videos recently, they’re really good! I’ve watched a lot of David’s content since discovering him, he’s probably my favourite ASOIAF KZfaqr and think you guys together will be really dope, so really looking forward to that and your next few vids man, thank you 👍🏻

THANK YOU!!!!! I have been deep in Elden Ring lore, but I don't feel learned enough to connect it to GoTs, but my god are there parallels!! The Erdtree and Weirwoods parallel being parasitic in their lands and change the natural order of things.

David is always open to new ideas yeah I believe there will b sword of moonlight and it's opposite. Transformation and balance are key parts of George's story.

Hey Michael, love your ASoIaF content so far, you are one of the best theorycrafting channels I have come across. Imagine being me and getting ready to type about Elden Ring in the comments the moment you started to talk about the moon, and then you bring it up yourself. I'm going to second the recommendation to Tarnished Archaeologist, and ask that you make sure to watch all of his content thoroughly before diving deeply into more Elden Ring lore. One thing that I think is lost on many people when viewing Elden Ring's plot through a critical light is that GRRM likes to play heavily on characters in universe having incomplete information about their world and buying into propaganda that is fed to them throughout their life. Although most characters in the Elden Ring world view the Erdtree as a universal good to follow, it is actually heavily implied that the Erdtree is some kind of cosmic spore from outside of the Lands Between that grows parasitically through absorbing some form of life essence via its roots. There existed both an older World Tree that the Erdtree is implied to be a magical form of a cosmic strangler mushroom leeching off of. Through some kind of conflict thousands of years ago, the Erdtree was able to supplant every other form of Death (such as whatever tradition Tibia Mariners belong to) and position itself as a dominant world power. Then, through propaganda it was able to convince most of the Lands Between that the ultimate good is to feed the Erdtree via Erdtree burial, which is how it was able to grow to the height that it exists in the present time. This propaganda is so powerful that it seems to extend to most players who don't take the time to watch hours of lore content. I think when laid out side by side with the unified theory of what's going on with the weirwoods in ASoIaF, the parallels are too hard to ignore: Trees which probably came from outer space landing on a surface of a world, supplanting the existing world order, corrupting it for its own gain via blood/death magic (weirwoods taking over green magic), convincing the inhabitants of the world that this world order is ideal and must be maintained (the first men), and eventually slowly decaying the world into shit until they are ultimately destroyed and replaced (Ranni's ending/whatever a Dream of Spring is being built up to be). I hope that you are able to look into this theory with greater detail and bring more evidence from the book, or to come to completely novel conclusion yourself. Thanks for the videos.

There are a lot of comparisons with milk and water as well. Right down to the name of a river-the Milkwater. But man-ther are SO many moon-tree mentions that I can't even list them here lol. And stars. Falling stars. Dany has a lot of moonie stuff as well. Milky, moonie star stuff. THIS is a big undertheme to the entire story-just like the horses. You are right on-but I think the answers are within the books themselves. I do not think we will find the answers in real life science or history or anything like that. I see it like...GRRM took ALL these inspirations and made them into something new. Something that won't apply to OUR real world experiences-they are no longer ours in a way. I hope that makes sense lol OK-so Maegor and Aegon 4th both have strong Henry the 8Th flavors..but they are not Henry the 8th and neither will end like he does. The similiarties mean different things in THIS world he created. The stones might be part of a broken moon-facts. Looking at the map-you can see the impact zones. The stone drinks in light. And bits of it are scattered everywhere..with a few bigger chucks having landed in paces like Ashai. Ashai area-maybe a bit south of it-being the point of the biggest impact. The lands...you can see how they USED to be connected. It isn't JUST the moon...it is WHY did the moon come down? There have been many Long Nights throughtout the entire World history...and at least 2 in Westeros. Prolly 3...or 2 with the heavy start to a third at some point. In fact-one of those starts was Harren and Aegon. Harren was spreading like a frost across the land, killing everything. Aegon comes the day his castle is finished and ends him. Harren's brother was Lord Commander at the time. It is a small Long Night for the Riverlands. Aegon visiting in Oldtown? Him learning wtf Harren was up to, etc. Then Aegon goes home...and waits for an invite to invade. Aegon did not invade without an invitation. O!!! ANOTHER lowkey, long running major theme is guest right and INVITATION and doors. You are not wanted here is said several times by people...Meria Martell to Rhaenys is one of the times. Doors-Black Gate...Moon Door..HoBaW...what going through doors can mean in this story...and if you were invited or unwelcome. IN THIS world, I think the moon and sun were literally dragged into a fight between land and sea. And it just keeps repeating itself in crazy ways.

Thanks for the video! You're breathing new life into asoiaf discussion for me. Somewhat in relation to what you're saying about things falling to the earth and what not, I have always felt that the God's eye and the isle of faces looks like an impact crater. Call me crazy but I've personally been on the tree hivemind from space pill for a while now.

I watch your videos and lml and y'all are the best creators about asoiaf imo. I feel like both of your theories fit together really well. especially your theories about the wall and the whole system. would love a video with the both of y'all!!

Yes, but with a caveat. I think the two moons idea is a conflation of myths in the world's history. Granted it's fantasy so anything is possible. The only problem is that realistically a moon can't just be broken and disappear. However, if the regalith were disrupted or covered it would not reflect anymore and would only be detected as a shadow that passes in front of the stars. A single moon with both aspects does enough of the work to fill the role. Both light and dark, like a turning Yin/Yang. In fact you might be able to work a theory where what is referred to as the second moon is in fact the sun. The sun disappears and the second moon somehow catches fire and replaces it (in myth at least). Another way to interpret the Pearl Emperor and his wives is as the Moon and the weirwoods. Another however, it's also possible a myth was constructed to explain the Red Comet. A back story was created to explain what it is, and that story was that it was once a moon that was burned by the sun. In which case the Red Comet is the LoN and the moon the MMoL. The cloud of a strike obscured it being it hiding its face for a while. There may have been an event that transformed the moon, but I don't think it's necessary. I think it's enough for people to have made something up to explain what the Red Comet is, imagining it as the burning yolk of broken egg. To make the next part make sense I'll first address the sun. If there is a Lion of Night it's reasonable to assume there was one of day. If this was the sun then it's a golden lion, like the Lannisters. So the LoN would be either white or black, like the weirwoods. Although to be fair, I think it's more likely the Maiden Made of Light is the white side and the LoN is the dark (which buys into a Stargaryen baby idea). If it's two aspects of one moon, then a piece falling to the earth would also fit as a begotten child of them. The Others are white, dragons are black. Two mirrored Long Nights on either ends of the world. Two different aspects of the army of the LoN punishing the world from opposite ends. I think it may be possible a battle between the two was previously prevented with the breaking of the Arm of Dorne. The Yin/Yang rabbit hole is very interesting and you should check it's wiki. Bran is an alternate Asian word for Yang, or the White side of the pair.

Oh damn I can hear with in the first hour! Anyway I love this theory and I listen to your videos as I get ready for my day thank you for your work!

What if weirwood trees grew on moon 2.0 🤯🤯

6:05 loving the theme of this! 😊

I'm so glad you're making these videos. I enjoyed playing Elden Ring but I have struggled to get into the lore in the same way as I have ASOIAF theories because the magic in Elden Ring isn't interesting and I am only somewhat interested in its characters. But I still watch youtubers who cover this stuff and as someone who has listened to a lot of David Lightbringer, I have been endlessly astounded for 2 years that no one has filled this niche yet because there are SOOOOO many parallels.

I've never played the game either, but "Erdtree" is almost surely a play on the German word "Erde" (Earth) + Tree = "Earth Tree", if that helps it to tie into the lore at all. The same word is used in "Erdebeere", which means "Earth Berry", or "Straw Berry", as we call them in the Colonies.

hell yes dude. ive been thinking about making an elden ring/asoiaf channel, now youve beat me to it 😂

First! Also great video as per usual! I love that you’re talking about Elden Ring!!

12:23 NIN & the Crow is running through my head!! "Dead Souls ," Keeps CALLING MEEEEEEEEEEE!!!! '

There is something to be said about fire gazing. In Martin's epic fire vs ice scenario Melisandre as a worshipper of R'hllor gets visions by staring into the fire. These visions could be the past, but more often they are future tense of what is to come. She is a fire wight reanimated by R'hllor and contains fire within. All of the dragonstone could be simply the remainder of the "second" moon (technically first moon, but whatever) which after being sunk into the earth is reemerging through volcanic activity. Greenseers as worshippers of the old gods get visions by staring into the trees. The visions they get are not much about the future but very heavily about the past. This is could be why we, on earth, tend to stare into the moon. The Others are ice wights with the same immortality and bring cold with them. Just like obsidian, weir"wood" is brought to the surface but by the trees. So looking at the moon and looking at the fire have very similar properties, but from a different direction. Due to GRRM's fascination with sci-fi, I would not put it passed him to eventually claim that both obsidian and weirwood are remnants of two separate interplanetary ships being recycled inside the earth in different ways. And the dragons are descendants of one while the CotF are the descendants of the other. The Others are tools used by one ship and the immortal "demons" of old Asshai were the tools as well. Neither should be here.

One thing that comes up again and again in the books is how everything is connected. This theory ties a lot of things together in a way that makes sense. I look forward to more. I don’t know Elden Ring lore, or David Lightbringer’s theories on this. But one thing this reminded me of is Naruto. I can’t remember enough off-hand to make deep insightful connections, but I do recall that the author based much of his story around Japanese mythology. The moon figures heavily into it. Maybe I will go brush up on all that and have more to say. Bravo again for a great video.

very much looking forward to your next video!! I'm more well-versed in Elden Ring lore than ASOIAF, but the comparisons have had me in thrall for months, so I'm DYING to hear what a ASOAIF lore buff has to say about it! The opposite-parallel between the Azor Ahai and Nissa Nissa legend, and the Night of Black Knives with Ranni and Godwyn really fascinates me in particular.

4:14 I just imagine the 'Old Gods' at this point being Dr. Facilier; "You're in MY world now, and I've got friends on the other siiiiiiide"

There is this story for Martin where a space creature basically the size of an asteroid or small moon drifts through space and enhances and endows ppl with psychic abilities.something like this could be happening in asoif, it might just be a cosmic cycle that bring this "dark moon" close enough to their world to jump start an age of magic. But the meteorites do track with elden ring

My first thought was of the skinny weirwood in the nightfort grabbing toward the moon. Excellent video topic👍

Stoked for you and LmL

Looking forward to the livestream!

I believe there is a lost history concerning how significant the Vale was to the Firstmen, as well as its association with motherhood, a mother's tears for a lost child, and the moon along with the concept of fertility. The Andals stealing the mountains of the moon and the Eyrie is almost like stealing a child or heir symbolically, and the association with barrenness is as if the child is lost forever. The Andals would want to cover up locations Firstmen heritage because they may be guilty of a crime against the old gods. And the fact that the Royces are from there lends further credence to the idea that the Others would test to see if Waymar Royce is someone they are looking for based on their recognition of those people.

Maybe weirwoods are wight trees, and unlike normal trees sustain themselves on blood and moon light? Or they're like the moon in that they can shine in the dark (moonlight is reflected sunlight after all)

Still trying to get my head around your theory but in essence I think this is very clear. There are a few lines I think are very deliberately placed but are said so casually that they slip past. [Dany to Jon: I named them for my brothers] [Dany's vision in the house of the undying about three betrayals; once for love once for blood once for gold] I'm writing this observation or connection literally as it's coming to me so it might be ill-informed but this is where I've landed. Dany to Jon about her dragons: "I named them for my brothers" I think this is one of the biggest clues we have missed. [Khal Drogo: moon of my life Dany: my sun and stars] Drogon is the Dragon of the Sun. He is called The Winged Shadow; darkness. He is named for Khal Drogo, Dany's protector and light of her life, she rides the sun. His death was the first betrayal, once for love. Viserion is the Dragon of Gold. He is cream and gold in colour. Viserys sold Dany - the betrayal; and then died by molten gold, therefore, once for gold! Rhaegal is a little harder. He is green, not the colour of blood, but he is named for Rhaegar Targaryen who we know fathered Jon Snow, who we know is blood of her blood. We have yet to see Jon Snow betray Dany. Maybe she would see Rhaegar producing an heir as a betrayal as they would unseat her. Or, maybe after Jon and Rhaegal meet, they become bound and Rhaegal no longer obeys Dany, only Jon. She hatched them with blood magic, so if Rhaegal did go against his mother, that would be a blood betrayal If any of that turns out to be true: In relation to the age of weirwoods changing to the age of the moon, Dany would symbolise the moon. I have a gut feeling that to protect the realm she will have to sacrifice her dragons, maybe all three, but if she doesn't it will bring disaster.

I think the moon is just the only thing that glows white that our characters are familiar with.

So, it’s not just any moon that stands in for the world tree if you side with Ranni. It’s the second of the two moons that are in the games world, which is currently being hidden by the Lovecraftian outer gods

Your analysis is slightly different from David’s. Would be fun to hear you guys discuss. Here’s another interesting way to look at it. Drogo”my sun and stars” was kissed by Dany”moon of my life” directly before the dragons were hatched. I also had a wild idea a while ago about the long knight happening in Essos as well and that Dany would need to stay in Essos to deal with it.

Another great video. I definitely think the David Lightbringer thesis that meteors of some kind, possibly from a comet colliding with the moon or possibly a smaller moon that was destroyed, are the cause of the “long night” phenomenon(s) and many of the geographic elements of Westeros, and that they must be connected to the werewood trees, but the question is how exactly? And what about the Shade of the Evening Trees? They seem to be the mirror opposite of the werewoods, yet both are connected to the magic of this world. David has done videos looking at the Yin Yang symbolism and the notion of the smaller “seed”, one black and one white, usually depicted within the opposite color’s side, with the idea that each in a sense is responsible for generating it’s opposite. It seems to me likely that the oily black stone must either be remnants of a black meteor or perhaps petrified Shade of the Evening trees, and maybe those trees in some way come from a black meteor. I want to say the Weirwoods are some kind of organism that must have come from a white meteor. And maybe these two seeds represent separate “long night” events. We know Planetos has been inhabited by different races of humanoid creatures, the Children of the Forest and very likely the underwater “squisher” lizard/fish people, both of whom seem to have interbred with humans and seem to be linked to the idea of warging consciousness between different species, but we don’t know how humans fit into that, although warging from one human to another is bad somehow and seems to be facilitated by cannibalism (although perhaps always covertly, with Jon, Bran and Even Danny likely being fed human flesh without their knowledge) Valyria is said to have practiced blood magic that enabled monstrous human-animal hybrids and the origin of the Valyrians seems to include their link to the dragons somehow. We don’t know the origin of humans although there is this notion of “First Men” in Westeros and we are told early in the books of the Dothraki legend of the Womb of the World, a supposedly bottomless lake where they believe men came from, which looks like a meteor strike location to me, almost the opposite of the God’s Eye in Westeros where there’s a large island possibly full of green leafed Werewoods surrounded by water, which kind of makes me think that’s a meteor strike location as well. And the Dothraki hate the saltwater, and prophesize that “ghost grass”, tall milk white stalks that share the werewood symbolism, will one day cover all the earth. All of this to me seems to point toward these meteor/seeds being the generators of both life and magic, and possibly intelligence and maybe the mutation of life, in these stories and the seeds/meteors being the origin of these different factions involved in this story. I forget who it was, maybe the Disputed Lands or Company of the Cat, who pointed out that the Greyjoy House sigil of the Kraken, could be a misunderstood interpretation of underwater roots, maybe from the Shade of the Evening or Werewoods or both, and that this could be the origin of the Drowned God and possibly of water magic resurrection like with PatchFace, some kind of undersea root system that seems to have the ability to animate the dead in a fashion similar to the legend presented I think in the World of Ice and Fire where a werewood could be used to make a corpse’s head speak. To really understand what’s going on in these books all of that I think needs to be untangled. And finally there’s the great Chekov’s gun in the sky the comet that coincides with Danny returning dragons to the world and supposedly the next Long Night event, but was this comet summoned somehow or was it always going to be there at this time and everything the Targaryens were doing for centuries was in preparation for this comet, and have there been competing forces preparing for the comet and what do those forces want to do with it? Like the Andal takeover of Westeros with their religion of the 7, it seems to be a force working against the Targaryens thru their takeover of the Maesters and their likely attempts to exterminate the dragons, but toward what end. KZfaq analysts The Order of the Green Hand have speculated the religion of the 7 is a death cult unwittingly worshipping the Others, but if so, towards what end? All Men must Die? Aegon’s conquest of Westeros seems to have been motivated by Black Harren’s construction of Harrenhaul, a giant fortress right next to the God’s Eye. Did that represent the squisher-descended Iron Islanders (linked perhaps to the black oily stoned seed) trying to seize the upper hand against the white werewood tree/white seed forces vaulted at the God’s Eye? And if so towards what end, a return to squisher rule?! And how do the Rhoynar fit in to the story? All of these elements tie together somehow and they all involve that comet and whatever is supposed to happen with it. Will it be summoned to strike the earth or is it going to hit the planet no matter what? And are the different factions in the story either trying to make the comet come down or prevent it or somehow control the effect it has? These remain the questions of this very complex epic.

@michaeltalksaboutstuff Do you think the ghost grass is connected to a past long night? It's described a lot like a weirwood tree with the ghosts of the damned possessing it and in Dany III in AGoT there are a variety of grasses described one of which is described as red like "a sea of blood" which sounds very weirwoody. Ghost grass definitely sounds like a corrupted grass hivemind.

In Elden Ring, if you look up a night, sometimes the moon is just behind the erd tree. I suppose the imagery is similar. But about order and chaos: in elden ring, "the crucible" is defined by chaos. It's like ehat the tree magic was before the golden order took control. The crucible is associated with the color red. The golden order suppresses the chaotic nature of the crucible, but not entirely. Some beings marked by the crucible are still born. Even among godly lineage. And the moon in elden Ring is interesting. Because there are two of them. Or, perhaps a single moon with two aspect. One is the full moon, bright and alive with light, the other is the dark moon, associated with cold and frost. Specifically, Ranni is associated with the dark moon, and its frosty magic. But she also sees her world as something that is like order in a way. Not quite the order like gold brings, which is stifling. But order in a way that allows people to tread their own path. An order that allows for autonomy. I'm not sure if that's relevant to asoiaf, but maybe you can use that piece. Look into Ranni's version of the moon and her age, because I'm not communicating it properly. But I feel like something is there

I've always held to the simpler assumption that there was ONE cataclysmic event back in the mists of time with a meteor slamming into the moon causing the Long Night, Breaking of the Arm, Flooding of the Neck, devastating the Iron Isles, wiping out the Squishers and Essosian early civilizations, leaving oily black stone all over the shop, driving Children into underground networks, activating Valyrian volcanoes, dragons, Others (indirectly - and other stuff I forget off the top of my head). What's your main reason for going with multiple cataclysms?

Hey, quick question, what is the bastard name for folks from Lanisport or The Rock? (Lanister territory)

Love ya logic as always.. Oooo wonder if Grum is behind the whole colour scheme in elden ring, kinda similar to the colour schemes of various magic/gods in ASOIAF 😅 Also, ain't there a story in the bible about it rainin fire and oil? Sure other cultures have similar stories. Could explain why the rocks are called oily etc... Dlc for elden ring drops this summer so more lore to come...

On the matters of chaos, Elden Ring has a specific thing which is The Frenzied Flame - but I don’t think it is present or got any sort of parallel in ASOIAF, unless more with Euron? It fills in the game the chaos element against a system, maybe Euron touches on it a bit in ASOIAF. The Frenzied Flame is all about a mantra of let chaos take the world and in Elden Ring though it is about complete annihilation of everything to no longer create division. Suppose you could argue elements of it in Euron character but he more echoes in the Character Dunk Eater. Though we would have to see what Euron actual does. So I’d feel in ASOIAF it has less focus on order and chaos in ASOIAF dichotomy but more in line with different world systems with fire and ice.

Having binged all of your theories in a week, I have to ask: if the Others are truly just a pawn (or rook) of the COTF in their real time strategy game, why do they behave like independent creatures, laughing, mocking, making deals with craster, killing nights watchmen after thousands of years in hiding? Why would they ward the wall to keep them out if they can just command them not to approach? Why give the nights watch the obsidian if it's that effective against their control mechanism? Why would bloodraven be able to subvert their plans when he's just a greenseer like many of the COTF are?

15:39 It's Elden Ring, ASOIAF and YUgioh' Duel Terminal lore all rolled into one; JON, THE OTHERS ARE THE INFERNOIDS, YOU NEED TO STOP THEM FROM BANISHING JON!!!!!

Just like the old TV show: Get Smart. Chaos and Control.😁

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I dont know what IRL Mythology it comes from, the connection of Fungus and the Moon. Ranni is Fungus lady that is into Fungus. And in Dont Starve, whenever theres a Full Moon, ALL the Mushrooms in the entire world turns into big Mushroom Trees.

Yes, YES, YES! I've obsessed with Elden Ring's lore, it is so reminiscent of ASOIAF's lore! Truly beautiful. I'm very pleased with your thoughts and analysis because it matches mine perfectly!

it’s odd that the dualism is tree vs moon when sun vs moon would be more natural - that paired with dragons “coming” from the moon also feels off

man im never gonna forgive the show for making the others creepy desiccated corpses when theyre supposed to be ethereal and beautiful, i cant picture the ones in the show speaking or laughing like they do in the books

"Ordo ab Chao" ("Order from Chaos") is the motto of 33rd degree Masons. Michael is a Mason: CoNFirMeD?!?!?1

Mycelium meteorite magic monstrosities

The Moon kissed the sky is Danaeris kissing Drogo I think

Dood.. Fuck yeah.

16:16 Honestly you should do a deep dive into some of the other strange and unknown places we may find clues to the story. I remember a controversial love and a run away woman caused by blue roses in The Dark Portal the first book in the Deptford Mice trilogy. That and the Mountain maybe based on a guy in Berserk, plus how the Dark Angels and Lion El Johnson may have inspired Tywin.

I been looking at iron throne book art and many of them look like metal weirwood trees. Do you think that is what geoge had in mind

I’m making this comment now before I watch the next video in the series. So I won’t know if you get into this. However if there is a 1 to 1 similarity to Elden ring its possible that the metaphorical moon replacing the world tree may just mean that Dragons are going to replace the old gods and the weirwoods as the dominant power, as Dragons are coming back into the world. Since the story goes that dragons were birthed from one moon breaking apart.

Oh my god! You made it to Elden Ring!

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If the moon was the first vessel and trees are the second what might be the next one? Something ocean related?

Nah dragons were created in Valeria using wyverns magma worms and blood magic

the shrykes are creations of the children just like the others, but rather than making man ‘ice’ in the frozen north of westeros they made man ‘fire’ in the deserts east of yi ti

Oh damn dude. I think you just stumbled on a plot line from Critical Role….

In tha shadow of tha moon her sarrows bleed 4 heart in pain is a heart in vain.Others are white and her children. But it's all in vain 4 her heart/child was tookin. Amethyst/CQ. Garth/Bloodstone

It’s Elden ring😂😂

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It means we get to take a shot whenever he says "moon meteor" right @davidlightbringer & Dont worry #michaeltalksaboutstuff he's really looking forward to having you.