41:20 Remember too you can take the Army of Renown Speed Waghhh with any Clan, you lose your Clan Kulture (The Clan Effects) but not the Keyword so Traits Relics are still available. I did a Blood Axe one for example and gave the Wartrike the Finkin Cap and used the Warlord Trait to Move Units after deployment since they are still "Blood Axe Units". Hence why this is still a Evil Suns Speed Waggh

I will take a 50% chance with Orks 100% of the time.

@@TheDickDeck that sounds like my kinda calculus.

Maybe it works, maybe it don't, and maaaaybe it'll blow up? Don't know what my chances are but I like 'em.

yea if only he didnt have the same monotone boring voice with the same up and down sentences

@@rumac16 you come off a little rude.

@@rumac16 play the video @ x2 speed..... You'll be fine

@@rumac16 Come on man, this is a competitive 40k tactics channel, not an Asmr experience.

@@rumac16 Perhaps, But if you, like me, happen to like the sound of his voice - its 10\10 everytime

I do like the WAAGH buffs we got recently. But still, feels like we got unorkified with the new mob ruble and Nob's ability to turn failed morale checks to passed ones with D3 MWs. Not only that turning to stratagem made nobs even less wortwhile compared to meganobs.. But c'mon. Even with old mob rule it was easy to break lone ork boy squads. Now you just need to take 2 boyz for a chance to morale break.

Its a terrible 8.5 edition codex. Terrible

Forgive my ignorance but what does MSU mean??

@@johnhager2011 minimum sized unit, for boyz that is 10 models

Oh yeah.. minimum squad being optimal just feels so unorky. At least we still got good vehicles.

The new armor system ended up creating more problems than it solved tbh. Back when saves were fixed the game was easier to balance and simpler to play. The problem were rerollable 2++ saves and the like that could have been fixed via FAQs without ditching the entire system.

Every time i bring this up i get shouted down with relpies of "But the meta is the best its ever been right now." To me that just means "Everybody else is having a great time, sucks to be you."

Without squig hogz, koptas and meganobz I don’t think it’s viable to even go against an AOC army. I got a unit of each at least so it’s ok but it would be nice to take things like burnas, looters or even flash gitz without feeling like you’ve wasted points on nothing

@@jimlogic549 ran orks against the votann starter set twice, deffkilla eats the bikes for free, and sluggas rip the votann troops to ribbons quite easily, its a good time!

They should have made it so that -1 ap weapons are unaffected. As a Chaos marine player, it does feel a bit op that I can put a few squads in cover and essentially force my opponent to hit them with -3 ap weapons just to make a dent.

Thanks for the correction man, I've posted a pinned comment above :)

@@auspextactics you are more than welcome. I have awaited for this video, and it is very much appreciated. Until this morning, I had completely forgotten the Speed Mob - now I am planning one.

In a meta with high toughness, strong saves and damage reduction The Boys have their challenges. Others just needs to be there, orks needs to have everything click.

Eh... Losing Dakka Dakka Dakka only really matters because of the loss of the old More Dakka stratagem. In practice, DDD meant an extra hit for every 18 shots (one in six shots triggers it, one in three of those will actually hit). More Dakka was relevant because it meant you couldn't miss on 5s or better, effectively letting most ork units ignore penalties to hit. Compare most dakka weapons to their 8th edition counterparts, and they're getting at least as many shots as they got at long range, and more shots at mid-range. In general, dakka weapons now are much more efficient than they were in 8th with DDD. The real loss was how many assault weapons became dakka weapons, preventing us from advancing and charging. Its our maneuverability that took a hit, not our shooting efficiency.

Bad Moons. The Imperials Fists of the Ork race... Off the top of my head: Tankbustas. A small hoard (or two!) of them for excessive anti-armor. The Bad Moon relic, Da Gobshot Thunderbuss, isn't that bad when you add in the +6" klan range bonus. If you are looking for more dakka dakka dakka action, consider the dakka dread, or perhaps a shooty battlewagon (for all the tankbustas to ride around in). Either of them loaded up with four big shootas and the kustom job More Dakka for--well, more dakka equals a possible twenty-eight, Str 5 shots, at 21" range.

I've found a fairly large squad of Flash Gits on top of a building with good lines of fire can cause various Space Marine armies a lot of problems for pretty much the whole game. Also dakkajet with "more dakka" is ridiculous. Especially during a Speedwaaagh!

In all honesty as a semi fresh ork player I admire anyone who decides to pull out shooty list playing orks, I tried it few times and it felt just so bad, not only it doesn't compete but also feels bad to play, you throw 50 dice, hit 8 of which 7 bounce time and time again, it becomes just depressing, meanwhile orks fall like flies to enemy fire. My ork lists are all almost full mele, with some heavy support/flamethrower spam

Internal balance for the army has probably never been worse - and I've been playing greenskins on and off since Rogue Trader. It's extremely frustrating just how much they've moved the army away from its ability to play as either horde infantry or a mass of ramshackle looted vehicles that gave you some opportunities to do some creative modelling.

Get buffed to the moon, then once sales start to taper they get nerfed That has been the gameplan for every new release this edition

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Killa kanz a crewed by grots, are some of the wording changed if they benefit from WAAAGH!

@@mortenbrandtjensen6470 They still have the Ork faction keyword, but they're vehicles, not Core or Character. That means they benefit from Speedwaaagh, but not regular Waaagh. Nowhere near as good as Tony trabeler thinks they are, although far from terrible thanks to low cost.

Lol I just started the game from a friend’s recommendation and picked deathskulls too

Dakka guns would be fine if they were better - either more shots or make them immune to shooting penalties or something. But as written, yeah, nothing helpful there.

Look I understand but if you do 10 all dakka Boyz with heavy weapons and kombi nob, you get more out of it then 20 with only 1 nobz.

Thank you so much for your videos. I wish I could give you more money. You help me and the group of guys I play with a lot with understanding the rules!

Cheers man, glad you enjoyed - and very generous of you :)

You might actually see shoota boyz with that, which would be fine by me. The perennial imbalance between slugga/choppa and shoota options has been a sore point since the terms were invented in 3rd edition. Prior to that orks had the same base WS as marines and the same base BS as guardsmen, and their basic guns were plain old bolters in the days when bolters were dangerous. They weren't great at shooting, but when they did hit it at least hurt. Didn't hurt that pre-3rd ed orks had better armor too - roughly the equivalent of a 5+ save in 9th edition.

You're right, but they changed it back - it did seem like an error at the time tbh from the way it was formatted when released

+1 to wound vs vehicles for 2CP

It's ok. Just needs to know which units are good for duffing up what enemies. The warboss will have lots of work to do.

Its a good core! You might want a second killrig to Transport these boys

Looking over your list you might consider the following (depending on what Klan you run, the models you like, the meta you play in, and your own play-style): a mob of 10 tankbustas (or maybe two units of 5) for some more anti-armor. Maybe get a battlewagon to put them, and some of your other footslogging infantry in. With the right add-ons that would get you to 1250 points. Likewise some of the units suggested in the video like a unit or two of kommandos, a weird boy, a unit of storm boyz, and/or some deffkoptas. Some of these things (like the kommandos) you can just kitbash/convert (i.e. Runt herds make good, cheap stand-ins for weird boys, plus you get ten grots all for less than the price of the actual weird boy--who doesn't look all that great anyhow; and you could just glue some plastic aquarium foliage on any spare beast snaggas you have laying about and call them kommandos in custom ghillie suits, if you wanted them to match with the rest of the army a bit better).

Id go with something like. HQ Beastboss on Squigosaur Painboss Core 20x Beast Snagga Boyz 30x Gretchin Fast Attack Nob on Smasha Squig 3x Squighog boyz bomb squig 3x Squighog boyz bomb squig 3x Squighog boyz bomb squig Heavy Support 2x Kill rigs Comes to 1245pts Have a muck about on Battlescribe making different lists :)

Looks good so far. Depends on you, but Id recommend more squig riders. They are super strong rn and can be used in lists which are not purely beast snaggas. You should keep in mind though: if you buy too many riders and they get nerfed, youll be pretty sad. But yeah, Id add 6 more squig riders for sure

Speed Mob is pretty fun-looking though, never thought I'd see boomdakka snazzwagons in a tournament list haha

It was reversed soon afterwards, likely a mistake originally.

@@overlordfuzz9254 Didn't know about that. Thanks for the information dude! This is heartening.

I think the problem is that most tables have quite a bit of terrain already (between 8-12 pieces) and thus there just isn't enough room to affectively deploy the piece. You also have to put it in your own deployment zone which means it isn't doing anything to score you primary or secondary objectives

It's a double-edged sword, though. On a battlefield with decent amounts of terrain (like the ones used in the GW Open or ITCs) it can be difficult to even fit the mekshop, the scrap piles, and the barricades while keeping them 3" from all other terrain features. It can really limit your options for where to put it, and possibly force you to deploy it in a place that provides limited utility (or worse, actively hinders some of your units from crossing through if you have a fair number of vehicles).

Yeah. Played a game recently, 4k Orks vs Deathwatch and Dark Angels. I got annihilated. I did hardly any damage with shooting as we hit on 5s or 6s and then AoC just nullified any AP I did have. Same story in melee really, AoC really just make Boyz damage output non-existent. The only unit in my army that could do damage was my kill rig and characters. Other than that my whole army was just torn up. Orks just aren't durable anymore 😐

Playing Orks has been awful for the entire 10 years I've been into the game.

SHAD UP YA GIT! AN’ GET TO FOIGHTIN’! WAAAAAAGGGHHH!!!

He has speedboss keyword like Deffkilla which allows them to call speedwaaghs though.

And the Squiggoth!

Dan Foley gets krumped.