And those kids, they won't learn anything by not getting in trouble, they'll think they are above the law and do it again. The law can also be too kind to kids but if they are able to kill or hurt someone with no remorse, they don't deserve to get sympathy

I don’t think you know anything about what you are talking about. It’s the same in Europe and we are actually proud of it because we actually listen to the science. Countries with higher sentences always have higher crime rates. Do you wanna know why countries in Scandinavia are among the ones with the lowest crime rates? Because instead of just putting criminals in jail they actually try to help them to resocialize. Jail sentences in these countries are the lowest on earth yet the recidivism rate is also among the lowest on earth. Guess why?

Because most crimes are committed by men, and since Korea is such a patriarchal country they lessen prison sentences so that men can still thrive. Think about it, if they were drunk and sexually assaulted someone or even harassed, physically inflicted wounds or harm - they'd still be only serving a minimum sentence compared to other countries.

S.Korea needs to really re-evaluate their law system, but seeing as the new president seems to detest women's rights, foreigners and etc. I doubt hardly anything will be done.

And i definitely agree with the whole juvenile thing. Not all children are as pure and innocent as they seem. If they can do such vile things of course they need to pay for their crimes. Especially when they feel no remorse whatsoever and even feel proud of doing so. There's always that underlying sympathy for juveniles, but most the times in S.Korea it's wealthy children who cause most ruckus.

absolutely the lasting trauna

Uhhh actually a defendant has a legal right to face their accuser

@@citymorgue8462 Are you sure? Even when its a child? They could then intimidate them into not giving evidence, which is unjust. Evil idea, making the victim face the perpetrator so they can silence them with fear.

@@dorianleakey Yes, that's in the constitution, but some jurisdictions allow minors to testify via closed circuit TV, depending on age. Even those jurisdictions sometimes offer plea deals because the parents do not want their child to have to testify and be cross examined, even if the defendant is watching via CCTV.

Most cases of child abuse in the US, the child testifies via cctv in a secluded room in the courthouse (or safe house or hospital depending on the circumstances) or they have a guardian ad litem who speaks for the child in question as their legal representation (guardian ad litem is appointed by the court and only represents the child and the child’s best interests). Any child who is required to testify in person can also have a social worker or psychologist present to provide support and speak up if they feel the child is being intimidated by the accused.

what was really disgusting about that juvenile's case was that their were some actual people that thought he shouldn't be punished just cause he was good looking. You literally had these teen girls trying to defend this dude online, that is some disturbing stuff.

@@Duma2011 FR IT WAS SO FUCKING ANNOYING THAT THOSE STUPID TEENAGERS CARED MORE ABOUT LOOKS THEN A LITERAL MOTHER AND CHILD'S LIFE disgusting honestly

Yeah I would like juvenile's to get the same years as adults when they commit such horrendous crimes but bad thing is the US is they always go over the amount of adult would get and that makes no sense. Hopefully Korea decides to make a better criminal justice system (with rehabilitation included but not for the most horrendous criminals).

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Right, I was so shocked that they made that girl testify in the Korean case. Must be so traumatic for her

That one made me cry.

I'm pretty sure they still make child victims testify in court in the US since it would be a violation of a defendant's constitutional right to face their accuser. I think DAs are more likely to accept a plea bargain in those cases though so the child victim doesn't have to testify.

@@ClaymoreClay101 correct. Depending on circumstances they may decide to have the child appear via cctv so they are not physically intimated by the perpetrator but can still be questioned.

@@bourgeoisie7991 I’m pretty sure that the clip with the kid testifying is from a movie about the actual case though . So hopefully 🙏 it didn’t actually happen at court

Exactly, they care more about idols smoking weed than citizens rapping and killing others.

You are right about the low ones but wrong about the heavy crimes. Criminology and Sociological studies proof that focusing on rehabilitating a criminal is way more effective than just punishing.

@@flowerpower0323 You need both rehabilitation AND punishment in most societies. Rehabilitation is generally more humane and seeks for it not to reoccur again once release, aka better reintegrating in society. You HAVE to have some form of punishment though because many if not most people want punishment and retribution meaning without it there is less faith in the system unless you change that on an individual level. Law is order but just like most people being raised there are consequences to actions and those consequences aren't always nice or pleasant. Society is just as much about people's wants and desires as it is about statistical 'better' and improvements.

You're talking about stupid K-pop. Is that all the knowledge you have?

@@flowerpower0323 where is the rehabilitation, there is none

Yeah I’m surprised that old man hasn’t been taken out yet since being released in 2020. I definitely would whoop his a$& every single day he left the house. I even heard he started his own business by opening up a convenience store on the first floor of his house at the same neighborhood he committed the crime. The girl still lives there too. I would be so mad if he ever got a single customer. I hope the neighbors shun him for life if they won’t get revenge.

That’s why we in Europe laugh about the justice system of America. It’s primitive and based more on revenge than rehabilitation. It’s scientifically proven that focusing more on rehabilitation leads to less crimes. That’s why Europe is one of the places with the least amount of crimes while America is one of the places with the most crimes.

I wish I could find these pedos and murderers after they are released and do just that

Lmao like the rappers foolio youngeen ace and spinabenz

FR

Even the most hardened criminals are known to have a code they follow. Many of them are father's themselves so any child molesters/rapists/killers are basically sentenced to death being sent to prison where they interact with the general public.

They do the same thing in Mexico. If you're suspected of that type of crime they will kill you. But not before being torture.

Karma's a bitch after all

Fr staying in a jail isn’t bad because there is no proper humane punishment other than locking you up; you get fed and have a place to stay if ur poor. Mainly the big reason why people don’t wanna go there is because of the inhinged ppl and gangs. I don’t know why child pedos don’t reevaluate their morals when there’s 100% chance of getting beaten to death in prison.

a 5 month old baby??? WTF

yess makes my blood boil

And the victim shaming rape victims & victims of selfie blackmails go through

@@lavenderlatte13 and murder victims as well.

Wait?! WHAT?! Walked?! How?!

This case makes me homicidal

So true! It’s so shameful I can’t believe it. I also hope for a change but like you said their system is so corrupt so that’s unlikely…

Have you ever heard of California judicial system, especially SF and LA?

I think in India is worse.🤔

i think its so people wont assult or harass extended fsmily

@@triplebbb1484 SF?

The whole documentary on Netflix made me sob

Yes! If I remember correctly the child protective services were also once contacted by his teacher but they didn’t do anything :(

@@kate-nj2ss not only once, the teachers called the child protective services like 5 times!!!!! but they kept just going to the house and literally ASKING if everything was OKAY! can you believe it? so after a few times the mother stopped sending gabriel to school, which was 100% worst because now he was 24/7 at the hands of that monsters. i almost broke my tv when i watched the netflix documentary, i was in pure rage!!!

@@kate-nj2ss Yeah, there were about 70 calls made to child protective services by different individuals for them to look into the situation of Gabriel. When the social workers would go to his house, they would always interview him with his mother and her boyfriend present where he would obviously not be able to say the truth. They never separated him and talked to him alone and would always believe that he was lying about being abused even when he would have obvious bruises all over his body. It's so sad. His teacher even said that at a point, he didn't want to tell her when he was abused cos he was scared she would contact cps. And he asked her to stop calling them cos each time after they left, he would get beat up for that. And then the social workers never served any punishment, even though the prosecutor in charge of the case tried to sue about 4 workers who had been involved with Gabriel's case

What infuriates me more is that even after Gabriel's case, ANOTHER child died in the hands of abuse from their guardians, in the same area that Gabriel was living in. CPS once again stood back and yet another child die. And it still continues.

@Mylena Ribeiro It is not an excuse that should be used for mitigation. The simple solution is not to drink so much, and not to do drugs. The whole idea that drug addiction is an illness is bullshit. Cancer is an illness ... drug addiction is a choice. Don't touch drugs, not even once, and you won't get addicted. Very simple.

Depends on what substance/circumstances are involved. There are cases of people who have experienced massive brain trauma and woke up in a hospital only to attack staff because they aren't truly aware of where they are, and then they don't remember it afterwards. Some drugs can have similar effects, which is why most dangerous drugs are illegal in the first place. Another thing to consider is the crime itself, if you aren't in your right mind and you end up committing violence because you thought you were being threatened but don't remember doing so afterwards, I'd be more lenient. Such as a kidnapping victim whose been drugged and they unknowingly end up attacking law enforcement because they literally can't tell the difference between the people hurting them and the people trying to help them. As unfortunate as it is that the officers in question are injured, the victim shouldn't be charged with assault because they aren't in their right mind. On the other hand, if you were knowingly partaking of an illegal activity, such as drugs, even if you didn't fully understand the possible side effects, it's criminal negligence. I don't need to understand the side effects of setting a building on fire that happens to be full of explosive gas tanks, I'm still committing the crime of arson. The fact that the building explodes because of the fire might be unintentional, but it's still my fault for being negligent while committing a crime. In the same vein, someone that chooses to get high and then rapes/murders another person shouldn't be shown leniency because they were somehow "not of sound mind," they were already committing a crime, which happened to lead to violence and/or sexual violence/murder, which is why criminal negligence comes into play.

If you decide to drink or do some type of drug you should be prosecuted for being irresponsible and reckless. Like it shouldn't make your sentence less it should make it more because you decided to get so incredibly annihilated that you did something horrible. Drinking culture so bad in Korea and I feel like maybe this type of leniency is due to the fact that so many people drink and perhaps they're more understanding that you do stupid things when you drink but at the same time for this type of crime it should be unacceptable.

Islam forbids drinking of alcohol as to avoid situations like these, so that you are fully responsible for your actions and not because of some bullshit intoxicated excuses

@@intanpayung7026 yeah cuz like 1 of the girl in this vid said if being an influenced of alcohol can be used as an excuse for ur crime, then lots of ppl out there could just do the same. Drink alcohol while commiting crime to lessen their sentences

Fucking outrageous. So disgusting and sad how she has to live in fear bc of this son of a bitch.

And u know he's gonna reoffend and rape another kid.

You say "even before they go to trial" So you are happy with people who have not been found guilty of a crime being treated as criminals? Because often they arent actually evil people, they are not guilty of the crimes and their lives could be destroyed due to a misunderstanding, or a lie.

@@dorianleakey girl most of them are guilty we dont give af here. and if they aren't it is obvious when they aren't and ppl will support them.

Because often they are innocent and if you don't believe in the concept of trial then you are evil in the same way actual criminals are.

@@dorianleakey they have a right to a trial 💀💀but when it’s obvious like this where the evidence is clear AND the trial proves them guilty y hide their faces ????

@@tea7048 How obvious does it need to be?

He now lives only a couple of blocks from her after his release despite the parents' protests. That's how fucked up it is.

@@xmirame Excuse me???? I MUST be reading this wrong!!!!! This can't be possible!!!!!

@@ems5454 yeah I almost went insane when I know that, he dare refuses to move... That child inside were out when they found her and she have permanent disabilities.

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I heard she will never able to have a kid of her own and she can’t pee any more so she wear a bag on her stomach, i forget what it’s called. I heard her rapist moved back in same town but under police watch like CCTV around his house, so her dad was angry. I remember reading about it.

In Germany you only get 2 years prison when you raped a child.... That makes me even more angry. And up to 10 years when you don't want to pay your taxes

As a human being the S. Korean Judicial System infuriates me. SO MANY things are wrong about it and they're to lenient as a whole. They want to keep this ideal perception of perfection of the country but they let people go with a slap on the wrist when they commit crimes so horrendous??? Even as a teen or pre-teen (11-14) they have FULL understanding of what they do and only do it because they don't know fear. They have zero fear of the repercussions of their actions and commit the crimes because they KNOW they'll get away with it. IT"S SO UPSETTING!!!!

Good! That’s how it should be! Rape cases all over Korea are literally thrown under the rug cause the man was drunk so he didn’t know any better🙄 I mean cmon!

Which country are you from? I want to move there, dang

In my country being under any influence of alcohol (in a place other than ur home or licensed venues) or drugs is already a crime in on itself 💀😭 I’m very glad

FR WE SHOULD HAVE THAT MENTALITY IN THE US. The “I was intoxicated” card just makes u seem even more guilty trying to get out of the case u obviously committed. The lack of responsibility and acknowledgment should be an indicator of a bad person, cus if you were truly a good-at-heart person you would accept what actions you’ve done regardless bc you were ashamed.

Which country are you from? Your system seems good.

actually sexual and juvenile crimes are extremely rampant in korea it’s just that with how their justice system is, many get 0 help, can’t seek help or don’t seek help. cus the outcomes already known.

There isn't less crime, it's simply underreported. You can leave valuable things at a table in a Korean cafe and no one will steal them. I've heard countless foreigners say that they felt very safe walking alone at night. But the amount of misogyny, s*xual assaults, molka, r*ape, stalking and bullying is insane. Victims get no justice - only public humiliation - if they come out, so a lot of people don't even try.

@@ahnhyungseobhaveyoulearnth8286 right! Yes ofc that makes sense my bad! I definitely have heard of how rapes especially are just swept under the rug! Really sad

@@RhythmAddictedState yeah definitely! I also have heard many stories like that! My bad

@@RhythmAddictedState There is less crime. It’s scientifically proven that focusing more on rehabilitation than hard punishments leads to less crimes. That’s why in Europe crime rates are so low despite having one of the most lenient systems.

It’s the exact same in Korea, probably worse. In the US the case is atleast known to the public. If you have money in Korean you can make it so the case never happened and no one knows about it so it’s not on any permanent records… I’m sure some millionaires do the same in the US but it’s not an “on the flip side” topic cause it’s the same both places

@@bourgeoisie7991 my dude I meant 'on the flip side' of the US cases they showed, which all had harsh penalties. No comment on Korea at all.

@@mollyapteros gotcha 👍 my mistake

@@bourgeoisie7991 No problem. 😘

Normally happens if the family has money.

I would like to read but I think I will be so frustrated about the sentence that I will not continue.

I read that too and I always get frustrated whenever a bully get away because they are minors and those ppl push the victims to their limit to the point of just wanting to die.

@@doyoueverdreamofdream4110 I just want to clarify, the Webtoon gets justice for the victims. I've tried replying but my messages won't go through. I'd recommend reading it.

@@gremal2135 I read it too Its quite cool, I like it when the bullies get what they deserve

@@gremal2135 oh nice. Thanks for sharing that now I know I can read without being that frustrated.

That’s true. Even though it’s awful, I’m okay with it. Anyone who is a sexual predator, especially towards children, should be tortured.

Thay do the same thing in France ... They have to keep them from the other prisoners in special departements

That's the whole point! They are too young to understand the consequences of their actions. In Germany you are also not a "legal body" until you turn 14 but treated as an extension of your parents (who will be held accountable for neglect of their supervisory role and the children most likely taken away by child protection services)

agree!!! 👍👍👍👍👍

The system works fine...for those in power.

It only needs reforms in countries that go as hard on crimes as the US. We in Europe laugh about that because that’s actually one of the reasons for their high crime rates. It’s scientifically proven that focusing more on rehabilitation than on punishment leads to less crimes. It may go against your feelings but that’s just basic science.

The crimes are moer common and worse in the US where the sentences are stronger, so your wish for revenge will not reduce crime.

@@flowerpower0323 Would you wanna to rehabilitate a child rapist and murder?

I have the same question because obviously the majority are not okay with it, so who’s keeping it up??

Race doesn't matter money does

Ice is right. Wealth is the biggest issue with crime

@@minority86 32% of the US population is represented by African Americans and Hispanics, compared to 56% of the US incarcerated population being represented by African Americans and Hispanics. So yes it is about wealth but who holds the wealth in this country…. not black and brown folks

@@liviw.8726 Thank you

@@minority86 You are saying no one is racist in the US? No cops? No judges? None?

death should be last thing to be given, they should be reminded of their crime, relive it as the victim n never escape, not even to death, if they try, save them, let them recover before resuming.

I think its bit more then that, if social services would have more funding, and complete renovation from the inside out, than more kids can be saved.

@@cherryblossom7120 Yeah it starts from the top

They be giving sentences for the wrong crimes… hell, their whole justice system is f*cked up😒🤢(and not only south korea, there are tons of countries with messed up justice systems, at this point, you can’t even call it a justice system).

that doesn't work because korea thinks of weed like how we think of meth. there so uninformed on Marijuana

It’s disturbing how the jail sentence is higher for possession/use of drugs than that of harming, raping and killing other people…

@@sweetTRS It’s the highest potential penalty The highest potential penalty of the crimes you mentioned is life but Korea rarely ever even goes near the highest penalties I have a friend who got caught with a Percocet pill and was fined 2,000 US dollars Hiring a prostitute has a max penalty of one year but in practice it’s about a 300 dollar fine with fines increasing depending on your record

Yeah I find many times that people from the US think the US is the most unjust terrible place in the world and it’s honestly funny as someone who was born in Mexico. And yeah the US sucks too many times but cmon. Step out of your bubble ya know? (Not saying you said that btw just adding on to the eye opener bit)

@@bourgeoisie7991 claro, en latinoamerica la justicia es casi inexistente

Depends what tates. New York, Oregon, and California are a joke. Letting criminals go so easily or not jailing them at all

@@Pyramanager right I feel those law all over world not able protection people from crime unless it benefits them other than i wonder what happened if there no law we all people gonna take law of our way to punishment the criminal for example if those personal did r@pe hen he lose his d@ck so can’t hurt anyone

A Guantanamo Bay for sexual predators would be beautiful. Sexual predators cannot be rehabilitated anyway, so if we just put them away for life even without torture, that would be a huge step forward.

What about human rights? I really get the rage, but I hope you aren't talking seriously...A good system doesn't allow torture and death penalty, and strives for justice, not revenge. Prisons are ( or should be) meant to reeducate and deter.

@@ila3823 I think it should be up to what the victim wants. If they want them to have life in prison or the death penalty. But sexual predators can’t be rehabilitated. There’s no point in trying to re-educate them unfortunately. If we’re talking murder then that’s different because there is a possibility of rehabilitation.

@@Beelzebubby91 I don't think the victim should have a say in this, that's not how justice works...Probably if I were the victim I would want revenge, and even just hearing stories like those in the video fills me with rage. But a judge must be rational and make the judgment using universal criteria. Also, sex predators can be re-educated like murderers; of course it takes some time, and there is always the risk it doesn't succeed. That's why they shouldn't get away with too few years of prison. And rape is a very serious crime ( on children even more), but it's still less serious than murder.

@@ila3823 rape is 100% worse than murder

Probably community service. Also, in my opinion getting sentenced to 24 years for stealing a cigarette is idiotic.