Oulton Park Crash. Hyundai coupe (Tiburon apparently in the States?) at lodge corner on novice track day 17 feb 2018. Driver was fine and went back out after de-mangling his Hyundai👍🏽
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@mattshiz3 жыл бұрын
Going for a cheeky extra lap as you know the track will be red flagged in a few seconds time!
@Mw2_OG3 жыл бұрын
Has to be done👌🏼😁
@510gt13 жыл бұрын
Looks like he needs the extra seat time!
@SH3RIFF1873 жыл бұрын
That little sound when he hits the barrier. He felt that for days
@brokemotorsport53396 жыл бұрын
Overcorrected me thinks
@benbanks68805 жыл бұрын
over corrected waaaaaaaay to much
@frankybaez17373 жыл бұрын
And a lil bit of under steer 🤏🏼
@jamarward84373 жыл бұрын
Correct you are
@getclapt4623 жыл бұрын
Corrected to barier
@Zyntherion22023 жыл бұрын
And also came into the corner to fast, and exited too slow, causing understeer
@mojojoji54933 жыл бұрын
For people wondering what exactly happened, that’s what happens when you enter too fast and still try to make the apex
@gigi94673 жыл бұрын
So if u do enter the lap to fast what are you suppose to do to not get in Troublr? Run wide maybe?
@Clubman993 жыл бұрын
He turned in far too early, which meant he ran out of room on the exit. I’ve made the same mistake on the same corner.
@felinefriendly6173 жыл бұрын
@@Clubman99
@mojojoji54933 жыл бұрын
@@Clubman99 exactly that with how fast he was going changed his trajectory, and he ended up having to correct it, but he over corrected the under steer while already over shooting the trajectory🤙🏽
@mojojoji54933 жыл бұрын
@@gigi9467 try to brake harder in a straighter line and change your angle to get a decent line through the corner ((you’ll miss the apex)) but you won’t end up over shooting on corner exit, but it was too late for this dude.
@johnfig31962 жыл бұрын
That corner is a tricky bastard. Decreasing radius and downhill after the apex. Have sent many a digital car into that same barrier in iracing
@ICanSeeYou2473 жыл бұрын
As always, a lotta experts here......
@lurk79673 жыл бұрын
Yep but hey at least they're not people that think that we should all be given stunt driving tickets those people in other words
@CW-yp9jo3 жыл бұрын
It’s not rocket science to know what went wrong especially if you’ve had track experience
@tredfxman3 жыл бұрын
Expertly put. You "Excel" at this... 👍
@Weimerica88412 жыл бұрын
Bench racing is at an all time high
@VAspeed32 жыл бұрын
Anyone with track experience knows exactly what happened and how to prevent it.
@housey42973 жыл бұрын
A common place for novices binning it at Oulton. Turn in too early, miss the apex too to add to the challenge and you come out wide and end up either left of right barrier often. Text book.
@E4RLIES3 жыл бұрын
Yes spot on, just glad I didn’t get sucked into it!
@Adlata Жыл бұрын
Also the worst track combo to buy: south korean Junk on cheap chinese tyres! Hyundai coupe has next to zero structural rigidity and its got a heavy front end due to the V6 engine (Mitsubishi sourced as the south koreans did not have a clue how to build an engine so just brought Japanese OEM ones instead) placed in front of the front axle that causes crazy understeer. So when the driver over sped the corner he got crazy lift off oversteer and because the hyundai coupe has the structural rigidity of wet toilet paper was uncontrollable unless you are a professional driver. TL;DR buy a stiff Japanese car on sport tyres and not south korean junk deathtraps for trackdays
@combatwombat712 жыл бұрын
He's done something motor racing drivers strive for... finding the limit of grip. Sadly, he quickly found the limit then carried on through it.
@andyowens54944 жыл бұрын
Sh!t happens, especially on a novices track day. Did something similar myself on my first one (how else is anyone supposed to find the limit of their own ability if you don’t exceed it occasionally)? Nicely avoided though :). No point ploughing on and hoping to miss ‘em.
@IrishJayc632 жыл бұрын
If your gonna push cars. Your gonna crash cars. Just the way it goes. Although this was mostly poor line choice an too much speed. So put it down to lack of experience. It’s happenes or has happened to us all
@jmblur2 жыл бұрын
Autocross is a great way to push your car in an environment where consequences are lower. Won't understand exactly how your car is going to react at high speeds but you get a damn good feel for under/oversteer, corner lines, entry speed, how to recover from too much speed info a corner, etc. My local site often hits 60-70mph so it's not too far off from track cornering speeds, just gotta brake a bit more on track than you would in the cones!
@Chris-hw4mq2 жыл бұрын
It was just a hyundai wont be expenssive to fix
@sportbikejesus629711 ай бұрын
This is a fallacy. If you push tires beyond their limit by a small margin, you feel that grip is reduced. Instead of a crash, you listen to the tires and back off slightly to get back to their maximum. Some people don’t have the understanding to operate at this level but an educated driver can and usually does reach and identify the limit without exceeding it.
@andyowens549411 ай бұрын
@sportbikejesus6297 Key words here : "novice track day" and "limit of their own ability", not "educated driver", nor any mention of the limit of the tyres. Your statement may be true (except for the opening conjecture) but not relevant to this clip or my comment.
@anthonyboyne23866 жыл бұрын
turned in too early, missed apex, ran wide on exit
@ITSMEWILL4 жыл бұрын
yer got on the power to soon and didn't set the car
@TaylorGoesFast3 жыл бұрын
Happens to all of us. The real mistake is trying to save it. If you dip 2 off, straighten the wheel and ride it out. No good will come from trying to correct it.
@Alpi-yn5jk3 жыл бұрын
hello anthony do you still driving that old lotus
@anthonyboyne23863 жыл бұрын
@@Alpi-yn5jk yep, depending on which one you mean
@dondelchulia31893 жыл бұрын
Just too much speed in turn in really wasn’t that bad just too much speed for the grip
@jakubkrcma3 жыл бұрын
Judging by his lines, it was obvious he's not going to make it through the session.
@njgilly203 жыл бұрын
judging by his ride i made the same assumption
@ash79902 жыл бұрын
All got to start somewhere, or did you start off perfect?
@e.r.6147 Жыл бұрын
Captain Crunch
@jakubkrcma Жыл бұрын
@@ash7990 First off, nobody is perfect. Secondly, when he sucked, he should have gone slow and careful.
@EazyDuz18 Жыл бұрын
@@njgilly20 agree what a gay car lmao
@sonydominates3 жыл бұрын
Everyone is mentioning overcorrecting, but I think the biggest factor was going from the low traction grass back onto the tarmac swinging the car back violently. It was a chain of events, but I think the novice driver was unlucky to have overcorrected in a changing traction situation. But yes, a good driver would have taken that into account.
@edduubb60223 жыл бұрын
My favorite part is at 0:31 when VTEC KICKED IN YO!
@clivebrackstone18962 жыл бұрын
Hyundai coupes dnt have V-TECH what so ever numb nuts..
@edduubb60222 жыл бұрын
@@clivebrackstone1896 what is the camera car? And what happens at 0:31?
@Visual_Ghoul2 жыл бұрын
@@clivebrackstone1896 r/whoosh
@popsbubbles12422 жыл бұрын
That's a tricky corner, off camber. I went there the other day on my first track day outing, ended up on the rumble strip there, which thankfully was as much warning as needed, I changed my speed for the rest of the day. That day there were several offs too many to count and a coupe of fires, red flag day!
@E4RLIES2 жыл бұрын
True enough! The car on fire (if it was a Renault) was a mate of mine 😪🔥🔥🔥
@popsbubbles12422 жыл бұрын
@@E4RLIES gold coloured Renault?
@E4RLIES2 жыл бұрын
@@popsbubbles1242 yes mate stopped at top of Dentons pretty much destroyed 😫
@popsbubbles12422 жыл бұрын
@@E4RLIES Shit ..yes sadly my cameras never recorded any track action I would have recorded your incident,....sorry to see the flames and you running What a day many cars smashed ..
@davidackley41022 жыл бұрын
So this is where all the racing experts hang out..
@E4RLIES2 жыл бұрын
Haha it’s seems so yeah… would be interesting to know how many of these experts have actually been on track though🤔😆
@cbrboy763 жыл бұрын
That bend catches lots of people out, turns in more sharply than you expect.
@doma52624 ай бұрын
looks like he went in way faster than his skiill level allowed for
@JamesWilson2343 жыл бұрын
It was all salvageable, even after going in that fast and deep. The damage was done trying to power through it on the run off. Sad to see people learn that lesson the hard way!
@FRNRXRAY3 жыл бұрын
Weird knowing that this type of car is FWD Watching this again, it seems like the left rear tyre just gave up, spinning the car
@B__L3 жыл бұрын
The car is FWD. He didn't try to power through it he lifted off after finally realising he wasn't making it.
@pgr32903 жыл бұрын
This also happens when you aquaplane and try to steer the car. You go from low or no grip for the steering wheels to suddenly back on high grip and the car snaps away from you. It's easy to say in hindsight but if he just kept the wheel relatively straight and ran along the grass for a little then re-joined slowly he would have been fine. Look at the angle of the front wheels as they re-join the tarmac. They are at a mad slip angle, the fronts then grip and the car snaps around into oversteer.
@chrishorton35013 жыл бұрын
@@B__L wrong, he countersteered to get out of the slide, front wheels hit the tarmac while rears were still off track and it spun left
@MrJrFish2 жыл бұрын
@@chrishorton3501 Correct! Look how late he was to take out the countersteer. all the way at :25 he was still fully turned left, even though he was heading back across the tarmac. Expe$ive le$$on.
@goodie2shoes8743 жыл бұрын
Everyone is getting on his ass but it's novice track day for a reason. Mans gotta learn somehow. Be glad it was on a track and not a public road.
@E4RLIES3 жыл бұрын
Excatamently mate a lot of Gran Turismo bell ends here think they know it all 🙂
@Enselladus2 жыл бұрын
Thats the thing with Oulton Park, not much space to make mistakes.
@nomadben3 жыл бұрын
I figured it would be the Tiburon crashing and not the S2000 lol
@m1bjr6 жыл бұрын
All went south when he let off the brakes and coasted over the brow, that rear was only going to do one thing :)
@PPC43 жыл бұрын
That corner is notoriously deceptive but as soon as I saw his turn in point I knew what was coming. He made it round the previous corner though which also seems to catch a fair amount of people out.
@daysofgrace29343 жыл бұрын
Could have been dangerous side on crash like that, not much crumple zone. MSVT usually put brake boards, cones down for the turn-in and apex. If you're a novice better off having an instructor for the day...I did my time at PEC on their low friction track and course. Had an excellent instructor telling me what do and why and where I was going wrong. After that I thought no point without an instructor...
@jhonnypenacho2 жыл бұрын
Last curve is very dangerous. You do it very well!
@Puddingtops3 жыл бұрын
Funny how this came up while I’m watching BSB testing at Oulton park sat by cascades 😀
@E4RLIES3 жыл бұрын
Haha I was there today too! 😎 Think those boys are a tad quicker 😆🚀
@Puddingtops3 жыл бұрын
@@E4RLIES Nice one ! Great day out and nice to see some race bikes in action again 👍
@macbook802 Жыл бұрын
Never race with a Hyundai. They have nothing to lose. It's like borrowing your truck to Whistlindiesel
@E4RLIES Жыл бұрын
Yeah def not a race haha just a chance to learn for novices… Some more novicey than others 🤭🤣
@steve06806573 жыл бұрын
In addition to everything already (correctly) said about entry speed and line, I'd imagine it was fitted with mid range mainstream tyres. Most Hyundai Coupes I've seen in real life have cheap Chinese budget brand rubber on... - Jinyu - Arrowspeed - Haida - P609 I it looked like the rubber was very quick to break traction in the video.
@neildempster28273 жыл бұрын
You forgot the ever popular 'Ditchfinders' 😏
@evolad24632 жыл бұрын
not to forget they are front heavy especially the v6 models
@Adlata Жыл бұрын
lol junk south korean car plus using cheapest chinese tyre to pass MOT = instant ditch finder, I dont blame the owner for own ignorance racing a deathtrap hyundai
@R0BL0W2 жыл бұрын
Looked it up on the mot history checker. Looks like he'd just spent quite a lot of money getting it back on the road so it's all the more unfortunate
@chillisauce60793 жыл бұрын
Seen so many get Lodge wrong.
@sugepoola3 жыл бұрын
knew it was gonna be the Hyundai the second the video started haha
@Mandarin99003 жыл бұрын
why
@1DjFuzzion13 жыл бұрын
That's another level of overcorrecting right there
@Rambogner2 жыл бұрын
Always liked the looks of the Hyundai but they were abysmally slow
@lorddarlo61943 жыл бұрын
His famous last words were Watch This
@SpawnyWhippet2 жыл бұрын
Wow, you could see that coming from 3 turns before the crash, his lines were so bad!
@ChrisMisMYhandle2 жыл бұрын
the exact same thing happened to me (from the camera mans perspective ) at that very corner, only it was a scooby and instead of getting a tank slapper and shooting off to the left, they just carried on spinning right and shot straight across in front of me.
@pocok50003 жыл бұрын
i was worried for a second that you crashed an s2000
@dogtag1143 жыл бұрын
Honestly, the bigger lesson here is to settle the car and lower speed in the grass before re-entry and not rush to get back on pavement.
@fns583 жыл бұрын
Of course it's a Hyundai coupe with clear rears. People just don't know how to correct oversteer with FF's lol.
@PhilbyFavourites2 жыл бұрын
Come on then oh genius… Being a “boring” road driver I have no idea. Also is FF front wheel drive? Genuinely interested.
@duncangray72693 жыл бұрын
Wouldn’t say he’s a novice. Just the fact he came to a track day in toastie machine from Wish
@arthurszulc17283 жыл бұрын
That's a Hyundai Tiburon
@76-UVB Жыл бұрын
Back wheel on the grass and the downhill making the car go light at the same time, not the first or last to end up in the armco at Lodge under the same circumstances.
@landwomble3 жыл бұрын
That's a classic tankslapper surely. Understeer, over correct, then when back on grippy tarmac it hugely oversteers
@thesavagesoutherner3 жыл бұрын
Great job to avoid piling into him.
@mrdjbrand2 жыл бұрын
Yeah, it was amazing when he steered slightly to go around him
@stemartin66712 жыл бұрын
Love this track I’ve been round it as a passenger a couple of times and enjoyed every second
@joshoprayy3 жыл бұрын
Not MOT’d since 2017 so I assume it was a write off.
@Simon-ui6db3 жыл бұрын
Dying!! LMFAO!!
@E4RLIES3 жыл бұрын
This was filmed on Feb 2018 so maybe it was trailered there ?
@joshoprayy3 жыл бұрын
@@E4RLIES An MOT from 2017 could be valid well into 2018 mate
@danmiglin8402 жыл бұрын
I spin at that exact same corner in iRacing all the time. Feels, dude!
@BAC_Mono2 ай бұрын
Yes, it's a tricky bugger that one, deceptive turn in and off camber and then you're onto grass. You really need to turn in late and trail brake around it to be safe. Likewise, I've binned It so many time on that corner in iRacing.
@davidreynolds30823 жыл бұрын
Ouch. "Hello...is that the RAC?".
@pc8134 Жыл бұрын
I'd crash too if somebody put the steering wheel on the wrong side of the car.
@ArnoldClarke2 жыл бұрын
Love that feeling just before impact
@samieb1552 жыл бұрын
Ability, Talent and Professionalism weren’t in the same driving seat.
@TildeKei3 жыл бұрын
The moment when eurobeat intensifies
@kloc49953 жыл бұрын
*Every Hyundai that ever tried to get crazy🤣
@TraceyAllen2 жыл бұрын
It went bad when dude brought a timboron to the track. It's just a 3rd gen eclipse clone.
@czarli2 жыл бұрын
This happens before, this happened at the overtake. The negotiation of the pass, it’s psychological during overtaking and thinking about leaving room for the other car.. and missing the breaking point :)
@E4RLIES2 жыл бұрын
That makes sense yes; I like to think I didn’t pressure him too much but I also had to pass the Suzuki?
@PhilbyFavourites2 жыл бұрын
@@E4RLIES your hand gestures said it all……
@MartinBradyRallyCoDriver2 жыл бұрын
Straight to the scene of the accident
@totalyep3 жыл бұрын
Don’t try to save it. Makes it worse.
@nearlyretired70052 жыл бұрын
If in doubt..let it spin,spin,spin. I have a few times and never damaged car! Luckily!
@m1bjr6 жыл бұрын
Nice S2000 man :)
@dannyboyy313 жыл бұрын
Christ, that snapped hard!
@TiJayFLY3 жыл бұрын
Front drive
@alfagtv1003 жыл бұрын
Went in a little hot. Exited a little hot.
@SibbyStiggy3 жыл бұрын
It's front wheel drive, you don't need to correct, just hold the wheel straight and it'll swing back straight itself. Inexperienced I guess.
@j4yos942 жыл бұрын
Position,speed,gear and don't break whilst mid corner it unbalances your car. Get over to the left as safely possible, Scrub your speed get in the correct gear and use the accelerator to get you around the corner not your brakes.
@benbrown1889 Жыл бұрын
I hate this corner on iracing
@paullees5705Ай бұрын
I wonder how he's going to explain that to his insurance company????
@E4RLIESАй бұрын
Personally speaking I take the risk; cars can generally be repaired. Although you cannot claim on normal car insurance, trackday specialist cover is available but you have to cause a large amount of damage to make a claim worthwhile
@fchow86523 жыл бұрын
Took the wrong line, enter the corner too early and over speed
@richardbaron29484 жыл бұрын
Wow, totally the wrong line..
@greyguy.9602 жыл бұрын
Nice camera angles !
@JKDJack2 жыл бұрын
That's a hold the brake till you stop moment right there
@oscarzt16522 жыл бұрын
did the camera car gear knob come off?
@E4RLIES2 жыл бұрын
No I was the nob behind the wheel gear nob was also ok 👌🏼 I was frustrated waitin for Hyundai man to progress so I was flapping my hand about sarcastically 👋🏼
@bonkeydollocks18793 жыл бұрын
If you're going to turn into a skid, make sure you steer back out of it 🙄
@djflintstone28162 жыл бұрын
Ouch that hurt I have a Hyundai coupe great little car
@dominicbritt2 жыл бұрын
Could see that coming a mile off - car got what it deserved...
@NackDSP2 жыл бұрын
Once off track push the brake and stop. He crashed trying to re-enter the track at speed.
@markstephens10262 жыл бұрын
that noise, bang, bang.....
@douglasmitchinson19362 жыл бұрын
Lucky for you he didn’t come back in front of you.
@E4RLIES2 жыл бұрын
Erm he did that’s kinda why I backed off and waited for the inevitable? 🤔
@justinholloway52103 жыл бұрын
Should have braked when he went four wheels off and help the car come to a stop when it hit the pavement; that way it wouldn't of had the momentum to hit the wall.
@AS3R1US3 жыл бұрын
man i wish i lived in a country that has so many tracks. Where i live, theres only 1 track, that isn't a karting one....
@dannytorpedo3 жыл бұрын
Hahaha that corner has all the required factors to bin it by doing a small mistake. The dip after the apex makes the rear step out very often when you are forcing it too much by entering too quick and the exit is becomes so tight that at that speed you're gonna end up wide drifting on the grass. Once his rears touched the asphalt again they gripped up and there was no human way to realign the steering wheel quickly enough to correct that after not expecting it lol
@jamespugh37293 жыл бұрын
This is so true- the elevation change leading up to the corner, weird sight lines and trees before the corner tend to make people nervous, and the elevation change mid corner really bites unless you really spot turn in, apex and exit. The armco tightening on the left is also in "vision" if you miss the apex- which doesn't help someone unused to the course. I almost trashed a very nice jag on an invite day there by thinking I knew what I was doing lol
@gavinvalentino60023 жыл бұрын
"lol" Sounds like a girl.
@alexthyer16813 жыл бұрын
@@gavinvalentino6002 alright, calm down Gavin mate
@mikaelgaiason6882 жыл бұрын
Just glad it wasn't the s2k
@amg8632 жыл бұрын
That sounds and looks like 200hp. What were you driving
@Blacksunshine6362 жыл бұрын
Early Apex = Early Exit.
@hotwire962 жыл бұрын
First thing to learn as a novice (which the driver of the Hyundai most definitely is) is to simply cut your losses. Don't quite get on the brakes early or hard enough and miss the apex? Just bail out and keep the car straight and under control off the track, don't keep the foot buried and hope that just powering out will fix your mistake, have to own it and learn from it for the next lap. Better to lose a lap than lose the car by putting it into the fence.
@robertkorn Жыл бұрын
Exactly this^
@matthewgoodwin79492 жыл бұрын
This is why you go neutral inputs when you go past the limits of your car
@yup33983 жыл бұрын
Too much engine for him
@kingchurchill25357 ай бұрын
I've never driven on a race track. My wife is giving me a track day for my birthday prezzie driving 3 Aston Martins (James Bond Triple Drive Experience). My nearest venues are Oulton Park and Three Sisters. Can anyone tell me which one I should choose?
@E4RLIES7 ай бұрын
Without a doubt Oulton Park! Three sister is primarily a karting circuit, narrow and twisty, you will have a blast at Oulton👍🏼👍🏼 (Always watch out for Hyundais though 😉)
@kingchurchill25357 ай бұрын
@@E4RLIES Great! Thanks for the advice! Now if you could just predict the weather for me? 😂
@RHBTurbochargers3 жыл бұрын
thought i was watching in slow motion
@E4RLIES3 жыл бұрын
I had to slow it down a lot so it was perceptible to the human eye lol
@RHBTurbochargers3 жыл бұрын
@@E4RLIES thanks
@jameswilson88203 жыл бұрын
Ouch that was painfully expensive
@gengiz2 жыл бұрын
Atleast it was only tiburon!
@smokemeakipper10762 жыл бұрын
That's what's known as a 'tank slapper'
@syrks76323 жыл бұрын
Poor Hyundai Tiburon , it's an easy handling FWD car , I don't know what happened 😟
@warboyrbАй бұрын
Never played ACC at Oulton clearly..
@E4RLIESАй бұрын
Lol games are one thing, reality bites hard😝
@An_Arbitrary_Miscellany3 жыл бұрын
"And so then I just gassed it".
@munnytalk77543 жыл бұрын
bro forgot he was ina fwd car
@mitchellcurtis36042 жыл бұрын
When you drive a shitbox and think it's a race car
@alexvanbreemen90832 жыл бұрын
This is another way to find the limit.
@alfiec52572 жыл бұрын
Awesome 🤩
@Pits7502 жыл бұрын
Hopefully that is one less Hyundai Coupe on the road though.
@jj51062 жыл бұрын
Good, now open that S2000 up.
@donaldwainwright2 жыл бұрын
Awsome circuit I have ridden around it on a motorcycle
@M3ANER2 жыл бұрын
Well that sucks.
@romfordwisp2 жыл бұрын
That was my wife going to Asda’s she’s got lost again 😩