You cant get 2 DNF's in one race

​@@tjeerd7360but Checo kinda did get that though😂

@@mia_adriana3494 kinda... but not really

​@@tjeerd7360You can't get an DNQ, DNF and DSQ in the same race either, except if you're Hans Heyer. Perez withdrew and was labelled 'out' in the timing tower, came back on track, withdrew again and was labelled 'out' again. That is, in my book, two DNFs.

@@tjeerd7360 yeah I know

have they ever given a 0? i can't recall

@@aliciag9874 Yes, they have given 0 to drivers several times before

​@@aliciag9874 Lance got it last week

For the quali I guess, otherwise Lance would've been -1 in Singapore.

Zero was 100% deserved

Tommy gave him the same rating Russell got in Singapore. Ridiculous.

@@gameofender4463 Checo was a pure amateur out there, not a singular glimpse of comparison to his teammate in the exact same car, through practice or qualifying… And then a diabolical race that not even a rookie could be excused for, driving like a f1 23 online lobby player, a joke that he’s in a top team, and yet somehow he gets the same rank as George in Singapore. Stupid.. Checo is 0 this weekend and should be out of his seat asap

​@@jdm5330 I want Checo out as much as the next guy, but the replacements aren't ready yet

@@mohammadnashitsiddiqui2168I’d take anyone on the grid over him - Sargeant… ideally Lawson Ric or Tsunoda in 2025 though. Or Lando / Leclerc as their contracts are currently only through 24’ ?

@@jdm5330 Idk why Charles would make that move or Lando, they're going to be the B drivers and the car will be built for Max more than it will be built for them. The need someone to compliment Max more than anything and not someone to try and compete with him.

Hating on George is the “cool” thing to do apparently. Hard to not feel sympathy for the guy even if he’s not your favourite.

1 out of 10 is too high for Checo, that race was an absolute 0.

@@takeit1229 that divebomb was so dumb

seriously the hate I've seen online has been insane @@gameofender4463

@@takeit1229this was the worst performance i have ever seen of a driver in a top team.

They forgor💀

He was decent in quali

​@@MoliikCZEhe was what? ☠

I figured we would see our first negative score

@@MoliikCZE ah yes, getting beaten by your teammat by 8 TENTHS is really a solid drive

Their ratings never make sense. Mediocre race gets you a 7 or 8, everything else is a 4 or 5.

They account for Qualifying too. Stroll got a 0 last time because he qualified 20th and didn't participate in the race.

Maybe we need to blame Sainz and Hamilton for the start contact, the rest is on Perez.

@@Husshuss100if they are accounting for qualifying it should be a -1, not just 0. He was 8 tenths off. It’s horrific

@@_chosen1_ It's said he could not know there were two Ferraris on the right. See the empty road ahead. Where would they be? No I'm not full blaming Hamilton, but he's done enough race starts to know Perez likely can't give him room.

+ they dont even rate him as a rookie anymore (which is a good and a bad thing)

The Lando bias is extreme with these two. To out qualify Lando on a track he’s never raced before and get a podium and a front row start is a 9 in my book.

@@JC-lu4se When you look at the ratings in the quality press that is the view that Oscar did well in quali but in the race Lando was on a different level. Remember he out qualified Lando by just .03 and that got him the front row start. You cant count it twice. Tommo docked Lando a point for that. He was in the second fastest car in the race . If Lando hadnt had issues and the virtual safety car hadnt happened (for once in Oscars favor) he could have ended up 30 secs behind Lando. Thats huge. Oscar admitted it wasnt a good drive. You dont like the reality of the drive being addressed rather than the hype around the driver. You need to get used to it. Oscar doesnt need the rookie excuse for a higher rating. He is a very good F1 driver.

Not just that...he let Lando pass...if he defended Lando would of worn his tyres alot more.

Also, his wage is way lower than Lando would not been mentioned either...

scenes it is then

we need katie back or a 3rd host so they feel comfortable having variety in their opinions

They even shared script for Zhou. “13th looks good on paper … only finished ahead of two Haas”

They differed on 5 in this video...

And still Tsunoda gets a 7 after being beaten by a 4-race rookie teammate It will be so so sad if we see Stroll and Sargent driving next season and Lawson without a seat

@@KA95132 He qualified ahead of Lawson and was beaten in the race by a couple seconds... 8 for Lawson, 7 for Tsunoda seems quite fair.

@@KA95132 I suspect Perez will solving Lawson's problem. "What you say, we do like Daniel at McLaren, you pay me and I don't drive?" They could have him do some promo events in Mexico and such, gets some reasonable value from him and not ask a lot of travel. If Williams were to get Lawson on loan and THEN Perez retires from F1 racing, there is a real problem already. Put Iwasa, Hauger or Hadjar in the AT? For Iwasa they'd want Honda money, Hauger and Hadjar are meh. Then there's Caldwell, Maloney and Fittipaldi. Any of them show they "got it"?

​@@soundscape26He was beaten but under a second, not a couple seconds

@@Cloxxki Iwasa and then Maloney, but Im not convinced either of them are anywhere close to Liam.

Competition from Logan hardly fierce

​@@chriscampbell1309 or Nyck De Goat

@@Lastname6955nah Nyck takes the win. He definitely impressed us all. I’m not sure how anyone with his experience, debut and hype could be any less of a driver. That’s impressive.

Completely spot on

While Oscar seemed very much invisible until Silverstone, Logan began to be a Mazepin 1.5 We had 4 Rookies this Year, two of them do fine, the others are/were horrendous. I dont think that Williams is even capable of keeping Logan because he produces way to much costs with his crashes (not even taking into account that his skill is evolving backwards)

I mean for Oscar, the car he's driving is definitely getting better.

Yeah Logan had a few bright spots this season, he even had that one session in which he made it to Q3 and... immediately crashed the car. So inconsistent, so many rookie mistakes. I've been a big supporter of Logan Sargeant, believing he deserved another season to show what he can do, but now I think Liam Lawson is more deserving of a spot than he is. Maybe F1 just isn't for Sargeant, I hope he finds himself a spot in IndyCar or some other category where he can shine.

@Oscar42o 100%, but it's still not a guaranteed podium and all. Just look at Checo. Or Strolls 0 podiums compared to Alonsos 7.

And.... you may have missed it, but he was also joking. In reality, just watch the interviews in Dutch on Dutch television, you see Max wasn't bothered at all by what happened in Singapore. Usually he wins by twenty seconds, so it's just his way of saying he would return to form. And he did.

Lol, It reminds me of the Babe Ruth moment where he Called The Shot in baseball.

​@@FrancisFjordCupolaI think he'd be pissed off if the car was capable of being up there but he couldn't manage to do it. In Singapore however, the car was just nowhere near the front, so what's the point in getting bothered by that

@@FrancisFjordCupola I don’t if I watched the Dutch of Spanish interview or both - I noticed he was “joking” or it was a tongue in cheek comment. But I can’t help but think, on some level, he really meant it. Similar to the comment after Q3, the “see 28” comment to GP as in saying, told you I could beat the 1.29 and it wasn’t really necessary

"Sir, there's been a 2nd front wing"

Technically it was a double retirement, not a double DNF!

@@2Fast4Mellow A retirement is a DNF and a DNF doesn't have to be a retirement.

​@@ftc-nl1041thats not true. You get a DNF because of a retirement. But it is not the same. You only DNF at the end of the race, when you dont cross the finishline. But you can retire the car during the race

Agreed! I really hope Williams find some sense and replace Sargeant with Lawson.

Looking more likely he'll be driving for Alpha Tauri, there's no way Sergio survives this embarrassing career demise.

I think a part of it is he's driving with nothing to lose. Not saying he isn't or won't be great but we saw the same thing with Nyck last year and its possible that is a contributing factor. Hopefully the rumors that he was promised a seat for 2025 are true.

Rumours are that he has been promised a seat in the RB family in 2025 for signing on as the third driver for 2024. But with how Checo is performing, I could very well see Liam driving for either RB or AT in 2024 already.

@@einstijn138 Nah, definitely not RB though

I’ve been wondering that for a while now. Not defending him entirely, but with how progressively “worse” he’s been as the season goes on it makes sense, (compared to the up & down “Strollercoaster” consistency he’s had really his whole F1 career).

@@michaelwilkie35. I would agree but he’s been progressively detached in his behavior as well. And Ric’s injury included multiple breaks in a single area, not one (on each side, sure) with stroll.

Makes you wonder why the other 19 don't use that mode sometimes.

Checo was in slaughter mode too, just with different targets to hit@@Cloxxki

That would be fun. Like the driver gets a 4 out of 5 but the team gets a 1/5 for forgetting to bring the tires out or something. Or the driver gets a 1/5 for running the car off the road and getting a pit lane speeding penalty and the team gets a 5/5 for a sub 3s stop and perfect strategy call.

Fernando: *Breath* That's a whopping 8/10 for me!

It's because rookies have been bred out of the sport. There used to be little special about rookies since most drivers just ran two or three seasons.

He really should have two podiums this year

lol

He was actually good at the start of the season with a few 7/8s but now he’s dropped off

Stroll got an 8 (Matt) and a 9 (Tommy) in Bahrain when he did that sick overtake with a broken wrist. He got another 8 from Matt in Spain and a bunch of 7s early in the season when Aston Martin still had a good car. On average, he's scored a 4.8 over the season.

​@@thomasvrielink299are you a stroll fan keeping scores or do you have an amazing out of this world memory?

He got a P4 in Australia... under unusual circumstances alright, but that should have earned him a 7 or something.

Long gone? Just because RBR did RBR things with De Vries (and Kvyat. and Gasly) doesn't mean other teams are as ruthless with their drivers.

I mean A LOT of money indeed cause his crashes are already costing $4M

@@julianschwertzthewoodlands4161 f1 is not a school , he is to green to f1, they are just burning him.

@@julianschwertzthewoodlands4161RBR is the only one with money enough to do that They're the only top team with a proper sister team that they don't care (or don't until next season) finish 10th

@julianschwertzthewoodlands4161 you recon a team like Williams can afford the estimated $4M in damages, they publicly stated that their development for next year is being hampered by these costs

So you think lance deserves a 0 out of 10 for being 10 seconds behind alonso, then alonso must be a 2 out of 10

And yet he gets the same as George in Singapore 😂.

@@gameofender4463 Excepting George was racing for win and Perez hit 3 cars in the best car.

Especially when a rookie who had never driven Suzuka made the podium

@@nommchompsky Given Piastri's display at Suzuka and Lawson at Singapore, I wonder how much weight never having raced at a given track really carries...

@@soundscape26 True. Modern simulators with laser scanned tracks are probably huge for track knowledge

He beat his teammate by 20 seconds though

I mean that Aston it seems is nowhere near the top 4 cars, so what you expect from him more than a solid 8th

If you had listened, you would have know that the car is not as developed as other cars and therefore Alonso really had to throw his weight around and push upwards to get that result. Same thing as with Max, basically; you may have the better car, you still have to pull through and he pulled through.

@@FrancisFjordCupola yeah but he didn’t really push it upwards. There was nothing particularly notable or good about his performance unless you count making Q3. He still finished behind all the Red Bulls, Mclarens, Ferraris and Mercs. Which are the only cars the Aston is currently worse than.

Bruh if he maximized everything, didn't made a single mistake, made a perfect start, if he pitted during vsc in start could have max p7. 8 is pretty good

No lol, its because that's where the car is atm. Alonso likely got the most out of the car since we know he can in fact do that, minimum 8 for Alonso tbh. He got the car as high as it can be

Well its no secret that RB didn't get on with how he worked during a race weekend and that they didn't want him back when they had a vacant seat

Gasly was always a hothead.

Max is probably the most angry driver on the grid, on the radio and in person, as shown in Brazil 2018. But the difference is he’s among the best F1 drivers ever so it’s fine. Gasly is an average F1 driver so can’t get away with the tantrums

He made to Q3, credit where credit is due 😂

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It's entertainment bud, relax.

Part of that is Max was trying to squeeze out Piastri so he was moving sideways a fair bit instead of holding a line.

Disgusting McLaren bias stinks

Maybe he lost that 1/2 a point by getting beaten in quali.

Almost. But he didnt take the lead.

Also his overtake on Russel was amazing and he had similar pace to Piastri most of the race

How often did he crash in F2 though? Genuine question as I don't actually remember. What I do know is that he was only 1 point behind Lawson who very much looks to be up to the standard of F1 so I'm not so sure you can judge drivers by how they perform in other series.

The fact that he still needs his engineer to tell him how to manage his tires means he still has room for improvement. It's not perfect so why argue for a 10?

Some of it bad luck, some of it being Lewis Hamilton taking out his front wing at the start.

You mean Perez jolting to the left, pushing Lewis onto the grass and damaging his front wing as a result? I’ve seen a lot of people twisting that moment to make it sound like Lewis crashed into him, it’s crazy

There's no way you actually think that was Hamilton's fault

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I’m sorry to tell you but it matters. In Japan McLaren pace was way higher than the other teams that’s why his position wasn’t in serious threat. And that’s why Oscar wasn’t happy with his performance because he knew if teams were closer (like hungry) he was going to lose some positions.

I'm also an Oscar fan but I think 8 is actually a bit generous. Considering he got lucky with the VSC and Lando got held up he was actually well off the pace. I don't think it will last though. I don't think it will be too long before Oscar is a genuine threat to Lando in races as well as qualifying.

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But that is what everyone wants from an unknown rookie; utter ruthless genius and exceeding all expectations and making the impossible possible. I think we have too few teams (should be 13 at least) and all of them holding on too hard to their current line-ups.

He was slower than Yuki in qualy and the race

@@Evarakeus Liam was faster in Q1, but failed to hook up the lap in Q2, and was on pace with Yuki in the race. Everything I said is on the premise that Liam is still a rookie, who jumped in the car mid season nontheless, and the fact I rate Yuki.

spot on

its literally just for fun calm down man

Sad Lando Fan 😢

Maybe a point off for being a whiny brat on the radio?

Did he even get damage on lap 1? I know he had debris from another car stuck to his wing, but I must have missed it if he was in a collision as well.

Feel the same. 5 points for 13th finish vs 5 points for DNF doesn't make any sense to me. Is this Japan GP rating or personal preference rating?

@@tom.m he had damage and had to pit.

@@Oscar42o He had to pit because he got showered with debris from a collision ahead and some jammed in his front wing. It was completely unavoidable and it's not clear if there was any actual damage. It doesn't look like he ever touched another car. Again, unless I've missed a bit? Seems real harsh to knock his points for it.

these guys never really pay attention to 90% of the drivers, they just rate them based on results

What a load of delusional rubbish 😂.

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Oscar race pace was so bad here. I think in Singapore without the upgrades was closer to Lando than here

He beat every car except his teammate and Max.@@remeah2211

Terrible qualifying. Unlucky race ending... but during the race he quietly did move up through the pack, taking plenty of positions. Which was good, but sadly missed by most. Then the rear wing threatening to fall of and the subsequent retirement made for a complete unremarkable day at the office.

@@FrancisFjordCupola I guess I didn’t know there were real Stroll fans. That’s fair.

Logan also trashed his car in quali.

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Apparently he’s getting hated on because he was a “bad team player” 😂.

Sounds like Lewis stans are upset.@@gameofender4463

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Click on Boi

Yes having a great race, I watched his onboard but yeah a bad season too. I don't think he is a f1material but anyway

And after a weekend where he ruined Tsunoda and Albon's races by doing the exact same thing he did to Magnussen.

I would honestly say yes. Mazepin was painfully slow but he didn't crash as much as Sargeant does.

@@whyareyoureadingmynickname8158 I agree. And I think the team would rather have a slow weekend than one full of damage and costly repairs.

He's having a terrible second half, that's for sure. I think people see Piastri and forget that it's actually normal for rookies to do rookie things like crashing. Just look at Tsunoda. He crashed a lot during his first season and was even surprised they re-signed him.

@@julianschwertzthewoodlands4161 I feel like Tsunoda still had a couple of decent weekends though. Sargeant has not had a single weekend to show he deserves a seat in F1.

Yeah, this is EXACTLY the same I've been thinking for a few weeks now. It makes the most sense. Checo's underperforming, and needs to go, but it would be risky to put Lawson in with little experience. I just fear that it would be a repeat of Gasly and Albon, not being ready for the pressure of going up against Max. So put Danny in there to keep the seat warm, while Lawson goes in the AT for a year or 2 to get some F1 experience so he doesnt suffer the same fate of all Max's previous team mates.

And if Perez keeps driving like this, it will happen before next season begins.

Its basically confirmed that this is their thinking. Danny stays in AT for 24, takes Checos seat for 25, Lawson moved into AT. Then my guess is Danny stays at RB for 2-3 seasons given I think that's about how much time he has left in the sport at that stage. Then I see Lawson taking his place and might be moving into being the No1 driver after 2028 since I think Max is leaving to do other racing categories after his contract is up

​@@walover165not likely, other than Horner insisting that Checo is staying until next year, performances like in Japan are a rarity for Checo. You can be sure that Checo will get back to the top 5 or the podium in Qatar.

@@accent1666 Horner also said Gasly was safe and Albon was safe, too. And performances like Japan haven't been rare. Singapore and Monaco were like that too.

Yup they were both bad

@@tiebiriusgDifferent levels of bad. Russell tapped the wall too hard. Perez destroyed how many cars and wings in THAT car?

Well, Matt gave him a 4 (I think) so better focus on the positives.

@@soundscape26Yeah I’ve always respected Matt for being fairer and more objective.

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Plenty of other youtubers have done that already.

@@tak8261 they have done one without mac or redbull i said one without checo just to se if he was actually useless in wining this championship

@@CrAzY__SaM Not sure how that is meaningful in any way. So, RB without Checo would have 400 points, which still puts them ahead of other teams, but then other teams would have picked up more points so it might be close. So, let's say that after running the numbers, RB end up being second without Checo. Does this make Checo's contribution more meaningful or makes his performance look any better? Not really, all it shows is that, Max has been so dominant that he still almost single handedly won the title for the team, and the fact that you could probably have had Nick De Vries or Logan on that seat and RB would still have won quite comfortably. Also, I think the fundamental issue isn't necessarily about Perez's point contribution since the car is so fast that any driver should be placing P2 every race. It is the fact that, his pace is so significantly behind Max AND that he has made too many errors that, if the other teams start catching up, then Perez would start finishing much lower, and this could cost RB the championship. To put it into perspective, at Suzuka McLaren scored 33 points in total. IF Perez didn't screw up and finished P6, that would put RB at 34 points, barely beating McLaren. That kind of scenario is what RB need to be afraid of.

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Yes, but only because KMag got held up behind that 3-way bump down towards turn 1. He lost about 4 positions on that because he had nowhere to go. I honestly don’t think Nico deserved a 5, because he still only ended up just ahead of KMag despite KMag losing so much time and many positions twice...

How’s it greedy? 😂. The team had already thought about it before the race 😂