I see what you did there

Good one.

edelrid already has an aramide enforced rope

Luckily Mammut does quite some cutting-edge research!

⁠​⁠@@Crazyhero-zi6ytI know right, mammut are the “apple” of the climbing. “coming out” with things that have been around for years and acting like it’s a massive leap they came up with..

wanted to write exactly this. You were first but 100% agree.

Why? Mammut's testing is next level compared to a KZfaqr!

@@Mdjagg ....because he is not testing his own stuff? 😂 iamgine you could have graded your essays in school yourself....do you reckon it'd would have been all the same grades? Bias is a thing, so you always want someone as close to neutral as possible to rate/review a product. because mammut would never come out and say: its ok, but the other companies is much better. or: yeah, its pretty shit. dont buy it. companies will always say their product is good, because they have to 🤷‍♂

They already do this. Its called the UIAA. Thinking a youtuber is qualified because he has a machine that pulls things is hilarious. Would you buy a life saving piece of equipment stamped "How Not To Highline Approved"? The world really is falling apart.

@@Mdjagg maybe we just like the guy

So simple, so smart!

The 90 cm height is for a single rope, and the 75 cm is for the half rope. We reduced the height because the half rope is tested in single strand - and we are testing a 8.0 diameter half rope compared to a 9.5 mm single rope. Since the rope is thinner we have to reduce the height.

it’s unfortunate you have to skew the test..

​@@mammutwhen will the full rope 90cm drop test be conducted?

@@collinfranks hey, look at @alex_shaner's comment. that might be a good explanation?

​@@AuxiliaryPantherthey did @ 3:25, before the half rope test.

The (yellow) Aramid fibers are very strong and this makes the rope harder to cut. Apply tape, cut using a sharp knife. The aramid fiber will not burn, therefore it is good if the (white) polyamide fibers stick out further than the (yellow) aramid. Do burn the end to melt the polyamide.

@@mammut Could you provide an instruction with pictures on how to do the cutting properly? Great innovation, thank you Mammut engineers!

We're happy to hear!!

thinking the same

Not at all.........

Would that even be a bad thing? More people need to know this exists, to get more people to be safer. Seems like a classic win-win.

What a feat of marketing genius. I mean it's a great innovation either way.

Of course it is... And why wouldn't they? They have an innovative product. Are they not allowed to promote it?

noticed that too. looks sketchy to boast about how safe it is and then make totally different tests which rely on theoretical math. they need to make a real test, with real ropes, real height and real weight. Reality is often different from theory.

Yeah because they had to reduce the inner core size to make it the same width

@@telkmxI think they reduced the outer sheath not the inner core. They mentioned it in the hard is easy video. It’s all a bit of give and take. You get much better cut resistance but you lose out on a little durability due to the thinner outer sheath.

@@hardcorebanana97 Oh ive seen the video and heard inner sheath because outer is already so thin but okk would make sense to keep fall ratings

This is correct. The core protect rope has slightly less material in the sheath to make room for the aramid sheath and that is why the weight is more or less the same.

@@mammut wouldn't it cause faster wear on not "cutting", but "grinding" scenario? Like simply pulling the rope up over some edges while climbing?

DO IT

I believe static ropes are already made of aramid since aramid doesn't stretch very much (which is why the aramid is wrapped with extra length in this rope: so it doesn't get fully stretched during a fall)

Semistatic/static ropes are made of polyamid just like dynamic ropes. Aramid are mostly used in static ropes for better heat resistans.

Our production partner Teufelberger will be offering a static version.

@@mammut cheers

I was thinking about this as well. By reducing the fall distance, you are also reducing the fall factor. BUT after rewatching the video you can see that they were testing two different rope diameters in their two tests. 9.5mm and then 8.0mm.

The 90 cm height is for a single rope, and the 75 cm is for the half rope. We reduced the height because the half rope is tested in single strand - and we are testing a 8.0 diameter half rope compared to a 9.5 mm single rope. Since the rope is thinner we had to reduce the height.

@mammut 7 days ago Our production partner Teufelberger will be offering a static version. Quoted from an earlier response

This rope has slightly less material in the outer cover to make room for the aramid. This means that it is not quite as durable as the standard 9.5 Dry when used for sport climbing. This is something we also see in our lab tests. But we also know that the rope has survived several trips to Patagonia, which is a very good sign and an indication that the ropes are very durable for mountaineering.

We know that the aramid makes the ropes more resistant to cutting, based on the edge test, the sharp carabiner test and facts about the material itself. It is very difficult to test a rockfall because every impact is different, making it impossible to get a valid comparison.

This rope is tested in the EN test and we fulfill it. We also have a lot of core protect ropes out with climbers and mountain guides and core slippage has not been an issue.

@@mammut that's great to hear.

The 70m version will be in stock again at the end of June!

Look for the yellow aramid fibers. If you see them through the outer sheath, then it is time to cut or replace the rope. If you only check by hand, then you should pull the rope through your hand and check for abnormalities. If the core feels super stiff or if it has soft spots, this is an indication that something is wrong.

Good question. Yes, many different loads and angles could be tested. We decided to go with the granite edge test because it has an angle & load that is very realistic and it delivers consistent test results.

Both rope technologies offer increased cut resistance compared to a conventional climbing rope. The main difference is that the Core Protect technology focuses on maintaining the dynamic aspects of the rope as much as possible.

Our production partner Teufelberger will be offering a static version.

We will continue developing this product. Exactly what we will bring to the market in the future is nothing we can share at the moment.

the comment from @alex_shaner might properly explain why. reduced height gives 83% of the energy, and the rope is 84% smaller

@@raisaga9273 yes but given the rope is supposed to be a revolution wouldn’t you think it should be given the same test circumstances? Cause you dont really choose your fall height when on an actual wall..

Price 😂 in a gym you wont run the danger of a cut, so why whip on the $$$ line. I use a regular classic crag not dry coated no nothing for regular sport crags and gym climbing. Id use the cut resistant one for trad and alpine.

Well, the downside is that it costs more. It a bit like driving around with a Jeep in the city. Yes, it is doable... But does it make sense? One of our other ropes would likely be more fitting for a gym setting.

Yeah, a little hard to spot between all the clips of ropes being cut, but at 3:36 they show the 9.5 mm core protected rope withstanding the cut. The outer sheath gets cut, but the middle sheath keeps the rope from snapping all the way.

@@Tito_9612 I see - thank you for pointing this out. This might be the first time I wish the marketing department would have done a better job reviewing the video ;).

The 90cm height is for a single rope, and the 75cm is for the half rope. We reduced the height because the half rope is tested in single strand. And we are testing a 8.0 diameter half rope compared to a 9.5 mm single rope. Since the rope is thinner we have to reduce the height.

We tried all sorts of fibers and Aramid performed the best in our wide range of test series.

You'll find the weight and diameter on the product page: www.mammut.com/ch/de/products/2010-04600-11288/9-5-alpine-core-protect-dry-rope

also, how much more does it cost to manufacture? (not industrial spying, just curious)

It is plausible and has happened with dire consequences. Luckily it’s rare. Have gotten close myself with some sharp rocks

it is currently the biggest weakness of dynamic climbing ropes... so yes

It is rare but some rope Breaks occur almost every season. If it happens to you you die (usually)...

Good question - we'll check with the team. Probably not though.

Who said he was acting? 😂 This is an actual employee of Mammut - our Climbing Gear Product Manager to be precise.

They literally test their ropes under the same conditions. Better rewatch the video 😅

The fall mass, granite edge, and sample length remained the same for all tests. Only the fall height differed based on rope classification. All our single ropes, ranging from 9.5 mm - 10.2 mm including the 9.5 Alpine Core Protect Dry, were tested with 90 cm fall height. Double ropes, diameter range 7.5 mm - 9.0 mm including the 8.0 Alpine Core Protect Dry rope were tested with 75 cm fall height. The test results within the same rope classification are comparable and that’s what we did. This is why we can confidently state that the 9.5 Core Protect outperforms all other single ropes in our assortment. Half ropes by classification are always tested with a lower impact compared to single ropes. That’s why we chose a reduced fall height to comply with the classification.