Waiting for the rapture got me in present financial hardship, I didnt try to pay off mortage while working nor plan for my paying off final expenses and never got help from ex husband. Now I am retired, old and still have a mortgage and paying on my funeral arrangements since I dont want to burden my children with that expense. It is bondage and fear and worry to be in dispensationalist or futerist teachings.

It makes me feel good to watch a video with someone who has been out of the message for 40 years. My family, who have never been in cult, doesn't understand while all this is such a big part of my life, even though I left the cult 20 years ago.

Thank you, John, and thank you, Mark, for sharing your knowledge and wisdom you both have gained from what you have been through and learned from your life experiences with cult or cult like church beliefs. I can relate to what you both speak of.

I'm so glad you got you and your family out of the cult!! Thanks for another great video, Mark and John!!!

Wonderful testimony Brother Mark thank God He opened your eyes to the truth and you came out of the message cult

I was a teenager when i joined the message too. People are so vulnerable at that age.

It might be more difficult but how much more critical for the person that is in a position of leadership to stop deceiving others and leading them astray from the Truth of God.

Stories are the best! X cult member here (not Message) but same kind of hurts. God has been faithful through it all!

I'm SO sorry about your brother and all the tragedies that happened to your family!!!!

Thank you for sharing your story. It's people like you that remind people like me, (who left a cult 18 years ago and still have family in) that I did the right thing. It's still incredibly painful, as my husband and children and now grandchildren are still in, but I know, someway, someday, they will start asking questions about what they've been taught; it's only a matter of time. Until then, my hope is found in Jesus and what He accomplished on the cross. God bless you for shining light into darkness.🙏🏻

Yes, John, thank you so much !!

So many tragedies, Brother Mark, God will sustain you. I'm glad your wife didn't stay in that extreme mess cult and leave.

I like how you have something in the middle of your long videos, going into detail about your website. There are probably people watching that don't know anything about your website.

It's really interesting hearing about these splinter groups that are so different than any of the churches i was in.

Wow, awesome interview, learned so much, God bless, Can you do an interview with someone who was close to William Branham? Thank you

John, you are so spot on with the problem of superstition being drawn into Christianity. Always a problem. But as a lefty myself - I will mention that my Mom (born in the late 1920's) was naturally left handed. In the public school system however, it was the practice to require students to practice right-handedness. We now know that forcing that issue has unintended consequences - such as tending to induce a form of dyslexia. Hampered my Mom all her life. And something my grandfather couldn't rectify in his healing ministry either.

I had a friend who could write with both hands. His father was so brainwashed but nothing with teh Message or something with religion, but with stupid superstition. His father tied his left hand behind his back and forced him to write with his right hand. So, so cruel. Unfortunately, my friend died in age of 49, his father never visit him ... very sad, and he was so talented, he love to draw... rest in peace Mario

Wow, i never heard of anyone saying women shouldn't handle the finances. I did that the whole time i was narried and in the message.

..around the 00:59 mark - we only change through great pain or great love.. and then Mark goes onto say you have to love the truth enough and yourself enough to leave.... ..that is so true. ...yes and also so difficult because of relationships and community..... its a huge bereavement... ...and yet with it there must come a freedom I would have thought.. God reveals the truth to those who love it and want to do whats right, scarily he hides it from those who dont... 2 Thess 2:10 They perish because they refused to love the truth and so be saved. 11 For this reason God sends them a powerful delusion so that they will believe the lie 12 and so that all will be condemned who have not believed the truth but have delighted in wickedness.

Hmm. Back decades ago, my uncle who was Assembly of God, gave me books by Watchman Née. I was just a teenager, but the books seemed solid? I hadn’t heard Watchman’s name until now. Interesting.

at 45:38 Good old Watchman Nee... some people said his teachings were questionable but it was glossed over when he lost his life... i have some of his books though, ive not actually worked out what was wrong with his teachings...

Por favor, subtítulos en español ... Así podremos saber de parte de ustedes, que dicen y quieren decir, los traductores de contenidos no conocen de lo que se dice y quieren decirnos usteddes, gracias ..

Enneagram is connected to occult right?

Please don’t demonize homeschooling sir , I just came from a 2024 home graduation and they are some of the brightest in the land .

The Enneagram?!!! Out of the frying pan into the fire.

I stopped listening after the enneagram reference.

The Enniagram is occult!!! 😮