Hey Charlie. I just came across this pretty good channel, includes scientists "Local Motives". Thanks for your always excellent work.

Great video

Seaspiracy was an awesome movie about this.

I think a better suggestion is to support MEER Reflection Project.... Build mirrors to restore earth's energy system. It's the only feasible solution

@@magiccloud3074 you might enjoy this video about mental health, focused on young people in the context of climate.... kzfaq.info/get/bejne/rJpkdMZ6ys25Z5s.html It's dark, but worth understanding, especially if you have young ones in your life! I agree a video about this could be useful, but it probably needs more time than the usual 8 or 9 minutes this channel usually dedicates... But I would say that about all things climate change, personally.

I dont know if you have read a book called the end of the line. If you have not I am thinking it might be worth a read. Its an older book but brings up some other really good points.

This comment is game recognizing game

Climate Town DOES NOT MISS, BABY

Climate Town best Town let's all live in Climate Town baybeee

Neither does climate town!

I met Paul, great man, a lot more humble and shy than i expected. Support him 100%

Seaspiracy

Yeah, seaspiracy is a great place to start.... That way you don't end up donating to someone who actually supports the industry

@@nitharshnirajagopal4575 As a studying marine scientist I want to emphasize however that while Seaspiracy is a great documentary that exemplifies the issues of the ocean currently, there is a great amount of forced information that was extremely cherry-picked for the documentary. I do support the purpose of the documentary but make sure to do full research on the great parts (what their goals are and how productive they are) and the worst parts (where does their funding really go, are they supportive of all cultural sustainable practices) of different charities.

Well the problem is not only illegal fishing, but also the legal one wich is as bad or even worse.

Don't dump a load of plastic and other pollution into its habitat as well.

and don't be exploitative industry that destroy our nature

The opposite is also true. If you want to prevent overpopulation of some species. Just eat them.

You gotta eat something. And no option comes with 0 impact.

@@user-tq1xt2ct8s We can eat vegetables, fruits, beans, nuts, seeds, algae and mushrooms…there’s no need to eat sentient beings who feel pain

Truth! Unfortunately, socialism doesn't fix this either. Only an environmentally conscious resource based economy makes sense if we actually want nature (and therefore ourselves) to survive

@@MattAngiono I mean, that's pretty much what ecosocialism and social ecology are about. Socialism isn't just Soviet-style extractivism, it's a huge and diverse body of work and ideas.

@@ZayanK I realize that. In many ways, I would say I believe in socialist ideas. But in general, it's still based in profit motive and consumption driven. Plus, it's been spread so thin in different variations that no one really knows the meaning. I think a new system and terminology would be better that doesn't have all the baggage. It's not just economics in need of reform either. The meta-crisis is also about meaning and making sense of the world, so new philosophy is part of what is needed as well. I'm not saying I have all the answers nor do I think anyone can. We still need some kind of community or democracy that takes many cooperative minds to figure out. It's really unprecedented that we've had this much knowledge and power with so much division between us. The solution will also have to involve some way of us realizing that we will never be entirely happy with whatever happens. Politics is always about perpetual annoyance, in the words of Jaron Lanier.... I think that's a pretty good assessment

Or we make it much more simple, stop eating fish. If the demand in fish goes down fishing in such high Volume isn't profitable anymore. Stop thinking that the world needs a new System, it's just the people that life in our current system who make wrong moralic decisions that harm our Planet. It's like Drugs, if governments ban it, people who really want it will find a way to get it. So we don't need regulations if more people will just make a right choice and lower their consumption.

@@MattAngiono Well as far as i know the more "general" type of socialism is not at all profit and consumption driven. It's just driven to benefit both the state and its people while the people also have more power in case something goes wrong. So i'm guessing eco-socialism is that but also with care for the envoirment so more regulations.

I just subscribed to Second Thought because of your comment, thank you! :-)

Same here

I love your name, you must be a fun guy!

@@MattAngiono Go to gulag 👉

@@YourCapyBruv_do_u_rmbr_3Dpipes the F is your problem?

@@MattAngiono 😑 Really?

@@YourCapyBruv_do_u_rmbr_3Dpipes really... it doesn't even make sense what you're suggesting or why

One fallacy I noticed within your comment is the idea of degrowth. It’s not necessary: “In the past many macroeconomists considered the need to cut emissions as a drag on the economy that lowers economic growth. This idea, that decarbonisation of our economies conflicts with economic growth, is still shared by many.12 But this is no longer the mainstream view. The latest annual IMF report estimates that policies, including carbon pricing, that mitigate climate change actually increase economic growth over the coming decades.13 This means that there is no trade-off between fighting climate change and economic growth. Fighting climate change is a way to achieve more growth.14 From the responses to my recent writing on the need of growth for ending poverty I saw that some people have not caught up with this. Fighting climate change is not just compatible with fighting poverty, the two goals - to reduce emissions and to increase economic growth - actually strengthen each other. It is very good news that fighting climate change is expected to increase growth over the coming decades, but the benefits to climate mitigation are larger than just additional growth: it also means a modernisation of key infrastructure, faster innovation, the protection of the biosphere on our planet, and the major health benefits of reduced air pollution caused by burning fossil fuels, including millions of lives saved. Taking both the costs and benefits into account makes a very clear argument for climate action now. Putting a price on carbon to build a low-carbon world is an investment for a much better future.” SOURCE: “The argument for a carbon price” - “Our World in Data”

​@@LeanAndMean44 I am always going to advocate for slowing western economies regardless if its necessary or not, there are a lot of factors outside of just ecological and climate issues when it comes to our current societies dependence on consumerism, such as psychological, psychological, and equality reason. Corporations will (and do) work people to death if they are allowed to. I am aware that if countries invested in cleaner energy sources, and new better sustainable practices that this will in the short term grow economies. That's fantastic that means that there should in theory be a lot of high paying and good jobs. At the same time even if its technically possible to correct the issue with only new technology, its way more feasible to correct the issues by ending our conspicuous consumption, and using these new technologies to produce what we need in more sustainable ways. I hope that we can make regulations to put a cap on really disgusting corporate practices, end aggressive marketing and corporate schemes that optimize for profit and ecological destruction (like planned obsolescence, stop using "green washing" campaigns as justification to pollute more and pushing the need for more and more single use items). I am also advocating for economic stabilization increasing profit Quarter over Quarter is insane, realistically there is an economic wall somewhere and continuing to pretend like we can (as a species) solve issues that are fundamentally about over consumption by consuming more is insane. We managed to get ourselves as a species onto a path towards auto-extinction in less than 300y (really the bulk of the problems are from the last 50 years and Majority of the accumulated manufactured plastics are produced in the year you are studying it). Strangely before humanity started to extract resources without concern for the environment we weren't at risk of ecological collapse on literally every continent on the planet. I am not stating that economic stabilization, the end of the growth economy, or economic contraction is necessary to solve the climate problem. Just that for me it is preferable and as far as I can tell its the best solution to our current set of predicaments. New technologies aren't going to slow the extinction rate of other species and bring back the marine diversity that many food webs rely on, even if they do solve the climate crisis. Conspicuous consumption is a threat to every living thing and right now we are just playing whack-a-mole of trying to use technology to solve problems we already have solutions to.

Seb Alex had some great videos about team seas

@@LeanAndMean44 did you just speak of the IMF respectfully??

@@ss9392 The fact that you have one joke signals that eating all that predatory fish has given you mercury poisoning

@@ss9392 such an old and outdated joking principle.

The best way to fight climate change!

Ah yes, attack people for what they normally eat, it's not like human nature has got the instinct to naturally do the opposite of whoever hostile to them or wants.

Absolutely!

also contains less mercury

@@jebbo-c1l and more fiber

What's holding you back on the last 3%? It's not that hard to become fully vegan, and then you can much more effectively advocate for animals including fish. People generally don't want to listen to anyone showing signs of hypocrisy, so it's much more effective when you're internally consistent. Still, you are doing better than most, so kudos for that at least

@@magiccloud3074 how about you? Plants are generally cheaper than animals anyway. The only reason they sometimes aren't is subsidies, because growing them is far less intensive and determinedly to the environment. That's why most meat is consumed in rich countries. If you literally have no choice, then obviously I'm not speaking about you, but for everyone else, there's simply no excuse.... it's abuse

@@magiccloud3074 I think you should watch this video by a climate scientist.... kzfaq.info/get/bejne/o9N-lrJ03NqqlZs.html The main thing to remember about veganism is that it's really about the animals. What we do to them is horrific and speaking ethically, it needs to stop! There's really no way to take a life that isn't abuse, because they obviously can't give consent, so even the very few that live good lives don't deserve what happens to them. Most animals that are used for food are tortured their entire lives, living a real life holocaust.... I get the thing about wasting food, I think that's bad too, but once you start seeing that animals really aren't your food, that whole mentality changes. I worked at a BBQ for a decade before this, so it's not like I was a Saint. I just could see that being ethically consistent about protecting nature really meant not eating sentient creatures.... ever! I hope you can see how much different it is when you commit to it. Who knows, your change could even spark new changes in your family if they see your committed! I know that's not likely, but you can't know until trying. Someday, we should all see that animals don't deserve this, and if you're compassionate enough to know vegetarian is a step in the right direction, why not just go all the way?

@@magiccloud3074 I don't believe that at all. What can you not get on plant based diets than you get in a omnivorous diet? Similarly monetary reason is just so insane to list as a reason to not go vegan, you know that not eating meat is seen as a sign of poverty right? All poor people in developing countries have very meat poor diets because they can not afford meat. To say that staple plant foods are expensive compared to meat is insane. Just compare how much legumes cost compared to beef, pork, chicken etc. Veganism is not expensive. Only if you go heavy on the processed stuff and want to buy every single fake meat alternative out there. It's literally the poverty diet.

@@magiccloud3074 Then you're not vegetarian. If you eat meat on occasion you can not call yourself a vegetarian lol.

Ye, china for example. One of the biggest offenders of overfishing at this point. Its their sheer voracious appetite driving them, not "mu capitalism"

Thank you, wanted to say this. What's happening is much, much worse than decimation...

Indigenous cultures fished sustainably, though it may have largely been due to lower populations rather than knowledge and methods. But this channel will often put left wing politics and anti-colonialism first and check the science later.

@@fehzorz yep, like...china's VORACIOUS appetite for seafood is not easily solved/explained by "muh capitalism"

yep, the problem is overconsumption in the west that is completely unnecessary

@@pishpled1982 Exactly!

@@magiccloud3074 even if it leads to depression, apathy, paranoia or what have you .. a lot of the science and reality is showing signs of near term collapse. That is why, the fish are dead (well most of them) Remember nature bats last

@@magiccloud3074 If one measures, according to Marine biologists - fish and aquatic population is falling, way faster than regeneration. Also a lot of the alive and reproducing fish have plastic in them - perhaps we do too ?!

That's because nutritionist they're not Dietitians and pretty everyone can be a nutritionist. It's not an actual protected title. So any can label themselves a nutritionist.

I studied nutrition and we were told we have to recomend fish once a week!? Our country doesnt have a sea, imagine the how many fishes it is if everyone did it :( and also the transport

All the mercury and microplastics in fish is also a big problem

I remember that's exactly what I was pushed into when I stated to my nutritionist I wanted to become vegan. Eventually I just ignored her and did it anyway. I'm healthier than ever, although nature around me is suffering immensely

People want to change the world but won't even change what they eat for breakfast.

Don't forget human greed. New iphone, new clothes, vacation home, etc

It's a subscription service....

@@MattAngiono I know, I’m subscribed, like a lot of people here I’m assuming. That doesn’t really answer my question though.

Money gives addiction

Lol, good one

Hopefully that changes.... I mean that the shelves will no longer have dead animals lining them.... If they are wasting money, that will soon follow! Become vegan and we can maybe just maybe save this planet from ourselves

@@slimetank394I would agree that we need many solutions and I never implied it was magical.... It's just the best way to stop rainforest destruction and the habitat loss that's coming from animal farming demands. The farms currently being used could be restored, a landmass the size of Russia, and that would sequester 16 years worth of emissions, according to a study in Nature.... The main solution we need has to deal with heat, and this can be done using mirrors, as outlined by a team at Harvard called MEER Reflection Project. I understand the sentiment, but humans disappearing would be disastrous for the ecosystem, because of all the nuclear power stations. These must be maintained or they will meltdown and release untold radiation that will destroy the ozone layer. They means all life will be be under threat from the ultraviolet rays. It's a predicament that we've created for sure, but only we can undo it. No other species can decommission those nukes. That's why civilization is now tied up with the wellbeing of the planet, paradoxically

@@MattAngiono i heard that animal agriculture including factory farming takes up north and south america combined so cutting meat intake is a start i barely eat meat now and when i do its organic or local as it helps smaller farmers using more sustainable methods insteads.

@@thechelsearantman6717 that's certainly true about the land use. But here's the thing, sustainable local animal farming is usually anything but... It takes way more land and resources to grow healthier meats, such as grass fed. Factory farming is way more efficient resource wise, by giving animals antibiotics, and confining them on less land. The pollutants that seep out of these places into the water is truly disgusting. That's the primary cause of dead zones. Thr problem is that none of it is truly sustainable on a mass scale, with over 7 billion humans to feed. We could recreate a much healthier landscape by just ditching this cruel practice and eating plants and fungi instead. There's such delicious alternatives now that there's little reason not to

@@MattAngiono thats why i said less of it. Tbf i probably will be vegan soon at some point anyway as im mostly plant based anyway currently

AnCaps want no government, which is either impossible or is just feudalism. You need a government if you’re going to have private property rights. And as long as you incentivize profit, this is exactly what you get, unless you have sufficient regulations. These are not the things that Libertarians want, they advocate for very little government intervention in almost all aspects of life. I’m not here to change your mind or anything, but I’m thinking maybe it might be time to at least start reading literature from other ideologies. At least look into what solutions we offer.