As soon as we can!

Since gen 2 max pack has the same motors and battery … do we expect a difference? Maybe if they use the long range wheels? Also, the max pack is $14k not $16k (stated at the beginning at the video)

@@KyleConner Awesome! I'm very interested in the LFP - I'm thinking it might be the one to get if it is close to stated range and if the charging curve is good.

Yes please…at 80 (speed limit), no one driver under

@@MiguelPalavicciniRivian changes price on Max pack several times..started at $19,100.

😂 makes me sad

I went to college in the early 90s outside Burlington, NC and there's a shopping center there called Cum Park Plaza. I think it still exists, but it got kinda internet famous 20-ish or so years ago when someone posted a picture of the sign online. Lol.

Yeah, it’s a bummer that all of the Kum and Go branding is gone. They also seemed to be interested in building things that were more on the eco side as well. No idea if that will carryover into the Maverik stations.

Very sad day 😂

"originally estimated to be" - yeah, they also were originally going to make Max Pack a physically larger pack, filling the empty space in the R1T's longer frame/wheelbase, and the R1S wasn't going to get it at all. This was also before they announced the dual motor version. The longer range did match up perfectly with the empty space - Rivian Gen1 packs have 9 modules in the pack, and the claimed extra range was 12/9ths the range of the Large pack - imply it was just going to be the same chemistry with 3 additional modules in the pack, using that extra space in the R1T's longer wheelbase. "185 kWh" was just an estimate based on that "12/9ths" assumption and the Large pack's 140 kWh gross capacity. It was never officially announced by Rivian, just "400 mile Max Pack coming later." Then they announced dual motor, which is more efficient, and Max Pack just became a slight battery chemistry change that slightly increased energy density. This allowed the more efficient dual motor to hit the mile-range target without any increase in number of modules in the pack with this different chemistry. This means the R1S can get the "Max Pack" now. And also why Max Pack was *ONLY* available on the Dual Motor - because that's the only config that could hit the previously advertised "400 Mile Max Pack" range. But yeah, I'd love it if they were to offer the R1T with a physically larger pack, bumping the range to well above Chevy Silverado EV range.They could have a 560 mile range R1T!

@@AnonymousFreakYT I worked there. The original max pack prototype R1Ts were 185kwh. They could fit it in the truck by using the extra space under the back seats. They could not get it to fit in the R1S. They were working on it and scrapped those plans and came out with what you see in this video.

@@Buringrud Good to know all the pundit guesses were correct on the capacity, then! This is the first I've heard from an insider truly _confirming_ it was supposed to be 185 kWh. All prior hard numbers were pure speculation. (Or "I heard it from an insider".)

they gotta worry about efficiency lol, not battery size

Very early on the max pack R1S was not going to be had with the third row. I'm pretty happy with my R1S performance max pack. Towing my aero dynamic folding trailer gets me 225 freeway miles of towing range. Long road trips are pretty stress free and I have a Tesla adapter to boot. Last lunch break stop on the road got me to 96% and almost into idle fees. I'm going to work on eating faster but I'm really not doing insane miles per day to need more than this range.

In July?

At freeway speeds, aerodynamics makes far more difference than weight. A big 12' tall, 8.5' wide box trailer with no front curve that only weighs 4000 lbs would be worse for 70 MPH efficiency than a 7.5' wide flatbed trailer with 10,000 pounds of concrete blocks stacked low enough that it's below the "waistline" of the towing vehicle. While it would be a *LOT* of work to test, I would like to see a matrix of towing tests: * 70 MPH highway (Or maybe only 65? Many localities have that as the absolute maximum speed a towing vehicle can legally do. Or even lower.) * Back roads averaging 45 MPH, with 60 MPH maximum for short stretches. With each of the following: * Small open-top trailer with low-slung cargo weighing 3000 lbs. (could be a small boat, a couple jet-skis, a flatbed with a couple motorcycles, a U-haul style low cargo trailer or the like.) * Mid-size teardrop camping trailer weighing ~4000-5000 lbs * Large box trailer weighing ~9000 lbs (either cargo or travel trailer.) * Flatbed with low-slung cargo totaling the maximum tow capacity of the vehicle. (where aero doesn't matter.) For some smaller vehicles, this might be just an empty trailer. Obviously not all vehicles could do all of the tests. Most vehicles with any tow capacity can do 3000 lbs, many can do 5000 lbs, most trucks/large SUVs can do at least 9000 lbs, so that sets a good "common 'high weight' trailer", then something where aero doesn't matter at the vehicle's absolute max, even if the max is only 3000 lbs.

Aerodynamics are a bitch.

@@AnonymousFreakYT and the weight

Model X is a minivan with fancy doors. R1S is a real SUV.

@@officialyasir yes, that's true

@@officialyasir yeah a real SUV that can actually seriously go offroad while the tesla is just a grocery getter and not a minivan at all! a minivan is significantly way more spacious and practical than even a pickup truck except offroad

You are that guy. Mr. Annoying

It’s plenty of range, it’s just a poorly named battery pack and a boxy suv. I wouldn’t trade the Rivian styling for the styling of the Model X even though the Tesla is more efficient and for the battery, they should’ve just called it the large pack plus and then came out with a 180 kWh max pack.

There is no conserve in the dual motor! That was a feature of the drive systems used on the quad motor, and was removed when the changed drive systems to the dual motors

@@topjds1492 oh you’re right! Totally forgot about that….

EPA range is both highway and street driving combined . This is highway range test so at constant higher speed.

@@Rx100Vx and that's the problem. Who cares if it can go 400 miles in the city. They should be required to list actual miles on the highway. Skoda in the EU/UK have a great tool on their vehicles sales page that you can pick the season, number of passengers, and driving you will be doing and it will estimate the range you will get in their models. Honesty is very rare in advertising, but all manufacturers should have similar tools.

@@Snerdles I don’t know , probably there could be such standard introduced but I’m sure not everyone drives on highway everyday or for everyday use . EPA range is always only a reference point . Driving style , elevation gain or loss , wind speed all play a role.

EPA estimates aren't based on continuous 70 MPH. Carmakers literally cannot advertise 70 MPH continuous range. They MUST advertise only the "city/highway/mixed" numbers. And "highway" isn't "interstate freeway". The EPA highway test is measured over 10.26 miles, starting at 0 MPH, accelerating (slowly) up to 35 MPH (over 30 seconds! Ridiculously slow acceleration!) then up to 50 MPH, varying between 40 MPH and 50 MPH for 5 minutes, then up to only 60 MPH for 5 minutes, then decelerating down to a stop over the last 30 seconds.

@@AnonymousFreakYT Yes, I know. That's my entire point. Advertising make it look like you can go that far when you never can, and realistically you can only use 70% of the actual range figure for any leg of your trip. It's incredibly misleading.

Which phone brand has a closed ecosystem? Which EV brand?

@@AnonymousFreakYT Rivian has the only closed ecosystem. Tesla charging is open to others now

@@glennmoss1681 Rivian uses the industry standard (although it will shortly be replaced, that hasn’t happened yet,) and has said their charge network will be open to all later this year. And when it does, ALL RAN will be open to ALL EVs. Right now, only _some_ brands (Ford & Rivian) can access _some_ Superchargers (V3,) with a few other (Magic Dock) open to all. With zero plans to make all Superchargers open to all. V2 and Urban will remain Tesla only as long as they exist.

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