Do you prefer to race against the AI or other players in multiplayer modes?

ACC’s AI is awesome if you like getting pit maneuvered on constantly.

Raceroom adaptive AI, you have to run 3 races in a class for the adaptive AI to be correct. So you will run a couple races with it way off before it locks in to the correct difficulty.

Honestly GT Sophy is there as a sneak peak to be released in GT8 probably, but as far as we can use it, it's great. You can also see a few videos of it racing the fastest drivers on Grand Prix Turismo TV and it's impressive.

Best AI - definitely AMS2, that is my go to sim offline. Online ACC but it has horrible AI very track depending, sometimes AI is raceble at best but there is no fun in this. Heard iracing AI is good but I don't consider iracing a sim worth sinking into as it doesn't simulate tires properly at all.

Gran Turismo having by far the best AI, but that you can only race against in a very limited and specific capacity is the most Gran Turismo thing ever.

I race against Sophy all the time, its great way to find out how fast are my builds. Sophy is not very competitive in BoP races, but it is very capable in 500 - 700 PP road car races. If I win against Sophy in a road car (without BoP) I know I will dominate online lobbies with that tune.

once you pass a car on ACC it just gives up and backs off out of sight. terrible A.I

I guess I am just a lucky PC owner. I have not had an issue getting any of these titles to work properly, excluding GT7 which I do not own. The hate towards LMU kind of shocks me, I find this to be a very good title and I think the AI in this game is quite good. I imagine that if LMU gets the opportunity to be a finished product, it will be a must have piece of software. At the age of 75, people do not need a senior simmer like myself driving in on-line races with my turn signal on through out a race, so I race off-line vs. the AI exclusively. I would like to see all games put more emphasis towards a real active AI, but that is just the rantings of an old man. Your articles was a fair look at the different titles, I just wish you had not come head on into configuration issues, that most likely shaped your opinions.

Emily is such a great presenter. Speaks naturally, intelligent and knowledgeable. Such a breath of fresh air for KZfaq content.

AI in LMU actually has 3 settings - skill, aggression and spread. So you can actually set what's the percentage difference between the best and the worst AI driver. Good video for the introverts among us though 👍🏻

iracing ai is really good

Ams2 has the best feel for me when it comes to close racing with AI. LMU is a lot of fun for that, too, but unfortunately, there's not as much content as ams2 has yet.

AI has always been a pain. As you noted even in the same sim different classes can vary a lot at the same track. But at least even the worst AI is more consistent than what you get racing online against other people! 😃

Despite having a very expensive sim racing rig and being what i would consider at least above average at driving in sims i prefer AI because although accidents happen i feel really awful when i get into an accident with another player even if it's their fault so i just keep to myself or with groups i normally play with. As for AI i have yet to race against anything that comes close to matching Sophy (GT7's AI)

Nice comparison.

I almost only race against AI because when I have time to go onto the simulator I want to choose a track and car combo. Have all the sims (for PC) and think all have their pros/cons with graphics, ffb, immersion, etc. So for me there is no one is better, it really depends on what I am going for on a specific day. Speaking only AI as this video is about that 😅 I find Iracing to be the best and the O.G AC to be the worst in terms of racing the AI. But do agree with you on the points you mention Thank you for this great video 🎉

Oh wow...Le Mans Ultimate is broken....what a shock... I like the emoji gameplay feature in GT7 to give you feedback on the AI's attitude.

You can also have custom ai files in Ams2, very usefeul if youre doing a formula season. Makes each car on the grid drive differently and better simulate the drivers you wouldve been going against

Yeah GT7's Sophie ai is really good. For me though iRacing takes the cake on this one. I've made my own career mode with it. The amount of customization and randomness through a 10 race season, like not the same driver winning each race, mistakes, and liveries on trading paints makes it so good imo

on your F1 adaptability footage: to be fair, that was magnussen...

Yay single player getting some love in mainstream sim racing videos! Thank you! I don't have the consoles, so GT7 I've never tested but always heard good things about Sophy, sucks to hear it's in limited content/modes/etc. LMU doesn't count for similar reasons in my books, because you currently can't do more than a single race weekend (same issue in rFactor 2). AMS2 has been my go to for single player experience, mostly because how it's fairly easy to build your own custom championships (AC has this too, but never liked their AI or the overall feel). On the side note... I'm a big dirt oval fan, so if/when iRacing adds AI to their dirt oval content I'll renew my iRacing subscription and happily go between AI racing and when I have time/focus/energy do some online there too. Because for dirt oval fans, we have basically zero other modern sim options on PC (and they don't seem to be interested to release World of Outlaws on PC)

I love iRacing AI and how much you can customize, but do agree with you about iRacing having a difficult setup. I guess it's trade off for how much you can do with iRacing AI, but they definitely need to come up with a better UI layout for it.

Hi! Love the video! What's the tracks on 12.47 minute (open Wheel cars)

I enjoy the AI in ACC very much. Especially how the lapped cars get out of the way, they know and respect rules while also race each other. It's a realistic, lively feeling going against them. You left out Forza Motorsport though, love to hear your opinion. 🤣

@Overtake_gg.....Great video but I was wondering what your opinion is when comparing f1'23 to F1'24, which do you think is better and prefer to play !?!?

Too bad that RF2 wasn't in the test. I had loads of fun with it on Riverside International Raceway in sports cars from the 60s with semi-aggressive AI at 100%. To me, the AI behaved almost human like.

Gotta say I'm actually surprised there was no clear winner here, mostly as there's often huge bunfights as to which games AI is better (no surprises there tbh). So it's actually refreshing and surprising to see someone who does play them all (or most of them at least) say outright they're all pretty much the same. I only race AMS2 out of them all so can't comment on the other games. In fact the only other games I've played recently are FH5 (with it's rubberbanding AI) and Forza Motorsport with it's utterly incompetent AI. So bad I actually posted 2 vids of FM AI at max settings and AMS2 AI after someone in the forza forums suggested the FM AI was one of the best out there... When I linked the vid they immediately suggested "Yeah but it learns from the player and will improve over time..." That's NOT what we were lead to believe by Chris Esaki himself during their FM7/FM23 AI direct comparison who stated in no uncertain terms... "Forza's new AI is self trained and has completed 1000's and can use multiple racing lines at each track.." or at least that was the gist of the blurb he spouted, whilst showing it to be 13 seconds faster in a single lap at maple valley compared to FM7's unbeatable AI. You tell me does THIS look self trained??? kzfaq.info/get/bejne/abSco6afqc2tfZ8.htmlsi=g-Zx7aSnKj3-KL_8 Even the highest difficulty AI couldn't even match real world GT3 laptimes in the GTE class, in fact the 2018 GT3 24 hours of spa fastest race lap was a 2:19.464. Plus only a handful of the AI cars in that race cars could beat the entire field of these GTE "max AI" drivers.... VS AMS2 AI at 100% and max aggression, and they'll go upto 120% kzfaq.info/get/bejne/l6ebfJubzbPLn6c.htmlsi=t6cRt9527ey8bHrb Only the 3 slowest AI drivers were slower than the fastest 3 GT3 laptimes set in 2018... Back on topic though... I have tried raceroom but that was over a decade ago so would hardly be relevant comparing to the one game I'm playing just now. Regarding AMS2 though? I agree with the vast majority of your points, they're pretty good in most respects apart from their habit of braking far far too early, almost as if they're using the racing line braking zones which to me seem set for a wet race and the racing line doesn't change for a dry track. There is now a facility to create custom AI files with 15 parameters (17 including name and nationality) that can be adjusted with ranges from 0.001 to 1.000. Aside from nationality and name these are the adjustable options. Race skill Qualifying skill Aggression Defending Stamina Consistency Start reactions Wet skill Tyre management Fuel management Blue flag conceding Weather tyre changes Avoidance of mistakes Avoidance of forced mistakes Vehicle reliability As with iRacing there's options to just download other peoples custom AI files, from your own channels website no less lol. Not many to be had right now but that'll change over time. Sadly there's no in game method of adjusting all this like you showed the short sped up footage of the iRacing AI parameters. Creating your own custom AI file in AMS2 instead involves editing an XML file outside the game and a lot of testing if you want real world racing performances and laptimes when say, trying to recreate ultra accurate laptimes for the Shumacher or Senna F1 eras for example. I've heard GT7 fans raving about Sophy and I'm quite shocked at how limited it's use is. Though it does sound like what all games really SHOULD have from the outset..

I have not used all of the titles listed but I have raced all of the SimBin titles before Race Room took them over (GTR, GTR2, Race07, & GTL). I also have AC & ACC, pCars 1 & 2, rFactor 1 & 2, and AMS 1. The best overall experience that I have had though is iRacing. Be it racing online, AI, or Time Trials (which I do most of the time). The AI is VERY hard to get right but it will also go down to my level of racing which is towards the back (Division 8 or 9), this will at least give me a more positive result instead of trying not to be dead last.

The problem I’ve had with LMU is when you’re passing say a GTE car in a hyper car the AI will defend like you’re passing them for a place. Even on straights when there’s no reason for them to move over as you’re lapping them to defend

Looking forward to see how AC Evo Ai work myself. Hopefully better than a lot of LFM drivers do.

I know Forza gets a lot of heat but since the many updates the AI has gotten a lot better and with the inclusion of endurance races the racing actually is miles better than when the game initially came out

Feel like Sophy in Gt7 is a demo version of it. They probably will release a fuller version of it later in the games lifespan or in Gt8. where you can customize it or use it to do a few stints in a long race.

I've never enjoyed racing against AI as much as in Grand Prix 4. Unpredictability, fighting side-by-side. Out-braking. They were doing everything.

If I had to play F1 24 my eye would also twitch like 1:16, ahahah, but interesting video, for me R3E AI is the go to for some offline racing!

i always tell myself ill run some ai races in iracing to prepare but i never do, i just jump into the online races

Yep, F1 24 ai is awesome, with the cars never running out of ERS and constantly using it, and getting beaten by Haas in a straight line speed. They are also basically stuck to the racing line, so if you dare to go for an inside overtake going into a corner, they will just turn into you. Mhm.

Agree, Sophy AI is (currently) the best racing AI on the market. The only thing, however, is Sophy has become very aggressive, recently. It's divebombing and pit maneuvering me a lot more than when it released. I wonder if it's drawing from online data like the Drivatars supposedly did in the Forza, series? Regardless, the dynamic nature of Sophy's racecraft cannot be beat. I, like everybody else, hope it expands to more races and careers in future updates, and is the default AI in GT8, of course.

AMS 2 AI is very dependent on the track but when it all clicks it's really good. In multi class raced it does not really work though.

I have tons of fun experience with AMS and ACC.

I found acc ai to be really good except the starts, I have to intentionally not overtake first view corners otherwise I will make up like 12 positions. Don't know if they are consistent because I'm not.

The best AI for me is whit no doubt Raceroom, because the realistic behavior, and GT sophy is fast but it can´t overtake in certain circumstances and is really predictive.

Overtake just ain't the same as RaceDepartment.

I think iRacings AI is the best. I regulary use it to train for races and i sometimes forget its AI im racing. The difficulty band is amazing if you dont know what pace you have at a particular circuit

thank you Emily, you are the best!

The potential of AI in iracing is the highest. They must have the most data to build AI behaviour from.

Do any of the sims have the option to do endurance races with AI doing some stints for you?

It's tough to say really. From my experience AMS2 and Raceroom are the standouts. I have not played iracing or GT7 single player races so cannot comment on those. ACC AI are quite passive and easy to navigate. The most fun and challenge I've had are for sure AMS2 and Raceroom.

iRacing setup is easy, you just click all the buttons to see what they do and then do magic with it

AMS2 is my choice for serious racing, but for a relaxing time i use F1 24.

For me, it´s iRacing. I prefer AI, because you can restart the race whenever you want. 😀

iRacing’s AI is pretty weird. I actually was just doing some AI GT3 racing at Bathurst. Turns 4-9, they’re so slow. They’re pretty good through the esses but they always rocket out of Forrest’s Elbow. The AI seems to always brake early. Sometimes they’re slow on the straights, sometimes they’re weirdly fast. If you’re behind them at Eau Rouge, they’re slow, but if you’re in front of them, they’ll hang on to you no problem. If you make a pass on the AI the completely back off. They may catch up and fight with you later but they always fall back on the pass. It’s pretty difficult for me to get a consistent AI race out of iRacing.

ac can be decent. it depends on the car and track though. it does all of the right stuff if not too aggressive on 100

Bravo! I personally prefer Automobilista 2 above all the rest! And still, the 1.6 update has to come! So...

For me LMU and AMS 2 are the best AI to race against

Original AC with CM and mods like for example RSS has a good AI I think, but my favourite is still AMS2 even though puddles don't exist for the AI. But why isn't Forza Motorsport, a love letter to motorsport, and its wonderful AI that learns from millions and millions of racers that play and will play it around the world, on this list? If F1 24 is on this list it could very well have been.

Since I raced online with others, I never raced with AI again.

If you do GT7, you have to do Forza Motorsports too. I'd like to know which of these two has the worse AI. I don't have a PS so I haven't played GT7, but FM's AI is pretty bad compared to the hardcore sims you rated.

The first question is Is it really AI? Eg a learning model. If say iRacing had real AI it has a massive amount of user data to learn from. Sadly when we say AI its more accurately computer controlled. Maybe with AI models becoming more accessible we may get real AI. Am I wrong in assuming its not real machine learning AI?

sophy 1.0 - especially 1v1 - was incredible but the new 2.0 is way less competitive

I remember Race 07 AI being incredible. These days, I'd say iRacing wins for me.

Ai im on console so we have sophy ai and f1s ai which are probably the best on ps5. F1 still has weird issues. Like running wel on slicks in wet😅😅

I find the AI in iRacing to be horrific, they just try and divebomb you on pretty much most corners, they have no track awareness at all, ... oh wait, no, that's Multiplayer...

I can not get my wheel to work in ams2!😂

Imo f1 has always had the best ai, the ai defend properly although some previous entries have had slightly better balance and closer to a player. this year is weaker than previous versions of the f1 ai with my favourite being 2019. Acc also has decent ai imo

Le Mans Ultimate and rFactor 2 have the best AI in my opinion.

Obviously not GT7. But let's watch the video, may be there is worse 😅 [Edit] agree with you... Sophy is barely a demo very limited in terms of gameplay options. But it is weird, on some events AI is extremely dumb, and on others it can be decent. In the end the most fun I have in GT7 is to race against friends in a lobby.

RF2?

While I like LMU a lot, I think the AI is horrible. It completely ignores where you are, Hypercars are ridiculously slow in corners, at the same time they would just crash you regardless of what "lane" you are in next to them . I think wheel-to-wheel racing is the most fun in ACC, so much that I would enjoy not even overtaking, just sticking behind 2 cars and see them battle out. In Automobilista 2, there is this weird "train effect" when 2 cars move almost as if they were stuck together. Not in the cool "slipstream way", but literally just running the exact same truck without the smallest deviation. It is a very immersion breaking sight. In iRacing the same level is very inconsistent. I get smoked on Sebring by the same AI I can beat by +1 lap on Watkins Glen.

AMS2 or Iracing for me.

dark green nails in honor of off tracks now and then only spurs the ai on.

I been playing single player racing games for a long time. Best AI I've raced against...Project Cars 1, Project Cars 2 followed by ACC. I am a huge F1 fan, but the codies games are bad.

F1 22 and AMS2 has by far the best AI. They actually "race" against you properly by both going for defensive and aggressive moves in places where it makes sense - and what is just as important is that they are capable of regularly making fairly realistic mistakes and don't just drive perfectly lap after lap after lap like in ACC for example.

Simbin's old games like GTR2 eat these for breakfast if we're comparing AI.

Sophi is like on an entirely different level but you can't really do much with it. It's a shame. Maybe hints of what's to come.. nobody has any idea what polyphony is doing because they sure as hell are not paying attention to the online racing. Nobody at polyphony cares or is even paying attention to Gran Turismo 7. Who knows what they are doing.

And now, just for laughs, let's score Forza Motorsport 2023 - the title with by far the worst AI I've ever seen!

iRacing.

I liked this video but struggled to watch because of the flickering pink light

I was playing moto gp 2020 today because of the sale, but the ai is pretty bad, they rear end me all the time

I’m surprised Sophy is slow. Recall you and other World Tour drivers struggling to beat Sophy in the beta release.

Online Racing is the best

Gp4

They realy just skiped normal ac ai how 😓

We just ignoring the Forza Motorsport exists now? I mean don’t get me wrong it’s AI is absolute Dog Egg but would be nice to at least acknowledge its existence haha

ACC has the worst, they don't make any mistake and are to robotic.

I Think She Herself Is A.I. Because She Has A Glitch At The 1:15 Mark . ( Left Eye) 😵

AMS 2 hast the best A.I.

NR2003 at 105% lol

"I'm going to go through 7 different sim racing games". Begins the video talking about F1 2024.

Happy LGBTQ month Emily