“Like most Ultimate characters not named “Spider-Man”, Daredevil is an asshole.” If that doesn’t sum up the Ultimate universe, I don’t know what does.

This character perfectly illustrated how the Ultimate Universe stopped being relevant as the 616 became more gritty and "real and grounded" enough that they started to occupy the same space but without the edgyness. Reimagining DD as a more realistic story didn't make sense because in the original universe they were already tackling mature themes that the UU started with as a basis that made it seem new and fresh, so DD had no reason to evolve and develop inside the new universe without it going into insane territory.

I think that Daredevil could've worked in the Ultimate Universe if he was a contemporary of Spider-Man, a teenage superhero as well. They could also foreshadow his future career into becoming a lawyer.

Fantastic work as always, Owen! Thanks for having me on to talk about Daredevil, who is definitely not me.

Everyone but Spider-Man in the Ultimate universe was a jerk. I always enjoy your Ultimate Marvel videos!

The thing that really drove me nuts about that Ultimates arch was spending an entire issue on Perun, a throwaway villain from a previous story that most people have probably forgotten about, telling us all about his background, his relationships, his ambitions, his desire to matter more than just his previous crimes...all just for the punchline of killing him off in a single panel. Not that I cared about Perun--nobody cared about Perun, probably--but this was the best possible indication that this franchise was done even pretending it wasn't just wasting our time anymore.

Ultimate Daredevil was such an asshole especially towards Spider-Man. Can't wait for the video

Would have been better to make UDD either way older or really young, so either he’s an old man who protected the streets of New York in secret along with a group of other street level heroes, becoming a inspiration to spider-man maybe showing Peter some moves on how to fight if he ever runs out web or can’t jump. Or make him the same age as Peter or slightly older, he’s a law student or captain of the debate team, an unassuming disabled kid who shares a class with Peter, he’s always hid his abilities and knows how to fight as he’s trained this helps his abilities. Him and Spidey meet up on a mission and it goes well, UDD teaches spider some fighting techniques which Spidey teaches him some acrobatics. Peter who can heal faster starts noticing Matt is injured in school and thinks he’s in an abusive household so he goes to help him, only to reveal he’s daredevil. These would have been easy ways to introduce the character and it not feel like he’s absent from the universe, show him as being weaker than Spidey so when Spidey becomes and Ultimate it’s very easily explained why Matt does have a book, he’s just simply fighting street crime, could even have him say “I’ll keep the streets safe when you’re up there spidey” creating a unique version of the character while sticking to who he is at his core. Just have him appear every now and then in books, he doesn’t need his own area because he can easily share it.

I would kind of love if Marvel (or DC, honestly) gave the Ultimate thing another go now. Not bringing back the Ultimate universe, but giving exciting creators the chance to create a new alternate universe from scratch and carry it on over a few years at least. I worry Marvel wouldn’t be able to do that now, with the Mouse in control and keeping an eye on brand synergy, but it’s a cool experiment. Earth One could’ve been that for DC, had it been better thought out.

Your videos are always a must watch Owen. Using Daredevil as bait to lure in Matt Draper was also just an inspired choice. Hope to see more Collabs from you guys!

Daredevil is such an underrated character. My favorite in marvel behind only Spider-Man

I remember buying Millar’s post-Ultimatum Ultimates in a stack of trade collections to read when I was recovering from dental surgery, and I swear they stung more than the weapons-grade toothache did. Say what you want about his first two Ultimates arcs, at least there it felt like Millar was *trying* to put together a decent story, but that post-ultimatum run just felt like he was taking the piss out of both the characters and the reader.

"What went wrong?" Well for starters he was in the ultimate universe.

I love this version. He's more brutal and brooding but I do understand why he went nowhere. Because is basically the same version as his counterpart in general. Same origin, same suit, same old. Marvel clearly didn't know what to do with him or make it different than the 616. But I love all his appearances especially in Ultimate Knights & Ultimate X-men Blockbuster arcs.

I think one of the reasons why the ultimate daredevil is so underutilized is because writers didn’t know what to do with him since the Frank Miller run has been so iconic and so beloved that they did not know what to do with him. I actually prefer the Kevin Smith run of daredevil. But then that’s just adding on to Frank Miller anyways.

▶ Quick correction: Steve Dillon was the artist of Ultimate Avengers 3 and the co-creator of Ray Connor, Leinil Francis Yu was the cover artist for Ray's first appearance in UA #13.

As someone who has always enjoyed the ultimate universe for its attempts at reinterpretation, I can agree that Daredevil was definitely a missed opportunity in the Ultimate line. And I remember when I first read Ultimate Avengers and when they almost immediately turned DD2 and killed him, my only thoughts were "Okay, but why was he a daredevil though?" Wish they did more with our favorite blind boy.

I really liked Ultimate Daredevil & Elektra Too bad it didn't continued, was one of the first books I read of the character

Owen + Matt + Daredevil = a perfect comic book video. Great work, guys!

A big reason why Ultimate DareDevil was overlooked was because DareDevil was already going strong in comics at the same time, with Bendis himself writing and Alex Maleev providing some amazing artwork. That, plus the fact that Ultimate DareDevil/Murdock wasn't fundamentally very different from the traditional version made the whole run rather pointless. As someone who bought and collected back then, I didn't feel the need to follow any other DareDevil story but the Bendis/Maleev run.

I really love the Ultimate Team-Up with Spidey, DD and Punisher, especially the scene depicting Matt's enhanced senses.

My thing is that UDD was that it was just TOO similar to that of the 616. Maybe he could have been a judge blinded during an attempt on his life.

As you mention in your video, the OG Daredevil IS already an „Ultimate“ superheroes in a lot of ways. They should have just been more brave and do something completely different. Just thinking on my feet, how about combining Moon Knight and Daredevil into one character where instead of an Egyptian God he sees the devil, since the costume? I dont know. Just SOMETHING different would have been cool.

Something about Matt talking about Draper just makes me happy bro. Great video

After seeing Matt always commenting in your videos, this feels like a longtime coming.

I just noticed that the panel of Peter holding DD is a homage to the death of Superman, how did I not notice that! 😂

I mainly read Ultimate Spider-Man and I enjoyed when Daredevil would guest star- and I remember being disappointed when I tried to search for an Ultimate Daredevil series only to find out he only ever had that Elektra prequel series. Honestly I never hated how his death was handled. It sucks that he died off screen but I enjoyed seeing Peter’s POV of finding him and the tragedy of finding a fallen hero that you can’t even recognize who they are underneath the mask (tho of course that’s also a continuity error that I didn’t catch till this video). I think his death would’ve been better if he had his own Ultimate Daredevil solo series where we were with him when he died, and in general he really should have had his own solo run I knew he had a successor in the pages of ultimate avengers but I never read those comics myself, but hearing their story now WOW what a train wreck. Everything to do with Ultimates between 2 and the Hickman arc involving the Maker seems like complete nonsense trying too hard to be different from 616.

I honestly didn't know Daredevil was even in the Ultimates universe

Honestly, while I like comic books and graphic novels, I haven't read many in the last couple of decades. That's why I like channels like yours. I can catch up on favorite characters of my past. One of my all time titles was the Marvel Team-Up when Spidey was the main 1/2 of the team. I especially remember the edition where Spidey and NOVA tried to solve a murder. The solution is on the cover, I think. The Ultimate universe sounds like Daredevil could've been so much more.

The way i always intended to do Daredevil in my marvel universe is set him up with a Teamup with Spider-man when Kingpin and Tombstone would team up together and be from Chicago and would be a mix of his main marvel and Ultimate comics as he would be hard on spider-man for being a kid but would later learn why he became a hero making him realize he was a lot like him and would also have Ray connor be Daredevil sidekick when he was blinded himself and became Kid Devil and be station in new york and be Spider-woman team when dealing with the Hobgoblin uprising

Though i'm not the biggest fan of the Ultimate Universe, Owen's videos about it are probably my favorites. I'm fascinated by the Ultimate Universe and respect its attempt to be its own thing. Sadly though it lead to heroes (except Spider-Man) being jerks, Captain America being conservative trash, incest and cannibalism.

I love your videos. This deep dive into the making of characters and story arcs, be they failures or successes, speaks volumes to the complexity and effort that goes into comics that is sometimes ignored. Thank you for what you do, Owen!!

If you enjoy making these videos on ultimate comics character, please keep doing them! I enjoy them since I've never read ultimate comics other than Miles. Hope you do captain america next!

Congrats on 70 thousand subs! I love watching your channel, such great and interesting content! Hopefully you can reach 100 thousands subscribers by the end of the year!

Always excited to see a new video from you

I love your channel and Matt’s, this video is amazing.

Great video as always

Always nice to see a crossover between youtubers I like.

They did daredevil dirty in this universe.

I'm not sure if it's mentioned in the comments but Elektra dies after getting a moon blade thrown into the back of the head by Moon Knight. I think it's Ultimate spiderman issue 85.

Wasn’t aware of this channel but clicked on it because I really enjoy Matt’s videos. Love what I’m hearing. Subscribing and checking out your other videos.

Fantastic information, thank you.

Ultimate Marvel and Walking Dead were my entry into comic collecting, mainly because they were mostly self contained universes without decades of baggage. It helped they they were sold in volumes of hardcover books that looked nice on a shelf, well until Ultimatum ruined everything including the book covers.

Man, they really dropped the ball with the ultimate incarnation of DD.

Ultimatum was just like Onslaught... without a Heroes Reborn equivalent.

Great video 👍

Kid! Daredevil was wasted potential in Earth 1610 and reeked of Mark Millar's typical "Hahaha this superhero would get REKT in a realistic setting" type of writing. Thinking more about it, a young blind teenager rocking Matt Murdock's yellow suit who's faith hasn't been severely tested by a corrupt status quo would make for a compelling title in the mainstream line of Marvel comics.

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I want Earth-1610 to come back. What happened to Earth after Reed from that Earth came back there.

I just found your channel, you have gret videos. Would love to see a video focus on that ultimate knights tittle and all of its characters.

dope channel my dude!

Had no idea there was a replacement Daredevil after Murdock died. The fact that he was basically teen-Matt Murdock really sucks, and yet despite that I still somehow feel bad for him getting turned into a vampire and then dying anyway. Maybe Marvel wasn’t financially bankrupt anymore, but creatively?…..

I wished Ultimate DareDevil would've had more comics. I'll read Ultimate DareDevil and Elektra along with the entire Ultimate Universe.

I realised I wasn’t subscribed this whole time, I’m sorry I love this channel.

Great channel, great work and congratulations 😊🏅🥇👏👍🎖🏆🎖🏆🎖👍👏👍🎖🏆

I need more videos on the Ultimate Comics! Love this channel! ❤️

It put such a big smile on my face when I suddenly heard Matt Draper's voice LOL! I literally just clicked on this video out of boredom, and had no idea that it was a collab LOL!

What a cross over this makes me smile makes me happy

More 90s comics series pls! ❤️

ooooooooo, it's my man Matt Draper talking about Ultimate Daredevil. It ain't Darecember but this was a nice extra treat.

I can't remember who wrote it but I remember reading an article about how Ultimate Daredevil just didn't do enough different, and then when they killed Matt off, his replacement was STILL exactly like him which is unfortunate and silly. I'm a huge Daredevil fan and never checked out the Ultimate Daredevil stuff.

I always forget Daredevil was in the Ultimate Universe. Awesome job Owen, and fun appearance from Matt. Should have known, Matt is like Beetlejuice if you say Daredevil enough.

I have this Digital Comic Book DVD of the first volume.

Well researched and informative, if however a disappointing look at what transpired. I coincidentally dropped off on the ultimates line around the time Jeph Loeb started on it, so saw the heights of Bendis's run on Spidey and the start of the decline of the whole concept.

I'm waiting. I'm waiting. I'm waiting!

At least we know that there is a new version of the Ultimate Universe out there.

Logan's death was wild

Always loved when he teamed up with Ultimate Spider-Man. Sad they didn't do more with the character.

" a parade of sadism" Sounds like invincible. And the replacement characters are so far removed from iconic and have no personality that their deaths mostly don't matter, or get any time.

A certified hood classic

Great video, per usual. Always coo hearing Mr. Draper talk about the catholic ginger dressed up in a coo Devil suit

Ultimate Avengers 3 might not be the best story, but it was drawn by Steve Dillon and I think his art was actually pretty strong in some sequences. Hopefully you can add a correction that actually credits him for his work on the book.

Why did Mark Millar Retcon that Ultimate Daredevil was supposed to fight vampires? The fuck?

I feel like even in 616 he is definitely one of the most realistic characters.

they have a version from the ultimate universe?

I liked everytime DD appeared in the Ultimate universe, despite his presence being only quick and done he had some competency and maturity to contrast Spider-Man. Even him being pushed into breaking the rules and trying to kill Kingpin was interesting. And then they killed him offscreen in Ultimatum, and even worse they bring a new Daredevil that dies in the same story he debuts.

I love Daredevil. He's my second favorite Marvel character behind only Spider-Man. DD is also my 4th favorite Super Hero behind Spider-Man, Batman, and Superman

Its sad that the ultimate marvel universe didn't make daredevil fantastic and badass.

I’m curious to see how bad this comic went.

As a Daredevil fan just now seeing this video for the first time I must say. WE DO NOT CLAIM HIM!

That image of Black Cat & Elektra 😍 Damn, those 2 women are drawn extremely well

I am starting to think that Ultimate Marvel was the New52 of marvel.

It felt like Larroca was everywhere in Marvel for a while.granted I don't get many comics at the moment. What is he up to?

Ultimate FF gang rise up.

Talk about Kieron Gillen's Eternals for your next video.

what about the Ultimates?

To be honest, Brian Michael Bendis was never a good writer in my honest oppinion. He wrote many good spiderman stories, but kept repeating the same arc over and over again (Green Goblin dies, but survived and escaped SHIELD like a hundred times). Also, Bendis is very biased and makes some villains stupid for the sake of plot or a clever ending. Still, I will give him props for making the more grounded stories into actually good stories. All his Kingpin arcs are actually very good. But overall, he doesn't care about continuity.

Man, No Way Home and Multiverse of Madness got nothing on this.

While I agree with this video's assessment of the Ultimate Daredevil character, I did appreciate his different relationship with Peter Parker. The way he looked down on the younger Spider-Man felt realistic and earned, if harsh.

I didn't even know there was an ultimate DD...

I remember Ultimatum - I didn't have a lot of cash flow at the time (being a kid) so I ended up buying That One Spider-Man issue with what I had without a lot of context for... literally anything happening. So my one contemporary taste of Ultimate Daredevil and Ultimate Hulk ended up being 'dead and kind of a jerk' and 'Not Automatically Composed Of Raw Terror'. Kinda disappointing to hear how poorly DD was used before that point.

Ultimate Knights shows that ultimate daredevil actually had a lot of potential (if kept in the hands of a good writer like Bendis)

DAREDEVIL !!

Hi Owen

Hey owen. I was wondering what is your favorite fantastic four run?

I felt like i was being trolled hard with Kid Daredevil, here i thought maybe they'll get him into the Avengers cause he's skilled and what not. Nope.

To be fair. I do think ultimate Daredevil was kinda right for being harder on Spider-man since he was a kid who really didn't know what he was getting himself into and ultimately kinda right since being Spider-man did eventually kill him

This is all new to me; I never really got into Ultimate Marvel.

Netflix Daredevil is what Ultimate Daredevil should've been

Ultimate Moon Knight was done a lot better. Sure, the changes made to his character weren't amazing but at least they did make him different from his 616 counterpart. The arcs including him are my favourite in Ultimate Spider-Man. It's too bad he didn't at least get a miniseries.