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An advocate of the Chicago school of economics, Friedman has written extensively on libertarian theory and capitalism. His most famous book, The Machinery of Freedom, advocates for the merits of market forces free from any government intervention. He will speak about market failure, assessing the arguments both for and against governments.
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@ItsTheMunz
@ItsTheMunz 5 жыл бұрын
The more I research economics, the clearer it becomes that the government literally ruins everything it touches.
@DanielSantos-cr5sx
@DanielSantos-cr5sx 5 жыл бұрын
So true!!! Aren't we the modern slaves?
@Dan16673
@Dan16673 5 жыл бұрын
Yup
@plc3653
@plc3653 5 жыл бұрын
Yes. Everyone who screams for social programs only look at it from the benefit side but never the cost side. If we factor in the cost we will never rely on the government to do anything at all.
@Samsgarden
@Samsgarden 5 жыл бұрын
HopelessMunz However, the market alternatives are unseen. It’s entirely theoretical
@NotQuiteFirst
@NotQuiteFirst 4 жыл бұрын
Economics? Just wait till you see how badly governments ruin _demographics!_
@eshelb.m.5575
@eshelb.m.5575 4 жыл бұрын
20 minutes into the talk and already learned like 20 new things. Thanks, David.
@jebremocampo9194
@jebremocampo9194 4 жыл бұрын
So glad Milton Friedman's son followed in his path
@buster117
@buster117 2 жыл бұрын
David is an anarchist, Milton was not.
@neonschaf
@neonschaf 2 жыл бұрын
but just better!
@mr.cromwell9472
@mr.cromwell9472 2 жыл бұрын
@@buster117 I secretly believe Milton was a closeted anarchist, simply because it would have been way too radical for his time and age
@soldatintelectual6544
@soldatintelectual6544 Жыл бұрын
@@mr.cromwell9472 Nah. Milton did admit there is room for public health care. He was in support of a national army. And he praised Keynes. He denied being an anarchist
@stratinolampino
@stratinolampino Жыл бұрын
@@soldatintelectual6544 I don’t think Milton was anywhere near anarchist but he did not praise Keynes, I think he just respected him as a economist.
@zhengyangwu8289
@zhengyangwu8289 4 жыл бұрын
I am really happy after watched this video. I have been missing Milton Friedman, and it is a real comfort to see that David Friedman is just as sharp.
@Ahiga4545
@Ahiga4545 6 жыл бұрын
Soon as I saw his face and name I immediately thought 'That is Milton Friedman's son.' And I was right. Definitely gonna watch and listen to this. And hope he is a smart as his mum and dad.
@flamefusion8963
@flamefusion8963 5 жыл бұрын
he is even smarter although less eloquent
@LittleImpaler
@LittleImpaler 4 жыл бұрын
He is not like his dad. I agree with his dad. Because want he wants don't work. You need a government, but it must be limited. Anarchy doesn't it becomes chaos.
@nickblack7910
@nickblack7910 4 жыл бұрын
@@LittleImpaler read Chaos Theory and Machienery of Freedom
@morningstarx5340
@morningstarx5340 3 жыл бұрын
@@nickblack7910 bob murphy is the jam
@kyleoliva2411
@kyleoliva2411 3 жыл бұрын
David is more extremist in his views than his father.
@jameshoffman552
@jameshoffman552 3 жыл бұрын
You endured insufferable Prof Richard.Wolf. Respect.
@theemperorcharlemagne
@theemperorcharlemagne Жыл бұрын
He crushed Richard Wolf in that debate. Loved to see it.
@thefogandthewhirlwind
@thefogandthewhirlwind 3 жыл бұрын
This is the shortest and most under control I've seen his hair and I actually like it wilder. He rocks the Doc Brown look
@Romeo-le2ez
@Romeo-le2ez 3 жыл бұрын
The scientific hairstyle
@flyshacker
@flyshacker 3 жыл бұрын
David Friedman pointed out the real-world incentives that individuals and politicians face and the unintended consequences. Young people (like this audience) tend to be idealistic and more focused on intended outcomes than on unintended consequences. So I think this audience tended to tune out Friedman’s gritty points, most of which I found to be quite funny. But then I’m 69 and have been an anarcho-capitalist for nearly 40 years.
@PelletJamie
@PelletJamie Жыл бұрын
They tuned out because Universities, especially Oxbridge, are socialist indoctrination camps.
@menoyuno8430
@menoyuno8430 5 ай бұрын
Support and Protect David D Friedman.
@Aaronisification
@Aaronisification 5 жыл бұрын
I am a California native earning modest wages and I wholly support private institutions. Public services always perform worse than private. Yet this is lost on so many scared insecure weasels.
@Dan16673
@Dan16673 5 жыл бұрын
Excellent!
@themeadowlarkminutewithpau8184
@themeadowlarkminutewithpau8184 4 жыл бұрын
LMMFAO
@rokuthedog
@rokuthedog 4 жыл бұрын
if you want a task you are trying to accomplish to take longer be more expensive and be generally worse rely on government to take care of it.
@nickblack7910
@nickblack7910 4 жыл бұрын
Examples?
@rokuthedog
@rokuthedog 4 жыл бұрын
@@nickblack7910 public school
@izamanaick
@izamanaick 6 жыл бұрын
A relative of Milton I take it
@wurzel9671
@wurzel9671 3 жыл бұрын
His son actually
@WeAreWafc
@WeAreWafc 5 жыл бұрын
Very interesting
@tobyw9573
@tobyw9573 5 жыл бұрын
David has a very interesting CV.
@sushrutabatsya
@sushrutabatsya 3 жыл бұрын
Brilliant !! It is a pity that he didn't get the fame his father got.
@deldia
@deldia 6 жыл бұрын
Alfred Marshall did spend some time at Oxford.
@tnekkc
@tnekkc 4 жыл бұрын
I read a book about the general theory of relativity when I was 14 years old for a book report. The Lorentz transform was repeated on many pages. I did not understand that mathematical detail.
@MovieRiotHD
@MovieRiotHD 5 жыл бұрын
05:00 He's describing French traffic.
@johnglenn2539
@johnglenn2539 3 жыл бұрын
When David gets excited, he sounds like Prof Frink.
@monkeypoozer
@monkeypoozer 6 жыл бұрын
Thanks for a great speech and I think I agree at a fundamental level with your point of view, but the amount of 'mess' made in a kitchen is proportional not only to the efficiency with which the chef cleans as he goes, but more importantly the ambition and scope of his dish in pleasing all of the beneficiaries of the meal.
@pagespictures
@pagespictures 6 жыл бұрын
Irrelevant
@Visfen
@Visfen 5 жыл бұрын
I thought of the same thing, nice to see someone else realised that. Which makes you think, how many fixes for market failures create other market failures? :)
@nickhollerauer4295
@nickhollerauer4295 3 жыл бұрын
I know I'm late to the party, but a simple extra decision could possibly solve the problem: the spouse who's cooking also cleans, but the spouse who's not cooking chooses the meal, knowing the positions will be switched tomorrow. In most relationships, I imagine the idea that they'll have to be held accountable for their decision by allowing their counterpart to make the same decision for them tomorrow will make them more reasonable about what they choose, plus they can't complain about what they're eating because it's what they asked for. Seems like a good compromise. Or both people help eachother cook and clean every day.
@monkeypoozer
@monkeypoozer 3 жыл бұрын
alas the free markets.. He's right it's the best way to optimize the production line. The only issue is what R.Werner puts forward in his book "Princes of the Yen". Seems to me at least to show that most of the time, the free markets are pointless, because central banks can arbitrarily steal capital from global currency markets if they are able to create new money without currency traders proportionately devaluing their currency. To fix this issue we need currency traders to take such actions into more careful account.
@TheWhitehiker
@TheWhitehiker Жыл бұрын
Cogent and descriptive.
@jeffs53
@jeffs53 4 жыл бұрын
them nose hairs tho
@hozilite1421
@hozilite1421 4 жыл бұрын
The more truth you spit the longer they get😂
@marce11o
@marce11o 4 жыл бұрын
I can’t handle it.
@Tuatara1989
@Tuatara1989 2 жыл бұрын
He's gone full laissez-faire on them! :D
@Tubingonline1
@Tubingonline1 4 жыл бұрын
Most of what is said is common sense. If only common sense was given more importance than college education more problems would get solved. Everything needs credentials you need to go to Harvard or Oxford to tell people about common sensical things, people otherwise wouldn't even hear you, no matter what you know and how much sense you make.
@zhengyangwu8289
@zhengyangwu8289 4 жыл бұрын
Actually economics is about common sense, but nonetheless very difficult to make people understand it.
@romancandlefight1144
@romancandlefight1144 Жыл бұрын
I think if you explain anything well enough it sounds like common sense Just goes to show how comparatively bad other arguments or explanations are
@tobyw9573
@tobyw9573 4 жыл бұрын
David left out the option to avoid crowded and loud restaurants or other meeting places, rather than speaking more loudly.
@anarchic_ramblings
@anarchic_ramblings 3 жыл бұрын
You missed the point.
@jonaskoelker
@jonaskoelker 2 жыл бұрын
Also, the restaurant owner can choose to structure the room/building such that less sound moves through. If restaurant-goers like this enough the owner can amortize the cost across all the meal prices and make their decision profitable; and if the restaurant-goers don't like it to the tune of what it costs, the resources spent doing it are better spent elsewhere. If shared spaces have owners who charge for (and thus benefit from) use, they will tend to do what's cost-efficient for the users provided they have stable property rights and competitors.
@William_Asston
@William_Asston 2 жыл бұрын
@@jonaskoelker that's the entrepreneurship solution to this type of market failure. There's a misesmedia video about game theory and how entrepreneurship and profit-incentivized suppression of time preference creates beneficial outcomes.
@rinklednuggets9933
@rinklednuggets9933 5 жыл бұрын
Whoa.... Those socks man....
@ChaseMoskal
@ChaseMoskal 4 жыл бұрын
it's the kid sitting at the desk with him
@zekec3243
@zekec3243 3 жыл бұрын
We know what you are doing
@kodredcud
@kodredcud 3 күн бұрын
On the argument against the morality of anarcho-capitalism pertaining to the flagpole example... Any ancap would agree that it's better to be judged by 12 than carried by 6. Trespassing on someone's flag pole to save your life is absolutely worth it. Just because someone has those principles doesn't mean they can't bend or break them to save the lives of themselves or others. Even as an anarcho-capitalist, if I saw an angry, snarling dog attempting to rip apart a little girl on someone else's property, I would feel a duty to trespass and save her. While property rights are immensely important, they don't trump the right to life. There is room for the principle of being a good Samaritan even in a world where property rights are the basis for your society. Likewise there should be room for doing what it takes to save your own life. Really, you made your own argument in favor of this. Say I continue down the flagpole despite the instructions of the property owner, we could settle this dispute with private arbitration. I would like to think that any rational person would side with the person who did *only* what it took to save his own life. Perhaps there must be room for intent.
@kodredcud
@kodredcud 3 күн бұрын
It is in my nature to speak up mainly when I disagree with something but I don't want that to detract from the other hour of discussion you provided here. I hung on to every word you said, I appreciate very much what you and your father have done for the principles of liberty, and I do want to thank you for making this freely available for anyone to hear!
@bagamias-hula
@bagamias-hula 4 жыл бұрын
All market failures, environmental issues, negative externalities, etc can be solved with property rights and entrepreneur competition
@anarchic_ramblings
@anarchic_ramblings 4 жыл бұрын
In principle, yes. The hard part is applying property rights to, say, the air, or the oceans.
@lukanelson3146
@lukanelson3146 3 жыл бұрын
@@anarchic_ramblings walter block actually talks about this in his lecture on the case for privatization of everything
@plasmazulu6643
@plasmazulu6643 3 жыл бұрын
@@anarchic_ramblings Why is it hard to apply?
@anarchic_ramblings
@anarchic_ramblings 3 жыл бұрын
@@plasmazulu6643 How would you do it?
@plasmazulu6643
@plasmazulu6643 3 жыл бұрын
@@anarchic_ramblings Everyone could own a certain altitude above their property or a certain distance of water from the coast of their property.
@jonaskoelker
@jonaskoelker 4 жыл бұрын
About the cooking example, here is an argument against David's conclusion. If the person who cooks also cleans, the additional cost to themselves might make them prefer simpler meals which require less cleaning. Those meals might be less enjoyable than more elaborate and labor-demanding meals. Picking the supposedly efficient arrangement might create a race to the bottom where each spouse cooks easier and easier meals over time, since each party gains (just) the benefits when the other person cooks elaborate and nice meals but both benefits and costs when they themselves cook a meal. David appears to be assuming that the set of meals to be cooked is fixed. Never the less I would in general recommend David's scheme, in part because the cook has an incentive not to carelessly cook in an overly messy way out of laziness (i.e. it limits sloppiness), in part because you have the opportunity and an incentive to interleave cooking and cleaning tasks in the way most appropriate to the situation. Arrive at some effort-quality trade-off by talking to your spouse. If the cooking-and-cleaning work is distributed other than 50/50, for example 2/3 vs. 1/3, I'd recommend pursuing any egalitarian or other distributional goal by allocating other household tasks to compensate. Some people suggest splitting household tasks by having each party to an even share of each task; I recommend dividing tasks according to aptitude and preference-have the better cook do more of the cooking, have the person who doesn't mind getting their hands dirty take down the trash and scrub the toilet, and then distribute the tasks where the parties are ~equally good and which the parties find ~equally (un)enjoyable such that the total work load is split 50/50. That's how I'd answer the egalitarian concern of the gentleman with the question.
@anarchic_ramblings
@anarchic_ramblings 4 жыл бұрын
His conclusion is that the cook-cleans arrangement produces less mess, not that it produces the optimum ratio of meal elaborateness to mess. Moreover, if we assume cetirus paribus with regards to meal planning then the 'race to the bottom' ceases to be a factor. IOW, _for a given meal_ the cook-cleans arrangement produces less mess. Good comment though!
@jonaskoelker
@jonaskoelker 4 жыл бұрын
@@anarchic_ramblings > Good comment though! Thank you. I enjoyed your thoughtful reply.
@90benj
@90benj 2 жыл бұрын
"If the person who cooks also cleans, the additional cost to themselves might make them prefer simpler meals which require less cleaning. Those meals might be less enjoyable than more elaborate and labor-demanding meals." This is flawed logic. If the meals are less enjoyable, you have a cost-benefit balancing. At some point, the "costs" you save in cleaning by making simpler meals are smaller than the "benefit" you receive with a nicer meal. You scenario would only come to a race to the bottom, if all meals are equally enjoyable, but in that case it is the true optimum to just cook what makes the less mess.
@jonaskoelker
@jonaskoelker 2 жыл бұрын
Coming back to this with a clearer head, here's my current analysis: If the cook also cleans, there's an externality to everyone else who eats the meal in the form of meal quality. If the cook doesn't clean, there's an externality both in meal quality and in the mess to be cleaned. In addition, if the cook also cleans there may be efficiency gains because they can juggle their time and use idle cooking periods for cleaning instead of doing non-leisure idling. The presence of externalities makes social optimality questionable. When you have a positive externality, adding a negative externality may make the situation better or worse, depending on their relative magnitudes. Still, if the cook also cleans you can address the residual externality by talking to your family if you care about them, i.e. be a normal person ;-)
@PelletJamie
@PelletJamie Жыл бұрын
So he homeschooled his children... fantastic.
@zbsishrth3734
@zbsishrth3734 4 жыл бұрын
41:42.. That student is too intelligent 😲😲😲
@jantanpurba1221
@jantanpurba1221 3 жыл бұрын
It natural for market to die under free competation
@jameshoffman552
@jameshoffman552 3 жыл бұрын
Socialists disliked this video.
@futsuu
@futsuu 2 жыл бұрын
A man so confident he wears his nose hair as a mustache.
@michaelepstein2570
@michaelepstein2570 6 жыл бұрын
Ever since at least 1980, We the People of planet Earth have had the capability of providing the highest quality of food, the highest quality of clothing, the highest quality of shelter, the highest quality of healthcare, and the highest quality of education for each and every man, woman and child on the face of the Earth, and to do it in such a way that was in Harmony with Nature.
@michaelepstein2570
@michaelepstein2570 6 жыл бұрын
We already have gazillions of practical creative solutions. What we don’t have here in the USA is a critical number of individuals who are well-informed, free of disinformation and misinformation, on all the major issues of today AND devoting their time, energy, resources, and talents to the political process to make sure that only the most Loving/most Wise among us become our public servants.
@michaelepstein2570
@michaelepstein2570 6 жыл бұрын
Then and only then will we be in a position to actually implement them on a grand scale and finally begin the process of transitioning to a Whole New Way of Living rooted in Love and Wisdom, with little or no need for government.
@michaelepstein2570
@michaelepstein2570 6 жыл бұрын
Here's my proposal: First the cities, then the states, then the nation and then the world. See my group on FB called "Creating a Wonderful World. (let's get it done already)".
@MrBlues113
@MrBlues113 5 жыл бұрын
I agree with your post, but what do you mean in harmony with nature? I know the percapita emissions of CO2 have declined and cars are significantly more ecofriendly than horses, but it is no secret that this way of growth is unsustainable. Yes, we are yet to see if a technology saves us, but the way we are progressing will very likely end with human civilization. Don´t you agree?
@mulmeyun
@mulmeyun 2 жыл бұрын
very cute socks
@PS-gu1wx
@PS-gu1wx 2 ай бұрын
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@NotQuiteFirst
@NotQuiteFirst 6 жыл бұрын
His nostril hair has externalities
@sandeepvk
@sandeepvk 5 жыл бұрын
its so distracting
@MrGorobu
@MrGorobu 5 жыл бұрын
Wow. Only a libertarian could wear nose hair like that.
@Vgallo
@Vgallo 5 жыл бұрын
Michael Go 😂😂😂
@rohanindra6401
@rohanindra6401 6 жыл бұрын
A carbon copy of his dad/brother/uncle? Also looks exactly like Gary Cohn, Trumps former economic adviser.
@bitbutter
@bitbutter 6 жыл бұрын
Milton wasn't an anarchist.
@wkusam123
@wkusam123 3 жыл бұрын
Is that nose hair?
@dantean
@dantean 2 жыл бұрын
Is there actually hair growing from his nose long enough to serve as his mustache...or a beard?!
@johnnysmit1315
@johnnysmit1315 6 жыл бұрын
is it anti-Semitic to ask if he is Jewish?
@pagespictures
@pagespictures 6 жыл бұрын
He is, though he is an atheist, as were his parents.
@johnnysmit1315
@johnnysmit1315 6 жыл бұрын
biagnisinturon haha I knew it
@hagop4780
@hagop4780 6 жыл бұрын
kzfaq.info/get/bejne/gsWKgdKBtLTMoas.html
@Phantomrasberryblowe
@Phantomrasberryblowe 5 жыл бұрын
No
@ilcastilho
@ilcastilho 5 жыл бұрын
no, It's not
@John-gc6yb
@John-gc6yb 6 жыл бұрын
It seems strange to assume that the potential for market failure in the economy can be overcome by human ingenuity but that market failure in political systems entail that we have to abandon market intervention. This is essentially the same as arguing that large corporations need not try to solve the principal agent problem by changing incentives, but instead disperse the means of production across as many people as possible (an obvious similarity between libertarianism (or liberalism) and communism). They both fail for the same reason - they are utopic fantasies. Political systems and corporations have always, and will always exist. Our task is to improve the incentive systems in democratic processes, work made much harder by anarchists, communists, liberals, and other enemies of democracy who deal in incomplete information, often disingenuously (though i don't think in David Friedman's case) and pit otherwise reasonable people against the improvement and adoption of the best systems we have so far; proportional representation in the parliamentary system and democratic socialism.
@9879SigmundS
@9879SigmundS 3 жыл бұрын
Isn’t it interesting that nowhere on earth are libertarian ideas even attempted. Too damn bad federalism died.
@ally11488
@ally11488 3 жыл бұрын
America may get selfishly sociopathic enough to get round to it.
@anarchic_ramblings
@anarchic_ramblings 3 жыл бұрын
Which ideas in particular?
@9879SigmundS
@9879SigmundS 3 жыл бұрын
@@anarchic_ramblings at least in the last 60 -m100 years: legalization of drugs; no income tax; end public education; governments receipts no more than 20 percent of GDP.
@anarchic_ramblings
@anarchic_ramblings 3 жыл бұрын
@@9879SigmundS Libertarian ideas such as you listed are virtually antithetical to the state. So we'll be waiting a long, long time if we want to see governments implement such policies. Hence David Friedman is an anarchist, as am I. As such I believe the liberties you speak of will inevitably result from innovations that make government increasingly unable to justify its existence, or enforce its its tax laws. The Internet has already done a lot to move us in that direction, and this is precisely the mission at the heart of the cryptocurrency movement. It's a longterm project though.
@9879SigmundS
@9879SigmundS 3 жыл бұрын
@@anarchic_ramblings Not too long before he passed, Milton Friedman, like you, became more optimistic because of innovations, particularly the internet. I’m rather pessimistic because it seems the impulse towards group control and secular religion has proved to be stronger than the impulse towards liberty. Combine this with the incredible firepower the state has, and I see things getting much worse despite technology.
@mumpygumboo8554
@mumpygumboo8554 3 жыл бұрын
I hereby declare that David Friedman shall now be referred to as "Creepy the Clown."
@MrBlues113
@MrBlues113 5 жыл бұрын
Shave that nose please brah
@lights473
@lights473 3 жыл бұрын
Doesn't have the same charisma as Milton and doesn't propose practical policy like Milton
@voidless1
@voidless1 3 жыл бұрын
He grabbed the attention of everyone in the room for an hour. Sure he doesn't propose policy, but his aim is to educate on theory and explore complexity. He doesn't have to be his father to still be cool.
@MarkoKraguljac
@MarkoKraguljac 6 жыл бұрын
It's always fascinating how libertarians, though smart, cannot glimpse that everything is political, nothing is independent and that we cannot run away from reality of laws of nature. It's a special kind of insanity and inability to see the bigger picture and not just their own posterior.
@pagespictures
@pagespictures 6 жыл бұрын
Oh, we can't all be as smart as you, Marko.
@MarkoKraguljac
@MarkoKraguljac 6 жыл бұрын
You are missing the point with that sarcasm. To me, it is genuinely fascinating that people as smart as this speaker (and many other libertarians) cannot see how obviously impossible and harmful and I would go as far as to say pathological would be for a human society to be based on private property.
@anarchic_ramblings
@anarchic_ramblings 6 жыл бұрын
Yes, oh wise one.
@bitbutter
@bitbutter 6 жыл бұрын
You assert that a private property society would be both impossible and harmful (somehow). You offer no support of this claim, and instead use insults. On the other hand Friedman has offered a great deal of reasoning and argumentation in favour of his views over the years, and is unfailingly polite. That's a bad look for you.
@MarkoKraguljac
@MarkoKraguljac 6 жыл бұрын
+bitbutter Absolute private property society is a fantasy of undeveloped human ego (me, mine). That ego believes itself that it is the creator of its own thinking and actions. That's in collision with scientific facts as everything moves in unison, according to the laws of nature. Human bodies are superficially and partially "separate" but individuals do not exist without other individuals (and environment). Creating a society based on private property would self evidently bring us backwards into the jungles of the past, instead of pushing us forward for the betterment of all. Simply said, private property society is both harmful and impossible because it fundamentally relies on *delusions* of human ego which believes that it is "free" when it is not and cannot be.
@chadgra
@chadgra 4 жыл бұрын
What a waste of tome
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