PA PERMA BANNED HIM! | Blue Reacts to Hwaryong(화룡) aka The Red Dragon being perma banned from BDO

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PA PERMA BANNED HIM! | Blue Reacts to Hwaryong(화룡) aka The Red Dragon being perma banned from BDO

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@soobin_i 8 ай бұрын

A few years ago, there was an huge issue related to the use of macros in KR server. After that, PA made a definitive change to the terms stating `regardless of the frequency or benefit gained, macro user will be get permabanned.` Is there a reason why an exception should be applied to Hwaryong?

@devilfire268 8 ай бұрын

If he wasn't streaming, and if your toxic community didn't push for it he would never be banned. Hell, PA even cleared him at first. It was your baby rage community pressure him to get banned due to a clip with a macro with NO, i repeat, NO actual usage on the game. Hate will generate more hate, so just keep doing what you do. Maybe sometimes it will come back at in force. People use macros for work, video editing, so on. If those people accidentally hit the macro in game they can be perma banned. Are you aware of the repercussion of that? You talk about "reason for exception", i bet there are a lot of korean players that should be banned if you follow the same rule you forced upon that guy. But since there are no clip or video to punish them, they rule doesn't apply to them. Because, like I said, the macro used in this case is just so damm stupid that only morons like some of you would believe that it's a reason for a perma ban and a person to lose YEARS of work for.

@ChookyChuck 8 ай бұрын

Modern computers apps need macro's for NON - GAME Productivity. That is why an exception should be made. BDO TOS concerning the use of macros (WHICH provide no in game profits) is outdated. I am not saying Macro's used for benefits in BDO are OK, but to extend this such your computer cant have any macro's just to prevent you from accidentally hitting a macro in BDO. Our computers should be productivity tools not dedicated game machines devoted to BDO.

@Bronwyn031 7 ай бұрын

@@ChookyChuck Well, weigh the risks then. If you get popped "accidentally" pressing a macro key then you know what's coming for you. Besides, W+LMB is a very odd macro to have on your keyboard unless you're macroing in some game. Once again, use at your own risk.

@haishawang9339 4 ай бұрын

nah just have your macro inputs on random input delays so they can't detect you are using a macro. ppl acting like this guy should get hanged when in reality he is only one of many macro users. there are literally so many exploits/hacks in the game that PA can't do anything because of their limitations. you would know if you played on SEA/TW servers. only this guy was unlucky enough to get caught so PA made an example of him.

@soobin_i 8 ай бұрын

13:43 7-day-ban is not for using macro. That pertains to misuse of the marketplace system. But you are saying "WAIT, WHAT? EXCUSE ME? THIS GUY MACROED FOR A TRILLION SILVER AND GOT A 7-DAY-BAN?" again, that 7-day-ban is not for the using macro. On the other hand, the ToS explicitly state a zero-tolerance permanent ban for the use of macros.

@soobin_i 8 ай бұрын

Further explanation on this matter: PA lacks the capability to accurately detect hardware macro usage. Therefore, a zero-tolerance policy on the first offense has been implemented. On the contrary, misuse of the marketplace system is easier to determine through access logs and IP logs.

@HateHolo 8 ай бұрын

Do you think if I press one of the macro keys on my keyboard on accident (that just contains a bunch of random key presses with no value in BDO) I should get my 7 year old account permabanned?

@soobin_i 8 ай бұрын

@@HateHoloOf course not. However, as I mentioned, PA cannot able to detect hardware macros. Hence, a strict one out rule was established, and so far, regular users have been dealt with that rule. There's no reason to apply a different rule exclusively for Hwaryong. The primary issue lies in the excessively simple, repetitive grinding system (which you can even use macro) The secondary issue is the incompetence of PA in detecting these macros. But there's no problem with the Hwaryong's permaban itself.

@legendaryhumper 7 ай бұрын

Just dont have macros on when u play bdo@@HateHolo

@soobin_i 8 ай бұрын

Simple issue. He failed to vindicate himself, got permabanned. When examining the log where he claimed to have been recorded on the keyboard, it appears too contrived to be trustworthy. 1) The recording on the keyboard contained numerous terms used in the game 'Lost Ark', yet the usage felt completely unnatural, raising questions about the necessity or plausibility of such word arrangements being recorded or used in that context. 2) he clearly opened mailbox(B) but `B` key was not recorded at all.

@cryptidian3530 8 ай бұрын

Is PA that scared of Korea's player base?

@SimilakChild 4 ай бұрын

How to get banned for RMT in BDO (without actually doing that stuff) 1. go to any major town and visit the storage NPC (Calpheon, Heidel, Velia, etc) 2. convert some or ALL of your silver into gold bars (better if you have A LOT of silver like 50billion, 75billion or more) 3. sell those gold bars back to the npc and repeat the process like 50 times.

@xnocturnus_clips 8 ай бұрын

The biggest problem here is that PA is cleared him of any wrong actions but then due to the pressure from the BDO KR community he was banned/sanction. It is within his right to approach it legally as well. He can get some back that would be definite but overall it really shows that PA when pressured by the community really can't do much.

@AdamNisenziSpisak 8 ай бұрын

Yeap, now he has even more reason to pursue legal action because they even said themselves they didnt have enough proof but banned him because he didnt have enough proof, its retarded

@cain7925 8 ай бұрын

Its show that their inconsistent and got no balls

@Andicus 8 ай бұрын

Except when it comes to giving us what we want -_- They only give in to dumb sh*t and nothing actually important.

@zeid9828 8 ай бұрын

Temporary Ban of like 1-2months would have been enough. Permanently banning him was too much.

@XLORDPROPL 7 ай бұрын

Ban for 1-2 months for a mistake, fair enough.

@visoroverwatch3247 8 ай бұрын

Getting banned from Black Desert is probably the best thing that can happen to any BDO player. It just means they can finally touch grass and get some sun.

@MrYJX559 7 ай бұрын

Lmao this is true

@crypterion_moon 8 ай бұрын

Honestly, he should go through with the legal process, be given back what he expended in the game for what is essentially PA bowing to the community over something stupid, then move on from the game. Not worth putting any more time into them

@TheTrueDeathKnight 8 ай бұрын

he has zero case. you dont own the game you rent the game with your purchase just like every new game now adays n he broke tos technically speaking n he streamed it.

@ColdNapalm42 8 ай бұрын

@@TheTrueDeathKnight To be fair, ToS is almost meaningless in KR. The litigation culture in KR is basically court of public opinion when it comes to civil suits. Laws don't matter. But considering how unpopular this guy is, I doubt he has much of a chance in even that scenario.

@user-rn9sy6xn9f 8 ай бұрын

Things criminals often say in Korea It happened by chance. It's a misunderstanding. It's a mistake. It's not intentional.

@FutanariNeko 7 ай бұрын

Meanwhile, on the SA servers. A guild leader clearly using HACK, even came out on Pistanity, is still playing today. Big PA

@dokgo7822 8 ай бұрын

As a computer guy, I would need to see the macro & what it did to really make a determination on if it was for BDO or something else. Typically bdo skills are complex & not keys that you would assign a macro to unless it was intentional. What’s an example of an app or reason for macro’ing like w+rmb + shift+f + s+d ; not saying he used those keys just giving a random example.

@nicolaspeigne1429 8 ай бұрын

I think it should've been over after the temporary ban, it was already quite long of a ban and served as a warning plenty. I don't know if the 2020 PA statement specify that the ban for macro will be permanent, otherwise they were already jolding true to their words with a temp ban.

@ColdNapalm42 8 ай бұрын

No, they said permanently banned.

@Dreadspark_ 8 ай бұрын

He should not have threatened legal, regardless if he intended to. You should never ever tell people you will legal them. It's like announcing a surprise attack.

@ColdNapalm42 7 ай бұрын

It's more stupid than you think. He threatened to legal ANYONE who spoke against him. KR's civil legal system is a nightmare. That is what caused him to go from polarizing to HATED.

@SimilakChild 4 ай бұрын

It's something you should not mention in a ticket to customer support. they would ban your account and request that your legal team contact them at blah blah.

@nhifuu 8 ай бұрын

Your investigation vid was kinda long, but didn't he press a few macros anyways and it was typing in buttons for him? Dude was showing it on the notepads right? So this abuse could have been done for anything.. for years. Like boss scrolls or off-stream like what happened with the free accounts fiasco?

@Chizzle751 7 ай бұрын

They made a change somewhere along the line, disabling Yolomouse, which is sad.

@XLORDPROPL 7 ай бұрын

It would be fair if they would take his silver that he maked for macro x10000 instead of perma banning him. 0x10000 = 0 lol

@cameronthorley4712 8 ай бұрын

This is actually horrible. Dude lost his entire account.... Thousands of hours and likely thousands of pounds gone for putting down his headset. PA really need to rethink this one owffffffff.

@reinhard98 8 ай бұрын

how do you know that is just because of his headset ?

@KozarrX 8 ай бұрын

@@reinhard98didn’t even watch the video did you? Just commented on the situation lmao. Naw him getting banned is dumb as hell.

@reinhard98 8 ай бұрын

@@KozarrX i watched and is not just because of hadset, he used macros something ilegal

@Seleneium7 8 ай бұрын

@@reinhard98 His keyboard has additional keys with pre-set up macros. He didn't make the macros. He has never used said macros in BDO before now. It is by shear chance that the macro executed a skill at all. Yes a macro was used but by accident. Thus he doesn't deserve the same punishment as someone who uses a macro willingly.

@PanjolArt 8 ай бұрын

@@reinhard98 headset fell on his keyboard and accidentally press the build in macros, the macro was pressing every buttons and one skill.

@BoundlessBoredom 8 ай бұрын

I mean, the dude was probably using the macro to help reduce hand/wrist strain while grinding. What is the likelihood of having a totally random macro programmed into your keyboard that just happens to produce a useful action in-game

@Mesoz 8 ай бұрын

It wasn't even a macro for the game. It was just a random ass macro which he had accidently hit the key for with his headphones. You can tell from the clip that was going around bc the macro opened random ui windows and chat lol.

@soobin_i 8 ай бұрын

@@Mesoz To you, the word "dkssudgktpdy" might seem like a random arrangement of alphabet letters, but to Koreans, it indicates that "안녕하세요" (Hello) in Korean was mistakenly typed in English mode. Hwaryong typed like "3000 1500 elfWlrqlgk trd ..." This seems to be a word used in the game Lost Ark, but its usage is quite awkward. (BDO version : 3000 1500 Quick Atoraxxion great job GLHF) My guess is this: Hwaryong tried to mimic something as if it were accidentally recorded while playing Lost Ark. However, due to lack of playtime and experience, He couldn't make a proper example.

@cain7925 8 ай бұрын

wow korean gaming community are rabid

@eetsnada1831 8 ай бұрын

no wonder their pvp scene is dead, nothing but toxicity

@nickphalen8818 8 ай бұрын

Wild, They should give one warning at least depending on the severity of the situation. But also on the flip side dont have a keyboard with macros its a situation that could have been avoided all together.

@jinyu5250 8 ай бұрын

Thank for your streaming! (from KR server) :D

@SimilakChild 4 ай бұрын

You can also get perma banned for having the macro module addon installed in your Razer Synapse/Central, even if your not using the macro keys assigned to it. the only automated activity they allow is auto fishing, auto processing, auto cooking, etc (which can be done in game without the need of 3rd party programs or keybinds)

@daylon8985 8 ай бұрын

PA legit dumb for banning over something this stupid. People are going to see this and be afraid to invest their time and money into a game where they could just outright be perma banned for such a small and insignificant reason. Wow.

@malec8517 3 ай бұрын

I think the reason he got permed was cause he threated to sue them, think as a company they had to make a call and perma banning him would most likely hold up better in court.

@Ofdimaelr 8 ай бұрын

Next up ban the people using runescape graphics and mouse movement.

@CacciatoreNero 8 ай бұрын

+1 that sould be banned since they are changing in game files to get advantages.

@randaru1527 8 ай бұрын

@@CacciatoreNero 🤡🤡🤡

@jingkir9273 8 ай бұрын

I finished watching, 7 day ban for almost a trillion silver. Vs. Ban for using it one time in a city. These dudes are crazy. Lmao!!

@viorelmuntean2774 8 ай бұрын

the macro slots come empty is order to set a macro on the keyboard you need a softwere or to manualy set the macro with keybord combinations usualy you can not you need the program . you need to activate the macro witch is a total diferent separate sistem in the keybord a phisical part in some cases. his button was on the verry top on the keyboard . He claimes that by mistake.......... (pure mistake ) activated that macro option pressed the button on top by mistake entered the key bind fore the 3 skills that he uses along with the e buff then confirmed the changes in order to stop the macro chain and save it...........? there is a posibility he played other games loke wow and used it there that would have been a good story but he saied he never used it.

@qzzqz4963 8 ай бұрын

if he had macro saved with mouse movement in, he used them 100%, he probably used them in smart way (not fully afk, like made macro run while still doing input himself so it dont get obvious in logs) also if community hates him there is 100% a reason, people don't hate someone for no reason

@polina1332 8 ай бұрын

His mouse didn't move. It's the mouse of the person who recorded the video. 🤣

@XLORDPROPL 7 ай бұрын

Sure, people don't hate someone for no reason, but that also doesn't mean they have a good reason ;)

@xulture 8 ай бұрын

I can understand all ways of looking at it, no outcome would be ideal tbh

@BriceBeNic3 8 ай бұрын

my whole out look in this situation is how deep he got himself in the community he makes content for, hate him. if he was truly a good person then there will be people to defend him in which I see none. and based on the back story he has alienated people in his community in the past which does not reflect well for him in his current predicament and sadly even if he is a changed man now, the past came back to hurt him. as for the macro in his keyboard. let us not take accountability out of it. if you have something in your keyboard that could get you banned because of the TOS then is also your responsibility for what comes after.

@XLORDPROPL 7 ай бұрын

It's about the justice, not about him being good or bad.

@ColdNapalm42 8 ай бұрын

1) His claim that the macro came on the keyboard is utter BS. NO keyboard comes pre-loaded with macros, you have to program them in. And he programmed in a macro for his Musa and NEVER used it...right. Totally believable. If you think so, there is this bridge in Brooklyn I wanna sell you for a good price. 2) PA was perfectly willing to go with a less extreme measure than a perma ban in his case. All he had to do was apologize and act nice. His response was I'm gonna sue EVERYONE. Not even just PA. He was threatening other streamers and content creators. He thought he was too big to fail and acted a fool. And PA let him get away with a hell of a lot before this happened. 3) It's not a witch hunt. Basically, everyone went nuclear AFTER he started to threaten people with litigation. In KR, the litigation culture makes California look downright reasonable (and we allow thieves to sue the homeowner if they get injured while breaking into their house).

@cjlsniper 7 ай бұрын

i think macros shouldn’t be bannable but that’s my personal preference, the games already got afk stuff set up, why not set up afk grinding as an option, we already can use it on test dummy’s so like?

@AJeeStrategy 8 ай бұрын

To simplify, based on PA BDO POLICY, RMT do not get you permanently banned while macro usage will make you perma banned. Thus, the TOS just sucks. TOS' Fault.

@ColdNapalm42 8 ай бұрын

No...if they have proof of RMT, you get perma banned. Those people got temp bans and silver penalty because they are just suspected of RMT. Macro use has the same thing. You are perma banned if they have proof you did it...otherwise it's a temp ban unless you can prove you didn't do it. Hwaryong, despite there being hard proof that he did use a macro was gonna get the temp ban for not proving you didn't use a macro originally. Than he got lawyers to sue PA and other streamers and content creators. So PA went with the hardline, we have proof penalty. And lets be real, even if there was no perma ban for macro use, as soon as you hired lawyers against PA, PA could and would just terminate your account. No company is gonna let you continue to use their services after you hired lawyers against them. And really, the KR community didn't go crazy against him UNTIL he started to threaten to sue them. KR civil courts makes California's courts look reasonable...and California allows criminals who hurt themselves while breaking into your home to sue you.

@1AMURFATHER 8 ай бұрын

He had some history within Korean server community which made a lot of players to be salty. Sometimes he even made even GMs to have hard time. I guess some grains of Karma got in this decision.

@XLORDPROPL 7 ай бұрын

So, they should ban him for toxicity instead, but who likes to have their playerbase watching a livestream instead of playing the game.

@gioXIII 8 ай бұрын

This is so bad. i really feel bad for the man. Like even if he did macro, a perma ban? they should know that people spend some insane amounts of money on the game and spend alot of time playing it. Like they even show silver gained from the people banned, so they could just wipe that silver that probably puts them in the red but atleast they don't lose their main account. No i don't like cheaters and all that but they are still people and they make mistakes. Atleast give them a second chance if they keep breaking TOS then ok ban them. But this is just feels bad man.

@dodom9671 8 ай бұрын

KR players and being delusional go hand in hand

@ColdNapalm42 8 ай бұрын

How is we hate people who threaten to sue us being delusional again?

@yella4877 8 ай бұрын

It says the person who illegally got almost 1 trillion silver was banned for 7 days, crazy.

@ItsSafehands 4 ай бұрын

Well, this is clearly not his first offense is it. Pearl Abyss clearly have more evidence than he's letting on.

@undead12345678 7 ай бұрын

17:25 It was like 20x that amount when I was playing. It was an insane amount. Almost my whole guild and basically everyone I knew, was hacking. One Player was like: "Im using "this" since 7 years and still no ban"

@HateHolo 8 ай бұрын

I don't understand why they banned him. It legit makes no sense. Not only did the macro clip make NO sense, he was hitting random buttons which opened his menus and that in itself is a given that it isn't a macro he would or could use in BDO for any purpose or advantage. Not only that, but then PA did their own investigation and found him to be innocent, that he had never used macros before and that the key combination of this macro wouldn't grant any benefit. So not only do we ALL know that he shouldn't get banned for this, but so does PA... So why the F do they ban him? I hate cheaters, I never watched this guy, I never heard of him my entire 7 years on this game but it doesn't take a genius to know this guy isn't cheating and doesn't deserve to get permanently banned for this.

@ColdNapalm42 8 ай бұрын

Because he hired lawyers to sue them. I mean Blue inferred to it at the beginning...but he lawyered up to sue basically EVERYONE...including the KR BDO community if they said anything against him BEFORE PA perma banned him.

@polina1332 8 ай бұрын

That's because public opinion about him before the macro is very bad in the KR community.

@HateHolo 8 ай бұрын

@@polina1332 Then BladeBoquez should have been banned in our server too, as he was obviously exploiting AND public opinion was against him. But he wasn't, the same way this guy shouldn't have been.

@ColdNapalm42 8 ай бұрын

@@HateHolo BladeBoquez didn't hire lawyers to sue PA. Honestly, that perma ban has less to do with what he did in game and more to do with the fact he got lawyers to sue people BEFORE PA announced what his punishment was gonna be. Which by all account was gonna be a temp ban to even no ban if was willing to play nice with the community. Instead his response to that offer was lawyer up and sue everyone. And really PA isn't being unreasonable to respond to somebody going I'm gonna sue you to terminate their account with them. And the KR community hate to him now is NOWEHERE near what BB was at...because he hired lawyers and threatened to litigate against basically ANYONE who said ANYTHING against him. In the KR civil courts that makes California courts seem downright reasonable. Before he did that...yeah maybe it was similar. Now...not even close. And that perma ban and all the hate is a result of his own damn actions outside of the game.

@HateHolo 8 ай бұрын

@@ColdNapalm42Him getting banned just improves his case though. I don't blame him for lawyering up after PA already bowed to the angry mob once when they demanded his ban. How else can you defend yourself? PA is insanely unreliable to make the correct decision about literally anything. Also what? BB was hated by the entire community so much that he disappeared for years and he died as a creator and streamer. Whether a person is liked or disliked shouldn't matter in the slightest. Only what they did to warrant this course of action. There's no chance he "sued everyone" that wouldn't even be possible. If he ACTUALLY sued PA however (which right now I'm not convinced of since it sounds like him just being angry and frustrated making empty threats) then I understand why they would ban him, however them stating the reason for the ban as macro makes no sense.

@VocodiaHoldings 8 ай бұрын

Macro cut~~

@ithrowtantrums4486 8 ай бұрын

This is what happened blue was sure he was cheating he then got pressed by the streamer and he changed his mind

@hbben6104 8 ай бұрын

Users suspended for 7 days can still play the game. They say the equipment cannot be repaired, but this is a lie. Only the Marketplace is Overdraft. The amount of money actually held by the user is not negative. Therefore, equipment repairs are possible.

@abraksas14 7 ай бұрын

7:15 i have the same keyboard, can you tell me how to set that up or point me to video or so that explains it?

@ddot1007 7 ай бұрын

Streamer was also accused of view botting his stream during the time when there was huge influx of new players in KR previously. There is whole posts about it.

@Igorath 8 ай бұрын

Are macros against PA's ToS? Apparently yes. Did this person have then installed and ready to use? Again apparently yes. Dd they use then on purpose or accidentally? Yes. Buh bye cheater! And good riddance. I've played enough mmorpgs to know that the 'I did it by accident' excuse is bullsh*t ESPECIALLY when they've been caught and punished.

@Zerou_Zumeron 8 ай бұрын

Lesson learns here is you always have to be cautious in everything you do, one mistake can cost you everything. Aside from that you should always be careful online, especially if you are streaming, you should not leak any information about anything you want to keep private, there are consequences of what might happen next. Btw Blue, about the thing you mentioned on your keyboard that you said that it is like a 'Macro' thing, I don't think that is considered as macro, in my opinion that is called 'Hotkeys' or 'Shortcut Key', if you have a certain program or application opened on the background (e.g.: your screen drawing tools), you set hotkeys or shortcut key to them so when you press those key/s, then it will trigger the said function. Macros on the other hand is different, it is much more complex, this is used to automate repetitive inputs on your computer (scripts like), unlike hotkeys/shortcut keys which is for single input/triggers only. I don't think you will get ban for that.

@TxInfinity 7 ай бұрын

Wait, is remapping keys not allowed either? I always thought macroing was capturing a sequence of keystrokes to put on one key.

@Denovis 7 ай бұрын

Doesnt having a minus 3 trillion silver means that the accunt is done for? You can't buy food, elixirs, blackstones, anything You'll need. You have to craft everything for Yourself, You can't buy anything untill You make that balance positive again. If that accound isn't like hardcap gear with tripple debos, i'd trash it and start over from 0.

@chris_hisss 8 ай бұрын

Blue you really got to work on your reading comprehension skills man, it is thousands of views in 4k where you are misunderstanding what you reading, then arguing with chat after already emotionally invested arguing points you are clearly wrong about. Maybe have an advisor if you don't really think it is that important in your ear, might help. You always have kind souls trying to help you in chat, and as one of those it can be frustrating to no end. Yeah this situation is screwed up, he basically was made an example of. Unfairly punished.

@PowerOfBond 8 ай бұрын

You are looking at the wrong notice btw blue. Anyways theres real deep issue why KR really hates this guy, the macro is just one of the problem. But he handle all of the problems really poorly. Also even with the legal team hes already fighting in losing battle, i really doubt he can win

@Jayeeyee 8 ай бұрын

Hwaryong is a polarizing player in KR. The pitchforkers isn't screaming REEEE at Hwaryong because of a macro. There's history behind the dude.

@MrTafseguri 8 ай бұрын

what makes him polarizing, whats the tea?

@XLORDPROPL 7 ай бұрын

@@MrTafseguri Haters don't care. ;)

@Venti_Depresso 7 ай бұрын

Wait what happened with blade?! I loved that guy back in the day 😂

@SimilakChild 4 ай бұрын

I think he was like the very first player in BDO to get banned back in like 2015 ~ 2016. I think it was related to profiting off RMT.

@Venti_Depresso 4 ай бұрын

@@SimilakChild nah I looked it up he was exploiting the worker system but I’m sure there was more to it than that

@dg6095 8 ай бұрын

Dude needs to charge back everything he's ever spent on the game and get a good lawyer 😮

@ColdNapalm42 8 ай бұрын

He got lawyers. That's why he got perma banned instead of a temp one. And not just against PA...he threated to sue any and all streamers and content creators in KR that spoke out against him. If you don't think a company will terminate their service to you once you get lawyers against them, you are a bloody moron. Yes, he got lawyers BEFORE PA perma banned him.

@Symcy 8 ай бұрын

Can they even detect macros nowadays? For example my Logitech mouse have onboard memory for different profiles, so it's possible to use G Hub software to set up macros, and then just remove Logitech software ... not sure how could they detect this.

@ColdNapalm42 8 ай бұрын

They can't. It's why when they detect something fishy, YOU have to prove you didn't do it. Because PA is not the government. You don't have the right of innocent until proven guilty.

@TehReasoning 7 ай бұрын

Getting banned from black desert isn't that bad to be honest, you can finally explore better games

@kaly8329 8 ай бұрын

Blue hasnt seen temp bans for RMT? Just go check Lost Ark 😂😂 they call it vacation.

@LadySinaria 7 ай бұрын

I don't care how much they made, if they made anything at all or who they are. If they cheat, they're gone and unless YOU were there and witnessed the issue in question then you're just offering your opinion which is what all those calling for his ban to be enforced are doing. I'm just a nobody and were I to get banned, for an ToS infringement, intentional or not then noone would care and I certainly wouldn't be crying because NOONE would care. My only wish is that EVERY cheater would be banned.

@EmpyreanDreamer 8 ай бұрын

If it were me and I had the means I would 100% go the legal route. They also need to get their priorities straight. There was a guy over here on EU speedhacking a while back, myself and friends sent in reports with video evidence multiple times and showing him doing it on different classes for weeks. It took over 3 weeks before he got banned. PA need to start looking at genuine feedback and evidence regarding patches and bans and stop being so easily swayed by brainless community whining. Then again we know they have selective hearing since they still went ahead with the dec changes despite probably the biggest split in the community we've ever seen. It wouldn't surprise me if PA don't like this guy.

@ColdNapalm42 8 ай бұрын

Of course they don't like this guy. He threated to SUE THEM. BEFORE they announced his punishment. Of course he was gonna get perma banned after that. Duh much. He was also threatening other content creators and streamers with lawsuits as well. Which is why pretty much the entire KR community hates this guy. We was polarizing to begin with, but after that, no, it is pretty much the entire KR community. As for why it takes PA so long to ban cheaters...because they need concrete proof for most of their actions. Based on their internal policies. So, yeah they needed those 3 weeks of you reporting. For severe things like macros and RMT, they have 2 tiers of penalties. If they have proof, perma ban. If they suspect and you can't prove your innocence, temp ban...with silver penalty for RMT. Also because it is almost impossible to definitively or even reasonably prove you are doing either of those things unless you are a complete moron.

@user-bo8fs3pr1h 8 ай бұрын

Yeah have to agree it is just a game, but to streamers this is a livelyhood.

@user-bo8fs3pr1h 8 ай бұрын

Please unban him PA!

@ColdNapalm42 7 ай бұрын

@@user-bo8fs3pr1h He threatened LEGAL ACTIONS. NOT gonna happen.

@saphir-english4665 8 ай бұрын

mhhh thousands of hours , money spent , even having background and entire career about this game and get perma banned , not like some months of ban but PERMA , i think it's too much especially if dude didn't made it on purpose , but it's also weird that his keys have macros already set to it tho, even if this one clip is an accident , it mean he still have macro set to keys on this game , game is trying to punish peoples who abuse macro because they have advantages and he had some set so i can understand but i wouldn't say a perma is what he deserve at all, also he didn't used it (yet at least) for money farming and others peoples made billions with macro and got either nothing or few days ban , just unban this dude PA!

@ColdNapalm42 8 ай бұрын

He ABSOLUTELY set the macro for BDO use. No keyboard comes pre-loaded with macros...and even if they did, there is noway it would be specific to BDO for the Musa specifically. And if he had it set up, you don't think he used it? If you believe that, could I interest you in a bridge in Brooklyn? Here is how things work. If they have absolute proof you did RMT or macro use, you get perma banned. If you are suspected of doing either AND you can't prove your innocence, you get the 7 day ban with silver penalty for RMT and 1 month ban with macro use. Despite definitive proof, PA was willing to give Hwaryoung the temp ban because there was no proof he used that macro for silver gain...probably because he was such a big streamer for their game. There was SOME complaints in the KR community about this since with proof he should have gotten perma banned. His reply to this was to get lawyers and threated to sue other content creators and streamers and even PA. That is what made the KR community COMPLETELY turn on him and what made PA go with perma ban. Civil courts in KR isn't a joke. He went nuclear...so everyone else went nuclear. He deserves his perma ban. Blue got so many things wrong in this video. Yeah I understand a lot of the info is in Korean, but he really should have done more research...especially since the banning procedures are the same in both KR and NA/EU...and well all regions really.

@Bronwyn031 7 ай бұрын

Question though... why was he using macros anyway? Even if you have the macros programmed for another game, why risk it? It's like an athlete getting caught in possession of PEDs going through airport security. Even though you tested negative, why are you even in possession of them? "Whatever man, I don't use macros to play BDO... except when no one is watching." 🙄

@louderthenvisual 7 ай бұрын

You can use macros for a lot of other things my dude. It doesn’t even have to be a game! But even so, who cares?! The only reason this got any attention is because losers have no time on their hands. This is dumb. Who cares? Boo hoo he macros. Whether he does or not doesn’t matter. Guy got banned for the dumbest thing.

@Bronwyn031 7 ай бұрын

@@louderthenvisual Spoken like a true cheater. Bravo!

@Jon-mo2tb 8 ай бұрын

well he used it multiple times ingame while demonstrating the accident and PA just said fuck it he's Macroing LMAO

@ColdNapalm42 8 ай бұрын

No. PA was willing to go with a temp ban for suspected macro use...despite the fact that there is hard proof he has macros for BDO on his keyboard. Right up until he decided to sue everyone...including PA. I'm sorry, but if you bring in lawyers and don't think you are gonna get perma banned, you are an absolute moron.

@lobsterpete8632 8 ай бұрын

Im not out to get anyone here but didnt you in the start call him a loser for macroing inhis chat and thats how you got banned in there? Now ur acting all like lets protect him...

@randaru1527 8 ай бұрын

"We here at PA let cheaters run rampant and our economy in most regions is entirely bot-driven, we don't care if you cheat... Oh, what is that you say? A popular streamer who said bad things about our game touched more than one button with his headset accidentally? Yeah, ban him permanently!'

@ColdNapalm42 8 ай бұрын

The key was that one of those button was a macro. And he didn't say bad things about the company was the issue. He threated to SUE THEM. PA was willing to go with a temp ban in his case. NOBODY is gonna let you continue to use their product as soon as you bring in lawyers. If you think this game is bot driven...boy are you in for a surprise in any other MMO. This game has the smallest bot driven economy of any MMO I have played in the last 20 years.

@Nabuchodonozord 8 ай бұрын

Who cares about that line in the ToS that says "regardless of profit made" xD The dude had a macro writing stuff and pressing random buttons. I have macros for repeatable stuff I have to write in my code because I don't want to look for all those special symbols and format it properly for readability every 2 minutes. Should I get banned from BDO for this if it does literally nothing in BDO except press stuff?

@XLORDPROPL 7 ай бұрын

Well, if you get an advantage by making silver easier...

@vimzim8576 8 ай бұрын

A lot of gaming companies are really hard on streamers, I can understand why, if you let a streamer get away with using a macro then it kind of becomes a soft acceptance of it in the eyes of the public. I agree the RMTers should have got a permanent account ban. My keyboard has macro capability as well, I don't think it is realistic to turn it on by accident, it sounds like it was already active and he accidentally hit the macro. I find it hard to believe that he hadn't setup macros on his keyboard to work with BDO. I do accept he activated it accidentally. I use macros, I really love the game but I have pretty bad RSI and some key combos are impossible for me to hit without janking my gameplay completely. I understand the risk, i don't make billions of silver let alone trillions, I am ultra casual. I accept the risk of using the macros, I can't really play the game and enjoy it without the macros so if I can't use them I wont continue to play, either way, I will play as long as PA allows me to. Their macro stance is also why I invest little into the game, I don't buy pearls because I know my account could get nuked for minor macro use so I am not going to spend hundreds of dollars buying stuff I could lose.

@ColdNapalm42 8 ай бұрын

Those were people that they couldn't prove were RMT...just suspected. People that get proven for doing RMT are perma banned. Which is basically nobody because proving this is kinda hard. PA is not the government, they don't need proof of guilt to take actions against you. If they think you did something, YOU have to prove you did not. The reason that the punishment isn't as severe is because they don't have proof you did RMT. If they don't have proof you used a macro but only suspect it, you also don't get perma banned. Hwaryoung was gonna get the lesser temp ban for suspected macro use, even though there is hard proof he did it, right up until he brought in lawyers to sue PA and other streamers and content creators. That's when the KR community went completely ape shite crazy and demanded he gets perma banned in unison and PA being threated as well pulled the trigger and perma banned him.

@taninogi 8 ай бұрын

Seems a bit vindictive of me for PA to ban him after legal was brought up but I also see it as a very clear violation of the ToS even if it didn't impact the game and no income was generated. I would love to hear more about this story because it is hard to make a fair decision given the circumstances and information available. Do I personally think he should be banned? No. Definitely not a permanent ban. This almost feels like setting a precedent for the future which can be a bit scary for some players.

@rbrt22992 8 ай бұрын

PA has a track record of bowing to the pressure from the community.

@zandafolf 8 ай бұрын

I'm confused. The fanboys are making this hard to follow by being a needless part of the drama. Only one question matters. Did he macro or not? I don't think PA really cares if he was using the macro to cheat or gain an unfair advantage. Their rules say no macros at all. So if he did do it, then I don't have any clue what sort of case he has to complain about being banned.

@ColdNapalm42 7 ай бұрын

Okay...so what happened was PA originally said he wasn't gonna get punished at all. Which kinda makes sense with him being the number 1 streamer in KR. The KR community gets mad...calling preferential treatment. PA says they will hire a third party to investigate. Hwaryong threatens content creators and streamers who speak against him with law suits he claims he has lawyers. This makes KR community go ape shite on him. The third party comes out saying that he is suspicious, but no definitive proof of guilt. Which would have been a temp ban. Before PA could say what they are going to do, he comes out, says he has lawyers and will take action against PA. PA perma bans him. He turned a temp ban into a perma one because he hired lawyers. If you think civil lawyers in the US are scums of the earth...well...the KR ones makes them look like angels.

@fullfall7007 8 ай бұрын

You Content creators represents the game be mindful of your actions and stop whining. Learn it the hard way kid.

@kertosyt 8 ай бұрын

7 day vacation for 1 trill macro? sing me up

@Leta_Mortique 7 ай бұрын

If he can be banned for a mistake no one is safe. My advise it's time to maybe look for another mmo to play. To spend real money on this game, to dedicate real life hours to this game and then to be permanently banned for a 1 time mistake... Yeah no.

@huntressrose 8 ай бұрын

nice thank

@aikckokkoikckia 8 ай бұрын

Pa Permaban him because he is popular

@ColdNapalm42 8 ай бұрын

No...they weren't gonna perma ban him BECAUSE he was popular. Even with a good chunk of the KR community calling for it. They banned him because he got lawyers and threated to SUE EVERYONE...including PA. Blue infers to this at the start. But yeah, when you threated to sue PA and don't think a termination of service is in your eminent future, you are delusional. Also that is what made pretty much all of the KR community turn on him.

@killerja3 7 ай бұрын

I feel like it was cause he was talking ish lmao

@MinamiX3 8 ай бұрын

Hilarious you rmt for trillions and get a 7 day ban + negative balance, you macro once and get perma banned

@rbrt22992 8 ай бұрын

It’s not the first time the bdo community got someone banned due to public outrage

@rbrt22992 8 ай бұрын

Also if you think the KR community is toxic I can promise you the NA community is 3x worse

@ColdNapalm42 8 ай бұрын

Hahaha...no. He got himself banned when he hired lawyers to sue PA BEFORE they announced his punishment. Which was going to be a temp ban for suspected macro use. When you hire a lawyer against a company, you think they won't terminate their service to you? You have to a blooming idiot to believe that. Also helped PA in that regard that the KR community completely went against him because he also threated to sue other content creators and streamers that was speaking out against him. He F'ed himself.

@waffleswafflson3076 8 ай бұрын

Its nice to see that way over on the other side of the world they still have the same culture of the people who watch streamers, also actively hating streamers and pushing for the worst possible outcomes for them

@AdamNisenziSpisak 8 ай бұрын

Its like saying someone shot multiple people on purpose, pre-meditated and just gets couple months in jail and can be also BAILED OUT compared to someone who accidentaly bumped another car when parking at a supermarket lot with nobody in that car ,gets death sentence.....what a fucking joke PA

@reinhard98 8 ай бұрын

He did something ilegal in the game and now you are crying that he got banned, when koreans were crying because pep like him don't get banned lmao

@mummeliini123 8 ай бұрын

Did you watch the video or are you just brain damaged?

@Seleneium7 8 ай бұрын

People take issue when punishments don't match the severity of the violation committed. A perma ban for breaking TOS by accident is heavy-handed in my opinion. What makes it worse is that people knowingly breaking TOS only got a temp ban.

@devilfire268 8 ай бұрын

@@Seleneium7 And the TOS doesn't even specify is a perma ban, it says it may lead to a perma ban. This ban was caused by the community. A shitty one at that. And this ban will affect others. People that have work-based macros can get ban for accidently hit the macro in game? What kind of stupid idea is that.

@HateHolo 8 ай бұрын

Don't comment on stuff you are clueless about. That's just common etiquette.

@reinhard98 8 ай бұрын

@@Seleneium7 in korea they have other rules, if you are cheating in a game you are permanent banned

@92mkd 8 ай бұрын

That's a fat thumage. I do this all the time with my controller as a console player going to the toilet or fridge.

@Nikolaj881 8 ай бұрын

no remorse for this korean guy at all ! he cheated and have done for ALONG time, plus he has been cheating twitch . this guy will always be a cheater . ban him again please

@AilzTheOne 8 ай бұрын

First

@The_Musassin 8 ай бұрын

Koreans.....sigh

@vudunrg1039 8 ай бұрын

Bunch of cry babies

@nicolaibalns1652 4 ай бұрын

Defending people using macro is abysmall. You talk about 1T silver? How much do you think that guy made with 50k hours? Everyone using macros deserves perma ban. Specially in a game that is so grindy. Its MUCH worse then any RMT. You have no idea how much Silver you can make in 50k hours appareantly. Trust me - you dont want to know.

@coolstuff7372 8 ай бұрын

He deserved the ban. This showed he used macros and at the time he got busted he didn't make money in that few second clip. Now how many times has he used it against mobs is debatable.