Packers don't care about rookie contracts if they have a franchise QB... Franchise QBs are worth paying whatever the market sets

Green Bay has the PATIENCE to develop players BECAUSE they don’t have an Owner saying “Win NOW!”

I think if PFF doesn’t score the ‘coffin corner punt’ TD positively, your system is broken. Firstly, look at the difficulty of that throw in terms of body position, throwing against body momentum etc - it took a lot of arm talent to get the ball there at all. Secondly, while I’m supportive of the general principle of ‘ball placement matters for YAC’, that premise breaks against totally blown coverages. Better ball placement there adds no value to the team and is immaterial to the result of the play. It’s the equivalent of awarding an OL a worse score for blocking but not pancaking a defender - ultimately if the OL made the play for the team they needed to, what difference does it make?

Green Bay knows how to DEVELOP a QB. Jordan Love didn't even SEEM stressed at all, he played like a savvy old vet and that is DUE to sitting, watching, learning and being eased into the role so that it was ALL second nature. I think it's a proven method and for some QB's, it's the right method. It seems to me like Dallas was looking past Green Bay, as if they figured they were SO talented that SOMEONE would step up and save them...and no one did. Watching them get BUTCHERED live on television? Fan reactions say it all, these people can no longer keep believing in false messiahs, false signs and wonders and false promises along with false prophets selling them the dream every single year. Sadly, they fall for it, like some PUMP and DUMP scheme to harvest the sorrow. It's crazy.

The real score was 48-16

Jordan Love, Aaron Jones and the rest of the kids are fantastic!!

Love grew 9 inches from his junior year high school to his senior year of college. That’s why it’s taken him longer to develop than most. But he’s arrived.

The only thing I’ll disagree with is you saying Love wasn’t good at the start of the season. It’s a bit disingenuous to say that-I get that you’re speaking from a statistical perspective, but when you watch those early games: there were a lot of drops, pass protection issues, receivers running the wrong routes, conservative play calling etc. I find it hard to categorize his play as either good or bad when the entire offensive unit was stagnant and inept. The development in the rookies and solidification of the offensive line allowed Love to show what he was capable of-and I believe he was capable of this all season. They just needed all the pieces to grow together. It isn’t Love just “flipping the switch”-give him more credit.

Love that these guys are just completely incapable of complimenting the Packers without mentally contorting themselves until they find a way to hedge. Love looked great! Let's spend 20 minutes examining all the way the Packers maybe actually screwed that up instead. Love was a super raw 2nd or 3rd round prospect, but hey maybe they wasted 3 years by sitting him because now that he's ready to play he's progressed quickly. AND they maybe left a super bowl on the table because they didn't draft Aiyuk instead... who was already picked when they took Love. And they were "surprised" he was good because they opened up the play book mid season? Love wasn't the only player on offense developing. Maybe the play book wasn't all about him and what he could handle? Maybe it was the receivers who were running the wrong routes half the time? The tight ends who were running the wrong routes and missing blocking assignments? The offensive linemen who were missing assignments?

Saying the Packers didn’t believe in him… They drafted him round 1 with prime Aaron Rodgers on the roster. Why would they have no faith in that evaluation of talent before the season started? Sam concludes this from them signing him to a reasonable contract as oppose to a multi year deal for a QB that hadn’t started more than a few games. PFF is a hard listen sometimes

Both of these scrubs said jordan love sucked for years

Packer's fans didn't believe Love could be this good? C'mon man, so many of us were believers early season just needed the team to get rid of their jitters/nerves. They did and now they're balling.

The Packers missed out on Super Bowls by not taking hometown TJ Watt, trading down and taking Kevin King instead.

lol. Jordan love wouldn’t have been like THIS after 8 weeks in 2020. He needed this time to sit.

They talk about "sitting" the QB as if that's all that's required. GB have QB coach Tom Clements and had a HoF QB for Love to learn from. Plus not having an egotistical, billionaire owner breathing down your neck expecting instant results must be a bonus too. Rodgers learned from Favre and some of those things were visible in his game. Then he developed some stuff of his own too. Now Love already has some of thosed combined nuances of both if them that he's picked up from Rodgers.

Matt Lafluer id do underrated and it’s about time he’s in the conversation for coach of the year

I see Sam is still oddly salty about Jordan being good 😂

Commented this on the main video, but I figured I needed to add it here too. The Packers never had the chance to draft Aiyuk. The receivers linked to Green Bay before the 2020 draft were Chase Claypool and Denzel Mims. Guys like Tee Higgins and Michael Pittman did not meet the athletic measurables the Packers want at receiver. If we took a receiver in round 1 over Love, it would have been a disaster.

The Packers have a system that may not work for everyone, but it works for them. The key phrase for their management team is "long term," which is a really smart way for any business to be run. There comes a time when your star is going to retire or move on - and he should. Good management doesn't react to that, it plans for it. GB management knew Rogers was going to move and that it was in the best interest of everyone to have a lot of his comfortable classmates move with him, all past honors notwithstanding. GB gave Rogers an extra year and lived with the results because they not only had Love, they also had a lot of other young guys and picks coming in. Decisions in GB aren't the result of media pressure or martini lunches with buddies. They're results-based. Easy in theory. Not so much in the real world. GB fans love and appreciate Rogers. But they also know management is well, managing.

Saying nobody knew is bull shit. Maybe not that many but I was screaming from a mountain top that Love was going to be great. Dont project....YOU didn't know

That’s just another empire in Green Bay! 👍🏻🙌🏼

reports were that the packers wanted to trade up for jefferson but couldnt find a partner...them san fran also traded up ahead of them for aiyuk... the "what if" convo in this discussion is revisionist history

Packer QB coach for the last 2-3 years deserves a lot of credit!

Brandon Ayiuk was not an option for the Packers. The 49ers traded up and selected him at 25, while the Packers traded up to 26 and picked Jordan Love. The best available remaining WR’s at 26 were Chase Claypool, Tee Higgins, DJ Hamler, and Denzel Mims. With obviously Higgins the best of the lot. So the question remains, would Aaron Rodgers, Davante Adams, and Tee Higgins won a SB? Seems doubtful since Joe Burrow, Ja’Marr Chase and Tee Higgins have not. Then Vikings GM Chris Spielman stated that Packer GM Brian Gutekunst called and inquired about trading up to select Justin Jefferson. To which he declined and picked the WR himself. Make no mistake, Jordan Love was a 21 year old project coming out. His first season he couldn’t even beat out Tim Boyle as Rodgers backup. And there were whispers of being a bust. He could not have started right out of the gate. The biggest fallacy in all of sports is that Aaron Rodgers was just one more WR away from another championship. Yet you give Tom Brady or Patrick Mahomes, the trio of Davante Adams, Aaron Jones, David Bahktari, and just an average defense and they win you at least one SB on any of those Packer teams that went 13-3 three years in a row. Brian Gutekunst’s pick Jordan Love was absolutely the right call.

I've always wondered about the start/sit argument in GB as well, but the fact that their mechanics and play style are different than when they come in and looked similar to their predecessors kind of makes me lean toward the development part and how it plays a huge roll. Commentators wont shut up about how much all 3 look like each other in play-by-plays which kind of solidifies it for me. Especially Rodgers mechanics coming out of Cal to starting in the NFL. Just my opinion though.

Good for Dallas, next year will totally be theirs!

Letting Rodger’s sit for 3 years absolutely saved his career. He was a robot in college. He held the ball by his ear and threw with his arms only. His footwork was robotic. Sitting behind Favre allowed hit to completely transform his style to playing loose and slinging it at all angles etc. hit NFL style to college is night and day. Love also picked up so many things from Rodger’s. His command of the offense. Clock management. Catching the defense substituting, the way he throws in the air and off balance is exactly like Rodger’s. If he went right into the league he would have been stuck in the style he knew and would never had learned to play like Rodger’s. He may have ended up being good 3 years later like Allen but it would have still took time to develop. It’s also likely that his ceiling would be much lower having started right away rather than taking 3 years with zero pressure to completely hone in the basics and fundamentals. A lot of these your QBs fizz out because they don’t have the fundamentals down and the pressure builds on their shoulders till it’s too much and they disappear. Learning how to win is also important. The mentality is huge! Learning how to carry yourself and lead your team from someone who has been there and done that helps a lot. Favre passed it to Rodger’s and Rodger’s passed that to Love

Having a QB is way more important than having them on a rookie deal. If you have a QB, then you're competitive.

As a British Cowboys fan since 1992 I guess that's how equivalent of the scoreline Brazil 1 - German 7 in World Cup 2014. We got our ass handed to us good and proper.

I think the thing everyone misses is that these Packer QBs are all drafted 2/3 through the first round. You don’t get the clear cut starters, you get the Will Levis who isn’t as developed but has the arm and the skill. Money isn’t the issue cuz we were good with Rodgers making the most in the NFL, the reason they sit is because of draft position and a qb already being there

Man the mental gymnastics on display here. The problem with these "experts" is they can never just admit they were wrong and move on. Instead they gotta spend 10 minutes trying to justify their crappy takes after they're proven wrong.

The whole “they wasted his rookie deal” and “did the packers cost themselves a Super Bowl by taking love” arguments sucked, what are yall doing? We nailed the pick, there’s no guarantee that we take a good player instead of love that helps us win a Super Bowl. Rodgers was in over his head and clearly wasn’t up to the task of winning the Super Bowl. Also love was clearly worse than Rodgers in his first 3 years, we saw it in preseason, saw it in his limited action. Going into this year was the first time I’d been confident he might be better because Rodgers was mid last year, and he’s been better that last year Rodgers since week 1. We maybe wasted a year, he could’ve been the guy last year but we got The Guy, it doesn’t matter

Aaron Rodgers deserves credit for getting Tom(QB coach) to help Jordan Love.

Even Mahommes sat for a year and learned behind a really good QB, it wasn’t 3 years but I’m sure that made a big difference for him as well. If you have a crap QB it’s not going to help to sit your rookie pick because they have nobody to learn from. If you have an elite QB I think teams should do what the packers do and keep the generational knowledge going. Whoever learns from love is going to have 3 elite QBs careers worth of knowledge to gain and so on and so forth. Each generation is going to have more knowledge. Love honestly seems like a good dude too and I think he will be the first QB to understand the deal and really help bring up the next generation when it’s time. Could you imagine how good love would be if Rodger’s really took him in and helped him

Correction to something said in the video several times. The Packers didn’t draft and develop three quarterbacks in a row. Favre was acquired by a trade. The Falcons drafted Brett. But still, having three straight franchise QBs uninterrupted is amazing. Look at the amount of QBs the Bears went through in that same timeframe.

A big part of the QB development process is stability in coaching. Matt LaFleur has been both the head coach and play caller for all 4 years of Love's development. Mike McCarthy was both the head coach and play caller for Aaron Rodgers development. In todays NFL its really hard to find a team that will allow a head coach that amount of time to develop a QB.

Not every team has the luxury of sitting a first round pick behind a HOF qb to learn and develop so it’s a tricky situation.

19:11 as a Packers fan it's interesting to hear how confidently they talk about this while exposing that they really don't know anything about what they are talking about. First of all Rodgers hardly ran MLFs system. These guys already proved they didn't watch any of the games.

One person no one is giving credit to is Tom Clemens. When Love was drafted it was Aaron Rodgers who pulled him out of retirement to be the QB coach. He was here for Favre and Rodgers. He is crucial to the development of our QBs

I don't think it's just learning from the bench, it's also watching how a hall of fame caliber qb prepares and performs

the half score by D was set up by Vegas...to try save things. Some weird S has been going on with GB. Last week the stick wasn't even pulled and they gave the Bears a critical 1st down on a 4th down

The whole "QB on a rookie deal," claim is massively overstated. How many Superbowls in the last 20 years does this account for? Seahawks in 2013, Chiefs in 2019, Steelers in 2008, Eagles in 2017?

And the whole sit vs play debate… it’s a fascinating counterfactual but you need to more fairly factor in some elements. One of these is the limits of epistemology: no-one can be an expert in the future. It’s unfair to say the Packers ‘are as surprised as anyone else’ for example - if that’s true why did Gutekunst draft him in the first place? Or trade Rodgers this past year? No-one can look at preseason and practice and KNOW - to pretend otherwise is false bravado. All that stuff can really tell you is whether a guy will be bad or not. What you can say is Gutekunst put his career on the line with Love, which other GMs didn’t. I’m also personally leery of the cap space/rookie contract argument. Of the last 15 Superbowls, 3 have been won by QBs on their rookie contract (an honourable 4th if you include injured Carson Wentz). Mahomes in 2019 season, Wilson with the Seahawks and Joe Flacco with the Ravens. Factor into this already thin evidence that Mahomes has won another Superbowl since and Wilson went back to the Superbowl (the interception at the goal line game) on second contracts. Clearly the QB rookie contract is one way to build a SB roster, but you’re describing it as a “cheat code” on this evidence? Time for a rethink.

I think Love also benefited by US Packers fans knowing and not having a lot of pressure on him. We knew this season could of went bad, and also knew Love may not have had a season like this but could still show growth and be ok. Lots of fan bases put too much pressure on their first year starter or rookie QB

So, one thing you did not add is that sitting worked in GB, because they sat behind a hall of fame QB. Most of the teams starting a rookie, do not have anything close to that. Also, GB has a bunch of young talent, and a tradition of developing that talent. A lot of coaches do not have the time to do that, it's win now or go home.

as a packer fan i want to see love do it for another year before i get too excited.

No, not having another WR was objectively not the reason they lost any of their playoff games since drafting Love. Their biggest problem in each of those games was OL play; simply having Bakhtiari not suffer a freak injury in practice would have been far more impactful and likely win them possibly even 2 Super Bowls than anyone they might have drafted instead of Love.

I think a lot of the argument that Sam makes regarding the process of picking and developing Jordan Love is disingenuous. It makes logical sense that a tools heavy raw prospect might need time to develop, as the Packers did. Sure, it's possible he would have been better sooner but it doesn't seem probable. It kind of feels like he's unwilling to admit he was wrong about Jordan Love being a good draft selection and just wants to throw new theories at the wall to defend his mistake.

Prescotts High stats on the game could not have been more irrelevant trying to erase a 32 point lead with less than 7 minutes to play and The Packers defense totally let up on Dallas to run the clock out .

Ron Wolf believed in drafting QBs every year, you never know when you'll need a new one or strike gold. Brady was drafted in the 6th round and not as a successor. Drew Bledsoe later signed a huge deal while Brady sat, developed and then a freak injury happened to Bledsoe. The rest is history.

Teams usually make the SB with qb’s or the rest of the team on rookie contracts

When you hear people talk about the first half of the season but not immediately talk about maybe some of the worst o line play in NFL history, everyone running the wrong routes, you'd have two or 3 WRs ending up standing in the exact same spot lol. But funny how when the Oline got healthy, the WRs started learning and now Jones is back, I think the biggest thing is Love is making the correct presnap reads now and checking into and out of the right plays.

So what was Jordan Love's PFF score ? You used to tell us earlier in the season😂

I thought about the same thing about Ceedee that the defense can just hone into him knowing they are trying to throw the ball to him 25:12

Truth is, franchise patience is market-dependent. (World-wide fan base included) That counts too.

Dallas playing defense like it's Madden 😂🤣

Brandon Ayuik took 3 years to develop. His first two years were no better than davante’s. There is no way the staff saw love playing like this and said sit him. I’d bet they developed his mechanics along with his understanding of the system MLF runs… his early season woes were learning the speed of the game. And expanding the playbook. GB’s success is the combination of several factors.

Is it just a Packer thing because no owner allows for the patience to do this? Or are the Packers just that good at finding talent. The Book of Ron Wolf was always take a QB in almost every Draft whether you need one or not.

Sam said the Packers declined Jordan’s 5th year option. That isn’t true. They extended him through year 5 to avoid having to make that option year decision, and paid him more this season (year 4) in lieu of having to be on the hook for his big money option year - without having watched him work as a starter. At the time it seemed like an excellent solution for both the player and the team. And now he’s about to get a HUGE contract.

Sam is a stunod. They didn’t open the playbook up at the beginning because that’s part of developing talent. Common sense 101

The Packers draft the replacement for their franchise QB a few years before they need him to take over. However, this pre-supposes that you have a viable QB, and also raises the question of resentment by the incumbent, and fan pressure of "wasting a pick" by not filling an "immediate area of need". Also, this begs the question of whether the QB you've drafted will wilt or blossom when they're put on the field. All too often, those gaudy "first round picks" at QB turn out to be duds. So, is it luck, or is it that some teams simply know how to develop QB's, while other teams are totally clueless.

We tried to tell you for weeeeekkksssss... This is not a team that needs. Lucky bounce, this is not a team that cares about your defense. They WILL score 30 on you, they don't need a good defense, they just need do their bare minimum. Jordan Love. Over 11, has been historical for a Packers QB...he has SMASHED every 1st time starter record...he may actually be the best QB, efficiency wise, GB has had ever He already has more 15+ passing plays than Aaron had in a season, even more than the MVP seasons. He has scattered GB playoff records They won't beat SF. But there is not another NFC team that is anywhere close to them for the next 5 years. Adams has even said, he would be happy to go back to Greenbay over New York "the Aaron years are over, but I have a lot of love for Greenbay and would be fine if life had me there again"

Next video make a grade and contracts for Farve Rodgers and Love. Id love to hear where that was.

JordHIM Love 🔥🧀🔥

I think a MAJOR key to packers QB development is having HOF QBs to learn from. If it isn't a HOF QB then idk if we are sitting in this same position.

Aiyuk wasn't available when we picked

The Packers do need to work on their prevent defense. I'm really looking forward to the 2024 season. GO PACKERS

I think it’s pretty clear Jordan love would not have been this good if forced to play in year one or two. We did get to see him play in pre seasons. No pre season year one for him, but big jumps from years 2-3-4 in preseason. And we saw love start against KC in year two and look awful and then we saw him play again Philly year three and he was good. No question in my mind a massive part of Love’s success was him sitting for a few years. And slowly growing each year. Doesn’t mean that’s the answer for all qb’s though. Look at Stroud, clearly he doesn’t need to sit for three years.

Packers fan here. Problem is Dallas is so predictable, their offense and defense are basic. Regular season allows for team to win "our way". Playoffs you need to adjust, throw curve balls, take away the opposing teams best player. Packer suffered the same issue under McCarthy, they dominate in the regular season due to Rodgers and Adams Supreme skill but come playoffs its not enough. Dallas needs a new coach and another true playmaker outside Lamb. Otherwise this will happen again and again.

Brandon aiyuk wasn’t winning us a Super Bowl, he was too raw. The biggest mistake Gutey made was not signing OBJ and letting the rams get him. I think that move was the fork in the road of that season. We lost to the 9ers because we could only score 10 points or whatever it was. The rams won the Super Bowl having just enough juice to beat tampa and then getting one amazing half vs the bengals and clinging on to that lead after he tore his acl

Imagine if we still had Adams developing these receivers. We can play what ifs all day but I bet in 2014 you all said what if we win a superbowl

Dallas should just move the franchise a bit north to Pilot Point. Instead of Big D, we could call them Little PP. I think that makes much more sense at this point.

Some Packers fans and the Packers organization knew that Jordan Love had the potential to be him

As a Packer fan, that was on McCarthy and poor play calling. Seen that first hand!

So far I haven't seen anybody talking about what we actually just saw. Pucker up Jordan Love is HIM. there is a new alpha in the league. The Packers WR room and TE room all rookie and second year players BTW have just emerged as superstars. Good luck with Watson Doubs Reed Wicks Melton. Anyone of them can burn you for a good 120 and 2 scores. You better keep a safety over top of Watson or he will wreck your whole fucking night in a catch or two. 49ers went through a slump but I think that had a lot to do with injuries on the defense and I believe they got their best pieces back healthy again, that will be good in terms of them stopping the Packers run.....but I mean good luck. Load up and we'll bomb it out.

Wrong point on thr 5th year contract. Without any cap space, they needed to spread the money out over two years. Granted, a one year extension isn't a long commitment but he hadn't played much to warrant one regardless of what you thought he would be.

Jordan love is doing great. Not knocking him at all. But the conversation between guys like Jordan Love, who has had about a half season of being decent, and Brock Purdy after 2 playoff wins, and even after more than a season, is super frustrating as a 49ers fan. Jordan love has apparently done enough to prove himself and Purdy is still a question mark with probably a big downfall coming.

Your little scenario ignores one thing. Rodgers would have frozen Aiyuk out of the offense and he would have ended up a bust like Amari Rodgers.

This is a big, fast, smart offense..they're inexperienced but every player on green bays offense is loaded in physical traits.

The waiting debate is stupid. Packers know they need the time to develop, period.

Go pack go!

if your mind set is to sit and develop than you need to do across the board with all the position and you dont spend much money on fa. packers didnt dip into fa market as much as other teams.

Tom Clements.. look him up pff. Rodgers credited him for his development. Love developed in year 3.... just so happens that's when Tom Clements came back to work with love.... He's green bays little QB whispering secret. I believe he was also there with favre. But he didnt really help favre develop because favre was already old. He more so helped him lower his ints year over yea, near the end of favres gb stint.

Hate sam trying to defend PFF grades to say love was bad at the beginning of the season (the team is young=lots of mistakes), if youre smart, you just see that certain guys have IT, saw that Love had it this preseason; didnt know he be this good this fast though.

The Packers are what happens when you don't have one billionaire owner controlling everything. Owned by the fans means there is a structure of leadership in place who is only accountable to make good football decisions. There is no one person whose whims and biases must be taken into account, or who can overturn process on a bad day. It seems like it has a pretty good track record of good hiring and drafting with the long term team success in mind.

Maybe the trick is drafting a qb you like rather than drafting a qb because you need him now.

@sapgooey made a great comment…no meddling win now owner

The Packers have been very good at Draft & Develop. Most teams are not. Which subsequently means they must draft for NOW & not for the future.

I don't recall anyone mentioning the cowboys only scored there points once Green bay took there starters off the field in trash time

Packers changed the meta by opting to receive first. Guarantee teams start doing this more in the ‘24 season.

Gonna give green bay their flowers... then proceed to again be critical as to whether the way they handled jordan love was correct and barely touch on their success in the game

Aaron Jones is the most important player in their offense, PERIOD.

Where are all those Cowboys fans calling me delusional, hater etc. for saying I'm betting on the Packers to win & cover 7.5.

Hard to sit a first rnd QB when you have billionaire owner breathing down you neck.

Referees missed call they wouldn’t have any points

Lmaooo they put out the cowboys lost game before the browns lost😭PATHETIC

That wasn't Jordan (Love), God wearing a Packers jersey showed up and waxed the Cowboys for 48 points.

Is baldy a Bears fan? Seems like a Bears fan

400 yards plus and 4 touch down and you blame Dak? If that was someone else, it's money in the bank

Did the cowboys screw it up? Or is green bay really good?