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All eyes are on Aaron Rodgers after the Green Bay Packers dropped to 3-6. He is set to take on the Dallas Cowboys at Lambeau Field in Week 10. The two-time MVP has been the talk of the season, including calling out his wide receivers in the beginning of the year. Now, an ESPN report says that Rodgers created tension in the locker room by painting wide receivers as 'scapegoats.' Emmanuel Acho, Joy Taylor, LeSean McCoy and David Helman discuss whether they like how Rodgers has handled the season.
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@SpeakOnFS1 Жыл бұрын

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@JCWalling Жыл бұрын

Absolutely not.

@nateallen9436 Жыл бұрын

@@JCWalling I second that

@davidcraig5813 Жыл бұрын

Also, Shady great point about rookies and the 'give them time' argument. Nice one

@jimihendrix5195 Жыл бұрын

Speaking of chemistry, the show is building more over time.

@camvole8806 Жыл бұрын

Exactly people were so quick to try to write them off but they are gelling now

@AilmanF2P Жыл бұрын

@@camvole8806 It will never be in the level of Wiley but it works. Those guys were finishing each other sentences, I doubt they will reach that level.

@anthonywelford1379 Жыл бұрын

Shady isnt meant for this show

@juanjuarez6416 Жыл бұрын

They need to make Wiley a guest!

@anthonywelford1379 Жыл бұрын

@@juanjuarez6416 thy need to get wiley back

@donovanwashingtongreen947 Жыл бұрын

I swear Acho plays devils advocate on this show....and the rest of the team passionately refute his views. Love this show💚

@mmitchek5 Жыл бұрын

Joy absolutely cooked Acho on this one

@Sandman1027 Жыл бұрын

Can’t even lie.. joy killed this one

@terrybiles Жыл бұрын

Nah

@beyondbatman0654 Жыл бұрын

Falcons drafted Farve, her point is moot.

@suave4L Жыл бұрын

also while Davante & Jordy were developing, they had Donald Driver/Greg Jennings (Jordy) & Jordy Nelson/Randall Cobb (Davante) they took an L

@ThirdThinker Жыл бұрын

Acho stay trying to rationalize excuses for Aaron Rodgers. He's been terrible this year.

@EnterpriseNCC-1701 Жыл бұрын

Packer's fans see it differently 🤷

@joesway206 Жыл бұрын

Because he was MVP last year.

@clintonpullen4955 Жыл бұрын

Aaron is top 10 in passing.

@SSneaks1515 Жыл бұрын

Nooo he’s just giving a different perspective 🤭

@CrimsonUltrafox Жыл бұрын

I mean these shows always have someone on each end of the spectrum. I just think Acho is being devil's advocate here and it boosts ratings when these types of shows are more of a debate than a collective agreement. It's why Skip and Shannon often have opposing arguments even if they agree on stuff IRL. It's just the sports show meta.

@lobstersquid9352 Жыл бұрын

It's getting EXTREMELY hard to like Aaron Rodgers. I can understand the frustration but so many others that are considered less than him, have gone a different route. Tom Brady is famous for screaming at teammates... On the field

@maverick33guy95 Жыл бұрын

And calling them out in podcasts lol I mean come on...Rodgers and Brady are divas

@cfynest1 Жыл бұрын

Pretty sure they all get paid the same regardless of what nobodies like u say behind youtube of all places 😆

@KinnuSingh Жыл бұрын

@@maverick33guy95 name one player Brady has called out in the last two decades.

@stephanea5364 Жыл бұрын

@@maverick33guy95 Players love Brady, no one would call him a diva, but Maverick33 guy, a nobody, will.

@itsmeflacko1618 Жыл бұрын

@@stephanea5364 and you are? 🤣

@timkuitems4431 Жыл бұрын

Every time Joy speaks I hear, "And here's Joy with the news." This is a good show. Hope you all continue.

@ElembeeOfficial Жыл бұрын

lol had forgotten about that

@user-ps2wm2fw9u Жыл бұрын

😄

@bigbro9220 Жыл бұрын

This show made me appreciate Joy way more

@problemsnearyou8899 Жыл бұрын

At least you’re willing to open your eyes to that . She’s been a beast for a while

@thedefinitive6296 Жыл бұрын

@@problemsnearyou8899 it's just been nice to see her somewhere she can actually say what's on her mind. She's an elemental force of good sense

@CloseYourBrownEyes Жыл бұрын

As a man of culture, I appreciate Joy a lot.

@problemsnearyou8899 Жыл бұрын

@@thedefinitive6296 not to be annoying, but she can open the door for woman to be taken seriously in this business . She’s going to have people feel open to her & appreciate her beauty of course, but respect her mind as a sports analysts . She’s setting a standard though cause she trained under Colin & is great at breaking down games

@maqsudlatif3266 Жыл бұрын

She keeps talking about Rodgers money and at the same time warns the Ravens to pay Lamar 300 M guaranteed 🤣 she's soo bad at analysing sports. She repeats what she heard from somewhere without using her brain.

@mambamentality6148 Жыл бұрын

I swear acho on EVERY take just wants to be on the other side and different, just because. 😂😂

@WordsMatter1982 Жыл бұрын

It's his job. It's actually a sneaky genius move to get the others to debate and get the audience riled up.

@fredselvage2544 Жыл бұрын

@@WordsMatter1982 facts; it’s a debate show

@dmvo_johnny7648 Жыл бұрын

!!!! One of the Green bay receivers tweeted he about to start dropping passes on purpose 😳 bro! You can't say that lol🤣🤣🤣

@420blowingsmoke Жыл бұрын

ahaha on purpose....like it matters they can't catch it when it's thrown right in their hands clowns ain't gotta purposely try to drop it

@prodigy2244 Жыл бұрын

@@420blowingsmoke we aint gon tell the difference

@XxGlobalGamerxX Жыл бұрын

On purpose. On accident. They’re dropping the ball regardless.

@DVic56 Жыл бұрын

@@420blowingsmoke 😂😂

@TheWindJacket Жыл бұрын

cap

@k2hilliard Жыл бұрын

Shady speaking facts

@tacohombre3648 Жыл бұрын

Nehhh ...

@juanjuarez6416 Жыл бұрын

Dave is really growing on me! He holds his own with these huge personalities

@postadaking634 Жыл бұрын

True!!! He is hilarious

@JoeL-MoJo Жыл бұрын

Joy is a beast on her talking points! Hands down best debater in this group!

@deezerbee81 Жыл бұрын

they didnt draft Favre...Atl Falcons did

@cadottnews Жыл бұрын

Yep. But they traded a first-round draft pick for him. Ron Wolf was the GM.

@williecarswelljr7518 Жыл бұрын

Not surprised. Aaron always blaming other people but himself. Leaders hold them accountable.

@esaru86 Жыл бұрын

Totally true!

@skillganon606 Жыл бұрын

@The Kid He's done this his whole career. This isn't new, he's Trent Dilfer with a better arm and a bigger ego.

@skillganon606 Жыл бұрын

@The Kid rofl, let me guess next your gonna tell me Eli Manning is a hall of famer?

@Goodsense215 Жыл бұрын

@@skillganon606Hes the new Vinny Testaverde or Jeff George 🤣🤣🤣

@sonshoshita3613 Жыл бұрын

@The Kid lmao no....

@zeno4649 Жыл бұрын

Remember when everyone said great qbs can raise the play of any reciever lol yall all looking dumb right about now... lol

@cyrusnicca Жыл бұрын

Joy is the best thing on this show and has the most sense!!!!!!

@erickhanna80 Жыл бұрын

Like 25 and Joy said, if you take a majority of the team’s cap, you can’t keep the people you need to keep. He should’ve never taken that money. But it’s all about me me me Karen Rodgers.

@bryanwilson1641 Жыл бұрын

Tom Brady is by no means my favorite qb at all. This man had 6 super bowl rings but still took the time to organize workouts with his new teammates,specifically WRs, in tampa DURING COVID bc it was a new set of critical players. Aaron Rodgers somehow thought his ability was so superior that he could overcome chemistry…the fundamental key to team sports😂😂. 2 time mvp with one of the greatest wrs he had yrs of chemistry with. Its not rocket science. Stop excusing him skipping OTAs with the new guys. The “goat” didn’t do it…they won a superbowl 🤷🏿‍♂️

@latinshine1 Жыл бұрын

Joy Taylor looking good and dressed like one of Prince's girlfriends from an 80's video...

@bpraise517 Жыл бұрын

Love Shady's hate on Aaron ...he says what I think out loud.

@colbyfranklin7215 Жыл бұрын

Joy be speaking some f*cking facts

@RUTHLESSambition5 Жыл бұрын

That's what people who look like him do. It's ALWAYS someone else's fault. They got EVERY excuse in the world of why Herbert can't make the playoffs and has a below .500 record

@dustinroberts3445 Жыл бұрын

You’re a racist

@Dukedevils320 Жыл бұрын

Wtf 🤣

@jmf5838 Жыл бұрын

Joy spittin fr

@simps104 Жыл бұрын

Joy speaking facts while looking SPECTACULAR! And I’m a Packers fan 😂👍

@mr.paleface5962 Жыл бұрын

Joy on fire as usual.

@prodigy2244 Жыл бұрын

Aaron Rodgers cap has nothing to do with who they are drafting lol

@mbmbeatzent. Жыл бұрын

The reverb in joys voice is powerful

@mikethomas860 Жыл бұрын

This show took a big step back.

@randomanton Жыл бұрын

It'll grow on you, like everything else

@goldenalchemist Жыл бұрын

I don't get all the hate towards Rodgers.

@bentipp9539 Жыл бұрын

They didn’t draft Favre and they got lucky with Rodgers. Let’s not act like they are a well run organization. It’s good tv to hate on Rodgers. If you actually sit and watch him every week on Pats show, this narrative doesn’t add up.

@ronneemazukin Жыл бұрын

I love hoy Joy disassemble acho take using his own take.

@bryanpotter3882 Жыл бұрын

Aaron Rodgers handled the season poorly 😢

@flashh6919 Жыл бұрын

His WRs can’t handle catching the ball or getting open. Y’all want him to throw and run down field and catch it? Tf

@sonshoshita3613 Жыл бұрын

@@flashh6919 lol so what about the lions game?

@pglanville Жыл бұрын

Acho playing a role here.

@sportsavant2937 Жыл бұрын

I hope they don't get upset with Acho for saying bad teammates. He was only making a jokes. Men even smart men sometimes make dumb jokes. This tells you Acho is a good guy because he sometimes thinks he makes innocent jokes just for fun but there is no malice behind that at all.

@kaize666 Жыл бұрын

I am sure everybody knows it's a joke. It's called ribbing. Someone make a joke and you tease them about it.

@mistaidgaf9166 Жыл бұрын

Acho is right and Joy is right He should have been doing pay cuts like Favre, what's going on

@wblake22 Жыл бұрын

When he didn’t get the big money did they bring in the weapons like other teams do?

@prodigy2244 Жыл бұрын

that doesnt mean anything when they dont even draft them

@wblake22 Жыл бұрын

@@kanestra8upmenace251 They got lucky Woodson turned out to be the player he was. When the Packers signed Woodson he was on the downside of his career and it turned around when he got to Green Bay. At the time most picked or wanted Lavar Arrington over Woodson and it turned out to be the better of the two. They got lucky how Rodgers turned out to be the player he was. What big free agent offensive weapon did the Packers spend money on? Jordan love was the only 1st round offensive weapon they got

@darkwolfe6286 Жыл бұрын

But McCoy was right as well you have new WR to GB and offense and Rodgers should have been with them to get to know what he had and how to get them to respond the way he needed them. Players are not plug & play. You practice run routes get timing and sync with them. Aaron thinks it should just fall in to order just because 🤔. Success doesn't work like that

@wblake22 Жыл бұрын

@@darkwolfe6286 that’s what training camp, practice is for. We in the middle of the season where the timing and things should’ve worked itself out by now.

@willault9120 Жыл бұрын

Bro, he has NOBODY to throw too!! They're not running correct routes which forces Rodges to hold the ball longer and no choice but to force throws!? The lack of knowledge of what is actually happening on the field on a play to play possession is crazy!! I don't like Rodgers but these talking heads including former players dragging him because they don't like him is ridiculous.

@yaboi9191 Жыл бұрын

Yoo I love this show shady is the Shannon Sharp of the show. Good content! Hilarious sayings! Love the Philly swag and it keeps the show moving

@robertbourke423 Жыл бұрын

The Packers are currently a sorry team. Rodgers should either play better or just accept that this season is a write off.

@johnroberts1141 Жыл бұрын

Many reasons why Brady is the goat and Aaron will never be.

@Zach845 Жыл бұрын

That Christian Watson comment aged well.

@mandelharvey3429 Жыл бұрын

You want to take all the money you don't get expensive receivers. You don't throw to them when they're open you can't build them.

@waynesonneman7343 Жыл бұрын

I like when people say this, because I like to know what happened to all that money they offered Adams to stay.

@mandelharvey3429 Жыл бұрын

@@waynesonneman7343 borrowed time averted. if they offered it was to match not to show their own love. And if you put an established player under contract you make the first year basically a signing bonus to spread the cap hit into the future. We wondered where the money they aren't paying Lamar Jackson gets spent. For example Jalen Hurts is so cheap his team is amazing. He's likely to be MVP because he's the figurehead for that team. But in my opinion his salary makes him the MVP dollar for dollar of all time. Be interesting to see how they structure his contract how many playmakers they can keep. Win lose or draw that's a collection of good players. They're going to have a time trying to replace cap hits with draft picks.

@sydnic96 Жыл бұрын

I enjoy Speak and love Joy!! She brings a great balance to the show and always comes through with the facts! I miss her on the Herd but happy to see her on this platform

@K.H1914 Жыл бұрын

say what y’all want, but two of the most polarizing people be having the funniest moments on this show 😂. Shady and Dave’s interactions be killing me sometimes 😂.

@mariojimenez227 Жыл бұрын

What WR's???? Lol Lazard has missed 2 games, multiple 3rd & 4th down drops, Hammy Watkins missed 4 games, can't win 1-1 and running wrong routes, Christian Watson has missed 4 games and gets KO after 1 catch every game lol Doubs now injured and has been up and down, Cobb the best WR they have, been out 5 games lol

@slimischillin7753 Жыл бұрын

This show is kinda terrible. Almost like Aaron Rodgers, but that’s just my opinion.

@Youtubeisrunbypedos Жыл бұрын

That's my opinion as well

@user-hy1od6by1w Жыл бұрын

Yet here yall are

@nengvang999 Жыл бұрын

the old show was great why they change it

@timkuitems4431 Жыл бұрын

I've seen Rodger's share a couple "atta boy" moments with the receivers this year. He definitely does not do it behind a mic. I think he's about to retire. Superstars get tired too. Being a leader and encouraging others gets old when you are ready to retire.

@sonshoshita3613 Жыл бұрын

He's literally never been a leader...

@theguardian308 Жыл бұрын

Rodgers is so arrogant. It’s all about him. watch Brady and then rodgers and they are miles apart in leadership. Brady took a lot of paycuts to bring in WR, rodgers is hoping packers can get WR for price of maccas

@darkwolfe6286 Жыл бұрын

Rodgers has no leadership skills Drew Brees was a better leader and motivator. Aaron loves motivating his mouth to hear himself speak

@deegee5878 Жыл бұрын

Only mainstream show I watch. And it’s 💯 % cuz of shady.. fly 🦅 fly.

@k2hilliard Жыл бұрын

This is my favorite show now n not even close

@darrondoss8660 Жыл бұрын

I like Joy! She's a real fan and student of the game. She's fair or at least have fair opinions. Not just hating to the point of absurdity. (Shay) and it has nothing to do with her being beautiful!

@howulikemenow3011 Жыл бұрын

Baby Jeff Saturday speaking facts 🤣

@matthewcolwell6593 Жыл бұрын

They miss Wiley something FIERCE

@Wraith3100 Жыл бұрын

I haven’t watched a whole show since

@CoreyKing_2 Жыл бұрын

@@Wraith3100 bro you not lying, this the second clip I checked out since he left. They miss him dearly.

@dayslife2956 Жыл бұрын

Joy not allowed to say favre name or something she caught herself quick

@obynoomere1280 Жыл бұрын

🤣🤣🤣

@JCWalling Жыл бұрын

These guys are all clowns. Stop talking about people’s leadership unless you’re in their locker room. Tom Brady yells at the receivers and it’s accountability. Aaron does it and he’s a bad leader. 🙄

@jacobstevens9845 Жыл бұрын

Honestly that thing about Rodgers self awareness is so spot on. It’s clear on the field and this season. Also he’s had like 3 serious gfs leave him. It’s spot on

@tylerjordan1991 Жыл бұрын

Happy birthday Acho 🥳✨🌊

@tecworld2401 Жыл бұрын

She right again

@Jinz3 Жыл бұрын

That man can never be considered an all time great. I'll take Drew Breeze over him any day.

@tonyellis9616 Жыл бұрын

There's a big disconnect. Different ages, different mindset. If Aron wants to turn this season around he's going to have to have a sit down with These young men's, so he can get a better understanding of who's on his team. Man he just have to humble down and apologize for some of the things that being said. And go from there.

@Kt31821 Жыл бұрын

This I agree with.

@patrickmccaskill6238 Жыл бұрын

Key word young men this ain’t college they getting paid be catch the ball and arod not getting paid 50 million to be a baby sitter

@tysmith2138 Жыл бұрын

@@patrickmccaskill6238 Really? Arron needs to play better and stop bitchin and moanin! Lamar Jackson 1# tightend went out last week in the game and he went to a rookie WR that got his 1st td and over 75 yards and they won the game! An MVP QB is suppose to elevate the players around them!

@tonyellis9616 Жыл бұрын

@@patrickmccaskill6238 yeah you're right this not college, but yes they're still young men. From the ages of 20-25 I would consider them young, and also they're young when it comes to becoming a professional, so with that being said, they have room to learn and grow but for that to happen they'll need someone that can lead them as other leaders do and not throw others under the bus for his own mistakes. But guess what I have a television also and I can see with my own eyes that Arron isn't playing well at all.

@maqsudlatif3266 Жыл бұрын

@@tysmith2138 never compare Rodgers with Lamar 🤣 compare Lamar with Cam Newton, Vick or RG3

@chairmanoftheboard11 Жыл бұрын

Can somebody on this show quote Aaron Rodgers please. They should quote him then talk about what he said.

@tylerjordan1991 Жыл бұрын

Thank you joy! 👨🏽‍💻

@1lfjewelz181 Жыл бұрын

Dave with the 1-2 analogy punch

@cortez7893 Жыл бұрын

Expecting the back to back MVP to take a pay cut is crazy. Rodgers isn’t playing well but it isn’t cause he took what he was owed. Front office is terrible

@Iwillroastthesocksoffyoass Жыл бұрын

So what's new.

@TheDabombg28 Жыл бұрын

Packers didn't draft Falcons did Favre. Outside of that everything Joy said was on point.

@withallduerespect5073 Жыл бұрын

why is acho making so much excuses for rodgers?

@ianrobinson6861 Жыл бұрын

If you have four panellists with the same view, you got no show. Someone has to play devils advocate for there to be a discussion.

@withallduerespect5073 Жыл бұрын

@@ianrobinson6861 good point but he doesn’t show herbert the same grace as rodgers so it’s a little shooting knowing rodgers is clearly the more experienced player

@graymaybe8587 Жыл бұрын

Shady getting better 👌🏾🔥

@__A_A Жыл бұрын

This was a great segment! Achy trying to validate AR is pure comedy because there’s no way

@lauraung6440 Жыл бұрын

I love how Joy said everything about AR, Joy is right, there’s the door lol

@davidbrown7357 Жыл бұрын

Best point ever about these last 5 years with him. And everyone was on his side and still are, but he could have just said I'm out. Looks like it would have been for the best outcome for both. Now both are locked into a possible ugly transition. But honestly they will bottom out three before they make a comeback. Now and at the end of Aaron's tenure and the third even greater with j love til he figures it out or they get another qb. They have talents it will take time to have the progressions made that will make the greatest impact

@terencejones9044 Жыл бұрын

Happy Birthday Acho !!!!!!!!!!

@CutterAz Жыл бұрын

This is the result of paying QBs somewhere around $50million a year versus everybody else around $30million to $1million a year. It still takes 11 guys on each side of the ball every down....

@bfmvbrass Жыл бұрын

First smart thing mccoys said: “i need a new show”. I agree, please go away bruh

@chuckbenson4197 Жыл бұрын

I am sorry but you sll are wrong Aaron Rogers is part of the management that he is whining about that was the only way he would come back last year was if he had say in all decisions. SO IT IS HIS FAULT ALL THE WAY AROUND.

@boybawang1981 Жыл бұрын

Is this new!? We’ve all known Erin Rodgers has always been a diva!!

@moe1231908 Жыл бұрын

Crazy how you can just insult people on tv now a days and call them out of their name “clown”! Really? That’s professional.

@dariush.4241 Жыл бұрын

Tom Brady is yelling at his line constantly yet they will not have a episode talking about Brady. There doing bad as well.

@graymaybe8587 Жыл бұрын

Someone tell Acho most of the all time great WRs didn’t go to those big name brand schools. Moss, Rice, Marvin Harrison, etc

@matthewanthony3romeroburri82 Жыл бұрын

No one's mad at the receivers as much as they are the coach and Rogers, we can't even remember their names long enough to be mad at them.

@onlineadvertisingnet Жыл бұрын

Bring Marcellous Wiley back - he was awesome!

@mistaidgaf9166 Жыл бұрын

Murphy and Guekaurst should be responsible and Joy yes they are Green Bay Packers never get A+ team

@Chosen1of2012 Жыл бұрын

No cap the cast is growing on me and honestly I know Acho agrees with them but someone had to be on the opposite side of the argument.

@MrPlaymaker5 Жыл бұрын

Can somebody tell me what happened to Wiley?

@wblake22 Жыл бұрын

People love to say Rodgers took all the money and that’s why he can’t get help. At the same time acknowledge the Packers not spending money or getting him any help like that. Rather Rodgers took the 50 mil or not the Packers was going to do Packer things the way they doing it now.

@droid8642 Жыл бұрын

Rodgers sat his first three seasons, and he berates his first year players

@TheDirtdogg75 Жыл бұрын

Packers didn't draft Brett Farve. Atlanta Falcons did.

@jevonerica660 Жыл бұрын

Shady + Acho = Vibez 🤣

@EyeofhorusTaurus Жыл бұрын

😂😂😂😂 my young bull shady a real one

@SlugSage Жыл бұрын

@11:28 I signed up for joy.

@beelor5777 Жыл бұрын

Rodgers need those older guys (Cobb, Mathews, Woodson, etc) to be leaders on the team because he knows he can not be that leader

@DrLawrenceDunegan Жыл бұрын

The videos don’t lie. The Minnesota game alone proves Rodgers right.

@phleyeboy1 Жыл бұрын

THIS WASNT ABOUT AARON RODGERS AND THE GREEN BAY PACKERS ORGANIZATION

@LukeNukem82 Жыл бұрын

all offseason: "packers WR room is the worst in the league" all season: "why cant Rodger make miracles happen"

@itsmeflacko1618 Жыл бұрын

Ppl really got mad and used to flame Brandon Marshall for his takes but shady sounds like he has no idea what he's talking about half the time

@seanm1319 Жыл бұрын

He has become too cerebral. Unless the WR runs the EXACT route he wants, he doesn’t trust them at all… that’s been a problem for almost a decade now. He has forgotten how to play back yard football and throw the WR open. The fact is DeVante Adams is the only new WR (or pass catcher brought in) Rodgers has meshed with since 2012. THATS A PROBLEM, and primarily on him. In regards to Watson, after he dropped that first pass his way, Rodgers was blatantly afraid to give the guy another chance to redeem himself. After that he’s only had runs or pointless dump offs that do nothing to maximize his skill set (part of that’s on coaching too). Also he’s had obscenely bad luck with injuries; two concussions in back to back games is bad luck, not poor conditioning or the “product” of going to a small school. Martellus Bennett himself said Rodgers is more talented than Brady, but Brady was much easier to mesh with. Brady wants the receiver in a general area before he cuts the ball loose, while Rodgers will only cut the ball loose if the WR runs an exact, precise route. If anymore thinks OBJ or Toney would’ve helped GB, they’re loony.