Pacman On Other Distros, How To and Why You Shouldn't
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3 жыл бұрынIn this video I show you how to install the Pacman package manager on Gentoo and why you shouldn't actually do this.
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@McD223 3 жыл бұрын
Im installing pacman on arch and there is nothing you can do about it
@magnusanderson6681 3 жыл бұрын
sudo pacman -S pacman
@alkaupadhyay7650 3 жыл бұрын
@@magnusanderson6681 sudo chmod 777
@Rami-L 3 жыл бұрын
I used the Pac-Man to install the Pac-Man
@MrSilvo34 3 жыл бұрын
Don't do it!
@onlyVetements 3 жыл бұрын
Im installing arch on pacman and there is nothing you can do about it
@helidrones 3 жыл бұрын
In the early days i used PacMan a lot, then i rediscovered Space Invaders.
@grim.reaper 3 жыл бұрын
For a second I literally thought space invaders is a package manager 🤣... good one!!
@anonymanonym9004 3 жыл бұрын
I dont get it
@helidrones 3 жыл бұрын
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@uiopuiop3472 3 жыл бұрын
im emerging from above
@gast-vn5xy 3 жыл бұрын
I'm laughing to loud
@gadgetguy99 3 жыл бұрын
I remember trying to do this when I first made the switch from ubuntu to fedora. Learning was fun though.
@hanro50 3 жыл бұрын
I mean... I've had troubles running software that was clearly optimised for Ubuntu on Fedora in the past... Seeing as Fedora stores some of its own internal libraries in slightly different places compared to Ubuntu
@user-rg1jp2us4o 3 жыл бұрын
Everyone knows Microsoft store is the best package manager.
@Henry-mc5yq 3 жыл бұрын
After I install gentoo, the first thing I do is get rid of portage and get the Microsoft store. Honestly it’s just common sense
@NithinJune 3 жыл бұрын
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@NithinJune 3 жыл бұрын
my Microsoft store is curious corrupted, I literally can't play Microsoft flight simulator or forza horizon which I baught
@user-bd4wz1pb1t 3 жыл бұрын
better than winget?
@defautluser0 3 ай бұрын
@VaDR3dit's the same but on gui form
@fawzanfawzi9993 3 жыл бұрын
This channel is one of the best channel to learn Linux from.
@spankroy 3 жыл бұрын
Man, my first Linux exposure was back in 97 or so with RedHat. This was pre YUM and DNF, so you would quickly run into dependency hell when trying to install some program that was in the RPM format. Good Times™
@neonfuz_ 3 жыл бұрын
@@trtrhr he wasn't abbreviating, these are the names of the package managers for redhat and fedora based distros. YUM is the old package manager, DNF is a newer improved one. RPM is the actual package format, if you can find a RPM for some software you want you can download it and install it on redhat based distros.
@spankroy 3 жыл бұрын
@@trtrhr Sorry for the confusion, YUM was the package management system that used to be the default for RedHat Linux, very similar to the apt system used in Debian based systems. DNF is the replacement system for YUM that was adopted a few years ago I believe. RPM is the format of the packages that these package managers themselves work with, and is specific to RedHat/Fedora Linux. The Debian equivalent would be a .deb package.
@nykal1510 3 жыл бұрын
@@trtrhr Your fault n00b
@TheJackiMonster 3 жыл бұрын
Theoretically you could put each package manager in its own container to not interject with one another. This would require duplicated configurations and installations for a lot of software but it should protect you from breaking everything.
@ltex3424 2 жыл бұрын
thats what bedrock linux does but the packages share dependencies
@yash1152 Жыл бұрын
> _"thats what bedrock linux does but the packages share dependencies"_ @@ltex3424 nice, thanks for sharing
@coffee-is-power Жыл бұрын
try bedrock linux...
@MichaelWilliams-lr4mb 2 ай бұрын
3 years later, but now we have Distrobox. :)
@windowsagent981 3 жыл бұрын
Super useful. I'm heavily considering gentoo, and this helps me better make a final decision!
@marioschroers7318 3 жыл бұрын
@Kendall Koontz And here! ☺️
@itsgalaxy2407 3 жыл бұрын
@@marioschroers7318 and here!
@larikkin 3 жыл бұрын
@@trtrhr Gnome is not even an OS
@marioschroers7318 3 жыл бұрын
@@trtrhrMake your choice. ~ John Kramer 😀
@laurinneff4304 3 жыл бұрын
@@trtrhr i like gnome
@lucas7061 Жыл бұрын
The RPM package manager can also be installed from the main repos. I didn't install any software but when I tried to it did warn me about missing dependencies so it should be possible as well.
@JohnNiemand 3 жыл бұрын
Do you use any patches for your font rendering on Gentoo?
@ocsanik502 2 жыл бұрын
Thoughts on using pacman to handle artix's init specific repositories to get access to more precompiled binaries on gentoo?
@matthewrease2376 3 жыл бұрын
I like pacman, but the lack of a similar feature to apt's `autoremove` really bothers me. When I install a package with extra package dependencies, I expect those deps to be removed (if unused by other packages of course).
@octavylon9008 3 жыл бұрын
pacman -Rns
@matthewrease2376 3 жыл бұрын
@@octavylon9008 I actually stumbled across this a few hours before you commented, and I felt like an idiot. Thank you though. I only used -Rs, so I'll check out what -n does when I get the chance.
@mikezamayias 3 жыл бұрын
Excellent video, super useful
@justinsuvoy 3 жыл бұрын
Great topic!!! Thank-you sir!
@1aminepro 3 жыл бұрын
>video released two minutes ago >Video 12 minutes long >Comment 1 minute ago Hmmmmmm
@TheoParis Жыл бұрын
i see that no ones talking about LFS - what if you build your own "distro" and then install pacman on top of that? Isn't that better than using an existing distro alongside pacman? and you can create your own pacman repository to solve systemd issues as well
@Jojtek22 3 жыл бұрын
Huh, I did something similar recently. I installed and configured dnf on openSUSE to use it instead of zypper (I really missed transactional update history). So far haven't had any issues with it but after this video I feel a little anxious.
@hanro50 3 жыл бұрын
Considering OpenSUSE is based on slack Linux... I don't think you have much to worry about in that specific instance. Slack's default package manager doesn't automatically resolve dependencies...
@shreyasr7469 3 жыл бұрын
I love this channel.
@uuu12343 2 жыл бұрын
This is a fantastic resource for if you're trying to install pacman on a brand new Linux From Scratch build tho
@nikkehtine 3 жыл бұрын
Mental: "pacman is more human readable" Pacman update command: pacman -Syu
@favor94 3 жыл бұрын
whenever i do update on my arch i simply imagine one of my favourite guitar player with sama name -Syu
@wikiddikdik1352 3 жыл бұрын
pacman -Syyyyuuuu
@ahmadradwan7429 3 жыл бұрын
Pacman -Sy(stem)u(pdate) Is how I remembered it when i first started out.
@primefactors888 2 жыл бұрын
S for sync y for yes , #dout u for update And apt be like apt update Not done yet, that was just checking apt upgrade
@primefactors888 2 жыл бұрын
Jk
@gabrielcoronelcascante9111 3 жыл бұрын
8:02 I guess you mean terminal emulator, your shell is bash.
@mrcrackerist 3 жыл бұрын
if your gentoo was running systemd would the packages work better?
@radiicall 3 жыл бұрын
i actually got pacman installed on MacOS High Sierra somehow, i didnt even try, i added repos to it because the repo list was empty and every time i try to install something it gets mad because a directory "already exists" then it errors out. I think it was a dependency for one of the packages i installed with brew but im not sure
@antikommunistischaktion 3 жыл бұрын
Chromium doesn't work because the chroot can't connect to your X server. Bedrock Linux works around this enabling even GUI software installed in different "strata" to work.
@user-ef4we3gn5h 3 жыл бұрын
I was trying to use pacman on Ubuntu, but I couldn't. Then I moved to Gentoo and I will try this
@btwiusearch1284 3 жыл бұрын
Just use arch or artix runit/openrc...
@nemonada3501 3 жыл бұрын
Is it just me or do you really enjoy technical challenges?
@BurgerKingHarkinian 3 жыл бұрын
He probably wouldn't be using Gentoo if he didn't, don't you think?
@leonardo9259 3 жыл бұрын
On a few months he will be printing his own circuit boards and pull some BS reason to do it without sounding redundant
@alkaupadhyay7650 3 жыл бұрын
And he will provide, one day, his ssh to us so we can ssh into his computer and use his cores to compile programs faster
@JR4996 3 жыл бұрын
Maybe he is going to made the next temple OS by itself
@marcs9451 3 жыл бұрын
thanks mr Gentoo
@tacokoneko 3 жыл бұрын
I heavily use a large collection of workstations and servers that mostly run either Debian or Arch and, being honest here, I've learned that pacman and apt-get have almost exactly the same features, except that the *apt-get build-dep* command for Debian is a feature apt-get has that pacman/Arch DOES NOT HAVE, so you have to make do without that feature when using Arch. Besides that I think they are functionally equivalent when used as intended in respective default native OS
@tacokoneko 3 жыл бұрын
if you use Arch Linux + AUR and you use an "AUR helper", and if you're not familiar with Arch Linux and how to fix/avoid problems involving AUR packages, then it's easy to encounter issues similar to those caused by using multiple package managers because some AUR helpers function similarly to a secondary/supplementary package manager to pacman. The solution is either be prepared for these issues and know how to avoid/solve them, or don't use AUR packages and only use official recommended Arch Linux packages from the official repositories
@destiny_02 3 жыл бұрын
Random fact : temple os iso is 16mb
@Rojfos 11 ай бұрын
Thanks
@suriyas1456 4 ай бұрын
Thanks
@dallasupton 3 жыл бұрын
What forums should I go on that aren't pozzed I used to love 4chan but it's been infiltrated
@victorprokop2240 3 жыл бұрын
You dont just extract tar balls to / and keep track of packages writing them in a notebook Normie
@benjaminbras7475 3 жыл бұрын
Huh? You still write it down? Just remember it in your head. It is much easier as it removes the need for paper.
@MrRenanwill 3 жыл бұрын
You can make a .txt file with the root beeing the owner Hahah
@alkaupadhyay7650 3 жыл бұрын
Alien
@ohio2440 3 жыл бұрын
hey outlaw, will you ever use pacman-src?
@MpSniperM1911 3 жыл бұрын
i thought missing dependencies was "enough" for the dependencies hell, but i guess i'm wrong
@jerrytu0916 3 жыл бұрын
In the Windows world, missing dll files and/or getting the wrong version of them could disable a program. When a program expect a dll file that the devs thought was bundled with default Windows installation, but got a newer version of the "same" dll, it will cause a lot of issues. Some old games probably died because of this dll hell.
@MpSniperM1911 3 жыл бұрын
@@jerrytu0916 i had to reinstall rocket league 5 times because of some missing DLL, the solution: install every dll possible to the system32 folder (or sub-folder)
@jerrytu0916 3 жыл бұрын
@@MpSniperM1911 I have got multiple versions of D3D9.dll to shove in and out of a game's root folder before it can work correctly... Good times
@MpSniperM1911 3 жыл бұрын
@@jerrytu0916 even in the native OS which most games is written you still have those kinds of bullshit. And i still have a custom d3d9.dll to make custom DLC run on Rocksmith 2014
@uiopuiop3472 3 жыл бұрын
im emerging from above
@egg5474 3 жыл бұрын
Not related, but do you know if there's an easy way to network portage through to a local server and return the compiled binaries back over to the original computer? (meaning POS pc runs gentoo but then emerge is ran on a much more powerful system)
@skittlesvampir8400 3 жыл бұрын
distcc
@yoursred 2 жыл бұрын
@@skittlesvampir8400 CC=distcc
@yoursred 2 жыл бұрын
You can get and EPYC 7551P, 64 gigs of ram, and a board for a thousand buckaroos
@FennecTECH 3 жыл бұрын
There are very spesific situations when you want to install pacman on a non arch system. And the only one is if your using devkitpro’s spesific Pac-Man
@sdafasfF Жыл бұрын
What are your configs? And where can I get a copy or similar version so I can config my own mainly terminal and your bar they look bad ass man
@seppa1671 3 жыл бұрын
Recently, when I tried to download Artix Linux, it had all wrong SHA256 hashes on their website and I think its user base is not so big to get reactions and fixes soon. Is Gentoo the same?
@airdog46x 3 жыл бұрын
Torrent it. Then you get the good version
@larikkin 3 жыл бұрын
Not sure about Artix, but been using Gentoo for the last 10 months. Whenever I got a problem had to resolve it fast I hopped on to their IRC and someone pointed me in the right direction in a few minutes. There's also a forum and subreddit, either of which I've yet to try, but I'd assume they lively.
@seppa1671 3 жыл бұрын
@@larikkin thanks.
@cmc_cs2 3 жыл бұрын
pacman is pretty good. I've been using xbps for a while but pacman is pretty great ngl
@destiny_02 3 жыл бұрын
Another fact : Temple os Lite iso is 2mb
@joaoqueiroga3404 2 жыл бұрын
I have dpkg on gentoo. There is just 1 package I need that isn't available on gentoo. I really don't use dpkg for anything else.
@MpSniperM1911 3 жыл бұрын
i always read the font name as "Iconoclasta" instead of ICON-SOLATA
@hexa3389 3 жыл бұрын
Its inconsolata actually.
@MpSniperM1911 3 жыл бұрын
@@hexa3389 i know, i can read, it just me reading wrong
@JustSomeAussie1 3 жыл бұрын
Sorry to inform you but i think you may be disabled
@____-gy5mq 3 жыл бұрын
@@JustSomeAussie1 nice way to give someone a heart attack
@MpSniperM1911 3 жыл бұрын
@@JustSomeAussie1 maybe it is dyslexia
@kaysersozze 3 жыл бұрын
you dont need overlay for libressl, for firefox to compile you just need nodejs compiled with -system-ssl
@MyReviews_karkan 3 жыл бұрын
sudo pacman -S nano 5 seconds later, oh it is done. Let's get to work. sudo emerge nano "See ya in two weeks" I love Gentoo 😂
@grobislav 3 жыл бұрын
What about nix or guix package managers? :)
@alerikaisattera1465 3 жыл бұрын
They store all files in a separate directory
@YouTubeCensorshipStinks 10 ай бұрын
I used Slackware back when it was first released, so I was born in dependency hell lol. Pacman for the most part is love. Basically if you want a non systemd version of arch, get artix. If you want gentoo, get gentoo.
@forloop7713 3 жыл бұрын
Video on the recent cyberattac?
@hermannpaschulke1583 3 жыл бұрын
DevKitPro (a toolchain for nintendo devices) actually uses pacman for installation on all systems
@LeonidBraynerMyshkin 3 жыл бұрын
I don't get it. How can you use dwm and not st? I switched from urxvt to st before switching from i3 to dwm.
@NerdistRay 3 жыл бұрын
He uses both
@NodokaHanamura 3 жыл бұрын
brb, gonna install pacman, aur and apt on hannah montana linux
@daol03 3 жыл бұрын
crux packagemanager is fast as well, with pkgmk or prt-get :)
@perz1val 3 жыл бұрын
What about Bedrock the distro then ?
@PatrickOuthier 3 жыл бұрын
Or if you don't want to break everything but keep your muscle memory try pacapt or pacaptr. If you like apt for some strange reason try sysget.
@alkaupadhyay7650 3 жыл бұрын
Bruh apt becomes your memory when all you do is play with apt. Apt is pretty good
@caleb22lr 2 жыл бұрын
could you install pacman on lfs?
@veto_5762 2 жыл бұрын
kinda funny heard people loving arch for pacman to me since i used first on windows with MSYS2
@skittlesvampir8400 3 жыл бұрын
But _IF_ I am in dependency hell, I can just delete that chroot folder and everything will be fine again, right?
@rahilarious 3 жыл бұрын
If you're in chroot then it doesn't matter whatever you do inside, it won't break out of /var/chroot so no fear of dependency hell
@antarctican5284 3 жыл бұрын
Are you going to make a video on lto-overlay?
@rahilarious 3 жыл бұрын
I think he already did one. LTO+GRAPHITE+Pgo or something
@nebulium6641 3 жыл бұрын
Cant you install dpkg on arch?
@hanro50 3 жыл бұрын
Yes... should you? Not unless you're crazy
@robertsaac238 2 жыл бұрын
That moment when you run out of disk space because you have 4 competing version of glibc install from different pkg managers.
@fwingebritson 3 жыл бұрын
Rats! I thought it was going to be "pacman: the distro" Like the Hanna Montana distro. So, is it that hard to make a distro like Hanna Montana distro?
@foolishshepherd7973 3 жыл бұрын
But tho good idea👍
@slavko5666 3 жыл бұрын
Is Pacman faster than xbps tho? Checkmate atheists
@gabrielcoronelcascante9111 3 жыл бұрын
I think so... But at least in xbps you can install from source
@____-gy5mq 3 жыл бұрын
@@gabrielcoronelcascante9111 well you can do that using abs eh? Also xbps syntax is a cluster hell to me.
@alkaupadhyay7650 3 жыл бұрын
Opensuse YaST is fast as fuck
@Kocotian 3 жыл бұрын
@@gabrielcoronelcascante9111 ABS also can install from source
@laurinneff4304 3 жыл бұрын
@@gabrielcoronelcascante9111 on arch you have the AUR, which makes that possible
@enrott8560 Жыл бұрын
What happens if you dosudo Pacman -Syu
@randomforrest4199 3 жыл бұрын
I use Alpine Linux on my laptop for school, and there are a bunch of programs that I need for school that can't be installed with apk. So for me, it was a dealbreaker to be able to use pacman and the aur on Alpine.
@dachd 3 жыл бұрын
Does it work OK pacman on alpine? Wouldnt getting the deps yourself from sources be easier and safer?
@mavhunter8753 3 жыл бұрын
The first time I ever used Pacman was on Windows (through msys2).
@universeindex6651 Жыл бұрын
brb running xbps pacman portage dpkg and pkg simultaneously on windows 98
@logangraham2956 3 жыл бұрын
what id do with this is i'd use it for chroot environments using the pacstrap command.
@milescrew2621 2 жыл бұрын
Is using pacman on LFS a good idea tho?
@Justanoobcoder 2 жыл бұрын
same question. compiling source code is not a problem for me, but managing packages and dependencies is hell on LFS
@BeethovenHD 2 жыл бұрын
Alpines apk rocks xD
@asedonii-chan8466 Жыл бұрын
have u tried bedrock linux? it solves this
@drishalballaney6590 3 жыл бұрын
how about bedrock linux then..?
@kirschitz64 3 жыл бұрын
DevkitPro would like to raise an objection
@nly8286 3 жыл бұрын
There was FreeBSD with the pacman PM
@MrRenanwill 3 жыл бұрын
Why not chroot?
@fParad0x_ 3 жыл бұрын
And what about bedrock?
@darkoneforce2 3 жыл бұрын
I use yay and/or bauh.
@kuma-bw1we 3 жыл бұрын
real question: Why would there be a dependency problem? If program 1 need dependency A, B, and C, when program 1 is downloaded and installed , it should put all dependency in program 1 folder. If program 2 need dependency B, C, D, when program 2 is downloaded and installed, it should put all dependency in program 2 folder. Folder for program 1 and folder for program 2 shouldn't conflict with each other at all. Each folder should be independent of each other , they shouldn't conflict at all. Each package manager should download and place dependency in completely different folders. ??????????????????????????????? I just don't understand. Maybe linux package manager work differently then npm
@Justanoobcoder 2 жыл бұрын
okay, how about this situation. program 1 needs A, B, C (B version 1.0). program 2 needs B, C, D (B version 2.0). now which version of B should be used? that is the conflict. different required version can cause some issues. and a system which has the same packages installed is bloated.
@alerikaisattera1465 3 жыл бұрын
One can use pacapt, a pacman-like wrapper for other package managers, instead
@Iknowrealtv 3 жыл бұрын
How would you classify yay that's basically built off pacman
@hanro50 3 жыл бұрын
If I remember correctly... isn't yay a tool that allows you to connect to the arch user repository to download software not available in the official arch repository?... If so then it's just... it's analogue is probably either PPA's for Ubuntu based systems or Copr for Fedora based systems. Just in that you don't manually need to enable a set repository or download a config option via the terminal for it to function.
@Iknowrealtv 3 жыл бұрын
@@hanro50 yea you are kind of right. yay is like life.
@majorskies7091 3 жыл бұрын
Or using Manjaro. I used an Arch Based Distro btw oMo
@yash1152 Жыл бұрын
8:14 part 2 of this video starts here (though, it's part 1 of the title)
@marcello4258 2 жыл бұрын
of you want to use Pacman with arch packages better use a chroot
@user-ir5xb1yk5k 3 жыл бұрын
But it's possible to use nix package manager on any linux distro
@cannedeals 3 жыл бұрын
Same with guix
@serio0367 2 жыл бұрын
I use apt on my iPhone.
@stayfunsteven2207 2 жыл бұрын
8:27 flashbang
@waterbird2686 Жыл бұрын
1:23 I'm crying in pip
@cestarianinhabitant5898 3 жыл бұрын
Why would anyone think this is a good idea? If you want pacman, use arch or arch based distro (like manjaro, manjaro is a fantastic solution for people who want pacman, but not all the hassles that come with regular arch)
@cunningham.s_law 3 жыл бұрын
how about nix?
@hydrophobicwalrus749 3 жыл бұрын
My thoughts exactly.
@twb0109 3 жыл бұрын
Nix is distro-agnostic
@rahilarious 3 жыл бұрын
What about it? What are the benefits other than "one dotfile for system" and "downgradable packages" ??? I've got lvm snapshots in case power goes down while installing. Once you go gentoo nothing else impresses you
@tokiomutex4148 3 жыл бұрын
pacman on something != Arch -> dependency hell nix on something != NixOS -> no problem
@TheLukemcdaniel 3 жыл бұрын
If you want to use pacman, install a distro that has it by default. You're only begging for issues to happen when you try and shoehorn a different distro's package manager into a different distro. It's not like installing arch or gentoo are that difficult. It's not something I would suggest someone that's a linux virgin try, but once you're comfortable doing anything in shell, it's just a matter of following instructions. Unless you're the type that had trouble following directions on those worksheets they give out in middle school(you know the ones where it's a list of 20 items, the first is read all instructions first, and the last one is just do items 1, 5, and 11?) it's not that fucking hard.
@user-tw7jg7ey5k 3 жыл бұрын
How lucky Шindows users must be, so they don't have to deal with any "dependencies", especially with portable programs
@hanro50 3 жыл бұрын
I mean....they have the same issues just with DLL files...and the fact that older software didn't understand that doing certain things like placing files into protected directories on a whim... wasn't a good idea.
@cakedon Жыл бұрын
Just last week I realized pacman is just short for *pac*kage *man*ager.
@imzesok 2 жыл бұрын
erm.... why.... why would you find anything other than the version libraries you need? they're using the same repositories, right? that wouldn't make sense. unless . . . unless you didn't edit your pacman config files and it's pointing at the arch repos instead of
@s9209122222 3 жыл бұрын
Pacman is definitely not more human readable than other package managers, although I'm using it.
@amalirfan 3 жыл бұрын
pacman is better than apt. cuz of speed?, apt and debian feels original, same reason windows feels original for some people.
@ari_archer 3 жыл бұрын
bedrock linux resolves that kind of dependency hell
@clerickx1642 2 жыл бұрын
Imagine installing gentoo without using emerge
@mitchelstewart9969 3 жыл бұрын
ill just stick with arch
@Skelterbane69 Жыл бұрын
Jokes on you, I'm in dependency hell all the time cus of slackware
@GIGACHAD-qh1yi 3 жыл бұрын
The easiest way to get pacman is by installing manjaro or arch
@JR4996 3 жыл бұрын
Idk man but manjaro is making the jump from windows to linux more easy than using ubuntu or linux mint and in the process i can learn 1 or 2 things daily about linux
@hanro50 3 жыл бұрын
Mhe...I prefer apt
@Chris-rm1pn 3 жыл бұрын
Not that package manager :p (they meant yay)
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