***** Meanwhile your disbelieving more, huh? If only you got out of your religiosity and see that you're no different than our believing fellow human.

***** That's what you believe.

***** Let me sugar coat it this way since you're that far-----> (me having beliefs=no)

***** define some terms if you can in that "God (what's you think)" "is (can God be is? or is God is?)" "imaginary (what's, hence you knew all existence to claim that)"

***** So Imaginary IS god*

***** _"If you do not believe in God, you deny that there is such a place as heaven or hell."_ Not necessarily. You could have a reality in which morality operated like a law of nature and where certain types of behavior led to being eternally tortured in a lake of fire. Granted, this is not a normal naturalistic view, but that's only because belief in it is as irrational as theism due to lack of evidence in the reality we live in. This did not have to be the case - a naturalistic hell could be a lake of fire easily visible to everyone. _"Which also means that the cruelty and evil minded people get away with there sins."_ Well, "sins" don't exist under naturalism at all. What you are trying to say is that they get away with immoral behaviors, but this is clearly not necessarily the case. Humans are the only punishers of such behavior that we observe - via the various forms of punishment we enforce, both what's encoded in law and things we regard as reasonable self defense. There are also other costs to bad behavior, in that other people will hate you, avoid you or see you as a threat worthy of attack instead of relating to you in positive ways. You would also probably be the kind of person you like and have a lot of internal self loathing due to your behavior. _"There would absolutely be no justice, The concept of it has been an illusion"_ No, it would just not be possible to enforce at all times. What you're saying here really is something like "If God don't exist, then nobody are ever put in jail or given fines". Clearly this is false. Justice under naturalism has value because of the demonstrable positive effects of assigning costs to certain types of undesirable behavior and that's why it exists - and is the only form of justice that anyone ever observes. I suppose I could also point out that most people don't actually accept that it's "justice" to torture people forever for the "crime" of not accepting Jesus as their Lord and savior.(Or for any other finite crime) _"I personally could not live without Hope"_ What you mean here is probably that you think you can't live without a belief that you will never die. I'm not sure how to respond to that beyond simply stating that we have a 100% death rate among humans. _"or without the meaning of my life."_ Well, meaning of life is inherently subjective and it's easy to prove. just imagine that God exists and has assigned some "objective purpose" to your life that is the antithesis to everything you want to do. Say, being eaten by ants to sustain their existence or something equally absurd. You will then discover that purpose doesn't depend on god, but on your desires, needs, interests etc. It might just happen to be the case that they are centered around a religion at the moment - because you were indoctrinated into it - but the moment you realize that it's false, what will happen is that your views of meaning will realign themselves with what you believe to be true about reality and you might start caring more about what to do with your finite life than whether you can survive your own death. _"Striving to be reconciled with God and have Eternal life (If I'm god enough)."_ Right. That's a purpose that's completely subjective because you right now believe that this is an attainable goal. The moment that belief vanishes, you would get other goals. _"I also can not understand how an atheist can life his life if he believes that one day it would all end. Done and nothing to strive for..."_ I just view that as a bizarre statement. What about life ending in X years makes it uninteresting to me what I do today? Do friends and family cease to be important because of that? Of course not. Many people also identify with processes, like the development of higher civilization, improve human knowledge etc and are perfectly content with a meaning in which they are simply part of such a process and improving the lives of everyone, even if just a little bit. The fact that it's going to end someday doesn't matter to this. It's like saying that it's meaningless to eat a good meal, because it's going to end someday. Pointless to read a book, because there's an end to it. Movies end as well. Listening to a sermon? Pointless - it's finite. Clearly you engage in such things because of their temporal and subjective value to you - not because they're eternal.

Gnomefro First of all Thank you for the time you took to comment back on me. The first statement about the existense of Hell or heaven would suggest that you still need faith to believe in them. Since no one has ever seen a lake of fire. And if such a place exists than someone clearly has to be the ruler or creater of it. Because things do not happen by itself. And science will back this theorie. I can understand by reading your comment that you do not believe in a concept as 'sins'. you express by telling about how people are the ones who punish others, but what happens to people like Hitler. he killed soo many people and in the end he commited suicide. If we'd say that we are the ones giving judgement than what happend to him. where is the so called justice of millions of people. The true meaning of having faith is to know that we have a savior. Someone who you can depend on. Someone who cares soo deeply about you that he sacrifaced his own son, so that you, me could have eternal life. To life in Happiness and in the comfort of the one that created you. Doesn't that give you more satisfaction then to believe that Life just ends some day. There are so many people in this world that suffer every day. Hunger, poverty, war, people who are being robbed from their freedom. Faith is so much more it gives hope and strenght. But I agree you should live your life to the fullist. but you can do that while believing. You should care, help, provide needs as much as you can. And about the rules that we as human beings have cerated. You know that most of them come from Biblical believes. Don't murder, Don't steal. Help each other etc. So we are not as clever as you think we are. To come up with a social system. In fact looking back in history you'll see how lost we have been and still are. Slavery, Child workers etc. Of course I believe that we will die someday. No doubt about that. But what have you to look forward to? Thats what I meant by Hope. And I could easilly ask you the same question, what if you are wrong and there is (I know there is) a God. There is so many proof that the evolution theory is not based on sience. What if you are missing the chance to meet your creator. I Hope you have friends and familie that are close to you, but what about people who have none. People come and go but God lasts forever. About Goals in your life. you can have many of them.in fact that's good because you strive to be a better you. you want to be a independent being and explore yourself as much as you can. At least I hope you do. If so I can only congrate you by having these goals. But in the longer run what then. Your knowledge, talents will vanish Im not saying that because of this you shoudnt do anything or lay back. But eventually you'll die (like everyone). Is it not a shame that you won't be able to thanx God who has created you for the things in your life? I am a student myself and I strive to be a social worker. I love reading books and I try to be a strong individual. Just as most people I enjoy a movie or a song. But the satisfaction I get from these things (materialism) is short. it won't last forever. But my faith does. I hope you are not offended by these words because I know religion is a sensitive subject. I can only hope that you'll give it a chance and experience this undiscribble feeling. And also English is not my native language I hope you won't mind the grammer mistakes...!

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The error is that, there's still quite a lot of morons believing that god exists.

Valdas Vaigauskas Kim Jong, Mussolini, Mao Zedong, Pol Pot, and Stalin... what do they have in common? An atheistic worldview! ..but of course, a belief in a creator is soooooo much worse, LOL. You sir are a troll and a bigot. I have colleagues and friends who are atheists and you are giving atheism a bad name; please think first and then post from now on. Thanks

If it exists, it has an opposite, Right - left...up - down...on - off...square - circle. You can't have one without the other. Negative - Positive...light - dark. Life - death. .Its a proven scientific fact. And a law of creation All life depends on it. .Male - Female..Why would anyone be surprised, that evil exists, along with good .

Jaymes McKenzie I'm trolling Jungle Jargon​ in response of him trolling nearly every science post. Dictators you've mentioned, they had different religion - communism and they were gods themselves of the communism, so they don't really represent atheism.

Valdas Vaigauskas Exactly, why should we judge an entire group of people based off what a few people have done or said? My point is you should not be so quick to use the term 'moron' about an entire group of people; it makes you sound like a bigot. It fine to debate on here but why do grown men need to resort to name calling. If you really believe all theists are morons than is you that is the true moron... trust me there are fools on both sides of the fence. No hard feelings, I just wanted to let you know how your words might come off to others.

Of course, if you believe in god, it is without a doubt arbitrary. However, God's decree is absolute in righteousness and justice. The God isn't just any god.

gods are a dime a dozen. And what they decree is more a reflection of the society which spawned them.

Animuldok list have?

wadikz yang Here's a good start... ancienthistory.about.com/library/bl/bl_myth_gods_index.htm

Animuldok i think it depends on the nature of GOD,and second how can we extrapolate moral paradigm on naturalism?

ExtantFrodo2 Stupider???? Really? How about grammer, how about that.

@@Yaya-mg8sb Ok, Grammatically he wasn''t correct, but you didn't answer his question, I'll happily rephrase it. Q:What is more stupid than a talking snake fairy tale? A: People who believe a talking snake fairy tale.

If it was a fairy tale, then it would be stupid - agreed. Who is stupid if it's not a fairy tale?

I also think many or most followers of the biblical religions don't take this story literally, but as a myth.

Tony moron . What kind of education did you ever have? There are many atheists videos that talk to your type. Don't insult other audiences.

But the question is, how can we say that God is good if He created a world where nature is so dangerous?