Kasif...bhai...a very unfortunate accident on the occasion of eid.

We are with u brother in these painful times. Love from India.

Thanks Capt, for a professional and comprehensive analysis. Also for good wishes and Prayers. Can you please explain why the undercarriage warning is blowing in their last call asking clearance to land? That's not matching with rest of the plot. Your comments Please! Thanks

@@arijit_majumdar16 ji bhai it has saddened the whole world, special thanks to the people of India who extended so much love n care, love you all bhai

@@simisk3210 Thanks for all the love n care stay blessed 🙏

Thanks

Thanks God bless you, I am from Pakistan

Thanx a lot

U r so very sweet

Love from Karachi, Pakistan.

Thank you

Sir we are are human beings first and we are linked. we feel the pain............................. Indian, Muslim, Pakistani, Hindu, English Sikh, Parsi........ are all later.. You are a great soul!

halal animals themselves want to get slaughter because it is so free of pain when done with 'islamic' guidelines, main artery gets cut in the neck where blood carrying oxygen to the brain expels out and then the brain quickly becomes numb and it could no longer feel pain. I know this because I've seen it in their eyes. non-islamic way of doing it is ruthless.

@@omairbinenam6337 if it's not ruthless... can i do halal with you?

@Global Revolution sahi kaha, marne do kathmullo ko

​@@dakshkkk1718 do you really want to do it?

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Faisal Imtiaz hope the families sue the airlines. Then maybe some discipline will come in. What an unnecessary tragedy.

a reckless pilot because of whom 100 other people died. Such pilots who think highly of themselves, who throw out all the SOPs and believe they can maneuver the aircraft at their will are just a disgrace to the pilot community. Even the ATC should be held responsible for allowing the aircraft to land when he knew that profile is too steep... but of course, Pakistan jaise chuttad cuntry mein sab chalta hai bhai......90 degree angle se bhi land karwate hain yeh log Allah se.....Gandu country

Exactly ,co-pilot wud not hv objected him, bcz of this senior junior thing.... The overconfidence of one person n fear (being junior) of co- pilot .... Took life of so many innocents. Even pepl sitting at ATC sud not allow high speed descend of aircraft. Pilots sometimes try to become stunt hero forgetting abt their responsibility of life of pepl they are carrying .

Just like the killing of the Black man in America by a knee to the neck. Younger cops unwilling to stop the "superior" from what he was doing. All 4 will see jail time.

@@michaelschmitt3421 what a good example!

Ameen

Kashif Azam. A paid Pilot has only ONE huge responsibility and that is of training very hard and learning HOW TO SAVE HIS OWN LIFE and never to orphan his aircraft, as Miltary pilots often do with their ejector seats, while their burning aircraft falls and kills people on the ground. In this case of the PIA crash, while the aircraft was so extra high and then while crashing, the pilot did not say to himself. " I am responsible for the passengers, for the cargo, for the expensive aircraft, and for the people living below me!" What he did was to try and save HIS OWN LIFE with what he accumulated in his mental and physical capacity and it looks that he did not care less to crash and kill his passengers or any people on the ground did he? The pilot was somewhat too proud and cocky about his own abilities. Please do not be fooled by pilots telling you that they are responsible for passengers, for cargo, for the expensive aircraft, and for people on the ground, above whom they normally fly without their permission! A pilot is just as responsible for SAVING HIS OWN LIFE when he is flying an empty private, military, and commercial plane. Pilots preach their social responsibility and wear their gold-braided uniforms and high peaked hats as an EMOTIONAL, social, tribal, ritual, to try and increase and maximize their salary and try to project a higher aura and social value than they really carry. A paid pilot is only RESPONSIBLE TO SAVE HIS OWN LIFE, as with that philosophy everyone gains out of that simple tacit psychological trick. The pilot's salary is a negotiated amount contracted and bargained for the PILOT'S OWN LIFE and no more than that. Owners of PIA, Insurances, Mathematicians, and Engineers all know that Pilots are merely 90 % consumable wares whether they fly commercially or military. During the war and during commercial flights the production rate of aircraft and insurance premiums clearly shows that a PILOT IS TREATED AS CONSUMABLE GOODS, so one needs to blind him with a high salary and a gold-braided uniform and medals on his dead chest and a high social conspicuous aura. The psychology of recruiting pilots is so tacit and so subtle that even Mothers and Wives are so proud that their sons/daughters and husbands are pilots, continuously risking their lives in commercial aircraft and flying Miltary aircraft to go and kill the sons and husbands of other wives and mothers while they selfishly want their own sons and husband to come back home to them. Statistics do show that 65% of aircraft incidents are to pilot's mistakes who are not as sharp as they think they are! That is a normal human characteristic where everything that he is a little taller than he is with some professions thinking that they are much taller than they really are. We have to live with that and fool people in taking risky professions as in the Miltary. The real responsibility exists with engineers and traffic controllers who see a wider picture than pilots do. The engineers look at aircraft merely as flying prosthetic aids for pilots, all born without natural wings. All aircraft are engineered PROSTHESES to help wingless pilots and passengers to enjoy their flying obsessions. The real continuous responsibility is with the engineer who builds the structure of the aircraft which is only a prosthetic aid wrapped around the pilots and passengers to help them fly. An engineer is responsible for every successful and every crashed flight that does not absorb the forces that kill the pilot, the passengers, and the people on the ground. The salary of a pilot, his gold-braided uniform, conditions of work, his peaked hat to make him look taller than he actually is, and his social pampering drug, is all a negotiated agreement, contract for VALUING THE PILOT'S OWN LIFE. Many times the pilot gains and does enjoy his salary and social status and sometimes the pilot die. It is all an agreed contract which the pilots are happy with. Any pilot can withdraw his contract at any time if he is not happy with those conditions. That is life. A pilot is no more than a Matador or a Cowboy choosing to play a game in the ring with a wild bull, most of the times the Matador wins, sometimes the bull wins. It is no use being emotional about it..........That is a pilot's, a matador's, a cowboy's life choice, no one forces them to do it, but they like the excitement and if they do not agree with that contract of service........................they all can take any other job which is just as satisfying. All this is not written in a pilot's contract............. to fool him into taking the job both in the commercial and military flying arena. That is life! Many of us are fools and we do not know it. Being spectacular and looking tall in society has its benefits and its consequences and pilots, matadors, and cowboys are ready to live with that, it is their own choice and they know the conditions of service. kzfaq.info/get/bejne/nr1lo5N82qqagIE.html kzfaq.info/get/bejne/brygbLFpsc6xd6c.html kzfaq.info/get/bejne/rKuCYJOlqZ6tp40.html

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Aameen.

Aameen

I'm also agreee with this humbal flying hero ,, salute hai inko mera

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@Ronald Joseph tu bhi chaatne aya hai kya

Ronald Joseph you have no version!

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Yes

True

Aameen

Global Revolution دنیا میں آج تک جو ہزاروں حادثے ہوچکے ہیں ان میں کتنے روزے کی وجہ سے ہوے تھے. خدا کا خوف کریں.

Thank you

Thank you sir

God Bless The Departed Soul..May There Souls Rest in Peace..My Heart is Really Crying..Love from India & God Bless Strength to the Families who have Lost there Loved Ones..

God Bless all those people who lost their lives. Very unfortunate accident. The ATC tried to inform the pilot on a couple of occasions. It seems evident that the pilot was doing something wrong. Very unfortunate.

@Apophis Rock apart from the explanation of why the landing gears were not deployed when the plane touched down everything else is on point..

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Captain; I myself am a Naval Aviator and catapulting 18s for more than a decade, I believe your analysis is a reflection of what might’ve actually happened; keeping in view the evidence available so far. You’re right on the mark; unmanageable approach, and untimely retraction of landing gear. This should be a lesson for the CAA, not to let these birds land if they are not following the SoPs.

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The aircraft would enter alpha floor protection and try to maintain altitude..hence the attitude

Probably the landing gear was selected down but did not deploy due to the high speed. Then as they started the go around and the engines started to fail the speed dropped below VLO and so at the worst possible time the gear dropped and added a huge amount of drag.

Thank you

Can u say this sampathy for who killed in terrorist ,Jehadi attack . Non muslim people in pakistan, bangladesh, afganistan.

Salam and Kolkata, India. Eid Mubarak to you bro and my heart goes to the sufferers and kya beet rahi hogi unlogo pe jo Eid ke waqt laut rahe the. Really we in India can feel it. May Allah give sabr to the families and we are with you bro.

Same to you bro

What do you mean by very brief? I thought it was very concise. What else do you want him to do? Dram pictures for you? Smh😐

Thank you

THE aircraft can be landed on the belly when the speed and Altitude is properly managed, Its not an easy thing engines may catch fire.

Hi Rohan, This is not a scenario of belly land. The belly along with engines touched/sctrached accidently when engines were on TOGA. Reasons not known yet. Here is my Simulation of Final flight path. 👇 kzfaq.info/get/bejne/g9J4ftWHutqmaYE.html Regards,

Depends on the speed of the plane if u glide the plane then it would be more safer

Rohan Belly landing is done all the time if ground rescue team is ready and the pilot has emptied the fuel tank and is a skilled pilot.

Thanks Captain for the detailed analysis. It's clear now that it was not belly landing but accidentally scratching of the engines. Clearly, it appears to be fault of the pilots

You really have a soft heart Nancy may Allah bless you

@@TheShareekhan thanks this incident is haunting me all time for pilot courage

Please take care

@@Nancy-mv2mf don't worry we all are praying for the safety of everyone regardless of the boundaries as our hearts are one.

Yes until the flight is on the air, the LG should not have been retracted due to this error the engines scrapped the ground causing it to malfunction.

Once one of the engines hit,he should have tried to land,and not try touch and go.

Yes

Agreed 💯, landing gear was not on at the time of first landing. The alarm signals (tong tong) can be heard before first landing. I am asking captain to explain this.

A captain will not attempt landing without the three green landing lights. (Which indicate that the gears have fully extended and locked).

@@arnavkumar3060 They probably were overwhelmed with the task of getting it the plane down from that altitude. In the recordings, there is no communication that they were coming in for a belly landing.

kzfaq.info/get/bejne/pbt_oZl316q0p5s.html Above video should help.

@@arnavkumar3060 If they knew were landing without landing gear they would surely declare an emergency, which they didn't.

It's always chain events in this kind of situation

Landing gear neeche karne mein koyi issue nahin tha kya?

No

100 persent agree Thats the happen. Its to late for ever.

Even if there was issue with landing gear, pilots cannot ignore loud tcas warnings in the cockpit that tells you to go around anyways.

Complete pilot error. The plane was perfect

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Pleasure waiting for actual facts

Huh...ALLAH Pak decided to have a tea break when the unsuspecting people in the cabin really needed her help. Why is that the ALLAH never helps; people die a brutal death...and you guys keep asking for her help. Unbelievable!

@@fahadfaisal7855 apna Apna Imaan hai bhai, Is pay ham ap say koii Bahis nhi kar sktay...

@@fahadfaisal7855 This life is exam test not the final destination...... After death is the final life.... For good 👨‍👨‍👦 peoples have good life and for bad 👨‍👨‍👦 peoples have bad life after death..... No body can live forever and happy life in this world 🌏..... Our Creater made us for test in this world 🌏. He give us life and death but after death life is forever.... Hope u understand... We Muslims believe in this faith and this is the reality' but many people 👨‍👨‍👦 don't know 😑😑

@@fahadfaisal7855 lol .... because Allah, jesus, and any god cannot come to intervene human stupidity....

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The warning for the gear was over speed so it wouldn’t lower, not that they fo4got to lower....they were way way way too high on approach....NOT stabilised......idiots!

This cannot be heard as so far the CVR has not yet been recovered nor analyzed unless you are hearing it their the ATC recording ! 🤓🧐

dave denham Well at the end they have likely forgot to deal with it (the LG).

The FDR will reveal all the secrets ,

Yes

What's the use now !

The use is that this should not happen again

maut se darr lagna chahye her kissi ko, sensitivity hoti hai sab mai.. pak pilot ki awaz mein darr nah hona bhi aik tajub ki baat hai.. koi fakhar ki baat nahi.

@one world It's not about honoring nor shaming the deceased pilots, but in a lesson on proper procedure and CRM for the other pilots to avoid getting into the same situation.

@@freeslaveofallah7053 yes, that's surprising !

Thats the whole point. They were never on the Glide slope

They captured False ILS and they still continued continued on approach

Even though they did capture false ILS and ignored ATC instructions didn't they see the lights?

@@santriptaswain6578 and what sir is a false ILS. Plz elaborate.

The approach plate clearly tells you the height from TDP. Even if we presume that their nav equipment was malfunctioning, pilots are supposed to counter check, visibility good, dme working its simple maths

Because the plane was in the wrong profile the landing gears were not allowed by system

Was the gear down during the first attempt?

There Is Also Electronic SAFETY Feature In Airbus A320 If Speed Is Over 260 KNTS Landing Gear Will Never Open 👍

I think gear is working properly because in second attempt gear is down so there is no malfunctioning. No gear didn't down in first attempt because altitude and air speed both are high do to wich aircraft didn't allow to lower gear to protect aircraft.

@@meet2891 Pilot/first officer didnt deploy landing gear or landing gear didn't deploy because of overspeed. Because if speed is more than 260, landing gears don't deploy. They were coming from too high and too fast. Just before 1st touchdown, when captain says "Roger pakistan 8303" ,you can hear 3 ding ding ding alaram sounds which means landing gear not deployed. Immediately after that next conversation was about going around. So captain doomed the flight. Complete pilot error

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No, landing gear has to deploy unless there is a mechanical failure. I don't think there was a mechanical malfunction.

@@johnnyj2066 Airbus 320 manual - speed greater than 260 knots, landing gear won't deploy. A safety valve isolates the landing gear hydraulic lines from supply pressure when the aircraft speed is greater than 260 knots.

S208 Richard so why would a pilot continue to land knowing his landing gear is not down?

@@imana4838 Exactly! The pilot must have tried to deploy the landing gear at least at 1000m altitude. If warning sounds are heard about the failure to deploy landing gear, why would he continue to land? He could have initiated a go around immediately.

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Landing gear never showed up ! Litsen to the recording again and you will hear distress noise in backfround from cockpit

Yeah I was thinking about that why did takeoff after belly landing ?? I was thinking like that maybe they can save some people !!

@@viorelgherasim7599 may be already plane set for takeoff.

@@viorelgherasim7599 It was a panic response. They were coming in expecting to land on wheels. Remember, the pilots nowhere have mentioned they were going to do a belly landing, no fuel dumping, no request to prepare runway, etc.

@Apophis Rock Engaging landing gears increases drag. They would have flown some more distance, if it hadn't been lowered.

@Apophis Rock I am no expert but my 2nd scenario was based on the fact that just before the crash landing gears were down and the plane fell before reaching the runway. Had the landing gear been up it might have made it to the runway.

Yes and someone sitting in a drawing room knows the best. Lol

No you are both wrong, he said that "after" first attempted landing, after slamming the landing gear on first attempt it likely had damaged and had difficulty extending and then it worked. He had very short time after first attempt so he reported the anomaly. I have analyzed C17 landing gears, there are many ways you can cause anomalies.

@@technologyandinnovation4586 I've only heard partial ATC coms on this. At what stage did the pilot inform the ATC that he had a gear problem? I was not convinced the gear had been deployed at all. The marks on the runway suggest two incidents of engine pod strike. The high speed in the descent was above the max speed that the A320 will allow the gear to be deployed. Above 260kts you can pull the lever, but the computer will not initiate the hydraulics because at those speeds lowering the landing gear can cause damage. They were also still above speed crossing the threshold, which poses another problem, that instead of getting an automatic reminder about gear deployment at 750 AGL, the system will instead give a warning "too low Terrain" . It warns "too low, gear" depending on flap position and IAS being below 190kts. If the gear was down initially, and they selected to retract it, I don't think there was time for the gear doors to be closed before contacting the runway, and from what limited photos and video I've seen of the runway afterwards, there didn't seem to be part of the landing gear doors strewn about, just a set of scrape marks indicating more than one incident of pod strike and scrape down the runway.

The Pilots repeatedly said they are comfortable... where did you get this information from?

Yes, if their landing gears were compromised, then how come landing gears were down at the time of the crash. Check the crash video once again to confirm.

A PIA official has confirmed that the landing gear was neither fully nor partially deployed during the first landing attempt

Since captain estimated that landing was not possible just few feet above the ground, first officer by mistake pulled back landing gears with flaps. And thus resulted in belly landing which was not intended. See this video again m

If they had decided not to go around and land in first attempt anyhow, they could save more lives.

@@EternalVoice11 agreed

I thought landing gear was not deployed therefore that is why they struck the runway?

In the aircraft gear manual it's mention that if altitude and air speed is high then aircraft didn't allow to lower the gear to protect aircraft. In 1st attempt altitude is high and speed also so it didn't go down while in 2nd attempt gear was down so there is no malfunctioning. Gear was working perfectly it didn't deployed in first attempt because pilot didn't follow his landing procedure.

Yep they were macho, no doubt : (

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Aameen. Couldn't even imagine what they went through

Absolutely right...we r not in in any position to judge

They were not flying 1st time and with out training to freez they were experienced. Here they got too much comfortable overconfident and forgot the necessary.

KZfaq daily said precisely.... they are not new comers to freeze .. pilots have to understand instructions given by atc are not casual instructions. They can only help and know about flight situations.

Pilots are not like everyone else. They are highly trained to react with SOPs during an emergency and not to panic. The emergencies, according to this video, were all of their own making, even from the start.