Precision Rifle Load Development/ Part III: Powder, Primers, & Initial Charge Weight

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Panhandle Precision

Panhandle Precision

6 жыл бұрын

This is the third video in the Precision Rifle Load Development series, covering load development for my competition rifle chambered in 260 Remington. This video includes a recap of bullet seating depth, the importance of good record keeping, as well as magazine length restrictions.
The main focus of the video is picking the powder and primer I'll be using, and determining a starting point for my powder charge weight. The powder I'll be using in this rifle is Hogdon's H4350. I think it's the ideal powder for the 260 Remington, consistently providing the best velocity, precision, and temperature stability. The primer I'll be starting with is the CCI 250. A large rifle magnum primer, the CCI 250 has been giving me good results in every cartridge I use it in, from 243 Winchester to 338 Edge +P.
For more info on how to pick the initial seating depth, check out this article and video: panhandleprecision.com/measure...

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@3006USMC
@3006USMC 6 жыл бұрын
I love how he talks to us, I feel like im sitting right next to him learning this priceless info. Ive been reloading all my life and since subbing I have learn a lot more. Thanks for what you do Sam, dont ever stop.
@naterucker
@naterucker 4 жыл бұрын
Sam's videos are by far the best on KZfaq! I've been glued to these for about a month. Thanks for all your help and willingness to share your knowledge.
@stevekiemele995
@stevekiemele995 4 жыл бұрын
I’m “fixing to start” hand loading. You’re my mentor.
@nicokwapper
@nicokwapper 4 жыл бұрын
This series is by far the most helpfull for an absolute beginner like me. Thanks!
@JPsaysno
@JPsaysno 5 жыл бұрын
How can someone watch this video and not subscribe? I've watched this series multiple times
@johnoltrogge6333
@johnoltrogge6333 5 жыл бұрын
Sam, Great video. The older I get the more cautious I try to be with my reloading, so after seating the primer, I keep the mouth of the case down in the block until I take it out and turn it over for filling with powder. That way I know if its upright, it has powder, but I always do a visual anyway. Fifty great (safe) years of reloading this summer and still enjoy learning new techniques and increasing my distance at the range. Appreciate what you do!
@latorgator23
@latorgator23 4 жыл бұрын
John, I’m getting geared up to start reloading. I’ve thought through the process many times and after watching videos of the process, I decided that is the way I want to do it. Thank you for sharing.
@johnoltrogge6333
@johnoltrogge6333 4 жыл бұрын
@@latorgator23 Thanks for your comment. Have fun and be safe.
@qedsteve
@qedsteve 4 жыл бұрын
I like how you opened with KEEPING GOOD NOTES! I tell people working in my field and when I was roadracing motorcycles that the most important tool they have in their toolbox is their notebook. Really appreciate this series as I wait to receive my 6.5 PRC chambered rifle.
@chipsterb4946
@chipsterb4946 6 ай бұрын
This is an excellent series. I hand loaded for a fairly long time but stopped for about 10 years due to life. This guy covers every detail I remember, and I’m learning new things as well as reminding me of lots of details to help me as I get back into it. I consider the bullet manufacturer my #1 data source when starting load development for a new cartridge. If I want to buy their load manual or they have free data online, fantastic. Otherwise I call their tech support. I’ve always found very helpful techs who guide me on bullet choice for a given application, powder choices, etc. It’s hard to find the optimal velocity range for a given hunting bullet, but the guys at Barnes will tell you exactly what the minimum velocity for expansion is. That doesn’t matter if your targets always are steel or paper. It matters a LOT if you are hunting. I use a handheld priming tool for pistol cartridges. However, I got a Forster Co-Ax bench priming tool similar to that RCBS unit years ago when I started loading for an M1A with a floating firing pin. In any rifle with a floating firing pin, it’s very important to seat the primer a little bit *below* flush (.003” is my goal). The bench mounted priming tool gives me more leverage to ensure that happens. Like this gentleman, I check primer depth with a fingertip on every single case. Setting the jaws right to position the case in the tool can be fiddly with the Forster. Filling the tubes with primers is a PITA, but there are 2 advantages with the Forster tool over the RCBS. First, the case mouth is pointing sideways, not up toward your face. I’ve never lit off a primer at the bench, but I prefer not to have the case mouth pointed at me. Second, the primers load sideways in the feed tube, not stacked on top of each other. Maybe I’m worried about something that will never happen, but I have heard about cases where a tube of primers stacked one on top of the other lit off a whole tube full. My Hornady LNL progressive press came with a protective steel tube to place around the tube full of primers. Hornady wouldn’t do that if the risk was zero.
@MrBackcountry84
@MrBackcountry84 6 жыл бұрын
This is an excellent series, really enjoyed watching so far. Keep em coming...subscribed.
@troyroe6021
@troyroe6021 5 жыл бұрын
You are the man thanks for the help, I’ve been reloading for 34 years with great luck, you have helped me get back in the loading shed with excitement.
@emailuser3869
@emailuser3869 3 жыл бұрын
Sam, you're the man. Thank you so much for taking the time to make these excellent, informative videos.
@rmbettac
@rmbettac 6 жыл бұрын
Thanks for sharing this information so freely. I've reloaded some and am only now breaking into precision reloading, and you've been a great help. I look forward to your next video.
@a-a-ron8201
@a-a-ron8201 2 жыл бұрын
I have learned move from two of your videos that I have in 3 years of trying to figure out reloading. Thank you sir! Great videos!
@mattchilders3123
@mattchilders3123 4 жыл бұрын
I'm an old geezer (62) and I bought a 260 after watching his videos. I learned all my reloading by watching him and reading the berger reloading manual but mostly watching him.
@johnnyb2799
@johnnyb2799 4 жыл бұрын
I have to absolutely agree with Nick, your explanation of the steps is the clearest and easiest to follow of any I’ve seen. Thank you!
@shaverlocal
@shaverlocal 2 жыл бұрын
You are a great instructor my friend! I have been reloading four bottleneck cartridges for many years and your finer points are what some of us forget. Thanks for what you do!
@scottvrba6930
@scottvrba6930 6 жыл бұрын
Really learning a lot from your video's I have been reloading for a few decades now but just getting serious about accuracy. I can say in all honesty I have never thrown a double charge, or loaded a empty case. From very early on I had got in the habit of having the cases Primer up in the blocks until the case is charged. Believe this is a great method in preventing a disaster. Looking forward to more video's. Thank you.
@jamessutherland5107
@jamessutherland5107 Жыл бұрын
Another great video. Surprised he came around to bullet mfr load books last. The Lyman and Lee manuals I find especially helpful since they list so many styles and weights of bullets, and almost any powder that will work. Also got tired of double charging a case, so I put a bullet in upside down as soon as I pull the funnel.
@charleswilson577
@charleswilson577 7 ай бұрын
If I could only have one load manual it would be the lee manual. So much valuable information stuff you need and no bull crap that you don't care about. The best hands down and I own about all of them.
@noahbeasley755
@noahbeasley755 Жыл бұрын
Is there anyway you could make me a DVD of your reloading videos? I worry one day Y.T. may take them down. I go back on a regular basis and rewatch them over and over again. You do a great job of getting to the point and still making them informative. I'd be willing to pay and maybe other people would like them too. Thanks
@Verminterminator
@Verminterminator 6 жыл бұрын
I reload all the time and never tire of watching other peoples methods. Totally agree with you view on electronic dispenses - I have the Lite and it speeds everything up.....
@davidfarber7542
@davidfarber7542 3 жыл бұрын
I have been using the Lee volume powder measure since I started shooting rifle many years ago. But after watching your video I decided to purchase the charge Master lite. I just got it today and loaded 50 cases and man what a time saver! I double checked the weights on my other scale and only 2 of the 50 were 1/10 over. Thanks for the tip.
@radarhunter7478
@radarhunter7478 5 жыл бұрын
Great vid Sam, you come across very well, great information, from a 🇬🇧 fan.
@terrycostakis6284
@terrycostakis6284 6 жыл бұрын
This has been an excellent series, not only for precision load development but for any load development. I highly recommend it, especially for experienced reloaders just getting into load development. Good continuity of thought processes and you’re very articulate which makes it easy to follow. My procedures are almost identical to yours except for bullet seating. Do you always seat your bullet with a single pull and have you checked the concentricity of your loaded rounds? I recently picked up a concentricity tool and found that I was ending up with more runout that I felt comfortable with. As a result, I started seating bullets in partial steps. It’s easy to quickly develop a good feel for this so I start by just slightly seating the bullet then turning it approximately 90 degrees, then seating it a little deeper, turning another 90, seating it the rest of the way then turning it about 180 degrees and again fully seating. It sounds like a lot of extra effort but it quickly becomes automatic and now probably takes me only 3-4 seconds longer to seat each bullet. Runout dropped from .004-.008 to now .001-.004 with most rounds at the lower end. ES has dropped considerably and is much more consistent allowing me to consider a load to be optimal when the ES drops to 4 or under. At first I was skeptical about spending the extra time checking concentricity of every round that I load but I now feel that the results justify the process. I'll continue to look forward to all of your videos.
@billp1669
@billp1669 5 жыл бұрын
Thanks for sharing all your knowledge with us. Please keep the vids coming.
@Luckde10
@Luckde10 6 жыл бұрын
Relative to powder charge and variance, case capacity differences from brass manufacture can vary up to +/- 3 grains in larger cases and will impact calculated pressure. Nice video series
@ericwilliams2317
@ericwilliams2317 5 жыл бұрын
Just a note on the "Quickload" programme. I have been using it for a couple or so years now and found it to be pretty good. But, you need to take the predicted muzzle velocities with a small pinch of salt! I once did a load development on a Savage mod 12 LRP in 6.5 Creedmoor, double / triple checked that all the info I fed into the programme was right and found that the actual & predicted MV's to be quite a lot out. It was giving me a prediction of 2800 fps, but with a chrony I found I was actually getting a consistent 3100 fps & some pressure signs, SO BEWARE. Other than that, these vids that Sam does are really useful and easy to follow / understand, especially for rookie reloaders.
@jljr23
@jljr23 6 жыл бұрын
Great series. I'm about to start load development on a 260 remington as well. I've always just done 308. Will be trying your tips and recommendations. Thanks!
@duanelarson6005
@duanelarson6005 6 жыл бұрын
Loving all you do sir !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Just seen 4 8lber's of H4350 at Scheels all sports here in Eau Claire Wi. at 230.00 bucks.
@plumbum6558
@plumbum6558 6 жыл бұрын
Hey Sam like the the way you cut the bs out and tell it like you believe keep up the good work
@steveworkman989
@steveworkman989 3 жыл бұрын
These videos are great info. Thanks for your time in doing these videos
@PanhandlePrecision
@PanhandlePrecision 3 жыл бұрын
Glad you like them!
@walterpalmer2749
@walterpalmer2749 6 жыл бұрын
Thanks for these videos,Sam.
@PanhandlePrecision
@PanhandlePrecision 6 жыл бұрын
You're welcome!
@jimmyjamautrey
@jimmyjamautrey 4 жыл бұрын
thanks Sam, learned a lot in these last two video
@boober7270
@boober7270 6 жыл бұрын
Fiddley fart. I like like technical term lol. Good info on the difference between new and once fired brass. I think a lot of people would over look that miner detail.
@SavageVoyageur
@SavageVoyageur 2 жыл бұрын
Thank you for teaching us, I have really learned a lot from you.
@amiltomx
@amiltomx 3 жыл бұрын
Sam, just passing by to thank you for all this knowledge. You cut off all the bullshit and can be so clear about what you are talking about.
@tjarmand
@tjarmand 6 жыл бұрын
best reloading videos yet!!! thx!!!
@varmint223
@varmint223 5 жыл бұрын
Would be awesome to see how you load belted mags like your 300 win mag
@DB-yb6jr
@DB-yb6jr 6 жыл бұрын
Good stuff, thanks for the great content.
@fergusonlandmanagementweld3696
@fergusonlandmanagementweld3696 3 жыл бұрын
I take an index card that has the powder info on it and slide it into the clear powder holding cylinder on my dispenser. It helps me make sure which powder I am using. New Sub here - like your stuff man!
@Iscariot18
@Iscariot18 2 жыл бұрын
Use Gordon's Reloading tool as an alternative to Quickload. It's also free.
@BlueTJay
@BlueTJay Жыл бұрын
I keep all my records in a excell spread sheet for every caliber and bullet weight/type! Its the electronic age!
@juantovar4861
@juantovar4861 2 жыл бұрын
Awesome video.
@MrTjmk
@MrTjmk 5 жыл бұрын
Regarding primer seating; I've used the primer seater in my Forster Coaxial press for the longest time without thinking anything about it. Then I started loading for a new rifle and I was loading deliberately just tad below max powder charges. Even though I was below the maximum charge weight according to the load manual I was using, I was getting flattened primers. It kind of left me scratching my head cause flattened primers shouldn't be happening but, it was. I backed off my charge weight and when I checked for pressure signs again I was still getting what appeared to be flattened primers.. I thought, WTF! Long story short; I had both the primer seater on my Forester Coaxial press and a Lee hand held primer seater that I used back and forth. I figured one was just as good as the other and they basically were with respect to seating the primers but, the push rod on the Forester Coaxial primer seater had much more torque and a slightly larger diameter to it so all this time it was seating my primers so that they were flattened from the gitgo. I never noticed before because up until then I was loading my cartridges just far enough below max charge weight that I didn't have to check for high pressure signs. In order to get the accuracy I was looking for I generally never had to load to max charge weights. The Lee hand held primer seater had a slightly smaller diameter seating stem so the edges of my primers were still nice and round even when seated to maximum depth.. The primers seated with the Forester primer seater were seated to maximum depth too but the edges of the primers within the primer pockets were no longer rounded or curved. IF it weren't for the fact that there were no firing pin-strike divots on the primer faces, I'd swear it was a flattened primer due to over pressure loads. I use the Lee hand held now whenever I deliberately load at or near max charge weights.
@blueballz91
@blueballz91 6 жыл бұрын
After all that case prep and load development one thing I do is Weigh each bullet and only load the ones that weight the same . Consistency is the key from the same lot number call me picky but when I do all that case prep I want to know when I’m seating my final step it’s as close to perfect as I can get . I like your channel thanks for sharing your info .
@SitNSpinRecords
@SitNSpinRecords 6 жыл бұрын
blueballz91 have you tested those Vs. the culls and see if there is any noticeable difference?
@blueballz91
@blueballz91 6 жыл бұрын
Siris Mc ya I sure did this came about it 🖕D.BAG
@jeffyoung2089
@jeffyoung2089 6 жыл бұрын
Thanks!
@lancev7186
@lancev7186 6 жыл бұрын
Great video series and perfect timing. I’m in Coeur D Alene and just had my .308 Winchester Model 70 rifle rebarreled with a Broughton barrel at Kampfeld custom in Sandpoint. I had been reloading but never got much better than 1MOA. I was using old brass and just going to COAL. I have on order Lapua brass, Hornady measuring tool for seating depth, and a comparator set for .30 cal on order to follow you through your process. Have you ever heard or tried using a load development looking for flat spots in velocity vs charge weight and then loading around that point? For example, load ranges from 40 to 42 grains in 0.2 increments and just shoot those bullets chronographing each one. When you get to an area that the velocity doesn’t change much, load there. For example, if the charges at 40.2, 40.4, and 40.6 all have pretty close to the same velocity, then you would load at 40.4. The other questions I have is if you would think I need to glass bed the stock? I have the barrel free floated back to the action with .020” clearance all the way around. The gun is topped with a 3-12 power scope and I’m not sure if that is sufficient to get 0.5 MOA groups or if I should look at a higher power scope?
@PanhandlePrecision
@PanhandlePrecision 6 жыл бұрын
I haven't tried the velocity bracket method, but a lot of guys do that with great results. I would definitely bed the action on any build. Solid, stress-free bedding equals a consistent scope zero and maximum precision potential. I can shoot .5-MOA with my 2.5-10 NXS, but I prefer more magnification when trying to test a rifle's potential. If you can resolve 1/2" in the scope/stadia, you should be able to hold and shoot into it. Fine stadia lines and high-magnification make that easier.
@lancev7186
@lancev7186 6 жыл бұрын
Thanks for the response. I will try the bracket method another time and follow through your process here as exact as possible. I think I will invest in a high end scope for this rifle as well as having it bedded. Thanks for the help, I’m looking forward to the rest of the series.
@richarduk679
@richarduk679 4 жыл бұрын
Always worth mentioning that putting too little powder in a case can also be dangerous.
@buzzstryker6050
@buzzstryker6050 4 жыл бұрын
I review these over and over again, thanks a ton for doing them. I did not catch the make/ model of the multidie press in this video, can you please provide?
@michaelharris8541
@michaelharris8541 5 жыл бұрын
Sam, you are a true great instructor. I have learned so much about reloading from watching your video series. What is the model and manufacture of the rear bag you have under your rifle.
@PanhandlePrecision
@PanhandlePrecision 5 жыл бұрын
Michael Harris It’s a Giles bag, sold by The Wilderness. That one is a 4”x4”. I use a 4”x5” for shooting.
@shutthegate8232
@shutthegate8232 6 жыл бұрын
Thanks mate.
@douglasbattjes3991
@douglasbattjes3991 2 жыл бұрын
McDonals straw tube, fill me in. Great video and one Q your setting to start of fired case 0.020 off the lands correct, and work up to maybe .040 or to see what is working the best. Think you started at .015 not the .020
@trevorkolmatycki4042
@trevorkolmatycki4042 2 жыл бұрын
Hello Mr. Panhandle... Have you ever done a video on the topic of single based vs double based powders for precision rifle? That would be an interesting one!
@AblazeWorship
@AblazeWorship 4 жыл бұрын
When finding a reference seating depth using the fired case vs new brass can you measure find the general average amount of expansion for the brass once its fired?
@dmalcolm24
@dmalcolm24 5 жыл бұрын
Sam, I just re-watched this video. My compliments on the info presented. I also use a Redding T7 press, and have a seating question. At the bottom of the stroke, do you apply a lot of pressure, or just enough to bottom out? I get good results using just enough to bottom out.
@bambibromley8516
@bambibromley8516 6 жыл бұрын
copper creek cartridge co. makes the modified cartridge for 8 bux just send them the fired piece of brass.
@MCheekeOutdoors
@MCheekeOutdoors 4 жыл бұрын
So, start with bullet seating @ .015" off the lands with a new Hornady modified case gauge measurement ? Thanks again, great information videos.
@cavscout62
@cavscout62 3 жыл бұрын
You must have learned reloading from my Pop just like I did! We’re you invisible or are you my “unknown” Brother From Another Mother? About the only thing we do different is throwing charges as I still use a balance beam scale and manual trickler but that’s just because I won’t spend the $$$ to get electrified. Great Videos!
@Dkluch_
@Dkluch_ 5 жыл бұрын
Great series here! Will you be doing anything on the .338?
@kevinlowe7552
@kevinlowe7552 6 жыл бұрын
in the initial loading,new brass, you use an expanding mandrell to set neck tension on new brass, however, i assume when you resize the formerly new brass prior to the second firing, it will be using the neck bushings inside the FL die. do you think that matters much as far as changing your MV,,, i mean, it seems like it would only change from first to the second and then after that, second thru whatever amount of firings will all be the same neck tension. since other things happen as well in between 1 and 2, is this a big deal? since i have done the same thing with my new hornady brass (21st century expanding mandrel) will i be able to see any difference from the neck tension difference after using my redding dies? or is it all about measuring and making sure your neck bushings put it right where the expanding mandrel did? i guess whether you size it out or size it in, it is all about the measurement you end up with on your finished brass? do you see much difference in between your first load vs your second load MV/ES/SD wise, or is it not worth worrying about?
@robwebster2562
@robwebster2562 3 жыл бұрын
Notes are important. No matter how small the change, it's noted for later reference.
@dougsmith8779
@dougsmith8779 6 жыл бұрын
You have some great information on your page! I think this video series is going to be great for me. I just bought my first precision rifle and I'm just starting out with reloading and long range shooting. This is a bit off topic but could I ask what your normal break in procedure is for a new rifle/barrel? Thank you for all the info
@PanhandlePrecision
@PanhandlePrecision 6 жыл бұрын
That video is coming soon.
@barry7413
@barry7413 5 жыл бұрын
"Don't be afraid to try..." Good info right there. Some many times I hear, "Published data is the gospel, and you'll blow yourself up if you vary anything!" Horse Hockey. Published data is generic "one load fits all" data. Each rifle is an individual and has individual likings. It is a good "starting" point, no more, no less.
@michaelmuzzy8401
@michaelmuzzy8401 4 жыл бұрын
good example,270 ladder test using rl 22 at 56.5 got cratered primers,and book sais 58.7 is max thats why you you never know.at 56gr, 1/2 in moa 100 yrds using 150 interlocks sp.her just didn't like imr 4350 .
@lanceschul
@lanceschul 6 жыл бұрын
Sam do you ever employ the Newberry OCW method or the 10 shot velocity method? For those times when you don't have any historical load data and to try and find the flat or sweet spot in the barrel?
@Jeff_Seely
@Jeff_Seely 2 жыл бұрын
One thing I usually don't find a lot of info on is, 'what amount should I trim my neck back to after every firing'? Do I adhere to a predetermined length asscociated with my caliber of choice or do wait until the brass is fireformed to my chamber, bump the shoulder back ~0.002" and trim a fixed amount (say trim 0.020"), or bump the shoulder back ~0.002" and trim the neck to meet an overall case length, etc...? Maybe there is an indication on the appearance of my neck that indicates how much needs to be trimmed, after firing. I am sure, as with most things, the topic is subjective but I'd like to know what you do. Thanks, Sam!
@michaelvangundy226
@michaelvangundy226 2 жыл бұрын
Primers!!! Magnum, military spec, and bench rest all have thicker cups. All primers have different charges and will affect pressure more or less. The thicker cup will show less pressure. AR 15 are specified for mag primers. They have floating firing pin and the thick cup resists denting when the bolt is slammed forward. But don't just change using the same load. Pressure will increase but not show as much.
@MrTgrasshopper
@MrTgrasshopper 3 жыл бұрын
@panhandle precision. if I undersand when it come to developing you pick a powerder and try different butlet and seating deep and powder charge for that poweder type and if you want a experiment with other powerder you start over aigain? I'm trying to understand the what is the fastes way to develop a good round for a specific gun. I saw people that pick different random recepie with different bullet grain and just try what group best but this should like and allover the place methode.
@ronaldrainero5579
@ronaldrainero5579 5 жыл бұрын
260 guys are really benefiting from the 6.5 Creedmoor success lol
@joeditz48
@joeditz48 5 жыл бұрын
I'm new to reloading. What is ES? Also how do I measure neck tension and how do I know if I need more or less? So far my 7mm-08 has tightened up very nicely, about 2-3 inches at 300 yards!
@johndegidio325
@johndegidio325 6 жыл бұрын
I may have missed your comments on sizing the neck. I think you mentioned using a body die to bump the shoulder. I know the body die doesn’t touch the neck. Do you use a bushing die? If so, what amount of grip do you use? I have been using a redding competition bushing die and shoot for .002” on my 6.5 Creed. What’s your opinion? BTW, great video series.
@PanhandlePrecision
@PanhandlePrecision 6 жыл бұрын
I use FL bushing dies. Once all of this brass is fired, I'll probably start with a .292 bushing for .002" neck tension.
@blackshirtsrule4ever
@blackshirtsrule4ever 6 жыл бұрын
Sam, really enjoy your videos! Thanks for sharing the info! Quick question though (I apologize if it’s already been asked)-why do you think it’s such a big deal to use a fired case for measuring distance to the lands? I get that it’ll be a more snug fit for the chamber, but if you’re measuring from the base of the cartridge to where the gauge contacts the ogive (both at the lands and whatever distance off you’re setting up your die for) it shouldn’t matter. The only time it will is if you’re comparing where the bullet sits in the neck of a once fired case vs. a virgin case-or am I missing something?
@1984WillS
@1984WillS 4 жыл бұрын
Exactly. The chamber did not stretch.
@johnsykes706
@johnsykes706 2 жыл бұрын
The case volume is greater on the fired and two thou sized case. Therefore the initial seating has to be further forward to give the same case volume and subsequent pressure and velocity. Although, this is just my take on the theory as I'm new to this as well.
@buzzstryker6050
@buzzstryker6050 4 жыл бұрын
Also, can you expand on the mcdonald's straw trick? do I slip it over the chargemaster trickle tube?
@bubba192
@bubba192 4 жыл бұрын
Do you recommend forming 260 brass using. .308. Excellent video.
@jameswhaley2219
@jameswhaley2219 6 жыл бұрын
Gonna hit on it again but what made you switch to 250 primers? No Psi signs? My 308 is being rebarreled now to a .260 remington PacNor barrel 3 groove 1-8". Looking at loads you were suggesting for H4350 and they looked at near max or slightly over so I was curious. Thank you for your time Sir!
@gmostert329
@gmostert329 2 жыл бұрын
Hi Sam I'm from South Africa and must admit I watched all you vidoes over and over and must compliment you and awesome information sharing May I please ask a question? On all cases I check with OAL Gauge to check bullet and take it its gives me the BTO. My question sounds easy yet can be complicated if not used correctly If I used the Resizing Die and I got my Shoulder depth minus .020 - do I need to also do the OAL Gauge and bring bullet back aswell as this will then give me as .040 in total or do I understand it totally wrong?
@kevinlowe7552
@kevinlowe7552 6 жыл бұрын
Sam. Can you add stuff onto your videos here? In your article you mentioned using the flat piece of steel to true up your dies to your press ram to avoid run out. I guess I’m trying to picture how it’s done do you back off the locking nut and then push it up and then tighten up the nut? Do you do this on both the sizing die and the seating die? Do you do this with the shell holder in? How does this accomplished trueing? are you just counting on the flat surface of ram versus the flat surface of the bottom of the die being so perfect that their going to bring both things into perfect up-and-down alignment? How does it fix the side to side alignment? Perhaps I’m just overthinking this but if I understand the concept I can apply it to other processes. If I’ve never used my rock chucker before, should I check the first few loaded rounds to make sure they are not having a bunch of run out?
@PanhandlePrecision
@PanhandlePrecision 6 жыл бұрын
I only do this with sizing dies, and only when I have runout. If you have runout, you can't really do much with the press ram or shellholder, other than try a different one. I think it's mostly caused by the die/press thread interface anyway. The easiest way I've found to eliminate it is to create a temporary square shoulder between the shellholder and the bottom of the die, then lock it in place with the die's locknut. I adjust the die until I get the shoulder bump I want, finger-tightening the locknut every time I adjust it. When I like what I see, I check runout. If it's good, I run the next case up into the die, and with full pressure on the ram handle, tighten the locknut in place. If it's not good, I put a flat piece of steel between the shellholder and the bottom of the die, put pressure on the ram, then tighten the locknut. That creates what should be a flat, parallel shoulder that's square between the die and shellholder. Another option is to float the die with an o-ring between the locknut and press head. I've done that in the past with success, but I prefer a die that's rigid and locked in place. If you square it up like I described, you will need a wrench or pliers to loosen the die. Be sure you like the adjustment before locking it down. If you loosen the locknut set screw, you'll have to start over. If you check runout like I show in the video, it only works if you remove the expander like I do, or turn the necks to zero thickness variation. If you size with the expander, the variations will be presented on the outside of the neck, and will show up as case runout.
@timb2294
@timb2294 6 жыл бұрын
Thanks for explaining the bullet seating differences between a fired case and a new case. My cases are stretching 0.017” on the shoulder with my Christensen ELR 300 win mag. Is that a excessive?
@PanhandlePrecision
@PanhandlePrecision 6 жыл бұрын
I've seen that much stretch before. If the brass is decent, you won't have any problems as long as you only bump the shoulder .002" or so when you size.
@duanelarson6005
@duanelarson6005 6 жыл бұрын
I guess the only thing I'm wondering is ! ? do you crimp ? I use the Lee cllet factory crimp die in conjunction of using the consistent crimp torque arm tool from Titan Reloading where i typically use 25 ft lbs on my 308 loads etc. Anyway just wondering what you do and your take on crimping ? Thanks Lefty
@nicksabo2536
@nicksabo2536 6 жыл бұрын
got a prefered 243 powder?
@1shotbarbeque881
@1shotbarbeque881 6 жыл бұрын
As a new reloader what powder would you recommend starting with in a Remington 300 rum I like the Nosler 210 accubond
@PanhandlePrecision
@PanhandlePrecision 6 жыл бұрын
H1000.
@SniperCristian
@SniperCristian 6 жыл бұрын
why you choose to use a magnum primer on the 260 rem cartridge and not a normal large rifle primer?
@repairfreak
@repairfreak 3 жыл бұрын
Love the series, why in God’s name did RCBS make their powder measure sound so irritating? Thanks for all your videos, excellent information.
@MrSolidjones
@MrSolidjones 3 жыл бұрын
Off topic question, When reloading 556 I was told to always crimp, other sources claim to only crimp when you have a cannelure band on the bullet. Do you have input on this?
@toddb930
@toddb930 6 жыл бұрын
After your powder dispensor augers out a load, do you ever pick up the pan from the scale and then set it back on the scale to see if it reads the same?
@PanhandlePrecision
@PanhandlePrecision 6 жыл бұрын
Yes. I used to do it all the time. I've also charged cases, then poured the powder back into the pan a day or two later to see if it reads the same. It's been my experience that if you keep the scale at a relatively constant temp., the weight will be 100% repeatable. The other thing I've noticed with these scales, is that they don't respond well to weight sitting on them for long periods of time. I don't know why. I speculate that it has something to do with temp. For instance, if i leave 98.0 grains of powder sitting on it overnight, I might see 98.5 or 99.0 the next day. If I pour that powder into a case though, then zero out the pan on the scale, the powder will weigh 98.0 when I weigh it again. It took me a while to trust electronic scales, but I do.
@kylelehman5893
@kylelehman5893 6 жыл бұрын
Binge watching your videos, great work! 4350 for .260, what powder would u suggest for 243? I’ve used Varget but having imr4064 in my bench. Maybe u think something different. Thanks!
@PanhandlePrecision
@PanhandlePrecision 6 жыл бұрын
I don't have any first-hand info on 243, but I'd be inclined to try H4350 in it.
@matthewbryars4176
@matthewbryars4176 6 жыл бұрын
What would be the minimum bearing surface you would run? I have a factory 700 that has an really long throat.
@PanhandlePrecision
@PanhandlePrecision 6 жыл бұрын
I don't really have a set dimension that I stick to. The rule of thumb is to have a caliber's length of the bearing surface in the neck, but I've broken that rule with good results. If I were running a long throat without a magazine length restriction, I would try to keep the boattail of the bullet just forward of the neck/shoulder junction.
@Spindrift_Productions
@Spindrift_Productions 5 жыл бұрын
If primers come in different hardnesses (Example Federal = soft , CCI = Hard ) Wouldn't primer flattening be more obvious using soft Federal primers and thereby cause you to back-off your loads early? Any thoughts?
@madcow3007
@madcow3007 6 жыл бұрын
I understand what you are saying regarding the length difference between fired and new brass and the potential for the bullet to go into the lands because the length from the shoulder to the bullet ogive will be greater than on the case that you used to take your initial measurements. However, when you chamber a round, the base of the round should be in the bolt face, so the shoulder of the chambered round will not be touching the shoulder of the chamber and the bullet should be in the same place as it would be regardless of the case base to shoulder measurement, right?
@PanhandlePrecision
@PanhandlePrecision 6 жыл бұрын
No. If your bolt has a plunger-style ejector, the shoulder of the case will be pushed up against the shoulder of the chamber, new brass or not. If it isn't, you have a big head space problem.
@70bluesville
@70bluesville Жыл бұрын
Does/is the fired casing stretch on a straight walll round like a 350 Legend as crucial as in a tapered round? What should I look for that's different? Thank you
@2eyedjack433
@2eyedjack433 2 жыл бұрын
When you're seating the bullets do uou hold the handle to let it finish seating or are you just moving really slowly with the handle?
@davidwarnberg7655
@davidwarnberg7655 4 жыл бұрын
I used to do it that way, until I accidentally knocked the holder with the charged loads off the bench.. I now seat bullet right after charging.
@atr7174
@atr7174 4 жыл бұрын
What make/model turret press are you using?
@ddreuss
@ddreuss 2 жыл бұрын
In the last series you were talking about the Hornaty Ogive. What doesn’t make sense to me is the case that you use. The whole point of the Ogive is that the bullet hits the lands. So are you saying that the first thing that stops the round is the shoulder in the chamber?
@ddreuss
@ddreuss 2 жыл бұрын
I just answered my own question. Is the problem with learning. Sometimes need to shut your mouth and input the knowledge
@georgelza
@georgelza 2 жыл бұрын
... curious... ye the seating die seats the bullet relative to the neck of the case. ... you can of course record the overall length at this stage. As the brass stretch, ye the overall length would increase s the bullet is still seated relative to the neck... would it not be option/make sense to seat the?bullet deeper in the stretched brass... ie keep the oal the same ?
@sheds09
@sheds09 6 жыл бұрын
Sam what’s your thoughts on annealing after every firing?
@PanhandlePrecision
@PanhandlePrecision 6 жыл бұрын
If done correctly, it can't hurt anything. With a machine, it's fairly easy to consistently turn over big batches, so I've formed the habit of annealing after every firing. I don't think it's needed for most applications, but it's one less variable to consider.
@alexduke5402
@alexduke5402 3 жыл бұрын
I'm new here I'm waiting on my Savage 110 elite precision 338lm to get to the gun shop but I have 100 loaded hornady match 185 and 60 pieces of brass from a guy. I know I need to FL size the used brass but should I just neck size the brass I fire? Our just FL size all of it?
@ljstop1
@ljstop1 4 жыл бұрын
When your starting a new load, how far off of max load to you start with? Then 1/2” increments?
@pztgst
@pztgst 4 жыл бұрын
Depends on whether or not the max load is compressed. Compressed loads are SUPER unpredictable and can spike to dangerous levels fast. The closer to a compressed load I get, the finer the increments get. In general though, I usually back off a couple grains from max and then pick an increment. Plot velocity vs group size and see if i can find any trends that could identify where the barrel will have an accuracy node with that bullet and seating depth. Always keep in mind that when you change one thing, you change everything. So testing is important.
@nateboulter804
@nateboulter804 5 жыл бұрын
I have been looking at getting a turret press. Did you have to do any mods to yours to not get a bunch of run out? I notice a bunch of turret presses move when the ram is raised.
@PanhandlePrecision
@PanhandlePrecision 5 жыл бұрын
Nate Boulter I haven’t done anything to mine.
@ESoutdoors
@ESoutdoors 5 жыл бұрын
Would you have any idea what would cause my load development to get inaccurate I am shooting 7mm-Rem-Mag tikka t3 168g berger vld With H1000 68.0g And I was at .8-1 Moa in 200yds Or 5.5 moa in 800yds After a week not shooting I went to the range and I am 3 moa in 200yds
@bbterry44
@bbterry44 5 жыл бұрын
I have a Lyman digital scale and it varies + or - 1/10 is that enough to make much of a difference in es or groups
@alexmason1387
@alexmason1387 5 жыл бұрын
throw it away, my experience with a dps3 has been nothing but trash. try confirming weights with a seperate scale and you'll see what I'm talking about
@762gunr
@762gunr 6 жыл бұрын
What's your experience with the Redding comp seater having inconsistent seating depth with compressed loads? This is a rumor I have heard frequently on the forums.I have NOT noticed this issue with lightly compressed .308
@PanhandlePrecision
@PanhandlePrecision 6 жыл бұрын
I don't know if it's the die's fault or not. The only compressed load I run is in the 260 Terminator. The only die I have for it is a Redding Comp seater, so I can't eliminate it as the cause. I increased neck tension to .002" this time around, and have much better results with spot-on seating depth with the first pull.
@762gunr
@762gunr 6 жыл бұрын
Panhandle Precision Good point on the neck tension. I think some people may be running .0005-.001 tension which may allow significant pushback.
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