Was Mr. Poonja a spiritual teacher or was he a spiritual MASTER? 🤔 If you are uncertain of the distinction between the two, I shall be MORE than happy to enlighten you. 😇

🐟 11. FREE-WILL Vs DETERMINISM: Just as the autonomous beating of one's heart is governed by one's genes (such as the presence of a congenital heart condition), and the present-life conditioning of the heart (such as myocardial infarction as a consequence of the consumption of excessive fats and oils, or heart palpitations due to severe emotional distress), each and every thought and action is governed by our genes and environmental conditioning. If humans TRULY possessed freedom of will, then logically speaking, a person who adores cats and detests dogs, ought to be able to switch their preferences at any point in time, or even voluntarily pause the beating of their own heart. This teaching is possibly the most difficult concept for humans to accept, because we refuse to believe that we are not the author of our thoughts and actions. From the appearance of the pseudo-ego (one’s inaccurate conception of oneself) at the age of approximately two and a half, we have been constantly conditioned by our parents, teachers, and society, to believe that we are solely responsible for our thoughts and deeds. This deeply-ingrained belief is EXCRUCIATINGLY difficult to abandon, which is possibly the main reason why there are very few persons extant who are spiritually-enlightened, or at least liberated from the five manifestations of mental suffering explained elsewhere in “F.I.S.H”. The most common argument against this concept of “non-doership”, is that humans (unlike other animals) have the ability to CHOOSE what they can do, think or feel. First of all, many species of (higher) mammals also make choices. For instance, a cat can see two birds and choose which one to prey upon, or choose whether or not to play with a ball that is thrown its way, depending on its conditioning (e.g. its mood). That choices are made is indisputable, but those choices are dependent entirely upon one’s genes and conditioning. There is no third factor involved on the phenomenal plane. On the noumenal level, thoughts and deeds are in accordance with the preordained “Story of Life”. N.B. According to some geneticists, it is possible for genes to mutate. However, that phenomenon would be included under the "conditioning" aspect. The genes mutate according to whatever conditioning is imposed upon the human organism. It is simply impossible for a person to use sheer force of will to change their own genetic code. Essentially, “conditioning” includes everything that acts upon the person from conception. We did not choose which deoxyribonucleic acid our biological parents bequeathed to us, and the conditions to which we were exposed throughout our lives, yet we somehow believe that we are fully-autonomous beings, with the ability to feel, think and behave as we desire. The truth is, we cannot know for certain what even our next thought will be. Do we DECIDE to choose our thoughts and deeds? Not likely. Does an infant choose to learn how to walk or to begin speaking, or does it just happen automatically, according to nature? To claim that one is the ultimate creator of one’s thoughts and actions is tantamount to believing that one created one’s very BEING. If a computer program or artificially-intelligent robot considers itself to be the cause of its activity, it would seem absurd to the average person. Yet, that is precisely what virtually every person who has ever lived mistakenly believes of their own thoughts and deeds. The IMPRESSION that we have free-will can be considered a “Gift of Life” or “God’s Grace”, otherwise, we may be resentful of our lack of free-will, since, unlike other creatures, we humans have the intelligence to comprehend our own existence. When someone blames another person for his or her actions, it is akin to blaming the penultimate domino in a row of dominoes for doing what it did to fell the final domino, when in actual fact, the ultimate cause of the final domino falling was the INITIAL domino which fell. If anyone is to blame for anything, surely it is the Person who created everything. Who then, is that Supreme Creator? That thou art ("tat tvam asi", in Sanskrit). Read Chapter 08 for a succinct, yet accurate, explanation for this chain of causation, and Chapter 05 to understand the Primal Self. Therefore, EVERY action, including seemingly-heinous deeds, is ultimately in alignment with the predestined "Story of Life" (or, for those who are attached to a theistic viewpoint, "God's Perfect Will"), since nothing could have happened differently, given the circumstances. That does not mean that a person ought to deliberately perform criminal acts and use his lack of free-will to justify his actions. If, however, he does, in fact, blames his dastardly deeds on a lack of personal freedom, that blame too was destined, just as any consequences were destined. Unfortunately, very few crimes are punished in so-called "first-world" societies, which helps to explain why the "Westernized" nations are morally bankrupt. When did you last hear of an adulterous couple being put to death for their sin? Never, I would posit. That explains why this so-called “Wisdom Teaching” was traditionally reserved for students of high-calibre. It requires an unusually wise and intelligent person to understand that, despite everything being preordained, to blame one's lack of free-will for criminal actions and expecting NOT to be punished for them is unbeneficial to a peaceful society. Even today, with easy access to knowledge and information, few persons will come to hear this teaching, and fewer still will realize it, and integrate it into their daily lives. Obviously, that too is a consequence of destiny. Everything is permissible but not everything is BENEFICIAL. One can eat junk "food" but that is not going to benefit one’s physiology in any way (unless, of course, it enables one to temporarily survive a famine). We can murder our enemy, but we may not escape being punished by the local judicial system. Therefore, lack of free-will is not to be used as an excuse for immoral behaviour or for negligence of one’s societal duties. To assume that free-will suddenly and INEXPLICABLY appeared on this planet at the birth of the first Homo sapiens, is the height of presumption. This assumption alone is sufficient cause for the notion of free-will to be critically-questioned, what to speak of the wealth of evidence provided in the preceding paragraphs. One day, humanity will come to see the obvious truth of its lack of freedom of volition. “The Lord dwelleth in the hearts of all beings, causing all to behave as if seated on a machine, under His illusory spell.” Lord Śri Krishna, “Bhagavad-gītā”, 18:61. “To be, or not to be, that is the question.” ************* "All the world's a stage, and all the men and women merely players." William Shakespeare, English Playwright.

I hope all is predestined

@@SpiritualPsychotherapyServices you don't have free-will because your choices are coloured by your ego and mind to behave in certain way, not realising the reality. If you are not educated by anyone and anything, then you see reality as it is and make the right choice. that's what I understand from Sadhguru (Isha foundation).

@GHETTO Spiritualität, kindly repeat that in ENGLISH, Miss.☝️ Incidentally, Slave, are you VEGAN? 🌱

Big facts over summer the realization was made that people are just NPCs including this "I". Just mindlessly going along if the observation is constant enough the dots can easily be connected. But this is from the I and I believe that self realization is to no longer be a NPC. Meaning no longer having to act, respond, or bring upon others situations of suffering from separateness... The ultimate goal to gain free will to longer have to hurt others or thy self. In any way conceive able

A laugh a day keeps the mind away (Papaji). When you don't think laughter happens spontaneously.

@@HWLPoonjaPapaji yeah but thats not the same laughter. This laugh is to avoid. Many times when papaji speaks he speaks in a coded language. The subconsciousness which knows its past life's and also future life's understands the coded message of the master. Maybe this is for a few people more but to avoid it they laugh....they cling to the world. They know once understood there is no way anymore to identify with body mind. People say they want freedom but nothing stops them. They are free. In fact everybody holds on to his sensual life. His roles. His individuality. No one wants to give them up. People think of a better I... An I which is free and so on. But the I itself is synonymous with bondage. I means bondage. There can't be no I which is free. No one wants to give up... Rather keeping individuality and sitting at masters feet and being benefitted from shakti also to fulfill desires. No desire is freedom... People have many desires even some where they are not aware of. That's why baktı surrender is the fastest way to realize. Yoga opens new doors you see many things become possible now.. Old desires become alive again.. Now your path becomes longer you postpone with yoga. Best is surrender at gurus feet. Listens quietly to his coded messages.

Sings: “It ain’t necessarily so...” 🎤

Was Mr. Poonja a spiritual teacher or was he a spiritual MASTER? 🤔 If you are uncertain of the distinction between the two, I shall be MORE than happy to enlighten you. 😇

Dude he is saying there is decision now we have to make. And then he said no decision we have...

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Good Girl! 👌 Incidentally, Slave, are you VEGAN? 🌱

Hi Mansur Brother, Assalamualaikum , how are you doing , I am very happy to see you in this page ❤️.

@@mdimran.hossen again thank you so much I have nothing to say only grateful

@@mansuralimirani4186 Thanks, Brother, which country do you belong to.

@@mdimran.hossen Sindh (pakistan)

@@mansuralimirani4186 papas birthplace

Hi

@@antoinemasson166 hello

Namaste Papaji

In your own words, define “ENLIGHTENMENT”. ☝️🤔☝️

Good Girl! 👌 Incidentally, Slave, are you VEGAN? 🌱

I was thinking the same, these people are laughing lile crazy and idiots, interrupted each word of papaji

Like papaji said when He ask is there choice now. He said yes. Desire of the now. You make the desire of the now.

Desire of the now is your choice.

@@fuckinghero4771, are you ABSOLUTELY certain of that?

@@SpiritualPsychotherapyServices yes absolutely.

@@fuckinghero4771 in that case, it would prove FUTILE for me to try to convince you otherwise. 😛 If it is true that there are none so blind as those who don’t WANT to see, and none so deaf as those who don’t WANT to hear, then surely, there are none so ignorant as those who don’t WANT to learn the truth.🤫

The cycle will keep on repeating unless you found your true "I" that's the only freedom you have

I guess the more you introvert your mind the less Karma you create...good or bad. Identification with actions creates karma

And the being in "Now" is what I refer to...you can only truly be in the Now by being competent thoughtless. To your credit I did bring into play what Papaji's guru Ramana Maharshi used to say: "Whatever is destined to happen will happen regardless of what you do. Whatever is destined to not happen will not happen regardless of what you do. THE BEST COURSE IS TO REMAIN SILENT" His guru said Silent and he says Now which essentially are the same imo.

@Michael Kean Let me try to answer you. Let’s say you’re watching a movie, but with a VR headset, since it is VR you forget that you are watching a movie and identify with the protagonist. In this movie everything happens as decided by the director, everyone is simply following the predetermined script, no one has a choice. Nevertheless, your identification with what is happening in the movie creates a thought form, the so called “doer” which takes the responsibility and suffers from it. This thought form acquires karma depending on the action it performs, even tho the actions are simply happening spontaneously. Then in the movie the protagonist meets a Buddha that tells him, “keep quiet, don’t identify, find your real self”. And this is how you destroy the karma that you accumulated despite the fact that everything was predetermined.

@Michael Kean Actually both the gurus you mentioned, Jesus and Ramana said the same thing. Jesus said “Not a single hair falls from your head if it is not God will” and Ramana once took a fan and while he was fanning himself said “Even me taking this fan and fanning myself is predetermined.” This is true surrender, surrender to your destiny without bitterness. If you speak about choosing between good and bad actions you’re identifying as an actor, inquire “who is acting?” Now bear in mind, this is not something you want to discuss with your friends and family, this knowledge comes by grace after much hardships. And to teach something like this is terrible, no one should say there is no free will, this is something you must discover for your self. Find out who you really are and you will understand everything, this is the real teaching.

Putting in no effort would be a facet of free will which you don’t have, so you can’t put in no effort unless you were predetermined to.

@@LoveJungle420 niceeee.. thanks!

As far as I understand, the first statement from papaji makes it clear that the present moment does not belong to any choice 🙂

If at all there's a choice in this now then it is the choice of the now .. That means , there's isn't out choice ❤️

@@xavierdcosta5355 what that means "the present moment does not belong to any choice? I feel it is absurd statement.

@@fuckinghero4771 its the will of now what choice you make.but you think tht you are making that choice...

@@shubhisharma4261 NO