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God help us if Nintendo ever releases Mother 3 outside of Japan.

I’m offended that our culture has become offended.

Paper Mario, Scissor Mario, Rock Mario... To each their own.

I think this is why people loved Jack Horner so much in Puss in Boots 2. The guy was allowed to be as fucking evil as it gets and it was a BLAST.

Let bad guys be bad guys again.

It's never gonna end is it

I'm not going to rage over a few sentences. But glad some are

Goomba flirting = Literally Hitler Knobbing a bear = Stunning and brave

Yeah sexuality and gender identity is a bit complicated in Japan. I speak fluent Japanese and I lived in Japan for a long time, so I can probably provide a little bit of insight here. To begin with, the Japanese language doesn't use gender pronouns quite as much as we do in English. They exist but people don't often say "Ms. Yamada is my friend. She is over there." You would refer to the person by name, or omit the subject of the sentence altogether if the context is already understood. It would be 山田さんは友達です。あそこにいます (Yamada-san is [my] friend. Over there.) in normal Japanese. Note that -san is a gender-neutral honorific. Gendered pronouns do exist and are used, but definitely not as much as in English. So, many people, when they don't know how to identify your gender, will simply not use any gendered language at all and always refer to you by name. I experienced this a lot personally in Japan as a trans woman. This is a very important factoid that we'll get into later. Also, the concept of crossdressing is a lot more common at least among entertainers and has been for centuries, so it's a bit more acceptable in media, which is part of why it tends to come up a lot in anime and video games, even those targeted at children. For example, traditionally, only men were allowed to perform on stage plays (Noh), despite the stories depicted usually having a romantic element in them. There's also Harajuku fashion, visual kei, and other fashion styles where people who identify as male might be wearing what would normally be seen as feminine attire. It should be noted though that crossdressing as a normal person who isn't an entertainer, fashionista, or doing it for some kind of show or event is often seen as a bit of a taboo. It's assumed that if you're crossdressing just as a normal part of your lifestyle that you're gay, which is also itself seen as a taboo (though that has been slowly changing over the generations thanks to LGBT+ movements). Particularly effeminate or pretty boys are often encouraged to crossdress at least for events (including, but not limited to, otokonoko). For example, at least a few all-boys schools actually have annual beauty pageants or contests, where some male students are dolled up with pretty dresses, wigs and makeup. People wanting to be thought of as the opposite gender has also been a thing for a long time, but it feels different from what the rest of the world would consider "transgender." In many cases it's seen as a phase or a cute or funny thing that people do without taking it too seriously. Like an athletic girl might want be referred to as handsome instead of pretty, and otokonoko might want to be referred to as a sister by his siblings, despite not completely wanting to be thought of as female. You can refer to a cute femboy as "-chan" and it isn't necessarily gendered, but you're acknowledging their cuteness. The -chan honorific is often used for children or cute things, including pets and even inanimate objects, and often in context is used for girls, so much that many people who aren't fluent in the language but watch a lot of anime think it's used exclusively for girls. All of that becomes at least slightly easier to understand and maybe only makes sense because of how the language works. So somebody could be crossdressing and you might not be sure what gender they identify as, but you can get away with it naturally in Japanese because of not having a need to use gendered language at all. From my own experience, it feels like the concepts of gender identity and transgender-specific ideas are still not very well understood or even considered in Japan. So it's still very complicated, and often very difficult to faithfully translate into English or other languages yet.

I would love to know your fact checking methods or tools or even a course

The biggest Mario debate: Marry-oh or Mar-i-oh?

I don't think we're supposed to sympathize with the villains anyway LOL and besides that I think that porting them over one-for-one yeah the dialogue is going to have some parts that are not for everyone but I think that it's important to gain preservation. When it comes to saving people's feelings over preserving a game the way it was I choose the latter

I feel like the Park Place article has a bit of a contradiction. If Vivian is a femboy or okotonoko, and was fully accepting of her male identity, then why would she refer to the trio as sisters and then be hurt by Beldam referring to her as a man?

I miss when a game was a game, and it was picked apart for being a bad game or praised for being a great one. Now we dissect everything to appeal to a social agenda that makes sure no one is offended….its a game let it be a game

7:28 ok they didn't NEED to do all that

The ending of this video would have been perfect to segue into a "Ground News" ad read.

Anytime i hear the name Vyvyan. I imagine RIK screaming it.

U know, in the original version of Final Fantasy 7, the character Aerith’s name was mis-translated to Aeris, and that’s the game I played. Some players prefer “Aerith,” because it was as otiginally intended, but I associate “Aeris” as the better game. Whatever the reason, we can have differences of opinion on it and neither of us are wrong. The game creators can change and update stuff, and we can decide if we like it or not. Anyone trying to cause outrage about stuff like this doesn’t have their priorities straight, and they want to profit from easily influenced suckers. Don’t be a sucker.

I guess that's the difference between remake and remaster. Changes are expected. Both, however, should be playable and not lost to time

Quoting Ben Affleck in Jay and Silent Bob Strike Back, " These are fictional characters, fictional characters. Am I getting through to you at all?"

Lmfao removing "tubby" is crazy 😭 thats just a childish insult who tf they think theyre gonna offend. What pointless censorship. Tbh im more concerned if the localization is closer to the Japanese than anything

Vivian's whole thing is actually rather confusing. Tattle and Catch Cards use Otokonoko, but Vivian, herself, says she's a girl..so I feel more like this is a case of 2000s Era Japan being confused and thinking of them as the same thing. Even now Gender Identity is far from well understood in Japan. As such, I feel like this, while not authentic to the OG version, is more of a case of it being done through a modern understanding. I do wish they kept the Goomba catcalling and transphobic comments from the other Shadow Sirens. I feel they would have been more impactful and character building

Kotoku being misleading/lying!? Who would've guessed lmao

Problem with the framing of this discussion. Other localization of the original version had vastly different ways of interpreting Vivian. The Spanish version said that "Vivian is a boy that looks like a girl" (Which is NOT the same as cross dressing.) German version doesn't say anything about it but refers to Vivian with feminine pronouns just like the original English version. However The original Italian version goes all out. It's description read as: "Ex membro del Trisdombra. Originariamente era un uomo, ma ora è donna ed è fiera di esserlo." Which translates to ... sit yourself down for this one ... "An ex-member of the Shadow Trio. She used to be a man, but now she's a woman and proud of it!"

Great explanation on this controversy, really shows both sides of the argument. I think Vivian is a great character no matter how you see it. Im just happy nintendo is embracing this depiction of the character because i genuinely thiught they were going to censor her again to stay away from controversy. But most people dont really care and just want a good game.

I miss the cat calling Goombas X(. The new phrase is lame. The new Vivian lines didn't upset me. Peach didn't even mention that taking off her clothes while invisible is indecent.

I agree people should always look at sources from both sides to get the real story but I disagree that it should be to get some centrist view on it. I am honestly so tired of the both siders. You don't have to be a centrist to stop division you just have to be civil.

If I had to choose, I’d probably restore the catcalling scene (it feels good to beat up misogynistic scumbags, it shows Gombella has a spine), but given the previously mentioned “want to be female” line I’d say that going either interpretation on her character was a good choice. As for the Bowser scenes, letting him be an asshole would be fine in my eyes (and could teach children that that behaviour is as immature as that version of Bowser). Luckily, I have access to both versions (was born early enough in Gen Z to own a Wii that I could just download a copy onto after paying Nintendo for a copy of the remake so they actually get the money), so I get to experience both versions.

You appear to be mistaken, I know japanese, and the phrase Otoko no Ko does not actually mean femboy, it depends which kanji is being used when saying the "Ko" part, because it itself can also mean boy, you see Otoko no Ko can be written as 男の子 or 男の娘, where "Ko" can be written as either 子 or 娘, this makes all the difference, since 男の子 just means boy, like 女の子 means girl, in the game of Paper Mario, they actually wrote in Katakana and not in kanji, and it reads オトコのコ, which means that they left it intentionally ambiguous so it can men boy or crossdresser, it was meant to be ambiguous and open to interpretation, playing on the japanese past of men looking like females to play females parts used in many kabuki plays since real females could become pregnant and unable to perform, so this is rooted in some history and often played for laugh, the old "it's a trap" joke, that doesn't fly so well in the west. Nintendo likely removed it back in the day, since this type of interpretation didn't translate well in 2004, but nowadays, it makes more sense, it appears they have since doubled down and confirmed that she is transgender as it was even changed in the japanese text to be more definitive (though if you ask me, it was clearly leaning to the transgender route even in the original), but regardless, the tone was never clearly a femboy that has been misinterpreted for transgender, it was always up for your own interpretation, as it was not to be taken seriously.

I wonder if they made these changes in the Japanese version

Thank you for bringing this to light so quickly!

Enjoyed the video. Thank you 😊

People just need to cry me a river and get over it if Bowser wants to fat shame of cartoon character go ahead

@7:00 Fucking localisers.

Y'know, I really appreciate your stance here. You're sensible, as unbiased as you can be, and factual and proper about how to try and make an argument, by checking as many sources as possible, and ultimately coming to a conclusion that isn't on either dumb side of the spectrum, but a nore encompassing point a view 😌

I'm offended because it's my choice, my personality.

Since I never played a Paper Mario game, this doesn’t bother me. What I really want to know is what are Nintendos plans for new Mario beyond June before the Nintendo Switch 2 gets announced?

8:58 🎉

Thanks Lady Decade. PMTYD is one of my favourite games. I loved it back then, and I love the remake still. Vivian is a great character, and I remember the intrigue when I learned about the Japanese origins of the character. I think the character was, and is still handled pretty well. This game remains on my top 10, even twenty years after.

I could be uncultured but i just wanna play video games 🎮

And thank you for being a well balanced person as well. Glad to know there's more than a few out there.

On your final point, you're totally right. The problem is it's going to take a major shift in the societal mindset for that to happen. The biggest focus currently is putting ourselves into a group and treating everyone else as an enemy. Even worse, an enemy that must be eliminated.

Ty for the info.

In what part of the original dialogue did the character say she wanted to be female?

This seems to assume that both the left and the right are monoliths and every one must lean one way or another. Kotaku is first and foremost a click bait site.

Thank you for showing more of the story and calling out reporting designed only to divide and rile us up.

Just in the first chapter there are over 20+ small changes. I'm hoping they don't change the wrestling tourney part. The dark humor was the best part of the game.

An avalanche of content 😎😎

What is going on with people taking self-awareness too far, to where it now becomes a tool to censor certain elements of games? Lessons are being traded out for people's soft hearts. Games, from major corps, haven't seen this from Indie companies yet, are becoming more and more unbearable.

never knew you could get vivian before fighting hooktail. or that vivians real name is Rickardo Valentians

With hd texture

I really gotta ask, who cares? Let people have the head-canon they want.

The problem isnt the vivian part, its the censored goombas. I wanted to buy this game, but it feels wrong to support it.

how are you fighting hooktail with vivian?

You're spot on about partisan BS.

NOA Treehouse strikes again. Never forget how much they butchered Fire Emblem games and how if it wasn't for NOE we would never have Xeno series in the west, but they did sadly managed too get their hands on some of it censoring. I also do love NOA actively promote Xeno now that it's successful yet wouldn't originally never gave it the time of day :-)

this video was very informative thank you. i should never listen to aggressive twitter ever

now if they fixed the romance in Fire Emblem Engage we will be happy

I don't care bear. I will just enjoy what we do have.

interesting thing about Vivian it seems at the time of the original ttyd's release, she was much more popular as always being a female 😏 i wonder why...

Did they change the hooktail foot fetish stuff?

Can we just play the game

"Here we go"😄😄. Every New Game is up for debate now with a character that has or had any past that might be any other than straight that must be represented in video games. They've opened the flood gates.

Some of these changes don’t bother as I haven’t played the original GameCube version, these changes are only controversial to those easily offended, these are fictional characters in a video game, what is this world coming to when people get offended by a character in a video game, but then again look at the controversy with Stella Blade.

This is talking I thought they messed up the features why does this matter

Beldam Speech Bubble.

“Why you have to be mad…? Its just a game”

Lady Decade!❤❤❤❤❤❤😊

Brilliant! Well said! Top Hat Gamer🎩 is a VERY lucky man to be with such a sweet and intelligent woman!😊

I would say "you can't win" but it's a multi-billion company which is hopefully going to make bank on a x year old game. Hopefully the players who want to see more games like paper mario do.

See thats the problem. THEY'RE VILLAINS!!! Villains arent supposed to have decency!!! That's what makes them VILLAINS, THEY DO WHAT WANT!

What happened to this channel? I missed when it was about obscure gaming systems and old bootleg roms

Omg!! We gotta stop listening to these idiots making this idiotic controversy stuff! Its a game , play or don’t play. Its that simple! I never in my life thought someone would say this game is controversial lol! We all played it and had fun when it originally came out and no problems! I miss those days!

Remota and cross dressers need representation too! Just let the original lore and dialogue be in games. Not everything will be inclusive! Let the game be a product of its era, and just enjoy it. Great article, well presented, and insightful. Have a great day young lady.

I can't believe this is the world we live in now

Critical thinking, i love u

Thankfully I have this still on GameCube

I believe Nintendo did want conversion in that back then this is just my theory and assumption about that which is understandable.

Does the Japanese version of this remaster change Vivian as well? Or did they just remaster the original Japanese version? Because the changes spell remake, it's not a remaster. Either way, I don't need this new version, I still have my original disc and Game Cube.

2024 everybody

If someone claims to be psychic or possessed by demons are they really?

All I can say is I am an Adam and Eve guy.

I play games to get away from the World and Social issues.

Regarding Vivian, I think somebody who has a clear understanding of Japanese culture around the time thay this game was originally releases should weigh in. I know here in the United States, the word transgender was barely even known by the general public at that time, and a video game designer who knew little about transgender people back then probably would have used the phrase cross dresser, transvestite, or something along those lines. I have to wonder if that would have been the case in Japanese culture at the time, too.

This is an outrage!

happy to hear you pushing for critical thinking and a more centrist approach to issues, sad that it has to be said though

Yes, its true that "otokonoko" (男の娘, literally "male daughter") is slang for what is basically a femboy (as my dictionary calls it, "(slang) young man who has a feminine aesthetic"). But equally, and more importantly, is it true that in standard, non-slang Japanese, "otokonoko" (男の子, literally "male child") just means "boy". And the final nail in the coffin is that its written in katakana (オトコのコ), and put up against "onnanoko" (オンナのコ) meaning "girl" without any similar ambiguity in meaning (for reference, tomboy is either お転婆, "otenba", or お侠, "okyan"). So, given the lack of kanji supporting it, and the contrasting "onnanoko", translating "otokonoko" here as "femboy" is a wild stretch. Thats the issue with halfassing your understanding of Japanese to only encompassing rōmaji. Yes, it could be a pun, as those are sometimes written in kana for their ambiguity, but would have to be seen in context of the rest or the text to be more than an allusion to punnery. TL;DR: Chuds with lacking understanding of the language mistranslate text to support their narrative. You're not as centrist as you like to make out.

Again, they censored and changed Mario rpg remake, why do people all of a sudden care now?

Yeah, I'm kind of in the same boat you are on the partisan morality policing we see these days... hanging around with left-wing people makes me wonder if I'm right-wing because I don't agree with them, and hanging around with right-wing people makes me wonder if I'm left-wing because I don't agree with them either. It's not even that I necessarily think some of these things that were censored are good things, but it severely limits the stories you can tell if everything that can be talked about has to fall within someone's definition of what's acceptable. Especially when it's villains saying it... like, yes, maybe anti-fat statements and cat-calls are hurtful, but we really have to just go zero tolerance and not allow any discussion at all of sensitive topics and pretend like the world is perfect now, like the old Christian right used to do back when they were in charge, but in the other direction? Definitely not what I signed up for back when I was left-wing in the 1990s. I feel like we get the worst of both worlds... the right-wing influence on society means everything has to be advertiser-friendly and sanitized to the point of being inoffensive to all potential consumers, and the left-wing influence on society means that social norms are constantly changing and re-releases of media will constantly be sanitized in new and different ways thanks to contant churn of social norms, so you can't even predict the censorship anymore. At least it was fairly predictable what the right-wing people wound want to cover up, sex and religious references... with the new morality police, you won't know what might have been censored unless you are up-to-date with the latest controversies.

Well this isnt annoying at all ruining things no one cared about , but changing it just to make it a issue 😂

Lady decade had enough of the censored babies. She is on fire. !!!!! Keep crushing sister💪

It's like a bunch of 3-year olds fighting in the sandbox ...I hope the grown-ups show up soon

I think as gamers We forgot that some games are made for some people and others are not to keep your wokeness and DEI out of my video games.

it's a me mario

You didn't really show what was changed...we all know the vivi story and that they are keeping the original, people like to cry over nothing

I don't understand why English translators can't just stick to the original source.

"No, I'm simply saying "life finds a way" - Some physical theorist and dinosaur survivor.

Why is everyone so obsessed with Paper Mario and Mario RPG, if the Mario and Luigi RPG is way better of the three franchises?

I followed you because we need more women in games media…guess that was DEI :o