Joan asking for their pro nouns back in the day really showed how much of a open minded person she was when drag queens were disgraced on television
@WhoCares30013 жыл бұрын
You should check documentary called Queens at Heart from the 50s. They were respecting pronouns back then. The 90s isn't that long ago.
@NatsumiTakanawa3 жыл бұрын
@@WhoCares3001 Queens at heart is late 60s and it wasn’t really good with the lingo (which is understandable because the lingo didn’t even exist then). They just referred to those gals as ‘homosexuals’, and when they treated them as women it was wicked sexist and sexual. lol
@jonathancrippen16152 жыл бұрын
REST IN POWER!!!! DORIEN, PEPPER, KIM, WILLIE AND JOAN WE WILL ALL MEET AGAIN SOMEWHERE IN TIME. THANKYOU ALL FOR THE GIFT OF BEAUTY, WARMTH,STRENGHT, FAMILY, LOVE AND INSPIRATION THAT YOU ALL CONTINUE TO GIVE US LONG AFTER YOU LEFT US! WE LOVE YOU!🙏❤
@Fakhrihilmi69 Жыл бұрын
@@jonathancrippen1615 we won't sadly
@hdakickking695317 күн бұрын
Right , I was saying that and I've seen this a dozen times and never noticed that only because pro nouns is such a thing now. I loved Joan so much. When Kim Pendavis died she sent a beautiful huge wreath of flowers to his funeral which I found to be so commendable and respectful to ballroom , I knew everyone on stage and none of them are here today my they all Rest in Peace.
@drubert198115 күн бұрын
The way Joan approached this with empathy rather than treating them like a spectacle is a behavior before it's time.
@jbird257512 күн бұрын
An ally forever.
@TheWpgMom15 күн бұрын
"Life is tough and balls are worse" the tiny grin on Joan's face shows she had herculean self control in that moment 🤣
@born2shine4ever4 жыл бұрын
It’s crazy his Pepper Lebeija literally created the term 24/7. Joan was so amazed by it. So much of the slang we use today was created by black gay and trans people from the NYC area in the 70s and 80s. And that’s a fact! 👏🏽👏🏽👏🏽👏🏽👏🏽
@cooolness34 жыл бұрын
She did not create the term 24/7.
@born2shine4ever4 жыл бұрын
Smiley Citrus Okay.
@yourfavoritegirlnyc95794 жыл бұрын
That part !!!!!!!
@amazingabby254 жыл бұрын
Smiley Citrus 24/7 comes from drag culture.
@amazingabby254 жыл бұрын
It was first used by a black basketball player in 1983, and likely grew from the black drag culture,
@bryanedney27233 жыл бұрын
RIP, Dorian, Pepper, Willie and, of course, Joan!
@Themeparklovers3 жыл бұрын
Yeah everyone on that stage has passed on haven’t they?
@themasksamonji86062 ай бұрын
@@Themeparkloversexcept the woman who created Paris is Burning. some say she is still living in new york
@hdakickking695317 күн бұрын
Kim isn't with us anymore as well he just had a bday the day b4 mine 6/25 ...I believe Freddie is still alive
@andygates12764 жыл бұрын
So glad this beautiful history was captured.
@rblyth084 жыл бұрын
Me 2
@BertyNolks16 күн бұрын
🎉🎉🎉🎉🎉❤
@SomewhereAbove2 жыл бұрын
Pepper Labeija is so mesmerizing I could listen to her talk about her life for hours
@londonbowcat1 Жыл бұрын
24:20 burning
@aavalestormiconicperformer Жыл бұрын
She had that talk show voice🎉🎉🎉🎉🎉
@aavalestormiconicperformer Жыл бұрын
Love Joan how she battled.🎉🎉🎉🎉🎉🎉
@DIETRICHCICCONE Жыл бұрын
Joan Rivers was always on our team. Forever Loved ❤️❤️❤️
@aavalestormiconicperformer Жыл бұрын
She was so connected to everyone 🎉🎉🎉🎉🎉🎉
@hdakickking695317 күн бұрын
Kim was 1 of my closest and dearest friends , I miss him dearly and Pepper was my mother when I was a LaBeija RIP🙏🙏
@ashm79223 жыл бұрын
This is the reason why the LGBTQ+ community always embraced Joan. When she would have queens on the show, she would showcase them as talent and not as a joke. And would ask meaningful questions to try and allow her audience to understand the culture like she did.
@aaliyahsimon58613 жыл бұрын
These absolute QUEENS did not deserve that dry ass crowd! I would have been doing the most hahaha! I love these legends yaaaaas ❤️
@londonbowcat1 Жыл бұрын
23:45
@feliciajenkins50413 жыл бұрын
You know Pepper's children miss him daily🌹🌷🌹🌷
@kylielovespuppiecash2 жыл бұрын
"Peppa "
@guilhermeperes605114 күн бұрын
Joan Rivers was just the best. The acceptance and interest in the subject is real.
@idiosyncraticparadise16554 жыл бұрын
With the exception of Jeanie. Everyone on that stage passed REST WELL ! I hung in the village and piers as well. I’m the generation after this one !! Before social media we all had an amazing time. Good memories I love seeing the ones before me
@rblyth084 жыл бұрын
I LOVE THIS POST. I too am from the generation BEFORE social media and a camera literally everywhere. In our homes, (not mine), in the streets, the average suburban street has a RING camera on virtually every door. Everyone on earth seems to be thinking that they somehow need to be their own KZfaq, Instagram publicist instead of just being young. When we grew up teenage and youthful mistakes didn't live forever on the internet. I'm not anti tech in anyway, I just think that life was just a little more real WHEN it didn't happen in cyberspace. Your post took me back to wonderful, reckless, sexy days of the past and made me realize just how lucky we really were. Bless you Comic Man. You earned yourself a few extra heaven points for that.
@kishikcm3 жыл бұрын
Freddie Pendavis is still alive
@idiosyncraticparadise16553 жыл бұрын
Kishi Chad yea when I made this comment. It was at the beginning of the show
@hdakickking695317 күн бұрын
I think Freddie is still alive
@ryan010able9 ай бұрын
cant believe all these legends have left us now. rip, you all managed to make an impact 🙏🏻
@keeganthorpe4 жыл бұрын
Kudos to Joan Rivers! Little things like this helped in so many ways.
@robinp1394616 күн бұрын
Love Dorian!! Had a whole body in her closet! !!!!Yessss!! I’m glad I grew up in NYC and had the pleasure to experience this! I’m a Straight black (Cis) woman. Back then I was called a (F- Hag!) And had so many gay friends! And lost so many also to the epidemic 😢
@operas613 күн бұрын
Joan was so fantastic.
@andyroo938113 күн бұрын
I saw "Paris Is Burning" in the theatre. I was mesmerized by this entire world and I never knew existed. Now you can go on YT and see videos of Vogue Balls from all around the world; Paris, Madrid, Barcelona, London, etc. It's an entire world unto itself. I, luckily, own "Paris Is Burning" on dvd.
@TechToyTV3 жыл бұрын
Joan Rivers was a treasure to humanity! I wish she was still here with us today
@Zhvianna7 ай бұрын
And this is why I loved and will always love Joan, she will forever be a legend. She showed loved to the community way before it was accepted publicly, her humor was like no other. My biggest regret was being to young to not see one of her comedy shows live!
@LisaMarie-xp4ym4 жыл бұрын
When Joan walks out you realise how small she is against everyone!! Xx
@sherriepb18 ай бұрын
I love them all.... but there's something so special about Dorian (despite her dark past). I think it's her wisdom and legacy in the ball culture.
@Pippa-pw3qw16 күн бұрын
❤️ Drag will NEVER Die!! Thank You 🦋
@Investigator864 жыл бұрын
The audience was so dry 🙄 I woulda been LIVING 🗣
@ah791017 күн бұрын
However much a society can move forward (like you point out, just look how DRY the audience is, compared to the reaction they would get today) a society can also moved backwards - let’s never take anything for granted and push back against religious conservatism.
@dipoche16794 жыл бұрын
August 8, 1991. Credited cast: Dorian Corey, Pepper LaBeija, Esther Leake, Jennie Livingston, Willi Ninja, Freddie Pendavis, Kim Pendavis, Adrian Xtravaganza
@positive___soul4 жыл бұрын
Joan Rivers threw shade at Regis and Kathy 😂😂😂 RIP Joan and of course to all the House Legends!
@tophtaylor16 күн бұрын
Thank you for preserving this ♥️ wonderful to watch
@jai_b4 жыл бұрын
'Beat your face' was used even back then and beyond.
@OldskolFan4 жыл бұрын
People using it today time-travelled to that era and bought it back to this time. 😆
@jerseykid53194 жыл бұрын
The term came from that time. Many terms we use now were coined from them. We are just now giving them the acknowledgement
@jerseykid53194 жыл бұрын
No shade
@aavalestormiconicperformer Жыл бұрын
All amazing performers and Dorian performed and made gowns. Willie did choreography and taught classes.
@MaryamofShomal Жыл бұрын
A lot of queens who are no longer with us. I adored every minute, except for when Livingston tried to talk over everyone. Thank you for sharing this!
@andrewhenry80102 жыл бұрын
"THE GODFATHER OF VOGUE R.I.P WILLIE NINJA
@glamnesianouveaux203912 күн бұрын
I am looooving La Beija. Very sad he died in the 00s. He is really beautiful and soooo very intelligent in this interview x Bless you Joan
@k.abigail.3 жыл бұрын
Wow, loving this 💜💜💜 Aw Joan was so respectful, miss her. RIP.
@londonbowcat1 Жыл бұрын
26:10 I tried to be straight for my mother's benefit
@TheWpgMom15 күн бұрын
I think if you were alive at the time you watch this differently. Even if you were far from NY and not LGBTQ+ you remember how the world was and how this was seen at the time. And how very, very special Joan was for this. So far ahead.
@aavalestormiconicperformer Жыл бұрын
The Voguers that came out were fab❤❤❤❤
@feliciajenkins50413 жыл бұрын
Willie and his team worked that stage🌷🌹🌷🌹
@Veronica.Celine Жыл бұрын
yes!! Crazy rude the way Joan laughed after first dancer said she was a model tho 32:15
@drasco610843 жыл бұрын
Amazing that this was 30 years ago
@justasithought15923 жыл бұрын
daaaamn Willy was FIIIIIINE!!😍🥺🥺
@tonisylviamallette1601 Жыл бұрын
"I didn't like something she said earlier' love it
@Derexican Жыл бұрын
Thank you for posting this. Was so wonderful to watch.
@esmereldavilla-lobos49073 жыл бұрын
Look at Dorian ...just sitting up there on tv like she ain’t got a dead body in her closet 💁🏻♀️
@arodriguez71583 жыл бұрын
Screaming
@MarkyMat233 жыл бұрын
Badass
@Rogerthatx103 жыл бұрын
Literally commented in every video she’s in. 🥱
@andrewhenry80102 жыл бұрын
Wait what 😳
@adrianh3322 жыл бұрын
@@Rogerthatx10 oh oh, looks like we've found the negative Nancy.
@gogosegaga4 жыл бұрын
Willie Ninja is so cute... !
@BertyNolks16 күн бұрын
He was GORGEOUS 🥰 ♈
@bajanboinoho53784 жыл бұрын
So sad that everyone on this stage except the director is deceased.
@rblyth084 жыл бұрын
Gone but Neva forgotten.
@NOIR_PAPA4 жыл бұрын
Friddie is still alive Lol check this instagram.com/parisisburningz/
@born2shine4ever4 жыл бұрын
Freddie Pendavis is alive and well.
@joshualovell20034 жыл бұрын
No i just saw jinnie at walmart in Manhattan
@feliciajenkins50413 жыл бұрын
@@joshualovell2003 did you talk to her?😎
@marimarujaa78183 жыл бұрын
They are all so adorable ☺️
@miasmum0012 жыл бұрын
And the balls are main stream now .. these ppl are now legendary x
@londonbowcat1 Жыл бұрын
27:09Joan is Jewish ?
@themasksamonji86062 ай бұрын
@@londonbowcat1yes
@evelynibarra214311 күн бұрын
Just found gem. Thanks for uploading
@victorha99233 жыл бұрын
I rented the bluray from Netflix, but disc 2 (which has this show) was not included. Thanks for making my viewing complete. Great doc, and I also like revisiting 90s TV through footage like this
@londonbowcat1 Жыл бұрын
26:00 who remembers Joan's joke on transvestite Didn't know she was Jewish
@fairuh520 Жыл бұрын
I love you Pepper
@versaillesxiv_4 жыл бұрын
Was the expression 24/7 really not known then?? Joan is just hearing it for the first time.
@GraylingForReal Жыл бұрын
You have to watch the movie then watch this. WOW!
@barbraseville898411 күн бұрын
I remember watching this while I was still (fairly) young. I was obsessed! I stayed up late that night to watch the re-run bc I was afraid to record it.
@yasmeensulieman15922 жыл бұрын
Sweet Kim was so thin. May he rest. ❤️
@hunniedtea4 жыл бұрын
OP. PU. LENCE.
@fabteengh46154 жыл бұрын
You own everything!
@ImaginaryEvil4 жыл бұрын
“Everything is yours!”
@aavalestormiconicperformer Жыл бұрын
Joan was so a head of her time. She asked them what their pronouns were. 🎉🎉🎉🎉🎉🎉
@henrylester40514 жыл бұрын
Why is this not on the list of shows on the JRS on smart tv
@adamowens44983 жыл бұрын
Not Joan not knowing what 24/7 meant
@KeithBeez16 күн бұрын
23:39 love how Willie got his nuisance from his mother. The eye roll 😂
@LisaMarie-xp4ym4 жыл бұрын
Wonder what Labieja’s children are like...
@applejuice76484 жыл бұрын
Peppers*
@tisha4uri4254 жыл бұрын
It's sad that none of the people in the film went far in life after this.....you would have thought it would have catapulted their lives but it was still not the thing.
@ImaginaryEvil4 жыл бұрын
Quite a few of them didn’t live long afterwards. Most passed in the 90’s and early 2000’s. Really sad.
@24POWERS4 жыл бұрын
How is that sad. They were old . Anyway the director was hot here and she’s an old ass Karen now. Oh well.
@ImaginaryEvil4 жыл бұрын
Elan Pritchett they weren’t old! The oldest one there by a long way was Dorian, she was 52 at the time. She died aged 56 in 1993. Hardly old.
@jadeediorr38074 жыл бұрын
Elan Pritchett how tf is anybody dying not sad it doesn’t matter what age they are ‼️
@tisha4uri4254 жыл бұрын
@@24POWERS it's sad because you would think that a lot of them were so talented and someone comes along and makes a movie about your life you'd profit and make life for yourself after, all these people were only known still by the underground community they came from and Willie really was the only person people knew abroad and the guys that danced in Madonna's vouge video was only known as Madonna's dancers. And fuck Jenny Livingston that bitch never looked back or tried to help any of them at least publicly
@83kikiboots2 ай бұрын
Willie ninja is one of the most beautiful men ive ever seen
@AeonZhang4 жыл бұрын
🖤🖤🖤
@Jackeeypoos Жыл бұрын
As much as I love Paris is burning there’s one thing I noticed quite clearly from this which I want to know what other peoples thoughts are or if they picked up on this: On the early days of filming they said Jenny told the cast it for a student film, I wonder when it eventually came time that she told them this would be a feature length miramax film? How does a student film transform to ‘oh we’re shooting today for the front poster’ or ‘oh guys were doing a Joan rivers special’ I’m sure she told them eventually and because of these opportunities the cast I assume were happy. However notice in the interview when Jenny talks about balls or houses the cast don’t really look at her as this is information they already know. However when Joan asks Jenny ‘how long till you knew you had a hit?’ And Jenny says she had to beg multiple executives for funding and the process she endured I noticed all the cast looking at her very clearly as if maybe they didn’t know that part of the information as this was from like a day before the day was actually released? Anyone else pick up on this? None the less legendary and this movie is cemented forever🎉
@bridgetisjonesing50074 жыл бұрын
Everyone on that stage is no longer living
@amazingabby254 жыл бұрын
I think Jennie Livingston is
@Nada07able2 жыл бұрын
Freddie Pendavis and Jennie Livingston are.
@TombCat13 күн бұрын
Joan was great looking in the early 1990s. On her second facelift and nose job, with the chic, more relaxed hairstyle and (usually) in a Chanel suit. Daytime realness. She was almost 60 and just looked great! As funny and irreverent as she was, people forget what an intelligent, attentive and young thinking interviewer she was. It's one of the reasons that her popularity was a bit C List. She was just too ballsy and outrageous - yet so proper and classy in her way too. She did not appeal to everyone. There was nobody like her. (Certainly NOT Kathy Griffin)
@WafuBro2014 күн бұрын
Asking pronouns in the g*ddamn year of 1990. That's THE Joan Rivers for y'all
@lauriethomas41454 жыл бұрын
Labeija's children!
@thebeefyleaf2 ай бұрын
Why was Kim Pendavis not included in the interivew? Thanks for uploading this!
@chadshere4 жыл бұрын
All passed away
@cinnamongworl98339 ай бұрын
joan was always mother 🏳️🌈 god I miss her 😢
@stevenjoseph5549 Жыл бұрын
Anyone know the name of the third dancer during the voguing segment??
@quaeemstowe-smith98014 күн бұрын
Banji being a straight mugger is nasty work 😂😂😂😂😂😂😂
@BertyNolks16 күн бұрын
No way!!! They got exposure
@alfonzowharton15572 жыл бұрын
Joan s greatest show-00bc-2099ad
@glamnesianouveaux203912 күн бұрын
This has my eyes in tears. What beautiful humans, sigh x Pity they are all gone :-( They are examples of what a community is unlike the LGBT and pass me every other letter of the youth today!
@carolg8816 күн бұрын
whats the song they vogue to that goes body-ody
@glamnesianouveaux203912 күн бұрын
It's a pity that Ninja didn't mention the Deep in Vogue video they were in. He mentioned there hasn't been a video that showed Vogueing properly but they showed it in. Deep in Vogue.
@alanalaurent634913 күн бұрын
Only 1 person on this stage is still alive today :(
@user-xm5ny2ju9m2 жыл бұрын
whos the guy with the long curly hair? not Willie
@LisaMarie-xp4ym4 жыл бұрын
Why is she constantly talking over Labieja?? Getting on my nerves!!
@SusanAHubbard4 жыл бұрын
That's just how Joan was. She gets very excited and always has a ton of questions, and sometimes it comes out a bit aggressive
@pennywisedaclown5114 күн бұрын
TV interviews/segments are always on a countdown. It will seem like Joan is rushing and interrupting but she has to keep the pace moving for timing.
@feliciajenkins50413 жыл бұрын
I believe that comment Pepper said was bout freddie pendavis cause he said some funky shit bout Pepper's house in the film.
@Valerioraschiamare3 жыл бұрын
When did he say something about Freddie?
@TheRAH146 ай бұрын
What happened to Kim Pendavis? She was introduced at the beginning but that was it and it wasn't mentioned after that
@dewasaepurrahman4 жыл бұрын
Get succes
@FashionFunPJ11 күн бұрын
Did they ever solve the Dorian Corey mummy in the trunk case??
@Oscar-gp8em14 күн бұрын
Joan needs a SAINTHOOD! She did so much for the gay community when it was not cool to be gay.
@oxoxoxoxo11559 күн бұрын
What year was this?
@BertyNolks16 күн бұрын
Jennie was taught DOWN !!!
@nickmtl257014 күн бұрын
Were Pepper and Coolio the same person? 🤔😜
@Derexican Жыл бұрын
Pose pretty much stole everything these legends said and used it for mostly every Pose episode....
@callmeeelexx2085 Жыл бұрын
Well of course. ‘Pose’ was based on the ball scene of the 80s/90s which is why. The characters on POSE are loosely based on these legends. Candy’s character death is loosely based on Venus Xtravaganza. A dead body was found in Dorian’s closet after death and when Elektra’s client died they hid his body in her closet..
@bowiejones5769 Жыл бұрын
What's the name of the song played during the vogueing part?
@stevenjoseph5549 Жыл бұрын
Drink On Me by Teule.
@1978TVP14 күн бұрын
r they all alive, still?
@barbraseville898411 күн бұрын
Only Jenny. The white cis woman who directed
@1978TVP11 күн бұрын
@@barbraseville8984 / aids?
@PassionsPlanett2 күн бұрын
Dorian and Willi died due to AIDS complications (1993/2006) and Pepper died of a heart attack (2003)
@tonycruz29392 жыл бұрын
I hate how Joan Rives interrupts them before they finish what they're trying to say! But glad she had them in the show
@paulsmith851016 күн бұрын
Didn't Dorion have a dead body in his closet for like 20 years???
@adrianh3322 жыл бұрын
It's weird watching this knowing that Dorian has a mummified corpse hidden in his closet.
@50shadesofShay.3 жыл бұрын
Jenny Livingston describing the categories is so cringey. Why is it so hard to let other cultures and sub cultures tell their own damn stories. If they are brilliant enough to create it, they are more than capable to talk about and profit from their creations.
@oliverv2912 жыл бұрын
100 percent, I knew all of these people.. brings me back to my youth...I remember seeing willie back in the summer of 1986 in central park...
@AManAndAMouse2 жыл бұрын
Joan asked her to explain the categories. Certainly the film tells their stories but if it wasn’t for Jenny there would be no documentary - at least one made in 1991 when their stories were happening.
@barbraseville898411 күн бұрын
This is such an endless argument. These stories would never have been told this way and in this time if Jenny hadn't used her privilege and connections to amplify their voices. It's not fair, but it is what it is. If we waited for these specific people to have the tools, connections, drive, and opportunity: we might not have gotten their stories. I'm sure the business part of it was very complicated. I'm sure there were some broken hearts and hurt feelings when this film started making money.
@betrapvideos5 ай бұрын
I wonder if Jenny was 🌈..
@teralmiles4 жыл бұрын
God Joan stuttering drives me crazy! Sounds like she’s trying to hard!
@thedarthflagger5 ай бұрын
Pendover lmao
@rhondab.37744 жыл бұрын
Joan is clueless about this and imho she is talking too much
@Marlon-sw4nw4 жыл бұрын
Girl, trust me she knew, she just wants the audience to understand and viewers.
@amazingabby254 жыл бұрын
Marlon she use to be a judge at many of these balls
@Marlon-sw4nw4 жыл бұрын
@@amazingabby25 see, she knows it all
@ashm79223 жыл бұрын
Joan Rivers not only knew, but attended drag shows. She was talking about gay people on television in the 60s. And began working on AIDS before all the major celebrities did it. The real reason why the gay community respected Joan so much was because she showcased drag talent as talent, and not as a joke like other talk show hosts did during this time. Literally watch any other talk show segment about drag in the early 90s and you'll see how amazing this was.
@DeepScreenAnalysis2 жыл бұрын
Show some respect on Joan’s name: she gave these people a platform.
@leeagdup12 жыл бұрын
I’m sorry but I do NOT understand how Joan saw those two big ol mounds staring her in the face; then calls Dorian a “he”. AND had the nerve to say her breasts were “hairy”😩😩 god bless her wretched soul 😹😹😹
@barbraseville898411 күн бұрын
Yes. She was wretched 😏 She did the best she knew then. Things were different and this was some progress.