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What I never understood about Christians like Paul and Morgan is why they care more about what the Apostle Paul says than what Jesus says.

Tim’s knowledge feels PhD level and Paul feels to be middle school. I wonder how Paul felt deep down having these convos with Tim

This dude is saying everything I have ever wanted to say to Paul so much more eloquently than I could.

Paul is so out of his depth. It’s almost uncomfortable to watch except it’s not because Tim is so kind and incredible.

Paul: "I'm not saying homosexuality and alcoholism are the same but..." *Proceeds to directly compare homosexuality and alcoholism*

I always laugh at how every single time Paul no longer has ammunition for something he immediately pivots to something else. It’s classic abusive behaviour.

Anyone who says the Bible is to be taken literally but isn't incredibly skilled in at least Hebrew, Greek and Aramaic is a joke. The English Bible is an adaptation of an adaptation of an adaptation translation of a translation of a translation. There's a lot different than the initial written text. (And that's before you get to the party where a bunch of old white guys got together and decided which religious writings were going to be the official history and doctrine, and got rid of the ones that they didn't like, especially if they had to do with the role of women.)

Happy Birthday!! As a queer person I appreciate the way Tim went about answering their questions with regards to LGBTQ issues, specifically when he made it clear that queerness and alcoholism aren't the same thing. It's a very frustrating comparison. I know for me, I didn't grow up in any kind of church community and still struggled with my identity and mental health issues. I'd have imagine going weekly to a place that says your feelings are sinful would make that 100 times worse. Also maybe it's just me, but it feels weird to hear Paul say "the LGBT," it feels like when people say "the Blacks" instead of Black people.

Paul and Morgan are so incredibly ignorant. I know it’s not polite to say that but they truly know so little about anything at all. The way Paul said that Tim wouldn’t be comfortable in a “traditional” church because he’s affirming when fundamentalist churches reject most liturgical tradition, and mainline churches that preserve the tradition by and far are affirming. Not to mention how little Paul knows about the theology of his own faith. Paul and Morgan really shouldn’t have a platform but since they do I’m glad that they’re bringing more intelligent and informed people on to speak in this case.

I get the sense that Paul listens to respond and not to understand

Paul: I want people to go back to the word and figure out what it says Progressive Christians: It says here to love one another above everything except for loving God. Paul: No, not like that.

I am glad you called out that very, very stupid argument that Morgan made. That she thinks anyone would feel badly if their church told them they were sinful. Tim had JUST EXPLAINED that this only happens to queer people. These types of churches increase suicidal ideation in queer people, and all she can say is, “BUT SIN!!!!!”

You DID NOT just release two long videos in a row. Oh, hell yeah! YOU ARE MY HERO. *grabs kettle corn*

It's really frustrating to hear Paul go from talking about queer inclusion to porn. This is a gross conflation between the two things. They are NOT similar AT ALL. That felt very purposeful and sinister from Paul. Don't do that.

What stands out to me is how much better informed Tim is than Paul. It's amazing how even just a little bit of wiggle room allows for people to search out truth, in my opinion. I'm not Christian any more but I appreciate Tim's takes - I'm just not in a place any more where I think the Bible is a guide and should provide your morals, but I'm glad Tim's view is more focussed on what harm his actions cause.

I think the frustrating thing is that Tim knows so much that Paul doesn’t have any information that Tim isn’t aware of that will convince him. But Paul doesn’t have the mindset that he could be wrong, so he won’t listen to Tim.

My win for the week is the love of my life proposed! Excited to see what the future holds for us

My win for the week is I moved into a new rental house with my friend and its a disabled friendly property so I have more freedom to move around. The owner put in bars and a ramp for me to make it accessible so I'm so thankful.

When I watched Tim's reaction livestream I told my husband that Tim "knows the context of the Bible like B Haney."

when Tim said that people treat the bible as the 4th trinity...dang that hit hard. I've only been in circles that are super strict with the bible, but this man describing it as a useful tool kind of blew my mind. I've never thought of the bible as a tool. for whatever reason this gives me motivation to revisit it. also win for the week is that I've started so many IV's in people! I've been afraid of doing IV's but I've been getting better at them. hope whoever's reading this has a good day ☺️

I never knew about the New Evangelicals, so i didn't understand why everyone was so excited for this collab. Definitely get it now, the New Evangelicals are people i would have seriously appreciated having around when I was growing up

Paul's condescending "I'm glad to hear you say that"s every time Tim said something Paul could squint at and consider agreement with him were infuriating. Like he went into it expecting Tim to support drug-fueled public orgies or porn in elementary schools or something and was pleasantly surprised when he said he considers hook-up culture unwise. Shut up, Paul.

paul is so snarky in this one and tim handles it with so much grace

Tim eats Paul’s lunch while Morgan giggles. Goodness. Tim highlights how stubborn, arrogant, and uneducated Paul is. Almost painful to watch. B - you look positively beautiful! Glowing like crazy!

RE: lgbtq+ stuff: I agree Paul is grasping at straws to affirm his position. I think a good question for Paul would be, how do you invest in the lives of lgbtq+ ppl beyond zeroing in on what you perceive as “taboo” about them? I would want to know if Paul has any lgbtq+ friends, or if he’s met an lgbtq+ couple who are thriving together. You can’t love someone when you only see a label and don’t have the flexibility to discover who they really are and why they are worth celebrating.

TNE has an excellent, must-watch three-part series on the history of the conflict in Palestine. I binged it over the past few days. Cannot recommend it enough.

Great reaction! I'm always perplexed by how Paul and Morgan are the ones who edit their videos but somehow manage to make themselves come off unfavourably.

Win for the week. I finally had a doctor who not only knew about my extremely rare illness but also did further testing and is trying some new stuff to help. As someone with massive medical trauma, this is huge.

I absolutely HATE the way that fundamentalists like P&M debate and process information. They literally do not know how to approach a conversation with an open mind and are so unaware of how their beliefs lead them down paths that are illogical. It seems like this whole conversation is just Paul trying to get Tim to say “oh actually my beliefs don’t make sense and you’re way is better”.

Hot take, but I think this is why people need to stop saying that "unaliving yourself is a choice" because for the majority of cases, people don't unalive themselves for no reason... How you treat others is INCREDIBLY important as we ARE social creatures. SOCIAL ISOLATION in the old days was LITERALLY classified as a form of TORTURE!! Let that sink in...

Re: comparing homosexuality to alcoholism: "Mom, Dad, I have news for you. I know this will be hard to understand, but I've struggled with something for a long time. I don't expect you to approve, but I ask you to please respect my decision and do not judge me while pretending to call out my sinful lifestyle. After careful reflection and deep prayer, I've decided to become an alcoholic." A conversation that no one has ever had.

As a gay person, I want to thank hetero Christians like Tim for doing this work. That’s how you do allyship, by taking his encyclopedic knowledge of the Bible and biblical scholarship and using it to topple the problematic belief systems that underpin the continued oppression of myself and my community. It doesn’t matter if Paul and Morgan change their minds, at this point I think it’s fruitless to hope for that, they have too much invested in their worldview. The goal is to change the minds of the viewers.

The entire premise of this series if flawed because Paul is a deeply uncurious, inflexible person. He doesn't want to find common ground, he wants to argue and doesn't have the intellect and research to back it up. Tim is fascinating and Paul is so exhausting to listen to.

Lol... Morgan's "cursive blase voice"... that one was fantastic!

Yes! I must admit I like this 24 Hrs because Paul is being forced to think instead of just react. It's quite refreshing to see. My Win For the Week: Enjoying Quiet Time while everyone is asleep but Me

There is no hate like Christian love

I want Paul and Morgan to do a 24 hours with a Rabbi

Paul and Morgan have been given the studies and told the statistics over and over. At this point, it's useless to discuss LGBT+ with them. You saw how as Tim pointed out they tapped danced out of the way when it came to slavery (even though the bondsman stuff is not honest or accurate) but they still want to hold on hating gays. I never understand how they don't understand the basic concept of 'they didn't wake up, choose a day and declared their sexuality' it's the same for heterosexuals as it is for homosexuals. You're born that way.

Win for the week: My husband and I rescued a little baby kitten that we found in the middle of the road! He's the sweetest boy and we're taking care of him until my best friend adopts him 😊

I almost choked hearing Paul ask about empathy and understanding while advocating for his right to completely reject empathy and understanding towards queer individuals

I love TNE’s refusal to get trapped in Paul’s questions and introduce nuance but stay calm and confident

I had the same thought about Paul saying Tim wouldn't be happy in a traditional Christian church. That's so vague. Oh you think Tim wouldn't be happy as a catholic? He wouldn't be happy being greek orthodox? OK. Paul apparently has no understanding of the vastness of Christian tradition.

my win for the week is that i had the past two weeks off from work! it was very rejuvenating :) Happy Birthday, B!!

the alcoholism comparison is also so incredibly flawed because we can literally prove beyond a reasonable doubt that alcoholism is detrimental and kills. the same can not be said for queerness (unless you are so intellectually dishonest its not even worth discussing it with you)

Paul is fighting to keep up intellectually and it’s painful to watch lol. I don’t know how he’s satisfied hearing at Tim’s well reasoned and argued points and responding with circular arguments and gotcha attempts

One of the big reasons why I don't resonate with Christianity anymore is exactly because of the discouragement of asking questions and exploring your beliefs past the "you just need to have faith" point. Islam, Judaism, Buddhism, all these religions encourage discussion and questions! And they're FINE. They're losing members too but not at the same rate that Christian denominations are. It just scares people off when church leaders do things like "fire" public facing members who are questioning. (I know he was a volunteer but it's more or less the same thing). Young people are not dumb and seeing someone who is questioning get essentially dismissed just sends the message to them that questioning will eventually lead to dismissal, so why keep going at that point? So frustrating.

Happy Birthday, B! Welcome to The 30s Club, it's pretty cool over here! 🎉💖🎂

My win for the week is that I did my first long drive (5 hours) with my 9 month old to see my beautiful niece and sister, and a few tears but we made it! And now I know we can do it, we can keep doing it!!

My favorite saying is "if it's not a salvation issue, why is it an issue?" If something is not causing harm to a person's walk with Jesus, why would you intervene? I will never understand why people think it is loving to push a queer person out of the church. Isn't pushing someone away from Jesus the exact opposite of what we should be doing? If sin separates us from Jesus, then pushing someone out of the church and away from Jesus is inherently a sin.

Did I just watch TNE’s reaction to the video yesterday? Yes. Am I going to watch both parts of yours anyways? Heck yeah!

Ok this is my fave 24hrs as someone who believes in God & loves your channel for some of the same reasons. I love that 1. He’s so knowledgeable/realistic 2. He’s looked into so much of the context from that time, from the most reliable sources, looked into the difference in what certain words even meant. I LOVE that!! When my dad was alive he had the strongest faith & he was always questioning & learning like this as well. For as much as Paul argues, it’s interesting how few deeper points he has to debate or carry his thoughts.

I just have to say.. hearing you talk about getting severely anxious over the concept of time never ending was really comforting. I have struggled with that since I was a child, but others in my Christian circle growing up never voiced those same fears.. it was nice to feel a little validated that yeah… even if I’m a Christian, there are so many things I don’t know and get anxious over. And that’s okay..I’ll go ahead and throw that in as my win for the week🫶🏼

Hi! Thanks so much for this vid 🙏🙏

Does Paul not understand that intervention-style call outs are not the move? Even if it were from a loving support system, that shit is usually a last ditch effort to help someone. If you go to a gay person and “lovingly” tell them they are living in sin, of course it’s gonna come off pompous and judgy. Anyone would get defensive! In the same way Paul himself leans into defensiveness when others around him “lovingly call out” his bigotry in a polite way. Paul just got that moral hall monitor energy idk

Paul’s argument for blocking Tim was confusing like you mentioned…but I grew up very conservative Christian and that argument reminded me a lot of my own upbringing. Christian parents are very quick to block out/remove situations or content from their children’s lives in an attempt to “protect them” from the world, instead of have discussions and get to the root of why something or someone should be “avoided” or (even better) how to peacefully coexist with secular people/environments. The block button can be seen as the epitome of conservative Christians “bubble button” if that makes sense😅

Tim annihilated him!! And it was fabulous! I truly believe the Bible just like mythology, is not meant to be taken so literal! Loved Tim…I think the main thing that Tim showed, is how incredibly uneducated Paul and Morgan are and sorry well not sorry, even Paul made a comment about how “Tim was too educated”! I also think by those giggles Morgan has a little (crushie poo) Morgan!! 💝 anyway they need to go back to college for a couple years and take some literature, philosophy and sociology courses imo! 😅 B you’re looking lovely and glowing! 💕 💕 my win for the week? I’m a librarian who hadn’t read a book in two years!! (due to immense stress and leaving abuse) when my anxious and sad I can’t listen to music or read…and I FINALLY finished a book in four hours!! Essential Ingredients was a good read! Ha

It’s quite interesting to see someone who really knows and studies the Bible and someone who just assumes the parts of a book he likes are true

I don't understand refusing to recognize a fellow Christian who follows Jesus. Tim is married in a very traditional sense and does not appear to be living in unrepentant sin. Not saying that's the only way to be Christian, but Tim seems in line with Evangelicals in most ways.

Of course I could love a homosexual person and tell them their lifestyle was wrong if their lifestyle was wrong. Like if someone who happens to be gay was addicted to drinking and gambling and it was ruining their life and destroying their family, I would definitely tell them it was wrong to continue that lifestyle without getting help! Confused at how Morgan thinks that you can go against your Creator by being created in a certain way. Who else would have created you that way??

This so clearly shows Paul's lack of education on the bible as a historical text. Whether or not your believe the Bible is the inerrant and holy word of God, there are still historical facets of the bible that are just factually true, like the fact that all the different books were written during different time periods and for different purposes. We wouldn't take a text from the 1700s and a text from today and interpret them the same way (think of all the modern people today who are confused about the works of Shakespeare, for example), and we shouldn't do that with the Bible either.

Excited for this reaction! Also excited for your reaction to Bethany and ZOTS and maybe the accompanying drama with the fundie snark subreddit

I just want to say thank you for being transparent about the fear and panic “eternal” life brings up in you. I grew up in a Christian faith and that was the first concept I remember hitting me reaaaaal wrong. I started unpacking my afterlife beliefs in the last few months and it is TROUBLING. It’s really made me understand why religion is even a thing. It’s deep and dark and daunting for me. I appreciate you! Always nice to have a reminder that we aren’t alone

It’s really problematic and culturally appropriative for Paul to find Hebrew text to be authorative Scripture but not consider at all the ways that the actually people whose heritage it is would interpret it

45:02 in the reaction video he did with his wife, Tim said how this part and talking about his body made him very uncomfortable

Paul gets off on trying to dunk on Morgan for not being a virgin when they were married. He is a creep!

Does Paul never use literary devices? I highly doubt he’s ever carried a large wooden cross anywhere. So, am I right in saying that May 27 is your birthday? That’s my mother’s birthday. And my best friend’s birthday. And Henry Kissinger’s birthday… anyway happy birthday! My Win for the Week… I’m a lot less feverish than I was earlier in the week.

You are truly glowing, pregnancy definitely agrees with you! 💚

The interruptions are driving me bananas. I once argued like this when I was a teenager but even if I did agree the guest is so articulate and able to defend his beliefs, that’s admirable

I mildly ponder on how Paul & Morgan are when camera is off

I’ve also read that the creation story is also set up as a poem meaning that it wasn’t taken literally but something passed down

Tim: points out how obsessed evangelicals are with sex Paul: denies it Also Paul: doubles down and quotes more scripture about sex and sexual immorality 🙄

1:02:13 this conversation is interesting because as university in religious studies about Judaism it was said that ancient people did in fact have a solid sense of the metaphor and myth vs reality. But during that period they didn’t feel the need to make a differentiation because the cultural importance was equal

Paul thinks the Bible speaks for itself. But it's a collection of ancient books. It's arrogant for us to assume we can just read it and understand it without any knowledge of the history and culture of the ancient people who wrote it down.

Happy 30th!! My win for the week was treating myself and my boyfriend to a date with delicious food.

I’ve been waiting for your Zelph reaction, can’t wait! Happy birthday 🎉

It’s so frustrating talking to fundamentalists because when you get down to the core tenets of some of their beliefs you realize how immoral they really are. Fighting against certain groups of people to not have human rights because of something they can’t change about themselves is just flat out wrong. But they never see it that way. Even though I’m not a Christian myself and I disagree with a lot of stuff they believe I never want to take that away from them. How can they not see how hypocritical they are?

Girl, you’re glowing!! You look so pretty

To sum up: this is an hour and a half of Paul just not listening.

Forgot my win of the week: spouse and i went to an amazing marriage workshop with licensed counselors this weekend

I would respect Paul more if he came to the table with the level of research Tim did. Paul could easily find theologians, maybe even a few research studies that agree with him but he comes with "the Bible says," not even verses and context, while Tim comes with this expert and this study and this verse and the context of the verse. I was hoping Paul would learn through this series, even if he just dug into research supporting his own ideas to defend himself on camera, but it doesn't seem like he has done that at all.

It's kind of weird that Paul didn't mention that Jesus standard when it came to marriage basically was: if you are married now, stay married. But if you are not married now, do NOT get married because the end is at hand. Same thing with children. Marriage and children are for those who cannot stay celibate. If you are interested in sexuallity and the bible I would recommend Jennifer Bird. She is a bible scholar, has written books on the topic, and she has a youtube channel that goes by her name if you want to find her.

I love Tim!!!!!! Loving seeing this. Thank you!!! Paul is aloof cos he can't actually respond properly. He can't match Tim!

I really love your honesty about the fear of eternal life, that was my big first sticking point with deconstruction, it makes me feel incredibly anxious as well. thanks for sharing about that. I don't identify as christian anymore but I really enjoy watching your content about these things and these looks at how you're able to still so fully enjoy and get value from your faith while still also having a lot of the same things in your head that were sort of "shelf breakers" for me to use the exmormon slang for it. I think that's really cool

I really like this guy. I am glad they did this one

Though yes, frustrating? I don’t find Tim as soo closed off? He seems to really think before he speaks and hear Paul out, where as Paul just jumps…Tim may not agree but he HEARS him..sadly, I think Morgan isn’t the sharpest tool in the shed. I still found the conversation super interesting!! Tim’s intelligence sparks my brain! But when I listen to Paul and Morgan alone? I feel my IQ drop…I also find Paul’s returning back to the topic of homosexuality repeatedly….oddly closeted and interesting..he’s just sooo full of WANTING to be ale to hate a group of people!😢 and yes Paul you’re totally obsessed with sex!!!

I find it odd for any Christian to not be a universalist; it implies that Jesus wasn’t strong enough to accomplish his goal or that God isn’t strong enough. An imperfect human obviously can’t forgive Hitler but God can. Imagine if Hitler was literally your son, that’s how God feels about him but more. He might be atoning or suffering for a millions of years but that’s fine, he’s got all the time in eternity to pay for his crimes and have a divinely inspired change of heart.

Oh im so excited you're reacting to this! 🙌🫶

I'm so glad that I'm queer. I grew up in a fundamentalist home who was taught to believe that the Bible was THE word of God and to read the majority of passages LITERALLY and our form of "research" was reading other translated Bibles-no original language studies, no scholarly texts and interpretations, no looking into the history or culture-none of that... The one "sin" that always bugged me WAS being homosexual because all the other sins were affecting and harming others and/or yourself (stealing, taking people's lives, lying on others for malicious reasons, etc.), but loving another person was supposed to be a sin? And as I got older and couldn't suppress my queer identity any longer, that was the final straw that broke the camel's back for me as I started to ACTUALLY study the Bible and look up research papers on it and the original wording of it, which started my journey of breaking out of the fundamentalist mindset and beliefs.

Happy belated birthday B💙 I hope you have a beautiful and blessed year 🎉

Happy birthday, B! 🎉 I turn 30 in July, I’m ready for it too. Be gone, 20s! My win for the week is that I got a promotion & a raise at work 😊 I watched TNE’s reaction to P&M’s 24 Hours With video. It was glorious watching Tim’s wife decide not to say anything at all because she couldn’t think of anything non-dehumanizing to say 😂 really appreciate both you & Tim’s educated viewpoints.

I think it's going to be so interesting watching you react to Zelph & Dav & Bethy and compare Bethanys views now and how they changed with Paul and Morgan (in general, but specifically in regards to queer folks) since she and P&M came from a very similar place

Love you B! Happy pride month everyone!

I’m not even Christian and if I was Paul I would be shaking in my boots 😂😂 Tim knows what he’s talking about Towards the end of this video it’s like Paul is just asking him questions to try and get him to admit something, like a gotcha, and Tim is just not biting

The difference is that Tim has some critical thinking skills and is willing to wrestle with scripture. Paul is told to believe certain things and doesn't question it.

Whoa!!! Thank you for pausing to explain more about the MD/AOG/men's conference scandal. I only saw those first few clips and didn’t realize that more drama went on behind the scenes!!

Wow I’ve never heard of Tim before but I really like him

Tim you are so impressive… I always learn so much from you. Thank you

The part of Adam that Tim is talking about is in reference to the book The Lost World of Genesis 1 I believe. This was one of the pivotal moments in deconstruction (realizing the nuances of the Bible and it's more complex due to not understanding Hebrew and the translation).

My win for the week: i got to cuddle my sisters cat! It was nice because it was the 1 year anniversary of my own kitty passing on.