Part 1: Fast, Present, Future: 1967 Lotus 49 vs. 2013 Corvette ZR1

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RoadandTrack

RoadandTrack

11 жыл бұрын

Join Alexander Rossi as he drives Jim Clark's 1967 Lotus 49 Formula 1 car and the Chevrolet Corvette ZR1 at the Circuit of the Americas for the May 2013 issue of Road & Track.
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@TonyTube407
@TonyTube407 11 жыл бұрын
Where does the vs. part happen?
@jockellis
@jockellis 3 жыл бұрын
This question was answered in the middle ‘60s when an 18-year old Udo Schutz took a 2 liter Porsche 904 around the Nurburgring about 8 seconds faster than Juan Manuel Fangio ever did in his F1 career that ended about 8 years prior to Schutz’s fast lap.
@lilmarshey
@lilmarshey 11 жыл бұрын
I would take the lotus any day
@Kneedragon1962
@Kneedragon1962 10 жыл бұрын
Well, that's a bit disappointing.... Who won? I don't know, but I'll take a punt. If the Lotus 49 was on good, newish tyres, I think it would still be quite a bit quicker than a current Corvette. But if the tyres came out of the museum with the rest of the car, then it would come down to what circuit (what KIND of circuit) was chosen. Actually, after thinking about it for a few minutes, finding a venue that would truly test both cars would be quite difficult.
@Kneedragon1962
@Kneedragon1962 10 жыл бұрын
***** LOL There was a part 2? Takes all the fun out of it ....
@danieldravot341
@danieldravot341 2 жыл бұрын
If the same driver is in both cars, I think the Lotus must come out on top based on power to weight ratio.
@MartinHarvey
@MartinHarvey 6 жыл бұрын
Why the clip of John Surtees? He never drove a 49.
@brucemcgeehan8255
@brucemcgeehan8255 3 жыл бұрын
Cheep nasty us sports car
@brucemcgeehan8255
@brucemcgeehan8255 3 жыл бұрын
Ford dfv is English not us
@feraraujo27
@feraraujo27 9 жыл бұрын
Cadê o pega?
@elmonte5lim
@elmonte5lim 3 жыл бұрын
a muscle car that goes around corners? the world just turned upside down.
@Dutil48
@Dutil48 11 жыл бұрын
Why is there a "vs" in the title of this vid? I saw no race between the cars there!! sux big time.
@username6333
@username6333 11 жыл бұрын
Why only 2 minutes?
@arkhsm
@arkhsm 11 жыл бұрын
Part 2 has the not so mighty Chev Knocked Out by the super fit miniature grandad !!!
@eugenewhite7090
@eugenewhite7090 11 жыл бұрын
UMMMMMM Nice facts but Why TF was there NO comparison of THESE 2 Cars U had on this video WTF
@thorandmoljnir
@thorandmoljnir 11 жыл бұрын
I've loved cars for over 30 years and I think the sound of the ZR1 at full throttle is the finest sounding motor ever built.
@gregbrindley5736
@gregbrindley5736 11 жыл бұрын
More like an advert than a serious story
@bobm2637
@bobm2637 2 жыл бұрын
I disagree. It's interesting to know what the ZR1 will turn at COTA, not to mention knowing what the Lotus will turn. But, as one commenter pointed out, it's pretty important to know about the tires on the Lotus. That could make all the difference, although it's hard to imagine that R&T would send Rossi out in a car with ancient tires. Or that Rossi would drive at speed if they did.
@Fun4n01
@Fun4n01 11 жыл бұрын
cool but.., you broke it down into less than 2:00 parts? (smh)
@michaelpaulos420
@michaelpaulos420 2 жыл бұрын
I don't know what your point is at all?
@pyfutura07
@pyfutura07 11 жыл бұрын
The F1 cars I like- mid engine, no aero
@dorianshepard2841
@dorianshepard2841 11 жыл бұрын
Jim Clark
@kakhak
@kakhak 11 жыл бұрын
Beautiful, sheen 60's car.
@Bensaves
@Bensaves 11 жыл бұрын
it has one thing that most modern supercars don't have, though. A H-pattern gearbox
@mtb7001
@mtb7001 11 жыл бұрын
at 1:07 does he say... Dick Clark ?
@bbb462cid
@bbb462cid 6 жыл бұрын
No. Have your ears checked. His says "Jim Clark". Two time F1 World Driving Champion and possibly the greatest natural talent to ever drive F1.
@geraldfordman7474
@geraldfordman7474 3 жыл бұрын
You rate the Chevy Corvette over the FORD GT? Are you kidding?
@BubbaSmurft
@BubbaSmurft 11 жыл бұрын
They make Corvettes in Austin? Huh.
@LeoWuerde
@LeoWuerde 2 жыл бұрын
The Lotus 49/Chassis R2 is the holy grail of F1 cars, because it was driven by the greatest driver of all times: JIM CLARK, he is still today "The Best of the Best". No doubt. 8.04 pole time on the old classic Nurburgring, 22,8 km, in 1967, before the track changes in the year 1970. Out of this world. A Corvette or other cars in this range has never a chance against a 600 KG F1 car with 410 hp - ridiculos to compare a Corvette with a racecar like the classic Porsche 904, middle engine, highend chassis vs. a F1 front motor design from the fifties....day and night, man....like a rabbit against a Grizzly......
@flynmid
@flynmid 11 жыл бұрын
2 minutes because they get more $ from advertising the more videos they make
@roddydiaz1090
@roddydiaz1090 2 жыл бұрын
Lotus all day.
@sherrigaskin5656
@sherrigaskin5656 3 жыл бұрын
I didn't see the point
@doctorcountersteer6580
@doctorcountersteer6580 Жыл бұрын
Certainly a formidable opponent, but let's just compare a moped to a Panigale!!!
@bbb462cid
@bbb462cid 9 жыл бұрын
There's no way the Lotus 49 is being driven as aggressively as the Corvette. I'm sorry but not only were the 49s skittish and difficult to master- one needed to be a Jimmy Clark or a Graham Hill to master them, and Rossi is a fine driver but he doesn't have the cockpit time to master the 49- but the 49s were also fragile cars. Clark's suspension broke more than once, and he was famously easy on his cars. Whereas Hill driving the 49 would need new tires and brakes after practice, Clark's car wouldn't. Take the 'vette to Zandvoort or Kyalami and beat Clark's best time in the Lotus 49 with it. If you can.
@kyongslist
@kyongslist 7 жыл бұрын
fragile? by what standards? you dont win a world championship with a fragile car..... period. Clearly you read to much typical journalism or sensationalist but otherwise generally inaccurate accounts of history. Obviously the DFV was not fragile, and the with the 49 pioneering a design that has literally been used entirely in Formula since then until present day, there wasn't any faulty design details in the car either.... silly.
@K2edg
@K2edg 5 жыл бұрын
@@kyongslist In theory your correct but in practice every one was using the DFV so if you managed it well you would win (F1 is a different world, they weren't looking for longevity just to finish a race), Jim Clark won so many races because he was gentle on the cars while still being fast...... the introduction of the DFV didn't eliminate mechanical faults during the race, you can't run a 3lt engine at 11000 rpm making 500hp in the late 60's without it being unreliable so what they used to do is use that for qualifying and then drop the limiter to about 8000 rpm (around 400hp) to make it last a race. There was also a rumor because Cosworth was born at Lotus (Both Costin and Duckworth were Lotus employees) Colin Chapman used to get 'special treatment' for example the DFV's that performed better on the dyno would go to Lotus and two seasons monopoly on the engine...... Then Colin Chapman him self said 'Any car which holds together for a whole race is too heavy' when the 49 came out with the engine used as a part of the structure it was 10 years ahead of it's time and as soon as they fixed all the reliability issues to finish a race the car cleaned up. Touch naive imho to think a 50+ year old F1 car worth millions is going to be driven 10 tenths......
@bbb462cid
@bbb462cid 3 жыл бұрын
@@kyongslist I am so sorry to have not realized you replied. I never said there was "faulty design" in anything but if you want an example of "faulty design", let's talk about wing failures. I said it was fragile. You want examples in a world championship car? OK then, Hill's car retired *one third of the time it raced F1 in 1968* which was Hill's Championship year in the 49. Robust cars do not retire 3 times in 9. In addition I did not talk about the DFV. I talked about the Lotus 49. I did not cite journalism or sensationalism. You just take a look at the times a 49 failed and why. I cited the *fact* that Jimmy Clark- who was famously easy on his cars- had the suspensions break on 49s. That is *fact* not sensationalism. Robust cars do not break when driven gently. Just who are you to tell me that I am citing sensationalist journalism when I quote facts to you? I am using in part the standards of races in which the car had to retire. Hill retired in 7 of 8 races in the 49 in 1967. Jimmy Clark retired in 3 out of 9 races driving the 49 in 1967. Neither of the other Lotus drivers finished a SINGLE race in a 49 in 1967. Conversely, BT24s retired twice in 1967: Once by Jack Brabham and once by Denis Hulme. Each driver completed 7 of 8 races they entered and that is precisely how Hulme was WDC in 1967. I am also using the standards by which other F1 cars were designed and built, and which won many races without being so fragile. I am also using driver's statements and if you read this and wnat to see what they said, go to Google and spend an hour on a legit attempt to find some. Now tell me some more about sensationalism and journalism. By all means we can talk about the number of times it retired in subsequent seasons: 33% of the time for Hill in '69, 60% of the time for Rindt in the same season. Crunch those numbers for me and then tell me more about the journalism I subscribe to.
@sanjursan
@sanjursan 11 жыл бұрын
Seriously? On any reasonable circuit the Lotus would beat it by :20 - :30 sec per lap. The ZR1 wouldn't even have a chance against a vintage Formula Ford.
@brennancattermole3898
@brennancattermole3898 6 жыл бұрын
Let be honestly that corvet is the only choice they had cuz anything else would fall apart or would take 10 mins to do a lap😂😂😂
@1010thechamp
@1010thechamp 11 жыл бұрын
Sounds like my fart after eating a kebab
@pdmatthews6634
@pdmatthews6634 3 жыл бұрын
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@jacksmith4460
@jacksmith4460 5 жыл бұрын
Yeh it was a ford engine , but fuck sake, tuned by cosworth in a chassis built by lotus, driven by a Scott and an Englishman that was a "hanging by a thread" grab at, and there were other more direct US involvements in F1 in the past. It was a US engine block, and that its a feather in the cap, but you guys actually had a few decent drivers in its time, but the engine in F1 was a pan atlantic project for sure, without either Ford or Cosworth, that record would never have stood,and of course Lotus Clarke and Hill, so Its a majority British exploit with limited US involvement, the GT40 in LM though, that was LEGIT a huge US sports car success (bloody stunning to look at too), WRX multiple times, which in my view IS the ultimate test of car and driver maybe. There was not the F1 vehicle success from cars pov but some good drivers and yes a very good engine block, probably being a bit harsh, but I do wonder why someone like Penske dont team up with Ford and have a real Go at F1 im sure if Ford put some money in to back it they could do something, and with a choice of some of the best tuning houses , shelby regards US and cosworth global(uk) which would be likely as most f1 design happens UK (even some of the italian and french teams design here) but regardless with a company like Ford and their racing pedigree and of course F1 engine track record, it would REALLY piss Ferrari off,
@Gargleon
@Gargleon 11 жыл бұрын
Corvette one of the most impressive supercars on the market? lolno, the only reason it got chosen here is because it's American.
@senatorjosephmccarthy2720
@senatorjosephmccarthy2720 6 жыл бұрын
Not being a hater, but I could understand few of the narrator's words because of the timing of the engine sounds coinciding with his speaking, then the background "music". Thumbs down.
@TroystonB
@TroystonB 2 жыл бұрын
By the time the 49 was replaced it had a lot more downforce than it did in 67. in 67 it was pure mechanical grip.
@ethownzbh
@ethownzbh 11 жыл бұрын
for more views probably lol
@darnhard
@darnhard 11 жыл бұрын
ratings hog , broke it down into small bits can someone join them up plz...
@ambumanzo
@ambumanzo 11 жыл бұрын
revshare
@1beck2en3ham
@1beck2en3ham 5 жыл бұрын
Lotus F1 will win because 1.It's lighter. 2.Corvette's suspension is not good. At 0.19 the front wheel lose traction.
@TheAhriman
@TheAhriman 3 жыл бұрын
title is missleading. thumbs down!
@doctorcountersteer6580
@doctorcountersteer6580 Жыл бұрын
What an embarrassing travesty to pair these cars up on a track! The 'Vette would not have had a CHANCE even if it were a Lingenfelter!!!!
@Metal-Possum
@Metal-Possum 10 жыл бұрын
The choice of an American car as a competitor is a hilarious. This is the same country that couldn't put independent suspension on a Camaro in the factory until God knows when... American engineering is years behind the rest of the world, it's crude, lacking elegance, and horribly under developed.
@skyscall
@skyscall 8 жыл бұрын
That's the "American" style; crude and underdeveloped. Thanks to a lack of electronics, some crazy things have been achieved; like a Hummer that can nearly drive underwater (no electronics to short out), or a dragster that reaches 300 MPH before you finish reading this sentence (no transmission to break).
@senatorjosephmccarthy2720
@senatorjosephmccarthy2720 6 жыл бұрын
Alex Paulsen + You sound like one of the foolish women. Corvette has been, in some years, the best handling. Your envy is showing. We didn't see you on the moon.
@sultanabran1
@sultanabran1 5 жыл бұрын
@@senatorjosephmccarthy2720 best handling? haha ok. if it wasn't for the germans, americans would never have gotten into space.
@Bowseefuss101
@Bowseefuss101 5 жыл бұрын
@@sultanabran1 I mean the latest ZR1 ACCIDENTALLY set laptime records but ok
@michaelfrench5814
@michaelfrench5814 4 жыл бұрын
The Americans,had sooooo little to do with that cosworth ford, it’s untrue, yanks stop bragging, cosworth took a Ford v8 and transformed it beyond recognition, and then Colin Chapman and Lotus, not only built the chassis around the engine, they used the engine as part of the chassis. Stop bragging yanks! It was like handing a basket of food to Gordon Ramsey and his team and them playing up a 3 Michelin star meal. Then saying the veg was grown in New York State.
@TheLRider
@TheLRider 3 жыл бұрын
Ha, ha and my mate worked at Hethel when they developed the first Z version of the Corvette at Lotus, that was when GM briefly owned Lotus. Under the skin it was all Lotus engineering.
@danieldravot341
@danieldravot341 2 жыл бұрын
Mike, I’m not sure what the point of your yammering is, but the Cosworth DFV came from a clean sheet of paper. You make it sound like they took an existing engine and slapped twin-cam heads on it. Other than Ford USA owning Ford UK, I don’t know what American bragging you’re going on about.
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