Part Four: The Terrible Secret of Steve Jobs | BEHIND THE BASTARDS

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Behind the Bastards

Behind the Bastards

2 ай бұрын

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Part Four: The Terrible Secret of Steve Jobs | BEHIND THE BASTARDS
Ed and Robert conclude the epic story of Steve Jobs with a look at how his peculiarities determined the shape and horrible abusive nature of much of the modern consumer electronics industry.
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There’s a reason the History Channel has produced hundreds of documentaries about Hitler but only a few about Dwight D. Eisenhower. Bad guys (and gals) are eternally fascinating. Behind the Bastards dives in past the Cliffs Notes of the worst humans in history and exposes the bizarre realities of their lives. Listeners will learn about the young adult novels that helped Hitler form his monstrous ideology, the founder of Blackwater’s insane quest to build his own Air Force, the bizarre lives of the sons and daughters of dictators and Saddam Hussein’s side career as a trashy romance novelist.
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@Ranakel
@Ranakel 2 ай бұрын
He was so against right to repair he was against the repair of his own body until it was too late.
@zacharythorp6095
@zacharythorp6095 9 сағат бұрын
The right to repair was as thing people fought for, and got a law to allow, with car companies in the 1960's and 70's. I think the next big front of this, if it ever happens, with be with biotech crops such as Monsanto, where you can currently be sued for "growing their crop" that resulted from wind pollination.
@wegriz5570
@wegriz5570 2 ай бұрын
The new EU law that makes companies be required to have easliy repalaceable batteries is great, especially if it makes Jobs turn in his grave or churns his ashes idk
@fordesponja
@fordesponja 2 ай бұрын
I had to buy a new phone 4 months ago because my 4 year old phone was lasting less and less. But sum the price of the specific battery that is not in production anymore to the cost of handling and you end up spending more changing the battery than buying a new phone. The craziest thing is 10 years ago this was only the case if you had an Iphone, every other phone had removable batteries. I hope when my new phone kicks the bucket we will have phones with removable batteries again.
@HyenaDandy
@HyenaDandy 2 ай бұрын
Also I hate that term 'reality distortion field.' Because like... I dunno, man. Back in my day, we called that 'Being a good liar.'
@nicholasmacdonald1
@nicholasmacdonald1 2 ай бұрын
Yes… But as Kierkegaard noted, the world wants to be deceived.
@HyenaDandy
@HyenaDandy 2 ай бұрын
@@nicholasmacdonald1*The world wants to be reality distorted.
@brandonthesteele
@brandonthesteele Ай бұрын
It has more to do with being lucky than being skilled at deception.
@sholem_bond
@sholem_bond Ай бұрын
Or, "conning* people (and then buying your own con)." (*Specifically conning, lying, manipulating, gaslighting, emotionally abusing, and sort of making yourself low-key a cult leader... but yeah.)
@dhatfield8411
@dhatfield8411 2 ай бұрын
He claimed she wasn't his multiple times, didn't feel any obligation to take care of her or her mom, and cut off her college aid without telling her, forcing his neighbors to pick up the slack after they saw how he treated her. "I owe you one.". He was a shitty person to the very end.
@joelopez7459
@joelopez7459 6 күн бұрын
that's a trademark narcissist move btw
@Ma660t5andw1ch
@Ma660t5andw1ch 2 ай бұрын
Applause to Sophie for the very subtle U2 follow up that Robert missed - “I could go “with or without” 😂
@jacksonmahr8915
@jacksonmahr8915 2 ай бұрын
An interesting correlation between not wanting surgeons to cut him open and not allowing consumers to open his products.🤔
@Ulubai
@Ulubai 2 ай бұрын
I have a feeling if someone told Steve that sewing his asshole shut would help his body process bad mucus he would have probably done it
@AndrewEwzzyRayburn
@AndrewEwzzyRayburn 2 ай бұрын
Was Sophie saying "I could go with or without" a U2 reference?
@fredericksmith7942
@fredericksmith7942 2 ай бұрын
Holy shit. She fucking slid one past him. He didn’t even notice.
@justinwatson1510
@justinwatson1510 2 ай бұрын
Sliding Pop culture references past Robert doesn't seem like it would be a difficult thing to do.
@direktive4
@direktive4 2 ай бұрын
whoaaaaaaohhhhhohhh
@seanhall8686
@seanhall8686 2 ай бұрын
She moves in mysterious ways...
@kennethmoore7770
@kennethmoore7770 2 ай бұрын
The idea that the Chinese government stepped in protect workers' rights is wild.
@sholem_bond
@sholem_bond Ай бұрын
Although I feel like the answer isn't "hire fewer temps," but instead maybe "extend any current legal protections for permanent workers to also cover temps, so they get abused and exploited less." Also "use the funds that would normally go to suicide nets to improve worker living conditions/amenities so they feel less suicidal." Also also, "kill the planned obsolescence model with fire and create sustainable personal devices." (I know this is the kind of complaint you could also extend to the US's minimal regulations about working conditions; I'm just saying, I feel like the most obvious legal solution here was overlooked, maybe intentionally. I am a [former] temp worker, though not at a murder factory in the PRC, so I'm biased. (It just sucks that almost none of the normal worker protections/benefits apply to temps, apparently even in China.)
@hank_says_things
@hank_says_things 2 ай бұрын
"Stink Different™️" was *right there.*
@Lewbee
@Lewbee 2 ай бұрын
I can't be believe Sophie would try and guilt Robert over the Dune popcorn bucket, everyone knows that the Shai-Hulussy is not a jealous lover.
@RvEijndhoven
@RvEijndhoven 2 ай бұрын
Take my like and get out. (Or stay, I'm not the boss of you)
@RatchetSly
@RatchetSly Ай бұрын
Going Muadeep in the Shaihulussy
@kbr517
@kbr517 2 ай бұрын
Good conversation. One observation: another potential way to keep the product costs down for average consumers with less exploitation could be to address the disproportionate executive pay, marketing costs, and profit margins.
@marocat4749
@marocat4749 2 ай бұрын
Hmm, But how will the poor poor ceos get more money to more money they will ever need , the ceos of that companies i mean. Also yeah apple could be as culty with less marketing expenses
@cartilagehead6326
@cartilagehead6326 2 ай бұрын
John Carmack wrote a thing a few years ago about meeting with Jobs various times over the years for various reasons, and one of the things that doesn’t get talked about enough WRT Macs and gaming and the whole Mac/PC divide was that Jobs, especially in the 90s/2000s really didn’t think highly of games at all. He bought into the idea that they were all too violent and stupid and distracting and were dumbing people down, and he was happy to position the Mac as an erudite alternative for choosy parents who would rather their kids use the computer for creative or educational pursuits than for playing shooters. This is a big reason why stuff like GPU performance was never prioritized and Apple basically had zero contact with the gaming space between the period of time after MS bought Bungie (a story in and of itself, but Halo started out as a Mac game) and the iOS era.
@PerfectAgent
@PerfectAgent 11 күн бұрын
I wonder why he failed so hard to sell computers to a group of people who grew up playing Oregon Trail and Where in the World is Carmen Sandiego on their school's Apple2Cs? Huh, a mystery.
@thomashenry4798
@thomashenry4798 2 ай бұрын
I am a Sysadmin, I have worked with macs in a development and enterprise capacity. I hate them with the fury of a thousand fiery suns and I will tell you all about it at the first excuse.
@fish3977
@fish3977 2 ай бұрын
Hey, at least theyre unix-like!
@thomashenry4798
@thomashenry4798 2 ай бұрын
@@fish3977 their POSIX compliance will not save them from my wrath.
@RvEijndhoven
@RvEijndhoven 2 ай бұрын
Can you elaborate on that?
@thomashenry4798
@thomashenry4798 2 ай бұрын
@@RvEijndhovenYou fool! You know not what you have done! Why yes. I can. So having never used an apple product before in my life except for the all-in-one Macintosh monitor/computer combo meal in elementary school in the 90s, it wasnt until my company told me they told a customer they support macs. Thus we need new OSx Virtual Machines in our development labs. The issue with this is that VMWare has announced that they no longer support Apple hardware from Vsphere 7.0 and above. In order to run OSx VMs without breaking Apple TOS, and thus exposing my small company to potential law suits, we need to purchase apple hardware. It is relatively easy once you know what to do, to create a customized ESXi hypervisor ISO. The issue is that the instructions are rather buried in some rather old forum posts. So we purchased a Mac Mini to use as our hypervisor server. Normally its possible to go into the boot menu on this thing easy. But for whatever reason I had to play a game where I am hot swapping monitors whenever I had the bootable media inserted into the Mac Mini to get a picture. Which I had to learn the hard way and did so completely by accident. In addition the MacMini needed customized community made NVMe drivers, otherwise it could not see the internal storage media, and thus installation could not proceed. Apple also does not provide ISOs or a tool to make ISOs the way Windows does. You need to go onto an Apple laptop and download the flavor of OSx you want to install as a virtual machine, interrupt the installation (this is done via the app store), go into that package file, modify it, write it to an empty ISO file you had to create before hand and mount as writable media, and on top of all that once you stand up the VM and mount the ISO, it wont recognize the virtual disk drive as something it can write to unless you specifically format it before hand. Normally all of this is done automatically. Linux or Windows assumes that when you install to a drive, you know what you are doing and will warn you once that its going to erase and format the drive. It doesnt really care what is on the drive or how it is formatted it can do that itself. Its all security theater. Apple is a lovely experience so long as you are doing things Apple has approved you to do. The moment you set foot off of that paved garden path, you step into thorns and briars. To give further context, Gitlab, a large company with its own datacenters, decided it was easier for them to buy Mac Minis in bulk, shuck them like ears of corn, and stick the hardware into customized sleds in order to provide Mac compute on demand to their developers. Apple *hates* its developers. There is no way for an enterprise to easily support Mac at scale like you can with Linux or with Windows VMs.
@vylbird8014
@vylbird8014 Ай бұрын
I too have worked with macs in enterprise, and found it greatly annoying that every piece of infrastructure that we ran for the Windows desktops needed its own mac counterpart because it was half-compatible at best. And it wouldn't even fit in the racks - we had mac pros on the floor of the server room because by then the XServe was dead.
@user-my6mn8et9h
@user-my6mn8et9h 2 ай бұрын
Weird, I'm literally listening to this in a hospital bed and the guy next to me has the exact cancer Jobs had. To be that incredibly lucky and still squander it, the hubris is staggering
@portmantologist
@portmantologist 2 ай бұрын
As a massive prog nerd, I find Dark Side of the Moon a highly ironic choice of example for the benefit of iTunes selling single songs. You really need to hear the entire thing.
@f1mbultyr
@f1mbultyr 2 ай бұрын
ok boomer
@amberruby4896
@amberruby4896 2 ай бұрын
​@@f1mbultyr "Have I now become your enemy by telling you the truth?" (Gal 4:16) 😂😂😂
@vylbird8014
@vylbird8014 Ай бұрын
@@f1mbultyr Portmantologist is right on this one: Dark Side of the Moon is intended for listening start to end. The tracks are very different in musical style, but connected by a common theme and story. It is arguable the album that make pop music fit to address serious adult themes, rather than just something with a beat for the kids to bop to. DSOTM is an album about life, and the fears of aging - of financial struggles, the middle-age crisis when you realise you are suddenly forty and still haven't achieved fulfilment, the fear of aging, senility and death. Personally I don't think the rest of Pink Floyd's work is anything special, but that album has go down as one of the most powerful and influential compositions of musical history.
@westcoast1155
@westcoast1155 2 ай бұрын
I also question the intent of the apology, esp since his daughter mentioned it went past the point where she was uncomfortable. Sounds a lot more to me like Steve turning on the waterworks to blackmail some final absolution out of the kid he abused.
@RockSoup
@RockSoup 2 ай бұрын
"I owe you one."? Fuck that, you owed her WAY more than that. I wonder, did she benefit in his will in any way?
@majestical15
@majestical15 2 ай бұрын
1:07:29 Jobs messing up a survivable cancer is like messing up a cup of coffee. Black coffee ☕️
@delusionnnnn
@delusionnnnn 2 ай бұрын
"Embracing creatives" When I was in the military, I had a roommate who had recently bought a Mac IIci - a powerful, wonderful computer - I still had a C64 and not yet an Amiga 500, for reference. When he was in a particularly bad mood, he told me he had bought this because he thought his limited tools were what prevented him from expressing his creativity - I think he wanted to write either novels or poetry. Genuinely good dude, by the way. But when he had all the powerful tool he needed in the form of a new computer (which was also very expensive for the time), he beat himself up over not doing anything with it. I don't know what he's up to today, but I hope it involves a great deal of creative success.
@SuperSmashDolls
@SuperSmashDolls 2 ай бұрын
Sounds like an older iteration of "AI is democratizing creativity"
@delusionnnnn
@delusionnnnn 2 ай бұрын
@@SuperSmashDolls Well, he definitely bought into the hype, but this sort of GAS (Gear Acquisition Syndrome) of gathering expensive tools before trying to accomplish something with more limited means isn't unique to computers - you can't become a youtuber until you get a sweet 4K $5000 camera, you can't start really trying to cook until you get your Le Creuset cookware, you can't start woodworking until you get your $5,000 specialist lathe, you can't start hunting until you get a $2500 rifle, etc. There may have been a bit of fear of success, too - which is definitely a great way to self-sabotage, unfortunately.
@howwitty
@howwitty 2 ай бұрын
Hey, have you read Kathleen Hicks' dissertation: "Change Agents Who Leads and Why in the Execution of US National Security Policy"? It's very creative.
@jehoshaphattremainsk.s.c9796
@jehoshaphattremainsk.s.c9796 2 ай бұрын
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@hellbreakfast1590
@hellbreakfast1590 2 ай бұрын
I started tearing up a bit about Jobs talking to his daughter on his deathbed. I only have empathy for her. As the child of a similarly narcissistic, but much less lucky individual, I know I'll not get that sorry, and I don't goddamned want it. Because it won't be real. The "reality distortion field" is purely a creation of a narcissist's nature. It isn't special, it's because they are a person with only the drive to get what they want, with the skill to read others and play into it. He's very fucking textbook in this regard, dude was some form of NPD. The cycle of morphing into what someone with any power might want, and being wildly abusive to those he perceives as underlings is classic, as well as seeing other humans as disposable. A lot of people don't understand why Woz was his friend. I know why. People like Woz, the sweet type, are often really vulnerable to the manipulations of people with NPD. It sucks.
@jamiefrontiera1671
@jamiefrontiera1671 2 ай бұрын
I will say on the Mac vs PC on creativity, in the early 2000s I was attending an art college Pratt institute. You could see it. All my graphic design friends were exclusively using Mac, as the programs at the time were better on Mac. I started as an architecture student. We were all using PC, because Autocad was better on pc(or rather all the architectural offices were still using pc). I had one professor who used Mac, and he mentioned the hoops he had to go through to get his files to companies he worked with who used pc's. When pc and Mac started working together, I'm sure there were tons of digital artists crying in releaf.
@tiffanymaxwell951
@tiffanymaxwell951 2 ай бұрын
My main takeaway from this episode is that Robert played HOMM III and that's very exciting to me and I want to know what his favourite town(s) to play were.
@andresmorera6426
@andresmorera6426 2 ай бұрын
Same.
@fordesponja
@fordesponja 2 ай бұрын
Undead for life, black knights were so cool
@tiffanymaxwell951
@tiffanymaxwell951 2 ай бұрын
@@fordesponja Necropolis or Tower
@damejanea.macdonald2371
@damejanea.macdonald2371 2 ай бұрын
If Lisa Brennan-Jobs didn't become an author, we might never have truly known the depths of Steve's evil.
@MarkSynthesis
@MarkSynthesis 2 ай бұрын
"The market for these was not people who liked technology." I think if you learned how to use a home computer outside the United States, or the Anglophone world, the actual situation was more like, "The market for these was not people who liked to use home computers." The second half of the 1990s, against the massive expansion of home computing globally, saw Apple's combined share of that market go from a highly competitive position to...sub 10%? And even after creating a cultural cache empire, they never brought it back up over 20%? For a very long time, "Apple computing" as a unified software ecosystem was just not a fixture of so much of the world (basically the entire Sinophone world, where I learned to use a computer) and surrendered completely to the IBM compatibles and, at the periphery, the descendants of Unix. Even Apple's own language--"I'm a Mac, and I'm a PC," seemed like a forced acknowledgement that they no longer made the computers used in +80% of the world, and accordingly, about the same percentage of software (unless you limited yourself to only the United States) wasn't being developed for an increasingly esoteric platform standard. How much of that is Job's "fault" (again, if you're not from that "western" school of computing, Apple's history of product lines aren't automatically more "enticing" than any other manufacturers, though they are more expensive) is hard to say, given his absence and reappearance; then again, the same thing happened with Android completely displacing iPhone in those same markets (excluding Japan I think?). Presumably if he were still around, he'd just...blame his daughter, or something. - Signed, a Taiwanese national (you know, the country that gave the world Honhai Industrial i.e. Foxconn)
@marocat4749
@marocat4749 2 ай бұрын
And not saying samsung isnt evil, and owning legit a huge junk of south korea, but they dont do culty gatekeeping and more affortable and less exclusive. Moon channels video on south korea is interesting, like better than north korea any day, but oh boy, and it starts with how the gender wars there got so bad but goes into south koreas pretty intoristing modern history in that 2 parter. Also funny inbetween for levity.
@sarahhirsch8919
@sarahhirsch8919 2 ай бұрын
I dunno if I've ever heard another episode where a guest brought a clip to read about the bastard in question. Good times!
@sarahhirsch8919
@sarahhirsch8919 2 ай бұрын
Also, excellent Elon Musk impersonation. 💯
@EroticWhale
@EroticWhale 2 ай бұрын
When they said he personally met with Obama my only thought was, do you think that he bathed before he met with the president? Cause my head cannon is that the he doesn't as some sort of power play lmao.
@Zycyzyx
@Zycyzyx 2 ай бұрын
The funniest thing about that Herzog story is he doesn't even bring it up because of how ridiculous, extreme or horrifying that situation was. It's because it made Kinski upset that he was momentarily out of the center of attention.
@brianeland
@brianeland 2 ай бұрын
"Speaking of turtlenecks..." made my bloody week. Thank you.
@RO8YO
@RO8YO 2 ай бұрын
IDK, the more you lean about the filming of Fitzcarraldo... Sure Kinski was fucking unhinged, but Herzog's disregard for the safety of the film crew and extras was very bastardy.
@NotoriousLightning
@NotoriousLightning 2 ай бұрын
Was it the movie or The Making of Fitzcarraldo where someone learned to love again? I can't remember's not the same as I don't know. Virgin with a memoryyyyyyyyyyyyy!
@JONNYSORENSEN_AU
@JONNYSORENSEN_AU 2 ай бұрын
The Mussolini of Macs
@russelljackson2818
@russelljackson2818 2 ай бұрын
God that article was nauseating to listen to. The fact that people can seriously write such fawning prose for other human beings and not instantly die of shame is a defect in our biology.
@Jasper_the_Cat
@Jasper_the_Cat 2 ай бұрын
Stockton Rush is another example of getting caught in his own reality distortion field. It's just a pity he took others down with him. I think the reason why the story strikes a chord is that we all sense that the derangement of these powerful people is going to get us all killed eventually, if not entirely miserable.
@avocahdo2269
@avocahdo2269 2 ай бұрын
I feel so bad for laughing that his cancer was treatable but he was too arrogant to treat it. lol
@SuperSmashDolls
@SuperSmashDolls 2 ай бұрын
19:30 Actually this sounds *very* plausible to me. It's the whole "rules for thee, not for me" mentality. It's bad when Bill Clinton cheats but not when Steve Jobs does it. 40:35 "You will own nothing and be happy." ~ Steve Jobs, probably.
@AnthonyFlack
@AnthonyFlack Ай бұрын
Anybody who wanted to hear what Dark Side of the Moon sounds like only needed a radio and to wait 30 minutes.
@antivanti
@antivanti 2 ай бұрын
When people say "Streaming music killed the music industry" I loudly disagree. Me and most people I know went from spending $0 a year on music to $120 a year on Spotify subscriptions basically overnight. (I don't fraternize with people who use Apple products) Bad contracts giving most of that money to the labels instead of the artists is a big problem and the way Spotify shares the money is anohter problem (my subscription should be split among the artists I personally listen to) but it turned a dead business into something sustainable. The truth is that most pirates WANT to pay for the media they consume. As long as you provide a better service than piracy. Spotify did this. It looked like Netflix was going to do that but then the film and TV industry shot itself in the foot by transforming back into cable TV in disguise. Now that I have even more disposable income I buy A LOT of merch and vinyl records to support small artists (and because I have an addiction)
@redjirachi1
@redjirachi1 Ай бұрын
1:11:37-Basically you're saying that karma doesn't exist, but stuff like what happens to Steve Jobs gives the illusion it does
@Malprincess
@Malprincess 2 ай бұрын
4 parts?! Geez
@marocat4749
@marocat4749 2 ай бұрын
He is probably responsible that ther is effort to literally devices revet other parts from other devices to fix them, what a wanker. Like thats why toyota is so liked , and in third world countries so popular, and in general, most pards fit with other toyota parts and irs really easy to fix, or reuse, or salvage, thats good, thats a good thing.
@nicholasmacdonald1
@nicholasmacdonald1 2 ай бұрын
Toyota also doesn’t layoff all their workers during a lull in business- they pay them to stick around so they have idle factories ready to move when demand picks up.
@stuffz4040
@stuffz4040 2 ай бұрын
I really did find this podcast just in time
@Manyxe
@Manyxe 2 ай бұрын
40:16 not just generic parts, but genuine salvaged parts from otherwise broken iPhones as well.
@orchidrose1410
@orchidrose1410 2 ай бұрын
Didn’t know this was going to be a 4 parter! Yeah, I never liked Jobs, but that’s just because I’m a socialist and he was a rich jerk who stole wealth from his workers, but it’s nice to hear my hatred was more than justified ❤😂
@SesshyLover777
@SesshyLover777 2 ай бұрын
The way he disrupted Liz's life until the end just 😑
@cybercop0083
@cybercop0083 2 ай бұрын
I didn’t know you put this much thought into your video titles after „John Wayne: A dude who sucked“
@Riley-uy5pe
@Riley-uy5pe 2 ай бұрын
rich people really aren't human
@THEHAR0LD
@THEHAR0LD 2 ай бұрын
If we can convince Sony to re-release Captain Morbius and the Dance of Matt Smith, we can convince Elon Musk that he can treat whatever disease he has with AI.
@ericjohnson6105
@ericjohnson6105 2 ай бұрын
Jobs' ideal factory - get the workers in there, shut the doors and lock them, and pay them a penny a month.
@JONNYSORENSEN_AU
@JONNYSORENSEN_AU 2 ай бұрын
Chief Yells at Kids. the saga continues
@kaliver517
@kaliver517 Ай бұрын
I'm glad all the generations after mine will grow up not knowing what it's like to buy an album with two good songs you heard on the radio only to discover the rest of it is utter trash. Record labels managed to be singularly terrible for everyone involved other than the executive's compensation.
@HyenaDandy
@HyenaDandy 2 ай бұрын
You know when it comes to that "Just the idea of steve" article it's like... I'm almost happy to hear someone be honest there. Because like, so many of these fucking tech journalists WOULD have interviewed Steve... Then ignored the obviously awful corporate ghoul in front of them in favor of writing an article about the Idea of Steve.
@andrewpereira9271
@andrewpereira9271 2 ай бұрын
"What would Steve do?" That's good. Maybe it's time I switch from my tried and trusty, "What would Hitler do?"
@zhitchcresttail3387
@zhitchcresttail3387 2 ай бұрын
People joke about the Dune popcorn bucket, but us furries know Bad Dragon already beat the theaters to it 😂
@TurbopropPuppy
@TurbopropPuppy 2 ай бұрын
behind the bastards furry gang
@RatchetSly
@RatchetSly 2 ай бұрын
Ah, I'm at home in this thread.
@dry1197
@dry1197 2 ай бұрын
Lol
@waharadome
@waharadome 2 ай бұрын
What happened with bad dragon?
@davidblank420
@davidblank420 2 ай бұрын
I need therapy and all I did was read a comment.
@hpalpha7323
@hpalpha7323 2 ай бұрын
the one thing Steve was good at, he was an amazing salesman
@occamtherazor3201
@occamtherazor3201 2 ай бұрын
I don't think that Steve Jobs could have survived in many industries outside of Tech. On order to get away with acting the way he did, he needed to be surrounded by men with the temperament of tech nerds, to avoid getting punched in the face. Go ahead and act that way on an oil Derick. See if you don't get thrown off of the platform.
@sholem_bond
@sholem_bond Ай бұрын
I don't know if this is how it actually works, but: if I was rich and irresponsible enough to avoid traditional medical treatment until it was too late, and assuming this practice would happen whether I participated or not... I think instead of trying for one of the legal organ transplants, I might just buy a black market liver from an unethical funeral home/morgue worker and get an extra-legal transplant that way. (Again, assuming it's an alternative organ-transplant source (like, it was stolen postmortem by an unethical mortician or something, not stolen from a legitimate organ transplant service, or worse, stolen from a living person). (And assuming it was an organ that other people in need couldn't access, but I could due to my wealth... It would still be a bad thing to do, but at least I wouldn't be taking an organ that would otherwise go to a more deserving candidate on the transplant list?) But really I would simply get the surgery and treat my damn cancer. Surgery is a big deal, but compared to the cancer metastasizing and becoming terminal, it's not that big a deal.
@alonedownthere47
@alonedownthere47 2 ай бұрын
"I don't want my body to be violated" being your reasoning for letting yourself die of cancer is insane. Man really got cornered at the end. He thought he was Different ™
@roniusadethel9768
@roniusadethel9768 2 ай бұрын
Oh god, there's a part 4?
@dorpth
@dorpth 2 ай бұрын
Steve Jobs is the only nice thing you can say about pancreatic cancer.
@MatthewDoye
@MatthewDoye 2 ай бұрын
Hey, back in the day PDAs were a billion dollar market shipping millions of units a year and that's not including Blackberries which had less functionality but were connected. The smartphone took over the market because it could do more and forced PDAs into specialized niches. Now just one of those niches, the PDA barcode scanner is worth $2.5 billion. Apple could have owned the handheld market but they made a bad product, that's all.
@chrisblake4198
@chrisblake4198 2 ай бұрын
The flaw of the Newton was it came out too soon. If they'd iterated until they had better touch screens and at least pager technology, they would have beat Palm Pilot and Blackberry senseless before they got a foothold. Jobs second run at Apple was a success because he finally got the timing right for iMac, iPod, and iPhone.
@MatthewDoye
@MatthewDoye 2 ай бұрын
@@chrisblake4198 I agree. There were a bunch of companies working on the idea with rapidly improving screen technology and the performance improvements available from new CPUs with low power consumption. The stylus and Xerox's Unistroke software enabled PDAs to move away from keyboard based devices like the Psion 3. There was a killing to be made for the first to market with a successful product and Apple tried but failed. Others spent longer on development and got it right.
@lucarubinstein3907
@lucarubinstein3907 2 ай бұрын
I was obsessed with my mom’s palm pilot when I was a kid because of the handwriting function, but they weren’t trying to cater to children so I can’t say if that was a success lol
@seantracey9935
@seantracey9935 2 ай бұрын
And this is why I don't buy Apple products. I knew a lot of the stuff mentioned already, but wow, really evil shite.
@joelopez7459
@joelopez7459 6 күн бұрын
Calling it the LISA and denying it is so crazy
@CHGLongStone
@CHGLongStone 2 ай бұрын
F**k an iMac, I guess you don't remember the ports meme
@SnackFoodCentral
@SnackFoodCentral 2 ай бұрын
K but Dead Poet's Society is dope.
@matthewlawton9241
@matthewlawton9241 2 ай бұрын
I love you Sophie
@Horsemanray
@Horsemanray 8 күн бұрын
"Eat up Martha"
@stvinney
@stvinney Ай бұрын
iTunes didn't kill piracy for me It just gave me a nice ui to store the stuff i took and transfer it to my iPod which at the time was easily the best mp3 player What sucked about apple, for videos, was you needed to convert different video files Ive been an android man since 2010. Never bought an iPhone Used to like macs. They were cool in the early years of windows. Id never buy an imac today. They really nickel and dime. A hybrid drive in 2020 and still only 500GB? And to even be able to upgrade the ram, which btw has less than my current phone, you need to buy the more expensive model. And if you have Apple do it you're spending about what you'd pay for a midrange laptop or higher end depending on how much ram you want. It's insane I heard the new M1 chips are great but you're paying for it and you can build something faster for cheaper
@jeffnicholas6342
@jeffnicholas6342 2 ай бұрын
Had he lived, Jobs’ peak of ‘genius’ after the iPhone would look like an Einstein in the age of Quantum Theory You are brilliant, thank you, but we’ve moved on
@Daedalus117
@Daedalus117 2 ай бұрын
There are still very many games without a mac version.
@marocat4749
@marocat4749 2 ай бұрын
In all fairness, knowing a bit that that surveilence is where china is actually likely a forerunner, its probably not as hard use surveilence than try to better cnditios, cause they always worked on surveilence as forerunner. Its not as absurd as it sounds. Not that its in any way preventing but the logic makes sense from a cooperation that has forerunner surveilence.
@Nightstalker314
@Nightstalker314 Ай бұрын
They should have patented the anti-suicide nets as INets.
@DougGrinbergs
@DougGrinbergs 2 ай бұрын
45:49 Jobs/Apple vs right-to-repair, DFE design for the environment, circular economy ☹️😡
@cartilagehead6326
@cartilagehead6326 2 ай бұрын
I disagree that the G3 and even G4 era Macs are locked down like the newer ones. G3 Macs are incredibly easy to open up and work on, those hinge and chassis mechanisms are arguably the best in the biz of their time, a huge step up from the thumbscrews and sharp metal edges that were/are common on a lot of mass market and corporate PCs. The late 90s is also arguably the last hurrah of the Mac third party and mod business. I think the iPhone and to a much lesser extent the iPod really served as test cases for the walled garden approach which would come into its own on the Mac in the 2010s. Heck even in 2005-2020 you’ve got Intel Macs making Bootcamp/dual booting possible and Apple embracing that feature rather than locking it down.
@mind_onion
@mind_onion 2 ай бұрын
I'll never forgive apple for leveraging the iphone to kill flash rather than make it compatible, and thereby make the internet worse, as well as starting the trend of smart phones giving their users no control over anything.
@fish3977
@fish3977 2 ай бұрын
Flash was proprietary, led to bad design, and was demonstratebly unsafe. the world is beter off without it
@mind_onion
@mind_onion 2 ай бұрын
​@@fish3977 led to bad design? What are you talking about? Flash was super intuitive to a ton of the creatives apple purportedly cares about. People with very little experience were constantly making free video games with it, at a rate similar to people making youtube videos today. Apple chose to kill flash because they refused to support it on their iphone. Presumably because, yes, it was proprietary, and they couldn't stand having anything run on one of their devices they couldn't directly control. Tons of the internet was built using flash, and now it's just gone to the next generation. They'll never know what it was like, and even if some archival programs exist, younger people will likely never seek them out. And being unsafe can just be fixed with security updates, you're being silly. Adobe chose to stop supporting flash because a significant fraction of the internet wasn't using it, and that's because Steve Jobs publicly refused to allow it to work on his company's popular smart phone devices, despite significant pressure from consumers, who just wanted to use the internet.
@mind_onion
@mind_onion 2 ай бұрын
@@fish3977 Genuinely don't understand what you're talking about with regards to "bad design". Flash was intuitive for the creators apple claims to care about, we had free video games produced at the rate of tiktok and youtube videos! The security issues only required it be supported, everything has security issues, and it was only not supported because Apple chose not to let it run on their devices, presumably because they couldn't control it because it was proprietary. The internet with flash was a creative place where anything was possible, and people who came after will never experience it.
@kvdrr
@kvdrr Ай бұрын
​@@mind_onionIt's kind of ironic when you consider the fact that Apple's Safari has had more vulnerabilities found in it to date than Flash Player - 1436 vs 1084 to be exact
@shmehfleh3115
@shmehfleh3115 2 ай бұрын
Eat up Martha.
@chrisball3778
@chrisball3778 2 ай бұрын
Most CD albums were never £20.They were generally £10-£15 throughout the 1990's and early 2000's. There were also singles releases that cost £2-£4, which had 2-3 songs on them. American prices were a little lower once the exchange rate was taken into account. iTunes wasn't really any cheaper than buying CD's, but it was competitively priced and more convenient. It was also far more user-friendly than illegal downloads. Filesharing was free, but it was a messy process. You might have to wait for ages for obscure songs to turn up, and then they might be poor quality or be hosted by someone with a terrible internet connection so the song took forever to download. Sometimes songs would be mislabelled and you'd end up with something that wasn't by the artist it said it was, or was just a different song entirely from the one it was supposed to be. Eventually the record companies got smart and started flooding the most popular filesharing networks with fake songs. You'd spend half an hour downloading something and it'd turn out to be 3 minutes of silence or the song's intro on a loop (so that if you started the download and then previewed the first few seconds, to check if you were wasting your time, they'd get you anyway). iTunes cost about the same as buying records, but it did away with all the hassle of file sharing and in theory the artists got paid, so lots of people were happy to use it. The other advantage that MP3's had over CD's is that they were much better in portable devices. CD Walkmans were terrible. any vibration would cause them to skip, so you couldn't really use them while running and even rickety buses could ruin the experience. You could transfer your CD's to cassette and listen to them in a regular Walkman if you really wanted to listen to them while running or whatever, but that just added a whole new level of hassle. MP3 players did away with all that, especially after the iPod made them so user-friendly.
@xDanieL.A.F.x
@xDanieL.A.F.x 2 ай бұрын
Screw Heroes 3 man. 2 is the best. God, now I hate this podcast.😜
@mx338
@mx338 2 ай бұрын
Steve Jobs only stands out in his goblin ways, but if you look at this from a materialist perspective, all the awful practices of the tech industry would have happened sooner or later without him.
@captainoftheneverdie21
@captainoftheneverdie21 2 ай бұрын
The part I actually know... ha, skipped past his accomplishments, ha ha
@Oddity00
@Oddity00 2 ай бұрын
1st
@jonfeist1400
@jonfeist1400 2 ай бұрын
Why not make an actual video?
@jamesmelemede5610
@jamesmelemede5610 2 ай бұрын
bit over dramatic geez
@TheRealJamieEspy
@TheRealJamieEspy 2 ай бұрын
Dear ROBERT EVANS: LIKE, You have a problem saying LIKE LIKE every other word LIKE is LIKE. LIKE ,it is so LIKE annoying. LIKE it makes this podcast LIKE hard to listen to because LIKE you say LIKE LIKE a million times a sentence. LIKE, do you even realize it?? LIKE, it's hard not to because LIKE you say it LIKE every LIKE word LIKE LIKE LIKE LIKE LIKE........ Enough,man!!
@bk83082
@bk83082 2 ай бұрын
You research these topics extensively before presenting these episodes. Therefore, it's unnecessary to ask, "right?" a hundred times per episode. Is what you said right? I don't know, right?
@RatchetSly
@RatchetSly 2 ай бұрын
Verbal tics!
@ChewyThomson
@ChewyThomson 2 ай бұрын
OK. This is Robert Erans, we well listen to ur suggestin thank u
@bk83082
@bk83082 2 ай бұрын
@@RatchetSly it's not a tic, it's a filler word. Robert uses it so excessively at times that I have to turn off the episode despite finding the subject very interesting.
@pendragonchen
@pendragonchen 2 ай бұрын
You have a problem with diction. It's ok, I do too. But the problem should not be anyone else's responsibility. Robert Evans is just some dude, and he's not responsible for how you feel about the way he speaks.
@casanovafunkenstein5090
@casanovafunkenstein5090 2 ай бұрын
Sometimes people like to confirm that the person they're speaking to is either following what they are saying, or that they agree with their reaction to what they just described, right? You know that it's not being used to ask for confirmation that what he said was correct, right? You've had a conversation with another human being, right?
@deathbyelasticbodies6619
@deathbyelasticbodies6619 Ай бұрын
"The US can't graduate enough engineers." I'm graduating engineering this semester. Show me that massive worker deficit.
@AmericanEmperor
@AmericanEmperor Ай бұрын
potty mouse bois
@FuckYourSelf99
@FuckYourSelf99 2 ай бұрын
Grief, I'd forgotten the Palm Pilot. Now it just sounds like a euphemism. "Ugh, have you met that guy? He's a right palm pilot".
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