My Warden: Cullen...is that you?

Ironic, he can heal others, but not himself.

@@rambofan334 They studied 'Heal Allies' and 'Heal Self' in different classes in the circle and Anders escaped during the latter.

i think because anders supposedly died in awakening. the real anders

+Edward Marasigan I don't follow

Jorge Diaz I mean Anders the funny one. Recently, I completed the awakening story mode and I think for me, your party should be Oghren, Nathaniel and Velanna? Just to add mystery in anders justice possession in DA2. You don't need to follow this if you want. I did this because the story falls right into their places if you choose to spare the architect.

+Edward Marasigan No I want to know I just started DA2 and u think that Justice took over Anders

Naturally, if your party was Oghren, Velanna, and Nathaniel leaving Sigrun, Justice and Anders at Vigil's Keep, you arrived at the city of amarathine, your party believed that the city is lost. Of course you can persuade the to save the city, leaving the Vigil's Keep to its destruction and killing your spare party members there. In Dragon Age 2, Hawke and Anders meets Nathaniel in Deep Road. Surprised, Nathan told Anders that he saw his dead body in the Keep with an arrow on the neck. Anders replied that if some grey wardens came looking for him, tell them that(anders with arrow in the neck)

Imagine if Justice could have existed without possessing a body like Cole did.

I think Cole would have a problem with the innocent people Justice and Anders killed in DA2, he is compassion and always wants to help people.

Cole: "they didn't do anything wrong, they were victims" Justice: "they must die for their deeds"

@@Davidofthelost . Cole killed many innocent people too. Just saying.

@@SeventhheavenDK Yes, but Cole did it because he thought he was relieving them of their suffering. Justice did it as an act of revenge.

If you have Justice, Anders, and Nathaniel in your party, it feels even more like foreshadowing.

Also Justice and Nathaniel.

@Aleksa Petrovic Velanna feels more natural. It would have been one thing if they didn't try to keep Anders goofy in 2. Just her in Anders role in 2 makes way more sense. Maybe not the medic part helping people, but everything else just fits her and her beliefs better. It's hard to believe the Anders from Awakening would blow up the Chantry. Still hard to believe Anders in 2 would blow up the Chantry.

I mean, the simple fact is, by the time of Dragon Age 2, Justice *has* become a Demon, by his own definition. A spirit corrupted by his desire; in this case, his desire for Justice. That desire was corrupted by Anders' rage against the Chantry into Vengeance. By that time Justice is less interested in Justice than simply attacking the aggressor in any given situation; regardless of how the "victim" feels about the situation. Anders is host to Justice/Vengeance. As a result, the spirit does have influence over Anders' mind and actions, sometimes passively just by influencing him, sometimes actively taking control. Anders already hated the Chantry and the Templars, and on one or two occasions even expresses a mild desire to "rain fireballs on every Templar in existence". But he never acted on that Hatred, choosing simply to flee and hide from them rather than stick his neck out for every mage in existence that may or may *not* want to be "freed" from the Chantry. Justice's influence changed that. Passively, Justice's presence gave him the courage to stand up for Mages more. On occasion, Justice would more forcefully take a stand to strike back at particularly aggressive Templars going too far. When Anders' lover Karl is made Tranquil against his will, that gives Anders a big push. Meredith and her Templars keep getting more and more oppressive, squeezing tighter and tighter, becoming Tyrants even by the standards of how Mages *usually* see Templars. With Justice/Vengeance constantly seething at this within his mind, Anders is gradually pushed to seek retribution on behalf of Mages. He occasionally tries to be the cheerful snarker he used to be, but the plight of Mages is stuck at the forefront of his mind, ever glued there by Justice, smoldering at how Mages are treated. The Chantry would *never* let Mages go free, would never loosen their grasp. The Chantry sees their authority as *ABSOLUTE,* noone and nothing has a higher say than they do in their mind, especially in regards to magic. In order for Mages to *ever* truly be free of the Chantry, it would have to be by force. With the situation in Kirkwall spiraling ever more out of control, Anders/Justice/Vengeance decide to push the whole thing over the edge with one extremely drastic measure, one that will shake the foundation of every Chantry and Circle of Magi on the planet. By destroying the Chantry with the Revered Mother still inside, he forces Meredith's hand, forcing her to invoke the Rite of Annulment. But because he's not only an Apostate, outside the Circle, even before he left the Circle, he was from an *entirely different Circle,* the Kirkwall Circle are outraged and rise to defend themselves. The Mage/Templar war has begun. In Anders' eyes, it was always inevitable; either this war would happen at some point, or Mages would remain under the Templar's heels until the end of time, assuming the Chantry never decided to simply start executing Mages the moment their powers manifest (which, let's be real, Anders/Justice probably saw as a very real possible eventuality, given Meredith). He simply started something he saw as inevitable. He hates himself for what he has become by this point, fully aware of the perversion of Justice's nature by Anders' own mind. But at the same time, he sees nothing he can do to change it. He can only act on what he feels is right. As cheerful and entertaining as Anders is in Awakening, he absolutely has his moments where he gets mopey and angry about the whole Mage/Templar situation. It honestly strikes me as a very logical progression. Whoo, that turned into an essay, didn't it.

@President Hanosh . Maybe that is why they changed it.

What is this? Futurama?!

Gledania Minos Also oghren v sera. Battle of vulgarity

@@edwardhim2276 Here's to Dragon Age 4

@@edwardhim2276 man, I really want Oghren and Sera in 4 now

Carrie Smith I could imagine him mocking the bards song Sera was never a good lookin girl Her tongue was filled with lies and rot

Alistair anders exists for 1 moment, if you meet Alistair with anders in your party

I wanna know why he's spontaneously homosexual and constantly whining. I blame Justice.

I don't mind him being Homosexual, and actually he became bi. It's just the whining I am bothered by.

He was always bi. He flirts with Nathaniel too.

Why does it make you sad?

well when you accept a spirit of justice into yourself and it becomes a demon of vengeance because of your hatred against templars the moment it enters your body i think its normal that Anders became a whiny bitch lol.

Thank you!!!

Thank you so much!!

thank you!!!

Thank you

Kokobro Just give in, Oghren...🤣

I always like that Howe became the Warden's best friend. It was a bro thing like: "My dad was an ass and hated your dad then killed him, but I'm not my dad and you aren't yours. To hell with old hatreds by old men, let's get some fire brandy." (I always play Cousland.)

*Laughs in blown up Chantry.*

Assassin Cactus Hopefully there will be one in da4. There's not nearly enough love for our short stocky friends.

@@twat1466 Apparently the creator of Dragon age inquisition didn't like the idea of your character being with a dwarf, hence why you could only flirt with scout harding, bc dwarfs seemed too childlike in appearance.

@@goth9ever Way to contribute to the infantilization of irl people with dwarfism :/

@@milody496 Look it up, these are not MY opinions, but that of the creator, i was relaying the reason, not my perspective.

BUDDY DO I HAVE NEWS

i guess her ears are too big even for an elf

It's probably because it's that sweet sweet Cullen voice

Pre Anders Justice also gives me feels

He was annoying even then.

Yesssss

"I do believe that's the best pirate I've ever seen."

"Aren't you just the cutest little thing, yes you are Sir Pounce-a-lot." "I said duck! If that was a fireball you'd be dead right now!"

I think it's because Anders was meant to be a more serious character in DA2

Ever since playing DA2, I've wished Adam Howden had played Anders in Awakening. I find it jarring to hear Cullen's voice coming out of Anders' mouth.

@@bekkers29 yeah all the pro Mage lines in Cullen's voice is really jarring

who are the characters below ?

Gledania Minos Versions of OP's wardens in the expansion

Yep. Nathaniel even has the gall of going "fuck,I was hoping Justice would be the dominant personality" when he meets Anders in DA2. In other words,Nathaniel WANTED to screw over Anders.

flower bean I wouldthink both.Nathaniel liked Justice in Awakening and he IS kind of an asshole.

Despite having much less dialogue, I actually like the Awakening cast even more than the Origins cast.

Reminds you why Anders got turned into crazy.Justice screwed him up,he even says it at at the end of the game, That allowing Justice in was a horriblemistake and made both ofthem into monsters with the compelling need of Vengeance.

+LeonGun8 that moment and the intimate moments with Hawke are just about the only moments in which its actually anders

Yes, a boring jokester with no personal philosophy that he'd earnestly fight for besides himself, whose niche was already filled by Alistair. A total catch. Truly.

Your replying to a 7 year old comment. You know that right?

@@optimaltt6070 . Totally agree, and Anders was already annoying and whiny in Awakening, even the Warden can call him out about it. The only difference is in DA2 he gets crazy by the end of Act 3.

Er, they do. If Alistair is King. No funny banter happens, though.

They meet 2 times exactly, 1 in awakening just when Anders is recruited. 2nd is in DA2 when you take Anders with you to speak with Alistair. Alistair remembers he was a grey warden.

If they hung out in this era though, the concentrated sass would rip a hole in the fabric of the world and let in all the spirits of the fade.

Søren Wilsen So that was really how Inquisition started out? This goes to my headcanon. I'm sure I can answer the questions regarding a fugitive terrorist mage and the King hanging out and bonding about their Warden pasts. With sass.

Katherine Weber Anders: Say weren't you a Grey Warden once? Alistair: That's the rumor, wait weren't you? Anders: That's the rumor. Alistair: Well, we certainly get around.

I liked Merril more, having Dalish Elf Wardens clan come back was great

MAJOR SPOILERS FOR DA:I TRESPASSER DLC! Well mythal endured in flemeth...... Solas even said he imprisoned the evanuris in the fade, rather than killing them. He even stated that; 'The first of my people do not fie so easily' maybe they never could truly die.

I've never heard immortality described as such. As I have always understood it, immortal and ageless mean about the same thing.

Nah. According to Trespasser some of them were straight up immortal.

Mythal died and she still lived so...

honestly i think sigrun as a character could be so interesting if she was a fully developed charatcer, her origin could add a lot to the story and it feels like death is her coping mechanism. wish she was our dwarven companion in origins instead of oghren who i personally dislike, maybe she could've joined us when we meet that group of the legion in the deep roads. I think her and velanna could really benefit from more screentime, the game basically ends when they start to develop

Ur really cute

Velanna is too crazy.

Secretly, Nathaniel is a Sith Lord.

it's tough, after all it's Cullen :[

+Alvin the Chipmunk Greg Ellis, although I imagine Steve valentine (Alistair) would have done just as well.

+scififan599 i am, now that i heard all of their conversations

Me too.

Justice really messes him up.

He also needed his cat.

+Kendra Long Honestly, Justice and Anders sorta screw each other up.

+kelli campbell The cat is still in the inventory of the hero of Ferelden.

Agreed.

Yea no i dont enjoy that one i like smarty anders

johnson yeah, I don't think you were actually meant to "enjoy" a severely mentally ill character so much as appreciate the honesty of the game showing what a lifetime of abuse would do to a person.

nah, i think awakening anders was genuine, but the moment he let justice possess him... gg. i like both daa and da2 anders.

He wasn't definitely perfect in Awakening either.

Is that a bad thing?

+Retbullgivesyouwings we didnt get a god baby nor a god mother so its not a good thing

With a giant chip on her shoulder.

No no no no nou!!!!

She's different from Morrigan she's wayyyyy different i just cant put it to words

It is kinda of a surprise those two didn't hook up afterwards. I wonder if they meet again later in life.

@@Nakarotto1 its possible that they originally were supposed to have something developed in the future but bioware dropped their plans for velanna thus we get nothing about it. Originally velanna was planned to return for kirkwall but they changed it to anders. Some of her planned story was salvaged for Merril is my guess

ikr!! it's so frigging weird

it was originally supposed to be the elf mage, I'm not sure if it would've been more or less out of place.

They wanted to show what happens to a person when they're possessed

he was such a chirpy little cutie pie. Then justice happened....

he became a borderline abomination. Anders offered to let Justice into his body, but due to Anders' anger Justice became a spirit of vengeance instead. That destroyed Anders' personality.

SKYRIM addict His vulgarity made him so great. You'd know he'd piss off the other party members. But everytime it was still a hilarious new way of saying it.

I find him funny but he's my 2nd least favourite companion in Origins because the concept is a done-to-death stock character, he doesn't add to the setting and, worst of all, he's a massive arsehole but you can never really call him out on it. The game assumes you think he's a lovable buffoon and only lets you laugh or roll your eyes; you can't actually disapprove of his actions or attitude. (This isn't the only time Bioware's done this. I consider Black Whirlwind in Jade Empire to be worse.) That being said, I think Origins/Awakening has the strongest lineup of all of Bioware's games. I don't mind Oghren and even Zevran (my least favourite) is nowhere near the bottom of my list for all Bioware companions.