Talking Digital Schiit with Jason Stoddard (Interview)

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In this interview, Jason Stoddard from Schiit and I talk about Schiit's digital products, a little about the Folkvangr, the upcoming Urd CD transport and digital audio hub, and even some upcoming products that you might not previously have known about. Hope you enjoy it! Also, check out www.schiit.com/ for more about Schiit Audio.
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00:00:00 Introduction
00:01:44 Why are Multibit products so delayed?
00:03:29 Are FPGAs replacing DSPs?
00:04:13 Will Schiit Delta Sigma include the Mega Combo Burrito Filter?
00:06:35 Is Schiit Delta Sigma (Singularity) better than Schiit Multibit?
00:09:08 Schiit's Multibit approach explained in simple terms
00:13:50 Why do Schiit Multibit provide better depth than chip-based delta sigma DACs?
00:18:30 Why did you add NOS mode to your DACs?
00:23:38 Will Unison USB support above 192kHz in future?
00:24:12 A bit aobut the Urd
00:33:07 Tangent: single-ended vs balanced
00:35:02 About the Urd CD transport
00:36:50 It's digital - does any of this stuff really matter so long as the data is intact?
00:38:43 Yggy double-blind testing experiences
00:43:46 Will NOS come to other Schiit DACs?
00:46:49 Why does Folkvangr need 8 power tubes?
00:49:39 Why go OCL as well as OTL? (Folkvangr)
00:52:04 Why did you select the 6N1P & 6N6P tubes? (Folkvangr)
00:57:02 Does Bifrost 2/64 make a Gungnir Multibit redundant?
01:05:23 Local vs international parts
01:07:42 Is there anything you've learned about Folkvangr since it's release?
01:11:53 Final thoughts from Jason
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@Ray-dl5mp Жыл бұрын

YES! Another Jason interview. Probably my favorite guy to hear talk about this stuff other than the roundtable reviewers.

@PassionforSound Жыл бұрын

Glad you like them!

@thirdkey9 Жыл бұрын

Thanks for tapping into this. Was recently at the Schiit demo store for the first time and it was both enjoyable and so very informative to experience a lot their stuff on a wide array of headphones. Challenges aside, I love how they keep things in pragmatic and proper perspective while still pushing boundaries. The fact that this visionary company can create such high end performance audio that is so accessible is no small feat and it is easy to foresee a potential future where such demo stores may get deployed in major cities.

@PassionforSound Жыл бұрын

That's great that you were able to visit a demo setup! I agree that they're trying some innovative things and still managing to keep it all accessible

@Alexandra-Rex 3 ай бұрын

When he mentioned Grado, I realized there is a pair hanging behind him from having had a set of SR225 around 20 years ago. This was a very interesting interview! Made me more interested in the brand. And I agree a lot with his view/feelings about USB and ethernet cables 😄 Oh, and now seeing your merch with the definition of USB cable on it made me laugh 😄

@ptg01 Жыл бұрын

This is easily one of the best interviews ever ! So many topics yet very focused. Timestamps are so helpful ! VERY VERY VERY Well done !!!

@PassionforSound Жыл бұрын

I'm thrilled that you liked it so much 🙂🙂

@tysontyson1244 Жыл бұрын

I concur. So many interviews are cringy. I wouldn't mind watching more interviews with industry figures as long as Lachlan is hosting.

@PassionforSound Жыл бұрын

Thanks Tyson. I have more planned for 2023 🙂

@ptg01 Жыл бұрын

@@PassionforSound Cool ! It is very obvious you do your "homework" before the interview so it just flows so well and make great use of time ! Kudos again !

@dar._ Жыл бұрын

Very cool, thanks for organising this and thanks to Jason for the time, always a fun listen. Thoughts for Mike, his creative descriptors are missed.

@PassionforSound Жыл бұрын

I agree that Mike was sorely missed ☹️ (Jason is always great to chat to though 🙂)

@modemmark421 Жыл бұрын

I really enjoy these interviews with Jason; very entertaining despite the long format... I too can get through an entire bottle of wine while following along. cheers. btw, I have a Schiit Multibit at the center of my music system, LOVE it!

@PassionforSound Жыл бұрын

So glad you liked the interview (and the wine 🍷)

@RaviNewfarm Жыл бұрын

An absoulte joy to watch and lots to learn here! Keep up the excellent work!

@PassionforSound Жыл бұрын

So glad you liked it! 🙂🙂

@cecilmusick8629 Жыл бұрын

Always enjoy Jason interviews, have much respect for Jason and Mike's company!

@PassionforSound Жыл бұрын

Glad you like them!

@n00buo Жыл бұрын

You can't stop growing anymore Lachlan, I'm very happy when a good being gets rewarded for something he believes in and love

@PassionforSound Жыл бұрын

Thanks Jose! I've got some new ideas for 2023 that I hope will be exciting for viewers and keep the channel growing 🙂

@FOH3663 Жыл бұрын

Insightful interview ... solid work Much appreciated

@kurthertel4299 Жыл бұрын

Love your content, Lachlan, and I just love Jason's attitude toward this hobby, and I think that attitude shows in the resulting products. Thanks to both of you.

@PassionforSound Жыл бұрын

So glad you liked it! 🙂🙂

@Sammy-wz9jy Жыл бұрын

Thank you for the interview, I think I learned more about where much of the sound quality comes from in DAC than pretty much all of my previous research. I truly enjoyed this interview. Thank you to Jason Stoddard for taking the time!

@PassionforSound Жыл бұрын

So glad you enjoyed it and that it was informative

@cosmiccharlie8294 3 ай бұрын

I bought a Schiit Modi about 12 years ago for streaming Dead shows i had downloaded off Internet Archive onto my laptop and was blown away by that little marvel. Been a Schiit fan ever since. I hope Schiit is doing well here in 2024 with all the challenges Humanity is facing. Just got a Mani 2 to kick up my turntable and it is working great.

@PassionforSound 3 ай бұрын

Glad you're enjoying your Schiit! 😉 They're definitely good people making great products and seem to be going strong.

@IHearEverythingDude Жыл бұрын

Amazing, getting into watching. Nice that it's not separated into smaller parts like previous one. Keeping it in one video is definitely a better option

@PassionforSound Жыл бұрын

Thanks for letting me know that you prefer the long form versions. It's less work for me so I'll take that for sure!

@dangerzone007 Жыл бұрын

Holy Schiit it's Jason.

@PassionforSound Жыл бұрын

Such a Schiit head 😁

@mattsev9134 Жыл бұрын

Loved this. Jason is always interesting to listen to, and you asked some great questions.

@PassionforSound Жыл бұрын

Glad you liked the discussion

@migueltorcuator2152 Жыл бұрын

Thanks for this!

@wojciechczupta9185 Жыл бұрын

I liked the description you made on the depth of sound resolution (the 3d shape of vocal or an instrument). You nailed it.

@PassionforSound Жыл бұрын

Thank you, Wojciech!

@JTB-- Жыл бұрын

Good Questions Lachlan. You could tell Jason appreciated your knowledge and savvy on topics you brought up 👍

@PassionforSound Жыл бұрын

Thanks JTB!

@petertschantz7601 Жыл бұрын

very cool to see Jason on again. Just got my Modi-E & Vali 2++ this week, lovin' life right now

@PassionforSound Жыл бұрын

Awesome! Enjoy your new toys 🙂

@CrackaSlapYa 4 ай бұрын

this is one of your best ever vids.

@PassionforSound 4 ай бұрын

I'm glad you liked it!

@CrackaSlapYa 4 ай бұрын

you asked excellent questions, and your quite friendly demeanor got about as much out of him as possible lol. Y'all should do another. @@PassionforSound

@PassionforSound 4 ай бұрын

We'll probably do more in the futureel. I'm always keen to chat to industry people. 🙂

@bubblehead5394 Жыл бұрын

This should be video of the year. Let me tell you why: I have been watching audiophile channels religiously for the past 3 years. As a musician, I get it. This video goes deep into the mind of an audiophile. Same wave length as me~~~~

@PassionforSound Жыл бұрын

So glad you liked it!

@kerryvanderkamp5051 Жыл бұрын

Great interview. I really like your long form talks with industry experts. After cutting through a bit of inevitable marketing, I always learn a ton. Thanks!

@PassionforSound Жыл бұрын

So glad you like them!

@kerryvanderkamp5051 Жыл бұрын

BTW, you said something that really resonated with me regarding soundstage depth, layering and 3D perception of the individual sounds on certain types of DACs. I have also noticed this effect on certain types of upsampling. I have a Soncoz SGD1 that I find excellent in terms of clarity and timbre but noticeably flat in soundstage. However, when I feed it an upsampled DSD512 stream from Roon+Qobuz, I get dramatically improved depth and layering that equals or bests my Chord Mojo 2. I can only assume this is because the quality of the sigma delta modulation in Roon (on an Intel i7 CPU) far exceeds what the ESS chip in my DAC can manage. Looking at the ESS chip datasheet, it does appear likely the on-chip SDM is bypassed for a native DSD input. Have you experimented with upsampling to DSD on chip-based DACs?

@PassionforSound Жыл бұрын

That's an interesting point and I haven't played with that, but it could definitely help because it seems to be the filtering that's the issue.

@soundpitchblack Жыл бұрын

Great interview, very good questions and insightful answers Love to hear your thoughts on the Bifrost 2/64.

@PassionforSound Жыл бұрын

Glad you liked it! The BF2/64 review has just been produced and is going to patrons tomorrow. It will come out here on KZfaq in a few weeks 🙂

@willjohnson2722 Жыл бұрын

Great interview

@PassionforSound Жыл бұрын

Glad you liked it!

@f7p1764 Жыл бұрын

Was interesting especially opinion about AKM and ESS chips. Thank you for your work.

@PassionforSound Жыл бұрын

My pleasure

@Belcanto401 Жыл бұрын

Thanks for this informative interview. I find the topic around Folkvangr interesting. Looking forward for Schiit to announce the next version of Valhalla which will OTL and OCL like a mini Folkvangr.

@PassionforSound Жыл бұрын

That would be very cool! My full review of the Folkvangr is coming later this week if it's of interest

@m.morininvestor9920 Жыл бұрын

I hope it will be exactly that!

@Scrufboy Жыл бұрын

I thoroughly enjoyed this. I got the notification and was captivated throughout the entire interview. Anyone ekse notice how Jason's glass was constantly being refilled off camera until the very end? Sorry, I just couldn't unsee that. Yeah, I have issues. Thanks for this!

@PassionforSound Жыл бұрын

Haha. I'll have to go rewatch it now. Maybe he had Denise (that's one of the Schiit team) on retainer to fill his glass for the hour 🤣 Glad you found it so enjoyable!

@donaldyoung9180 Жыл бұрын

Alcoholism?

@forrestp33 Жыл бұрын

"euphonically broken". I learned something new today.

@PassionforSound Жыл бұрын

That was a new one for me too - I really liked it!

@uterpia 5 ай бұрын

Thank you

@PassionforSound 5 ай бұрын

My pleasure

@HercahyoAdiSaputro Жыл бұрын

Very good interview. Really enjoyed listening to it and get a hint on what will be on the future. I was hoping you'll cover Lyr+ and/or stuff with Fusion Architecture someday

@PassionforSound Жыл бұрын

I'll need to hit up Jason and co. for a Lyr+ it seems. Let me see what I can arrange

@HercahyoAdiSaputro Жыл бұрын

@@PassionforSound Thank you. From what I read, it really is interesting stuff (technologically) and sonically rumored to be the best headamp Schiit put to date aside from Folkvangr (and is more versatile than Folkv)

@chriseggroll Жыл бұрын

I really love Schiit because of their candor and business model and of course the sound! At some point I'll get a Yggy for downstairs and a Jot 2 for my PC and I'll be pretty much golden! Bifrost 2/64 really sounds much better than the BF2 though so not in a hurry

@PassionforSound Жыл бұрын

Glad you're enjoying your Schiit, Chris! 😁

@CrackaSlapYa 4 ай бұрын

34:55 - Mjolnir3 returned!

@wojciechczupta9185 Жыл бұрын

I love Jason's t-shirt. would be cool to have it available in the schwag section :)

@PassionforSound Жыл бұрын

I figured it would have been. Surprised it's not because I think it's a winner too!!

@andyreichert499 Жыл бұрын

I picked up a Folkvangr and a bifrost 2/64 a couple months ago. Love that combination with my Clears. I have it setup in a walk in closet setup for dedicated music listening. I wish I could have gotten a dac in the gunginir format for stackability and the extra RCA output, but I'm making it work. I couldn't use this system on my desk because it's too engaging. But just sitting there with no distractions, it's easy for the hours to just disappear.

@PassionforSound Жыл бұрын

So glad you're enjoying your BiVangr stack! The Vang is such an engaging amp, isn't it?

@Ray-dl5mp Жыл бұрын

Yeah I agree with this from a stack combo. I haven't bought the bifrost yet but thinking about it. My Amp is SA-1 and I have a modius under it. For some reason, I like the look better when the dac has more surface area than the Amp. Right now mine are about the same size and not my favorite look. It seems like the bifrost is so good and at a great price point. Waiting for the Passion for Sound review first, and maybe next year (we will see!). Very exciting times though, I couldn't be more happy already.

@PassionforSound Жыл бұрын

Bifrost 2/64 with an SA-1 underneath would be a great setup!

@zelenizub2036 Жыл бұрын

Any chance of seeing remote controlled Jotunheim?

@frederf69 Жыл бұрын

The filter choice of the Yggy made me choose the Gumby + it allowed me the cash to get a pair of Aegir's 👍👍

@PassionforSound Жыл бұрын

How do you mean, Fred? I thought they used the same filters with different hardware.

@asplmn Жыл бұрын

@@PassionforSound I'm also a bit confused with this comment

@frederf69 Жыл бұрын

If the Urd had come out a year or two ago i would have got one., but the Gadjet with an EQ & USB hub would be very very useful...

@PassionforSound Жыл бұрын

That would be epic, wouldn't it?

@philippelabrecque6658 Жыл бұрын

Very interesting ! Could you ask him when the "Sol" will be back next time? Thanks!

@PassionforSound Жыл бұрын

Glad you liked it! I try to stick mostly to questions that don't get asked on the regular live videos from Schiit so best to send this through via Head-Fi or Facebook for Schiit to address. 🙂

@PygmaApril Жыл бұрын

Have you tried the CCA-CRA and the 7hz Salnotes Zero? Any opinions?

@PassionforSound Жыл бұрын

I've reviewed the CRA in one of my budget IEM roundups (I think the sub-$80 one). I haven't tried the Salnotes Zero

@PygmaApril Жыл бұрын

@@PassionforSound On my way to that video then, thank you

@wojciechczupta9185 Жыл бұрын

by the way, has anyone here had a chance to compare Freya S vs Freya+ SS buffer? I end up using mostly SS buffer mode (I think it is mostly the resolution of sound stage and depth being superior to tubes in my taste and my system). So I am thinking maybe I should order Freya S in such case.

@PassionforSound Жыл бұрын

Not me, unfortunately ☹️

@NeilBlanchard Жыл бұрын

I wonder about the new Meze headphones on the OTL/OCL headamp?

@PassionforSound Жыл бұрын

Do you mean the 109s? I have them here now and will be releasing a review in early 2023 (or maybe December - I can't recall). I'll try them on the Folkvangr for that review

@NeilBlanchard Жыл бұрын

@@PassionforSound Yes, I wasn't remembering the name - the Meze 109 Pro.

@frederf69 Жыл бұрын

MM is an audio genius

@PassionforSound Жыл бұрын

He sure seems to know his stuff

@rothgartheviking858 Жыл бұрын

Why are there no reviews on You tube for the lyr+

@PassionforSound Жыл бұрын

I can't answer that exact question, but I'll be fixing that problem soon 😉

@sakabatou Жыл бұрын

40:39 You really missed an opportunity to plug your merch to Jason - you were even wearing the right one!

@PassionforSound Жыл бұрын

So true! Maybe I should send him a t-shirt 😉

@stephens3845 Жыл бұрын

Any news on the gadget?

@PassionforSound Жыл бұрын

I think Jason alluded to the Gadget in either this discussion or a recent live stream. My understanding is that the Gadget work has evolved into some broader DSP-based work that might be coming in 2023 maybe? I don't know how directly the Gadget functionality will still be represented though

@iridium130m Жыл бұрын

So listening to this it seems like maybe now is not the time to invest in a higher end DAC? I’m building my schiit stack now and was considering the Bifrost 2/64 thinking it’s probably the last chance to somewhat reasonably get into their multibit tech before chip shortages dry supply completely up. But listening to this sounds like there’s maybe some innovation on the horizon from Schiit for next year? What are your thoughts?

@iridium130m Жыл бұрын

haha never mind i pulled the trigger! Got tired of hearing usb hum and noise with my cheap creative g6 dac running into my saga then lokius. Hoping i made the right choice, i'm single ended on all my connectivity for now since i'm running a magni heresy amp into 1770s. I remember you said in one of your older interviews there was a particular product not ideal SE, but it looks like the 2/64 should be fine?

@PassionforSound Жыл бұрын

Great choice! BF2/64 isn't going to be superseded any time soon based on what I have heard and inferred. It also works just as well single-ended as balanced so relax and enjoy 🙂

@iridium130m Жыл бұрын

@@PassionforSound awesome thank you. After pouring through your Schiit videos I did find my concern and it was the single ended output performance of the Modius. Sounds like I need to avoid. So if i want to eventually go to balanced interconnects between everything then maybe the Jotunheim 2 might be the better way to go for an amp to feed my 1770s? Maybe better single ended output then the Modius? I’d probably just balanced connect the bifrost directly into the jutenheim since I can use tone control in my player. Thoughts?

@PassionforSound Жыл бұрын

Yeah, it's the Magnius (Modius is the DAC) and I would give it a miss for single ended usage. It's not bad from the SE output, but clearly not as good as the balanced output so I would definitely go straight to the Jotunheim 2. Or, you could mix brands and go for a Geshelli Archel if you want SE output only with either SE or balanced input.

@iridium130m Жыл бұрын

@@PassionforSound Awesome, thanks for clarifying my product name swap lol and advice! Can't wait to get the final setup! I know i'm pretty much there in where i want to be in my setup when i keep looking up or over my shoulder thinking i'm hearing something "beyond" the headphones and it's not, it is a surreal listening experience!

@hazi5961 Жыл бұрын

It's a bummer that the Analog Devices parts have become problematic to source properly. I personally preferred the original AD BF2 versus the BF 2/64.

@PassionforSound Жыл бұрын

Yeah. I like the BF2/64 better, but it would be great to have the choice still

@backrack01 Жыл бұрын

Was there a firmware update in 2023 for the 2/64?

@PassionforSound Жыл бұрын

I think late 2022. It's the firmware to make the 2/64 upgrade work in older Bifrost 2 units. If you have the 2/64 from the factory then it's already got that firmware.

@marcusloo767 Жыл бұрын

55:00 years ago when i wanted to get the ragnarok 2 ppl were like get a smaller amp and i was like no ill make a bigger desk

@PassionforSound Жыл бұрын

I'm with you, Marcus!

@marcusloo767 Жыл бұрын

@@PassionforSound 8ft x 36in strong !

@PassionforSound Жыл бұрын

Nice! That even dwarfs my crazy desk 😁

@scottwinders9961 Жыл бұрын

Too many filter choices? I hate the NOS sound but love using NOS DACs with HQPlayer!!

@PassionforSound Жыл бұрын

That's exactly what the NOS mode was made for on the BF2/64 as I understand it 🙂

@chronometa Жыл бұрын

I'm interested in their Folkvanger interpretation at a middle level price point

@PassionforSound Жыл бұрын

Yes, that's sounding quite interesting

@Streaml1neJMoose Жыл бұрын

Nice to hear that my BF2 will probably last me another 10 years.

@PassionforSound Жыл бұрын

Yeah, pretty cool design!

@theoriginaljeffro Жыл бұрын

At 47:43 Jason mentions an amp and I cannot understand the name he’s muttering whatsoever… help?

@PassionforSound Жыл бұрын

He was talking about the Lyr+. I've got one coming for review soon 🙂

@theoriginaljeffro Жыл бұрын

@@PassionforSound Oooh yes. The one where you can remove the tube WHILE IT’S RUNNING.

@PassionforSound Жыл бұрын

I didn't know about that party trick!

@theoriginaljeffro Жыл бұрын

@@PassionforSound Certainly an improvement over their previous tube designs that had a constantly running heater on the tube whether you were engaged in tube or solid state gain mode.

@LordWaterBottle Ай бұрын

For the record, the blacks are not quite an exact match. The newer black is slightly smoother in visual and physical texture, leading to a color that is a shade darker. The gray text is easier to see on the new black finish. It looks a hair sharper and is a tad more saturated, especially improving readability in darker environments. The new black finish is unambiguously better to my eyes. I am comparing a Lokius purchased September 2023 and a Modius purchased March 2024, and will now forever be unable to unsee this.

@michaelcorlet2998 4 ай бұрын

So your not biased towards schit audio product reviews.mmm😮

@PassionforSound 4 ай бұрын

Not at all. Have you seen my Magnius, Modi Multibit 2, Syn, or Lyr+ reviews?

@GeirRssaak 8 ай бұрын

These reviewers should test bourbon instead!

@donaldyoung9180 Жыл бұрын

Why does Jason always have a glass of wine in his hand when he gives interviews? Who else does this habitually? The most parsimonious answer is that he is alcoholic. But I know nothing about the man.

@donaldyoung9180 Жыл бұрын

I've had some flack for posting this. But seriously every interview I've seen he is indulging in wine (there may well be interviews I have not watched of course). As someone else posted below, he even has his glass filled up during this interview. This is hardly normal drinking behaviour for a business man discussing his product. It amounts to drinking on the job, an ill advised habit. Now, it could be to reduce speaking anxiety; it could just be an affectation. I do not know. But I do know that this is abnormal and possibly suggestive of a serious problem. Can anyone name someone else in the audio business who does this?

@PassionforSound Жыл бұрын

I think it might come down to the fact that (at least in my case) our interviews are late in his day due to the time zone difference so he's having an after hours drink. I can't speak about other interviews though.

@andywise8825 Жыл бұрын

@@donaldyoung9180 when is the last time you talked to thousands of people at once, a class of wine or 3 might help you out...

@FOH3663 Жыл бұрын

@@PassionforSound Cali, Schiit shtick ... it's all good.

@Newt211 Жыл бұрын

I actually like that he is relaxed enough to enjoy himself without fear of being judged for his life choices. I don’t drink, but I support people being themselves if no one gets hurt.