I really appreciate that you're looking at the efficiency aspect, especially in light the recurring trend towards higher power consumption in the high-end parts. I found the 12700K to be reasonably efficient once you manually tune the frequency and vcore (and interestingly, disabling the e-cores improved overall efficiency for my uses) but it didn't take well to offsets whereas with Zen, I can basically just setup a negative offset and leave the boost behavior alone.

The first way you said scythe is how I'd say it. I remember that cooler too. Bit of a board bender lol!

Seeing this cooler really takes me back! I miss the days of silent PC builds. Back in the day I built an undervolted but OVERclocked Northwood C in an Antec Sonata case (with sound dampening material) using quite possibly this same CPU cooler. You just can't do builds like that today.

I occasionally make copper wirewraped jewelry and sea salt (or epsom) and vinegar works really well for cleaning copper. I use hot (not boiling) vinegar\water\salt solution (mostly vinegar) and soak it for a hour while occasionally shaking it up (dont have ultrasonic cleaner, but that would be awesome), then wipe clean with a cloth, water rinse, dry with compressed air, then use a polishing cloth or Dremel polishing wheel with a polishing compound. For your case Im sure you could just use a warm vinegar\salt soaked cloth and just keep wiping\polishing until clean without soaking or using polishing compound. Although a good polish does help keep it from oxidizing as fast.

03:04 Brasso is amazing for cleaning copper and brass

Loved the insanity of the Scythe Orochi. It was often used with a VERY low RPM fan instead of passive convection. I remember two mounting tests that some site or other made. One was using the mounting provided by Scythe. The cooler was mounted on a motherboard and then they tested how violently they had to shake everything before the computer wouldn't post. The other was someone who managed to mount it using push-pins the same way every Intel boxed fan mounts. Then they held the motherboard and tried to get the heatsink to drop off. They broke the PCB before the push-pins would budge.

Scythe is pronounce Sith ( the "i" is pronounced as eye) it is a device for cutting wheat by hand (like a sickle)

Braso is a silver/copper/nicke/brass polish if you see some used . its a very mild acid and polish and just use a small rag on the exposed areas. potentially very fine grit sand paper first

vinegar + table salt makes cleaning oxidation from copper and bronze real easy. Can be used either to make manual polishing easy - or clean via immersion over more time. I used this to clean one of those old "flower ring" Zalman coolers that would normally be impossible due to all the tiny spaces beween fins. You can find 5% vinegar in normal food shops - or 30% as a cleaning product in like a hardware type shop. Both will work OK. Vinegar has lots of other good uses too. It dissolves calcium super easy (no salt) , so cleans shower glass buildup easily. Also excellent for cleaning radiators, heat exchangers, pipes ect. Just be careful about leaving it long on sensitive parts. It is an acid after all, so I would exactly recommend getting on like O-rings and such.

Salt + Vinegar will get that copper looking like new again in about 2 minutes. Cheapest distilled white vinegar is ideal, don't use any fancy balsamic :)) I use this method to clean out all my copper radiators (+ the copper cookware).

For refreshing copper pipes I use a jewelry polishing paste. I apply a bit on a fine threaded strip of cloth and after a bit of manual labor they look brand new with a mirror finish. You can also clear coat the visible "external" part so they will keep the shine forever without really losing any performance.

Brasso for the heatpipes and silvo for the fins, very shiny finish

Efficiency is becoming more important all the time. It's great getting super high FPS but with rising energy costs. I really start to think of how much it costs to achieve the performance I require to enjoy the game.

I picked one of these scythe orochi coolers up at my local tip shop $5aud. They had a whole bunch of them still in their original boxes - clearly some old, forgotten stock. Mine came with a single fan too though. Interesting to see it used on modern components. Was just gonna use mine on an old 775 setup but this video made me think about other uses! Great content! Cheers!

I tried capping my 5800X3D Vcore to 1.0, 1.1 and 1.2v allowing the boost algo to manage multipliers. I think if you just cap the Vcore and dont down step the multiplier it provides slightly more performance as at 1.0v it will still boost a few cores to 4200Mhz which for gaming should provide slightly more frames for about the same power consumption.

Love the cats! Der Bauer! Just picked up your endorsed edition of 011 dynamic today for fun! I am a little late to the party, but still looking forward to the build! Always enjoy your content! Take care. :)

You could try using something like "Brasso" or the equivalent brass cleaning cream or "metal polish" from the local supermarket for cleaning it. Rub it on, let it dry and rub it off, should be that simple.

Came for the tech talk, stayed for the cat

For cleaning- use one of those powdered cleaners like; bar keepers friend, Ajax, or comet.. I use it on all my copper bottom and stainless steel pans, and it makes them look brand new!!😁

Cleaning copper with a mixture of vinegar and salt, something like 100 ml vinegar (~15%) 500 ml water, and 1 tablespoon of table salt. Apply it to the surface with a cloth, let it sit for a couple of minutes then rinse it with luke warm water. Enjoy :)

Thanks again for this great video.. And your cats are totally adorable!!

Great review, sad I missed this. Beautiful cats. Hope you and family have a great week.

Use brasso, it is designed to polish brass but it works great on copper too and its cheap and easy to find everywhere.

cool stuff. 3d cache is neat tech and would like to see more coverage in the future.

In North America there is a product called Brasso that is great for copper polishing. I've used it on copper bottomed pots and pans before and it is fantastic.

Great video Roman!

Metal polish will shine the copper pipes up, either Brasso, Duraglit or Autosol will work well.

Happy that you sort by 1%min! I do not understand why no one else does this.

Acid pickles for copper will clean up tarnish very quickly making it look like new again. I am hoping to get my Coolermaster V8 to fit onto my Ryzen 5 as I put an upgraded fan in the V8 and it was a cooling monster where I couldn't make the cpu sweat let alone get hot the cooler was so efficient, it was in my Coolermaster HAF XM which I suspect was able to assist in pulling the heat away efficiently too as I got big 240mm fans atop, 200mm fans front and back and a 240mm on the case door to pull in fresh air and assist the quite complicated air cycle inside the case.

First one is right. You are dead on with the way you aloud the word to flow. Love the content D.

For the oxidation you can use microfiber towel + car polish. Or if you want to get a workout abbrasive end of a kitchen sponge also works.

For cleaning the copper, we used salt and lemon juice and some elbow grease on copper pans that we served food in direct to diners.

LIquid Brasso is quite good at cleaning copper, nickel and such (there is also another variant of Brasso to clean silver and similar metal types)

You definitely pronounced the name of the company correctly, I've never heard of anyone pronouncing it any other way. Pretty sure Noctua's passive cooler has a similar design as well, though i think Scythe's cooler has more cooling capacity based on it just being bigger and having more pipes lol. If you want a secret sauce, just cleaning them with a sauce that's high in vinegar or other acids (salsa, ketchup, mustard, etc). I've also seen people use pickle juice and corn starch to make a paste for cleaning copper, since they had an excess of pickle juice lol. When I clean my water cooling radiators I just use citric acid crystal powder added to the water, so my suggestion is to get yourself some of that, and something to make a paste with when you combine it and the citric acid with water. I did this also with corn starch and it was extremely effective for using to shine the outside of copper components that are not epoxy sealed at the factory. This is also why a lot of modern copper heatpipes don't tarnish now, since they've started sealing them with an epoxy or polymer resin layer of some type. IDK what it is exactly, all I know is i've seen a few copper pipes that were not nickle plated, which were also not tarnishing with time and age, or especially handling, since the oils and acids on your skin will leave visible fingerprints on them later if they aren't coated

The 5800X3D looks good, but the adorableness efficiency of your cats is way off the charts! (🐈's always get 👍👍 from me!)

Nevr-Dull polish is really good for corrosion, I used is on my trumpet to keep it shiny and new looking.

I use Flitz metal polish and a soft cotton cloth to clean my copper parts. It works amazingly well.

Lemon juice is good for copper (the little bottle from aldi or lidl is fine). A hot vinegar bath (hot like in a boiling pot), when heated turn it down and let it simmer for a while and covered because of the toxic fumes. Sometimes bicarbonate helps, watch out for the bubbles and even more toxic fumes. Toothpaste and a cloth can do some good as well. A combination of those will most likely get the copper back to shiny new, with vinegar last so it will rinse away the sugar and toothpaste ! Except very old fingerprints that might have destroyed the metal, it's always worked for me and my various old Zalmann coolers.

You can use vinyl insulation tape as a thermographic marker for better readouts.

Do you remember those old external passive radiator cylinders (there was an optional fan but most water cooling loops back then didnt need the fan) What i'd like to do is bring back this design, using phase change cooling, using the phase change process to act as the pump

@3:06 Use Brasso on a microfiber rag. Should take the varnish/corrosion off those heatpipes fairly easily.

@der8auer You can clean the heatpipes with soft acid like white vinegard , i did that last year for my 20 years old Cooler Master HHC-001 socket A (462) cooler which is made out 100% from copper and now looks like brand new (stains , fingerpring stains). You need to let it soak in for atleast 5min and then wipe/rub it with something kinda soft (repeat if needed but it must be soacked don't let it exposed to atmosphere for too long while still wet with acid ) and when you are happy imidietly wash away the acid with something non oxidising like isopropyl alcohol , WD40 or brake cleaner or it will create green oxyde surface layer in matter of minutes.

You can get some fresh lemons squeeze the juice, mix it with a little wallpaper paste, this makes a gell, the gell can be applied to the copper. And left on for a few hours to bring up the copper like new.

For cleaning heatpipes, try Brasso. Makes copper and brass look shiny and new. Should be available from hardware stores, large supermarkets or online.

I use car cream/ polishing cream to clean the coper pipes. It works very well

Nice look at UV. With the price of electric I created some nice UV profiles for CPU and GPU (RAM unfortunately still getting absolutely hammered at 1.55v 3800c14 - I want to keep most of the performance lol)

Brasso or some type of metal polish should clean the oxidization off.

To leave any soft metal new: paste for polishing, either for polishing metals or for polishing auyoloyiva paint

2:46 i passively cooled the 3950x using the noctua C14S in a coolermaster HAF XB EVO case. I sat an open ended, long/narrow cardboard box on top of the cooler to act as a chimney, but in the end the 3950x could only run an all core workload at 3.1Ghz before i felt uncomfortable about the temperature ~89c

Nice analisis!! I see that you now have another white kitten!!! and I see that the orange tiger is huge and very healthy!!! I send you greetings from Buenos Aires, Argentina!!!!

citric acid at 50-70C will be fine, you can submerge it in ssolution or appy it via cotton disk or spunge

we wash samavars (it makes tea) that are made from the same materaial as heatpipes with pomegranate paste( authentic pomegranate paste ) 2 times and resets back to factory shine

Crazy tests ! Thank you for trying to undervolt the 12900K !

Brasso to clean the copper. Works like a charm.

Lemon juice and some baking soda cleans copper use to use in my HVAC career

This is a blast from the past. I remember seeing the marketing images for the Scythe Orochi back in the day. By the way you are pronouncing Scythe correctly. The C is silent.

I've had decent luck removing rust scrubbing with epsom salts in the past. I'm not sure how it would do with copper, but it's worked quite well for me with steel and cast iron.

Distilled white vinegar and coarse salt (basically a pickling solution) on a rag. Scrubscrubscrub until it's shiny. You can also use Brasso, but it's not pleasant to work with. Make sure to use distilled water for a thorough rinse, as you don't want any salt/vinegar left on the surface (it will eventually corrode it again if left on).

Probably not the most elegant way to do it, but ive been using windows power option profiles to downclock my 5800x. Have the power saver mode tweaked to be around 3ghz and no negative effects for everyday use. When I jump into games or need some more processing power I just switch it over. Started doing this to minimize vrm whine but does a great job at keeping temps and fan noise down too.

3:09 Brasso either the wool stuff or the liquid works great.

Two points: Remember, this would normally be used in a system that one ore more 12cm fans running at low RPM, that would direct airflow over the heatsink. The other thing: You can get aluminium oxide polishing wax blocks and use a small cloth. Rub the wax on the cloth, then rub the cloth on the copper. When the cloth is quite dirty, use a clean cloth to do a final polish / remove residue. This will leave a tiny coating of wax on the heatpipes to protect them from oxidation. Speaking as a jewelry maker.

If you want to polish copper you can use a product called BRASSO, i use it for oxidized copper waterblocks and it makes them new,the only downside is the way it smells.

Sharing my results with my 5800X3D I did an undervolt offest of .0935v and I use PBO tuner with an offset of -30. I score at 5600 on cinebench r20 and ryzen master shows a max wattage of 60w. While gaming I keep settings conservative and cap fps at 120 and I often use under 30 watts gaming. Great chip!

@ der8auer EN I'd try simple brasso polish for restoring the heatpipes, any light weight metal polish should help remove the oxide and restore the luster. A cheap at home solution you could try first however would be smooth basic toothpaste. Trying to remove oxides with acid dips is needlessly complicated for that little bit of surface level oxide.

wirewool with some brasso or any metal polish really is what plumbers use to polish the pipes and solder joints.

Brasso Metal Polish it works. Great video like always

Thiourea solution is used to clean silver jewelry and I'm pretty sure I used it on copper too and it's the best thing I've ever used. You can just submerge the finstack in it for a few minutes and it should be basically spotless. It is carcinogenic though, so protection and good ventilation is required!

The schyte orichi. I love that brand not sure why they didn't blow up like noctua. I've been aware of them since 2010. Good products

Flitz metal polish should work to remove most surface oxidation. I don’t know if it’s available in Germany, but they also have a specific product for copper and brass.

I have used Brasso polish in the past to clean alcohol burning camp stoves. If it doesn't destroy anything, it will make it very shiny.

Mix vinegar and salt works very well to clean copper

Orochi is nice, still in use in two systems.

you could use German Flitz silver polish on your copper which works wonders on anything that you want to polish but remove absolute minimum material. On a dremel polish wheel it makes medal shine like a mirror

its scythe like the farming instrument they even feature Deaths Scythe motif in its marketing

i think i was more focused on both cats than the benchmark, too much cuteness

citric acid (either in powder or from lemon juice) works well for copper oxidation or hot vinegar, had to remove the oxide layer from a copper hotend last year and it worked a lot better than I expected

I bet when in a case the cooler would be a lot better due to airflow from the case fans

Just let the copper patina. Street cred in that tarnish.

vinegar and sodium bicarbonate (baking soda) to clean copper then rise with water. I used to clean copper coins like that

I currently have the NZXT Kraken X63 280mm AIO liquid cooler. I plan on ordering the Corsair H170i Elite Capellix 420mm AIO liquid cooler. I have the AMD Ryzen 5800X3D that I just upgraded to for strictly gaming. I had the 5950x. I just don’t do any productivity work so I don’t need all those cores. My case is the Corsair 1000D full tower. It has a top mounted slide out rack that can be mounted with a 420mm radiator. This 420mm AIO should reduce the likelihood of the 5800X3D throttling itself when under gaming and full loads.

Tomato ketchup cleans old copper coins to look brand new. Such a cute cat!

Those kitty cats are SO LOVELY!!

I love the old scythe coolers, I want to find a scythe God hand but idk if they ever actually came out.

Outstanding

Roman, the sound the blade makes cutting through the hay and then the hay makes hitting the ground after being cut. It hits with a Scythe (Sigh) though there are periods of time that figure "th" should be uttered and other periods that felt both pronunciations were totally OK. The word is an onomatopoeia { Lautmalerei }.

Brasso works perfectly on copper :D old skool is the best!

Older coolers are magical. Those aging beasts that were used to cool overclocked Q6600s still got so much resource in them, if it wasn't for outdated mounting brackets.

I would use an alkaline cleaner. It will not attack the metals and it will clean oily residues from hand touch, etc

you could use brasso on a cloth to clean the heatpipes

Try a chimney on the heatsink, then the hot air that rises will pull in more cool air from the bottom.

Before brushing copper you have to use toothpaste [ Make a paste with toothpaste and water so you can spray it on with an old Instanet spray ] and wait 15 minutes and brush away with tooth brush and vinegar

I took therlmalright hr 22 passive cooler (8 heatpipes) and put a fan on it.

You pronounced Scythe right the first time. It's a farming tool but it's also a weapon. It's also the preferred tool to reap the souls of the damned 😂

As gross as it sounds, ketchup is a great way to clean off oxidation from copper. In your case I'd recommend brushing some on to the heatpipes, letting it soak for a few hours, then wiping and rinsing it off. The copper should look new!

Scy-teth is always how i was introduced to and spoken.

Not sure if anyone mentioned this yet, but Coca Cola is great at removing copper oxide and if you use it in combination with 0000 steel wool, it should provide a light polish as well. Great video, keep up cranking out awesome content!

Cat: *is laying on the table* PC parts: *are we a joke to you?*

Scotch Brite works very well at cleaning brass and copper.

That cat is massive!

Try Lemon with Salt mixed in Hot water, works great for cleaning old cooper coins so it should work for cooper heatpipes :)