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​@@crysiscore2051 all start at 3:02:55, spoilers at discretion

Bro really couldn't wait 20 minutes to talk about the thing the game lets you read

Man, Pat has always had some of the worst mods I've ever had the displeasure of witnessing "work."

What did Cade say? Can’t see the chat on KZfaq

It’s not as good as Ultima Thule, but it’s better than Amaurot I’d say so I don’t know why anyway would say it’s bad.

@@TheColdOnez I'm of the opposite opinion, I think Amaurot was incredible and this lost some of its impact because it was so similar but came after. But I think a lot of people were worn out by the time they got here because a lot of DT's MSQ was really long and drawn-out and couldn't appreciate the area when they arrived. People are calling DT the worst expansion in general, and some of that bias is leaking over into the better parts of the expansion. And while it's definitely one of the weaker ones, I think anyone saying it's the worst needs to be subjected to ARR again.

My main problem with it is the lack interactable, duty instances where I can actually play the game. Too much of it spent doing filler odd jobs similar to ARR.

@@HakureiIllusion Well a lot of people dont include ARR as an expansion. And besides, saying "well it's better than ARR" isn't much of a saving grace.

@@TheColdOnez only losers compare so heavily and cant separate individual things

Could you elaborate more? I'm genuinely interested but have no idea what this means

@@AkiS2541 Azems symbol was on the relic

@@AkiS2541 It's the sign of Azem. The same sign that is on the Crystal that Emet Selch gave you to call for aid. It means the key that Sphene uses originally comes from or is at least connected to Azem.

@@AkiS2541 The Chalice is the plot device in the story that the characters use to open the rift between Shards. It's actually is no surprise that the symbol for Azem appears when it's activated, since the WoL's crystal also invokes a spell that does something similar (our Crystal summons allies from beyond the rift, through space and time). It seems that Azem's main powers dealt with teleportation and travel, which makes sense since he/she was "The Traveler". It's also interesting that the Chalice seems to be powered by Dynamis, since it's users believe it grants wishes who those who desperately want them. Dynamis is "emotion" opposed to Aether's "life force" so it's another interesting thing about Azem if they researched it when it wasn't a popular study during the Ancients Era.

@@NeoDMC Well it can lead to that possibility...it could ALSO mean that this was a thing studied on after the sundering since if this can solely allow the user to travel between shards then, at some point, a sundered version of Azem was using that relic to travel between them. The question is why, and an even better one is how did the Milalla eventually get their hands on it?

I think there were implications she did feel that way in how she always kind of recoiled in shame any time Wuk Lamat tried to extend a hand of friendship to her, but she was very firmly in a state of "I literally, physically cannot stop myself from doing this. So I'm going to justify it to myself at every opportunity but feel awful the whole time." Then decided to just delete her sense of self when she decided she couldn't take feeling guilty anymore.

You CANNOT fix her.

Cahciua was easily my favorite character of the expansion, with Wuk Lamat as a close second. That being said, she did have the midna effect on me where when I saw her true, viera form, I was like, "wtf go back"

To be fair, he deserved it. You can't see the chat in this, so for anyone who wants to know exactly what happened, the mod wasn't paying attention and just spoiled the twist the game was about to reveal in the story beat right after because he thought it had already happened, and his response afterward was "oops, my bad, lol"

im surprised he got to do it 3 TIMES before pat took it away

3:06:08 congrats for the new mod

@@Terithian To add on to this, the chat room was put into emote-only mode explicitly so that people couldn't spoil, only for a mod (who can circumvent the emote-only chat) to post the spoiler themself lol

@@TamJam except it wasn't the first time, he literally did this all the time.

Alexandria clearly started the conflict, Sphere bought into Zoraal Ja's tough man routine and got all of her people defeated and deleted because of it. That Section 9 is even able to keep their souls based economy shows how benevolent (and maybe naive) Wuk Lamat actually is, but I'm guessing the patches will be about getting the Alexandrians off souls and onto the Gil standard.

You take the throne to act and the throne acts upon you. The tragedy of power.

Literal main character complex.

Wow you completely fail to understand the issues the story has because you have no fucking idea how to emphasize with a story :D

Also Dawntrail players: "You don't like the obnoxious furry character? You must hate trans people"

@@KGhaleon after listening to the difference between the NA and the JP voice acting, I actually hate the NA Voice "Director" for doing everyone dirty like that. Sena doesn't have a lot of big role experience from what I saw on imdb, so giving her this huge role and apparently giving her no direction is like the voice acting equivalent of being a Horizon game.

​@KGhaleon I appreciate how you outed yourself

Ya I dont get it either. I enjoyed nearly everything about it.

I've come to call it Stormblood Syndrome. It won't hit everyone, but it's a stepping stone. People felt the exact same about Stormblood at the time. But Stormblood is where lots of the new mechanics and qol and similar upgrades were put in. So...just like that.

Wuk Lamat repeating stuff constantly like you're a five year-old watching Dora the Explorer, Bakool doing his complete 180 with absolutely no buildup after committing atrocious crimes, Bakool not being disqualified despite holding an elector hostage and threatening his life directly, Zoraal having barely any personality, we don't get to see his chemistry between his father and his siblings, but we're just told it and expect to feel sad because of it, the whole bandit wild west part just feels like unrelated filler, Zoraal's ships not having any form of air to ground combat capabilities, Otis being a waste of character, having died for nothing protecting a girl who cannot die, and can swap places with a soldier and teleport away at will, Wuk Lamat being able to just break into the final trial for absolutely no discernable reason, just because the plot wanted her to fight Sphene along with you.

​@@blackdragoncyrus cool for all that nitpick people can enjoy without bother those

My main gripe with the expansion ahs been not giving any individual story enough time to breathe. We didn't get enough time to learn about everyone involved with the Trial of Succession. Then we get thrust into Alexandria and we have this compelling, potentially threatening villain in Sphene and... oh, that's handled, please look forward to the next Villain of the Week. It's getting tired having a villain show up and then be dealt with instantly.

it's not too bad if you've seen each mechanic individually before, but acceleration bomb is kinda just a rare as fuck mechanic if you haven't fought ozma/demi-ozma or neo exdeath enough for it to be burned into the back of your head, among a few other bosses here and there. Was glad to see it in not one, but two encounters right in the MSQ.

Pat mentioned it right after, I think, but there’s some dialogue in S9 that mentions her crown being a special regulator.

Probably a teaser for the patch storyline.

They're not even ghosts, they recorded memories existing in an artificial after life matrix

They're literally just NFTs of people that once existed, and we just shut down the servers the blockchain is stored on.

If you believe Endless are ghosts then you must think EW's Ultima Thule is pointless too cuz it's LITERALLY the same thing. The only difference here is that we have to kill them because they're the aggressors, but I don't see people going "ooh Ultima Thule is stupid ciz we're just helping ghosts" Double standards, all of you

I would consider memories put into an android body as a 'do androids dream of electric sheep' situation, given they're capable of self-awareness and reasoning

They *are* for all intents and purposes real people not only as they lived but also perfectly capable of still growing and learning new things. This much is spelled out abundantly clear in the story. They lack XIV's conception of a "Soul" but they are still very much alive, even if only in a metaphorical sense. In a sense you could still call that form of being a "ghost", but would the ghost of someone departed be able to return to you like the Endless? To stay with you throughout the rest of your life and make even more memories with you, and then have you join them when your time comes as well? In some ways it's not unlike the popular thought experiment in regards to one prominent ship of theseus-esque theory as to how teleportation could be made real irl. In order to move someone instantaneously from one place to another with our current understanding of reality we could theoretically do so by deconstructing the molecules that make up our body and reconstructing them elsewhere. The question then is, would that reconstructed person still be you? Or would you die in the moment that the matter that makes up your body is obliterated and would "something else" then continue to live on as you? Ultimately, borrowed time is borrowed time and even they themselves wanted you to end their unending perpetuity, and if not for you Sphene would have consumed the entire universe's aether to keep them alive in a heartbeat.

i was in shock whan he said that. I can just imagine Emet staring at pats WOL making that face from the "Just buy a new phone" meme with his hands on his hips.

She isn't. She is an AI construct made long AFTER the original Sphene's death. The memories recorded of Otis show him going through PTSD for failing his duty, and it's why the original Otis volunteered to the construct revival experiments, the end result of which we see in Alexandria, looking after baby Gulool Ja. On top of that, Sphene's memory construct is bolted onto a locust-like AI whose prime directive runs directly against the memory construct's character - hence the whole "I must delete Sphene's memories" part of the level 100 dungeon, and her bipolar actions before that. Sphene is dead, has been for centuries. All we saw was her digital ghost forced to commit atrocities to sustain an unsustainable system that didn't even work.

A week late, BUT, it's pretty consistent, really. Emet selch is wrong because he wants to sacrifice people who are alive here and now in order to bring back the ghosts of people long dead. Sphene is wrong because she wants to sacrifice people who are alive right now in order to keep the memory ghosts of people alive even after they are long dead. "Moral relativism and all that. As I don't consider you to be truly alive it's not murder when I kill you" might apply... were it not for the fact that the digital memories literally have no souls of their own. Case in point: Otis. Otis's soul was put into a robot body. His memories were also uploaded at the same time. The data-ghost in Living Memory had no soul while Otisbot did.

@@Animedude234 If anything, my biggest criticism of Sphene (a character that I do love) is that she's sort of just... nicer Emet-Selch. Thematically they're doing the exact same thing - putting memories over the living - and it feels like a little bit of a retread of Shadowbringers. Sphene just also happens to be one of the memories, where Emet-Selch isn't. There's enough of a different spin in the details to make it work for me, but the comparison is very much warranted.

I feel the problem with some of the performance had to do with how hard was to do recording, feedback, direction and re-recording when the entire orocess for the english track alone is spread out between 3 vastly diferent timezones (japan, uk and california), so re-recording something when there is a change on a cutscene is very hard

JP dup all the way. Problem solved.

​@@donimmortal7692Agreed, been using JP audio since ARR and I've continued to be vindicated on that decision, lol

I like her voice, but some of those line reads are rough. I'm surprised they even kept them in the game.