Viper changes were talked about ahead of time and these... are not what I expected? Yo? Whats this? Also looking for uwu

As for Viper, maybe they listened to feedback and left the business as is? Thank God.

positional/business "issue" for viper was announced for 7.05 and they mentioned change of range for some skill for 7.01

BLM getting Umbral Soul at 35 now is huge, no more transposing just to stay in a state when there's downtime, you can prep UI3 and immediately go in to Fire Phase when combat starts again in most content now.

As far as Viper goes, Yoshi P DID SAY that they would be adjusting the range of certain attacks in 7.01 while making changes to actions in 7.05 but people seem to have forgotten that part.

The point of the AST change to macrocosmos is so that it's DPS neutral, luke SGE's Pneuma. The reason for the monk changes is because of DKboot, which was literally spam Dragon kick and Bootshine while only doing lunar nadi for your ENTIRE ROTATION

Macrocosmos change is so that it is damage neutral to use (same potency as malefic)

Don't really care about the "Directional Disregard" target ring change. Looks fine to me. In fact every once in awhile I'm like "Wait should I do directionals on this boss? ...Yep I should." so this change will fix that initial hesitation.

On the potency changes, I thought the same thing - until I played around with my MNK this morning. My AOE's were hitting for about 4,000 (5.000 on crits) and now they're hitting for 5,000 (6,000 on crits).At the higher levels, it MATTERS.

Viper changes are what they said, but the changes talked about for directionals and business were supposed to come in 7.05. These were just the easy ones they could do right off.

As a monk main im glad they reduced the number of orbs needed for the added dps, the rotation just became a mess as a result and the weaker potency didnt help so im actually looking forward to seeing how it feels now

thanks for being quick on the draw ☻

I'm pretty sure most people are misunderstanding the business issue. Yoshi P said that AFTER mentioning the positionals meaning he probably wants to remove them because the job already has a lot going on. If you watch Preach, he explains that when he talked to Yoshi P, the only reason positionals are still in the game is that they are trying to test if they still need them to make the classes challenging enough, or if they can do without it. Personally, only SAM and RPR do positionals correctly, having a VERY flexible rotation to accommodate landing the positionals without the constant need for True north. So I'm not worried, I'm pretty sure he was just talking about the positionals.

WAR getting buffed was not on my bingo card, ngl.

That’s not all the changes that are coming this is what Yoshi p said when they first mentioned upcoming job changes: “ Newly released in Patch 7.0, we’ve received feedback pertaining to the busyness of their skill rotation. To that end, we’re planning several improvements, including the easing of directional requirements, and changes to the effects of several actions. We’re aiming to implement these changes in Patch 7.05, though we also intend to make some smaller adjustments to the range of certain abilities in Patch 7.01”

Monk changes feels like the rotation is set back to the end walker rotation. Which is fine it means I go back to that muscle memory. Only real change from it I see beyond the obvious no more dot and dps buff, is that it looks like we use raptor style for when we need to do 3 of the same style for the lunar nadi

Monk is basically returning to EW rotation with all the changes, just have to see what the burst windows look like with all the potency changes. Edit: Astro change for Macro now puts it in line with the same ability from other healers iirc (WHM blood lily, etc).

SE already said something to the effect of "we maybe reacted too quick to feedback" after the mentioned relaxing positionals some time ago. Basically they saw the two opposing opinions in the forums (remove positionals and leave positionals) and opted to listen to the rest of us that were saying "its only been 2 weeks, let it cook some more before you act"

Is the new target ring for when the boss goes to the edge of the arena?

Lol and here I was thinking they couldn't get worse than the modern clothes sets in endwalker hahaha...they sure showed me.

Why would the new ring be controversial? The mechanic is already in the game, it's just made easier to see that the target is omni-directional and that positionals don't matter.

Their previous viper message was read more as "we will move where certain positionals are" rather than remove positionals so chances are they are more moving where certain flank and rear positionals are instead which wouldn't be on said changes page. My guess is they would make it so 1 is always 1 positional and 2 is always the other positional.

I don't think making the GCD longer will make the job feel less busy. they will likely remove some of the ogcds, if I had to hazard a guess the positionals on the dual blades will get removed and the ogcd at the end of their combo finisher will get removed.

I’ll bet the new target ring is something they’ve introduced for normal modes that they can choose to not use in savage. It’s interesting because it means that the devs don’t need to go 100% one way or another when designing fights and can go crazier with mechs that would make positionals dangerous to go for in extended stretches.

I thought BLM was getting some potency buffs?

really happy about the range changes for viper. it doesnt need much else honestly.

the changes for viper can still happen they were talking about potionals being adjusted not nessisarily removed also for ast the pot buff for macro was to make it dps neutral since it was a dps loss and less likely to be wanted for fights

This is gonna be interesting

I figured they would make Viper oGCDs lije the Gunbreaker continuation. More range so you can use them while running away. Glad the positionals are staying as is for now.

Increased range on viper skills hmm interesting makes me wonder how exactly far back i can use the attacks i never been good with reading yalms

The thing with umbral soul is that it's not *super* useful at the thaumaturge levels. Keeping it to judt transpose at levels is fine imo

Umbral soul at level 35!!! Thank goodness!

I'm so sad that they did not show Viera in the picture for the raid gear sooo I'm guessing they can't wear the hat :(

For monk surely the reduction in fury stacks is going to have a big effect on overall DPS output? I rather enjoyed the different rotation.

I haven't even finished the MSQ yet

I main Viper at 100, it's not hard, if you don't want to figure it out, just hit the glowing buttons, use some True North and you're good. If you can't do that, play another job. There are two directional actions, and they cannot be removed without completely striping Viper, and soon enough all melee DPS of directionals. How far are we going to let this simplification of jobs go?!

the other viper changes are supposed to be in 7.05 only range for this patch

plz dont change viper s r it is 100%perfection

They said Viper is during 7.05

Black mage needs rework from the ground up. It feels horrible to do rotation with flare star held hostage at 100, horrible to do aoe pre-100, and horrible for everything before 80. Potency buffs alone won't help.

The shirtless coats are kinda goofy to me but I play as a female. Regardless, I view this raid set as a MASSIVE level up from the generic (and to me, lazy) feel of Asphodelos. I hope this expansion sees more coats than Endwalker

So uhh.. That Warrior buff.. Why do Paladin and Dark knight exist when War is a direct upgrade again?

GIVE ME RECIPES 😭

No new story content

opo ballkick rotation is dead ... rip monk .. it's jover. Back to playing viper

they killed monk again so sad

I guess I'm just glad the raid gear isnt in this futuristic style... thats enough for me for now...

Casual button mashers shouldnt get a say in something like nerfing a new class because it "requires you to move your fingers to much" so im glad they walked that back.

Wuk Lamut shows up and ruins everything

I really should just quit DRK cause its obvious they want it to be the "miserable to play" tank.

The World of Warcraft class balance team are working for Square now. Buffing OP jobs and nerfing weak jobs and at the same time - making everyrhing easier to appease the snowflake drama queen forum users.

meaningful monk change is only the opopo change? did you just completely gloss over the raptor and coeurl going down by 1 each? your skills went from 2/3/4 (full cycle of that form. so the buff and the full consumption of it) to 2/2/3 . . EW monk was 2/2/3, which basically puts us on EW monk playstyle. The opo-opo change was kind of needed on DK, or you force a dK > BS > x > x rotation. Which some people may like, some won't. but the whole 3 raptors and 4 couerl cycle was kind of akward. monk as a whole will play a fair bit smoother rn me thinks. and the numbers seem to line up as a net buff, even compared to the dk > bs > x > x optimal rotation. meaning the only thing that realistically happened from DT > EW, was replacing a dot, and a buff with giving an activated ability to our riddles. where beforehand, the job didn't even play in the same realm of feel. . . i think at least

Wow. Expansion’s not even a month old and already Viper is a failure.

go back and read Yoshi-P statement again