Asmodeus just hires Regill to train and discipline his minions. XD

KEKW, "you think you know DISIPRINE? " YOU ARE SHAMEFUL FAILRUES TO HELL!"

That damned perception check at Noitculas throne roon ruined everything. Had to cast mama into the rift

as johnny bravo once said "thats one hot mama"

It's a funny scene, but if you know about Pathfinder lore that scene is complete BS. You and Areelu, two demigods, go to Boneyeard, flip the bird at Pharasma, one of the strongest deities in the setting, at her own home turf no less, and she can do nothing about it. She would whoop both their asses without effort

@@exantiuse497 Pretty sure that scene was implied to happen way after the epilogue. Beside you do get a pretty major power boost to your divinity from your followers after your deeds in the mortal realm.

@@exantiuse497 Well it hard to judge how powerful Arelu and the Commander would be at this stage. Also Pharasma's philosophy may made her choose to not interfere with the commander's wishes, or her age after all she is one of the eldest gods and may not care much for the antics of two upstarts.

@@exantiuse497 actually, if you didn't intervene when Pharasma is trying to judge ascended Areelu, to Areelu surprise, Pharasma doesn't care if commander is going to retaliate and one shot Areelu. Not even judging her soul or what, she just destroyed Areelu as if she's nothing, not even worth the judgement.

To find this way, you normally have to exactly know what is going on right from the beginning. And to know that, you normally have to have played the game at least once already.

@Nikioko If you want this specific ending (6 crystals for all companions and Areelu to ascend) you need to make the correct decisions all the way from the prologue onwards. The "regular" ascension ending (only the commander ascends, reauires 1 crystal) is not THAT difficult, I almost got it on my blind playthrough (although I didn't find Areelu's secret lab and the correct date would've been impossible to guess) but I don't think anyone could get the perfect 6 crystal ending blind

@@Nikioko I actually got this ending (6 crystals, Angel path) almost entirely by my own. The only part I looked up was the date. I surmise that you are supposed to be able to learn it from the researches you do, but the ending text for those was blank. Which is what prompted me to look it up in the first place! That said I'm not claiming it would be easy or likely, lol

I figured the midnight bolts where important, but I did not know you should actually use them against demon lords. I overlooked that part. I did not find the secret lab within her lab so there might be some clues there I have overlooked. idk.

@@AeonQuasar If you played the Aeon path, you won't need the midnight bolts anyway, because your ending is a completely different one.

Regill " I fail to see how a song can command respect " Everyone.." Urgg he can't be a bard..make him a Blackguard already "

Thats Canon for me now

Giggitty

Oh they came alright

Is that a Gothic reference? ;)

@@the-cubeinator Hell yeah it is lol

*All of them, even the demon lords.

Aru is bae

Nope. Wenduag is the best and most loyal waifu. Camellia is the worst [the only person Ember (who even made Hulrun who killed her father a better person) dislikes]. Even Daeran has some conscience despite being a total degenerate

@@orionhan2431 We're all entitled to our preferences 🙂

@@orionhan2431 "Wenduag is the best and most loyal waifu." Arushalae is also loyal but she has the advantage of not being evil.

its so sad if you die, she spends all her time in her dream world

That part makes no sense. She is clearly surprised by the Commander's power, but she shouldn't be if she foresaw it. I guess the devs retconned her foresight powers for the game

@@exantiuse497 creative liberty, I guess? I mean, Pharasma seems almost omniscient. And ALL omniscient creatures in ALL types of narrative create a myriad of continuity problems I mean, even in the original module... Did she know about the creation of the Worldwound in advance? Did she choose not to tell any other god about that? Is she cool with sudden influx of dead souls? Why is everyone so cool about Pharasma not telling anything about the Worldwound? Do Pharasma's followers know she is ok with opening of a permanent extradimentional gateway to the plane shittier than Hell itself? Are they cool with that? Why is everyone in Golarion cool with that? And the list goes on

@@nolanstrife7350 Yeah, I guess you can't really blame the devs wanting to take liberties. It's pretty much necessary if you want her included in a story in any way. Maybe you could explain away the problem with her not telling anyone about Worldwound etc by saying she knows the future but isn't allowed to alter it? Anyways omniscient characters are more trouble than they're worth

​@@exantiuse497 The simple answer is she wouldn't have been able to see it. Deities have dominion over the mortal realm, not one another. I like to think of "fate" as what SHOULD happen. It is simply a reality that what should be...isn't always what is. The truth is that even the immortal gods can bleed and die. They can be wrong. They can fail. Pharasma is said to be the last survivor of the previous dead multiverse...her knowledge and wisdom would be unparalleled. Perhaps to a mortal being we would call such a thing "fate" or "omniscience"...far beyond our understanding, whatever it is.

@@exantiuse497 It is said in the lore her forsight has stopped working when aroden died.

You'll probably have to look up a guide because so many requirements in each act are needed to get this.

I put a whopping 200+ hours and sacrified hours of sleep and not only did I get a mediocre ending, it was also BUGGED TO SHIT and only showed me the very first slide in the epilogue ashajdhkaha RIP me

Exactly all those hours for a depressing ending. Someone ought to make the requirements more forgiving.

@@Rhygenix agreed, some of the requirements for the secret ending just come off as obnoxious. For example the “time of year” one doesn’t make much sense and locks you out if you spend a lot of time maximizing crusade stats. Requiring players to find areelu’s notes in the secret window in the secret lab that requires the other secret key, at some point it just ends up forcing everyone to use a guide or be disappointed by the their outcome despite getting all the necessary information, motivation, and resources.

getting this secret ending is absolutely bonkers, i'm pretty sure i did everything which was required, except for not choosing an evil or neutral answer to one of her questions in Act2 or early Act 3 (and at that point you don't even know it's her).

Yeah i got that in my ending. Ember is just bonkers storywise xD

Yes. Now we also know how and why Nocticula made her ascension to a deity.

I don't understand why that is. It says you spoiled her plans by not closing the Wound, so I assume she needed that gone to ascend, but I thought you did close it (or absorbed its power or whatever). I wonder if that's a bug, a lot of the endings have bugs after all

@@exantiuse497 I THINK it's because you basically keep her too busy putting out fires resulting from your not closing the Wound, meaning she doesn't spend time in contemplation. She will likely eventually go through the Redeemer path (indeed, that is Paizo canon) but it will be put off a lot longer than otherwise

@@mduckernz Baphemoth survives in canon yet dies in this ending, and Deskari dies in canon and lives in most other endings, so maybe the endings aren't supposed to be canon?

She was born and raised while he was alive. Habit is hard to break. But yeah, the game gets a few details of the lore wrong. (Like calling what should be the Archon path the Angel path.)

Really? I got this ending and managed to save basically everyone. I was Angel of Salvation. What do you think went wrong?

I had all of the stats but military at 8. All of the council storylines seemed to resolve well enough, I'm not sure if you can actually get a bad outcome from them. At the time I recorded this, the military stat was bugged and couldn't go past 6, but that has since been fixed. If you're not getting a good ending slide for them, then either you can get a bad outcome from the councils or it's just bugged.

i know this is pretty late but you need to clear all forts in act 3 to get drezen safe

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Actually she gets super depressed and goes to the void, as murder lost it's luster

@@Haos51 oh wow rip

@@Haos51 Yeah I guess if you end up too high up the pecking order as it were, it really diminishes your prospects for murder-fucking or whatever else gets her off lol

I got a mediocre ending in both games. I'll never forget the shock I experienced in the House at the End of Time (Kingmaker).

What if she was the romance option tho?

@@PH03NIX96 I dont romance Camellia so I dont know

@@PH03NIX96 she loves you too much, starts feeling the desire to kill you and leaves you because despite wanting to kill you she really does not want you dead. So she'd rather leave you forever than risk the temptation.

Daeran hates the idea of worship. He'd never actually let people worship him and he never answers a single prayer, not even one.

​@@goofy855 i like dae, thinking of trickster romance

Shooting Deskari is not necessary for the secret ending. There are 6 possible interactions to increase Areelu's affection for you (shooting Deskari is one of them), and you only need 5. The stone knife you get if you shot him is one of the crystals, if you don't have it you need to become demon or trickster to get the 6 crystals necessary for the best ending (although you can still get the second best ending where you and your companions ascend but not Areelu if you have 5 crystals)

My memory of the details is fuzzy since it has been about a year since I finished the game. At the time of this playthrough, there were more pages than required for storyteller's quests available outside of the threshold. Now, I believe, there are exactly enough to finish all aspects of his story outside of the threshold(so if you miss a page, sucks to be you), plus an additional one in the threshold that is meant to be used to decipher the lexicon without having to pass all the huge skill checks, which is a requirement for the secret ending. As for the story of the storyteller, I really don't remember too well other than it is pretty complicated and will probably be further extended into the next pathfinder game if there is one. My best, brief recollection is that thousands of years before Wrath, he was an extremely powerful archmage who discovered some of the same secrets Areelu did and then some, resulting in him getting the attention of Pharasma. As part of some sort of deal with Pharasma(that I cannot remember the details of) the notebook that contained his discoveries was scattered and he lost all of his memories, but he was also granted immortality and his abilities to relive the history of objects. Once you restore all of his notes, he is then offered to become the usher of Pharasma to collect and safeguard the stories of souls passing through her realm or something like that. In my playthrough, I advised him to tell Pharasma to suck a fat one, and got the ending slide in the video. If you want a better, more accurate explanation of his lore, good luck finding one on the internet, because I couldn't.

the perception check when you talk to areelu in noct's palace isn't when you first open the dialogue, it's when you ask her about suture when you are questioning her. Unfortunately, I believe that is a hard requirement. You may be able to fix it using the toybox mod and this guide: www.reddit.com/r/Pathfinder_Kingmaker/comments/putl3i/cheat_guide_to_secret_aka_true_ending_what_to/

@@yulks4181 Fuck, i just noticed it by loading an old savegame, but at least i can retry by the end of act 4 and not from the beginning

@@quakkoquakko the trick is to play your games the way YOU would play them, and then go on YT to see secret endings ;-) I just finished up Azata with all the more personality-interesting companions, kinda rushing. I have a backlog to get through, and I was satisfied, and then doubly satisfied seeing TC's run conclude. Such a cool game.

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Are you on one of the mythic paths that are ineligible for it? I believe swarm, lich, and aeon are unable to get this ending so that may be why. Otherwise it could be a bug. Maybe try respeccing?

@@yulks4181 im gold dragon, so it should work, right? I got mythic level 10 in the Final dungeon. Was i supposed to get it before?

@@edwardoliveira1748 Sounds like a bug in that case. Could try submitting a bug report or asking in the wrath of the righteous discord.

I also didn't get this option as aeon-to-devil. Maybe it's a bug specific to paths that are unlocked in Act 5.

Someone posted a little guide on some of the values you can edit with the toybox mod to get the ending, might be able to fix these issues www.reddit.com/r/Pathfinder_Kingmaker/comments/putl3i/cheat_guide_to_secret_aka_true_ending_what_to

As Angel you should be able to get a total of five+the purple dagger from the market in kenabres that counts as one. You're supposed to shoot Deskari and Baphomet for 2 of those 5 when you fight them both the second time, but I tried repeatedly with multiple midnight bolts and could not get them to drop any crystals. Ended up adding 2 to my inventory with the toybox mod.

@@yulks4181 Ah, I didn’t know the dagger counted.

Yes, you need to do Nenio's quest to get the extra crystal.

@@yulks4181 yeah, i had the same problem and did the same solution :D

Hello skeletor

@@TheIZproductions hello

@@skeletor4062 You kept Camilla live after everything she did?

@@Fragenzeichenplatte If there's hope for a reformed succubus there's hope for Camilla.

@@skeletor4062 That succubus wanted to change, though. Camilla doesn't. And what about all the hundreds of enemies you killed during the game? Lots of humans among them. Why was there no hope for them? Why keep this one sociopathic murderer alive?

There's a steam guide that lists most of the steps you have to take in order to get the ending and is mostly spoiler free. A lot of the steps are relatively straightforward if you know the ending exists in the first place. The trouble is there are numerous minor decisions that don't seem too important at the time but will lock you out of the ending if you don't choose correctly.

you need to be nice to her all the time, save her minion, be very nice to him and pass several checks about him in dialogue with her before final battle.You can check what conditions you failed in toybox mode and edit them.

@@SapFeaRon I did all of that, I didn't fail any of the triggers, I even tried the toy box mod solution. Yet it still doesn't work. I don't care anymore to play it all again but let this be a word of warning to anyone who would seek to complete the secret ending, it might just bug out and erase hours of effort.

Several mythic paths will lock you out of this ending. You cannot do it as a legend or swarm. I believe you can potentially do it as an aeon but only if you do not follow the route of a true aeon. Also, unlocking aeon requires you sacrificing one of the nahyndrian crystals you need to achieve full ascension for yourself+areelu+companions. There are some spoiler-lite guides available on neoseeker and steam.

Possibly. Are you unable to convince her without it? What mythic path are you on?

@@yulks4181 yeah I know I got the yaniel part and toys wrong but the mythic rank 10 one should’ve put me at 5 options to convince her

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@@yulks4181 ty for replying and what class and mythic archetype did u use?

@@angalv3152 My character in this video was a level 20 gendarme cavalier angel

@@yulks4181 ty did u follow any particular build?

@@angalv3152 no, for this character I just winged it with what little I knew after playing kingmaker. Ended up good enough to beat daring while being somewhat carried by angel but probably not suited for core+.

No, you would have to skip a lot of days in the previous acts to run out of time. I ended up having to skip days for almost a year to get to the required date once I finished everything in act 5.

There is no time limit. The date required is between 16th and 23rd of Gozran, but the game doesn't check for year. You can wait 100 years and still get this ending as long as you enter Threshold at the right date

It's a massive spoiler, and Im not sure how much of it you want to avoid being spoiled. But, the gist of it is you discover a way to use the same source from which you get your mythic powers to become a demigod and convince Areelu Vorlesh to help you do this.

@@yulks4181 Ok thanks, so you become a demon/gold dragon/azata/etc ... ?

@@ralexy999 You already are those things by the end of the game essentially. You eschew the mythic endings and become a demigod with your own realm. What kind of demigod you become I believe is based on your alignment. You still get some ending slides related to your mythic path, though.

you kill the echo right before fighting areelu tho?

you don't need to do any quests to kill him. On gold dragon path i met him in room before areelu and steamrolled his ass.

Turns out there’s some sort of condition, where instead of fighting the Echo, you face against Deskari again. (I guess he ran away from me during Iz by breaking the ground even tho the storyteller says that he is killed). That’s why I was essentially locked out of the True ending. Still not clear why this happens, but thankfully I fixed it with Toy box. UPD: there’s now some extra info in the guide, which basically says that if you take too long fighting deskari in Iz, he escapes.

@@Rroman_afanasyev you fight deskari again if areelu summons him

@@Hekk. Correct, but he won't truly die. Needs to die twice within certain time period. Consequently you won't acquire his realm.

Lich cant ascend

@@rafalst are you sure about that? From what I know only legend can't.

@@rafalst Yes they can. I got it in my game.

I do not. This has been my only playthrough so far.

In short, yes, she ascend with you a have her own slide

Heh, I don't even know you can recruit her as a companion. I guess you have to romance her for that?

@@Antiyoukai Yes, she joins your party just before entering the final dungeon if you romance her.

My thoughts exactly. Two demigods (or a demigod and his herald I guess) come to one of the strongest deities in the setting, on her home turf no less, and flip the bird at her, then no-sell her attempt to kill them? Makes no sense. That's like a housecat beating up a tiger

@@exantiuse497 The way I interpreted it is the amount of power you receive from the ritual is itself a lot, but indeed not very much in the scale of gods. But. The worship you receive afterwards changes that dramatically - and, you already possessed a lot prior to the ritual. And you acquired two entire Abyssal realms and converted their essence to that of your path (Angel, here, so LG or NG). It adds up. That and Pharasma probably just couldn't be bothered to fight about it. She would almost certainly win still but it's just not worth it.

@@mduckernz In that spirit, I'd add the notion of balance too. If Pharasma randomly killed two demi for reasons far less important than what was already going on elsewhere, the pantheon could unite against her. Same way of thinking that the Herald gives you about Heaven not intervening too directly against demons.

Wenduag's ascension ending is mutually exclusive with Lann's. You need to complete the companions' personal quests or they refuse and you can only complete them for the one who joined you in the prologue

I killed Daeran big time, sadly

Yeah, it's one of my favorites. From portrait pack 2024 on the kingmaker nexus.

The killings already happened so it doesn't make a difference (unless you're missing a punishment) and presumably, she stopped with the killings.

​@@Fragenzeichenplatte If that already happened so she just gets away whith what she has done? Complete lack of responsibility, excusing the most evil villain of the game that is trying to present herself as antihero. Not only that, but rewarding her for what she has done? As I've said, this is the most evil of the Endings. P. S. As a god she would do something even more fucked up so "She has stoped with the killings" part is just ridiculous.

​@@MrBellyar Areelu is a horrible human being there is no arguing that. But she was a loving mother, perhaps not a moral one but loving. All she did was for them, for the promise she made over their corpse. Godhood was never for herself it was so her child would never suffer the whims of the gods and they could never steal them again (Also it sounds like as angry as Areelu was at the Sarkions who killed her kid, she was madder at Pharasma for judging her child before she could revive them, ensuring she'd never see them again). All the experiments were so she wouldn't risk the remaining shreds of her child's soul she rescued from the larvae pits of the Abyss. And to Areelu, I think the biggest reward she ever got was knowing part of her child lived. Even if you don't go through with Ascension but show her part of her child lives on she will kill herself to close the Worldwound so her child won't have to. Again horrible person, I wouldn't even call her an Antihero, shes a villain... But an understandable one. But calling her Hilter seems unfair, she just doesn't care about peoples lives there's a difference.

​@@scarletsblood8510 If you try hard enough, you can justify even Hitler. That's a slippery slope. She kills for her own reasons. And from outside perspective motherhood is completely the same level of reasoning as nazism if it leads to so many deaths. She can't be excused because she is a mother or a woman or had best intentions in her mind. She could've used her knowledge to partake in the test of the starstone. She could've find other ways to help her child without sacrificing innocent. She didn't. That was her choise. So yeah. She is even worse than Hitler.

You must remember, cosmic good and evil are things here. Areelu contains multitudes. She did countless sins and committed a genocide, but in the process ripped open a hole in the plane of absolute chaos and evil which forcefully enstated goodness and structure into its depths. 100 years of suffering on the Material Plane, contrasted with an *eternity of siege on the Abyss.* In terms of cosmic good and evil, she allowed an act of unfathomable evil and counteracted it with an act of unfathomable good. The end result, a new array of demigods that gladly take a far more active role in Golarion, is well worth the damage caused to the realm.

I kind of doubt anybody managed to stumble across it accidentally. I'd guess that someone unpacked the script files and reverse engineered the conditions to make it happen.

The demons are responsible for that. She simply opened a gate.

@@kitaisuru she didn't simply open a gate, but pharasma can't judge her because your powers stopped her.

@@kitaisuru “The demons are responsible for that” She’s responsible for making the demons responsible for that.

First of all, you don't give her godhood, the Commander is the only one who becomes demigod, the rest become his heralds. It's not that big of a power boost for her (except for the immortality) Second, she is your mother in a way (or at least I chose to roleplay so that my character believes he is Areelu's son) and even a righteous person could forgive their mother. After all she did all those bad things to save him/her, and was willing to sacrifice her own life to fix the wound

@@exantiuse497 First. Areelu has violated main character in the most horrible way. She basicaly soulraped him (or her if you play female). If you choose to roleplay that this demonic parasite that was implanted in your soul, makes your Areelu son, well, it's your choice. I personally choose a legendary path, where I cleanse myself and make sure witch had her final death. Second its not our character who should forgive her. How about those parents whose children where tortured in front of them for days? All those innocent souls lost in the abbys? Its very easy to forgive evil that was done not to you)