The 85mm Is One Of My Secret Weapons For Unique Images

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I've been using the Sony 85mm f1.4 G Master lens since pretty much the beginning, and it's an absolute staple in my book. In this video, I outline why in general, the 85mm is amazing for more than just portraits, and I explain how I use it for almost every genre of photography I do.
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@brent.cowley Жыл бұрын

People always recommend a 50mm as the first prime lens you should buy, but I recommend a 35mm or 85mm as great choices for prime lenses, because the 50mm sits in a weird middle ground for me. I have a 35mm 1.4 and 85mm 1.4 and the 85mm is definitely my favourite lens. I'm always blown away by the phenomenal images it produces!

@rere998877 Жыл бұрын

I kind of feel that. The 50 doesn't give any special "effect" like the compression of a longer focal length, or the exaggerated perspective of a wider lens. It's more "what you see is what you get". That said, I sold mine and quickly regretted it! New on one the way :)

@olwanziro Жыл бұрын

How do these lenses do in video?

@boostftw123 Жыл бұрын

well said. For me personally I go even wider at 24mm as I can crop into 36 using super 35 mode with the 24mm 1.4

@Kenkichi24 Жыл бұрын

85MM F1.2 🤙🏽🤙🏽🤙🏽

@Kenkichi24 Жыл бұрын

@@olwanziro they’re good! Depends what kind of lens brand you getting

@TheOneMonk Жыл бұрын

85mm 1.8 is a very good alternative when you cannot afford the GM version. One advantage of the 85mm is being discrete - which does not work well with big white Zoom lenses. Thanks for the video, as always very clear and well delivered.

@charminbaer2323 Жыл бұрын

I LOVE my 85mm 1.8! I've had the 85mm and a 35mm 1.4, and have been using my 85mm more and more for my portraits. I recently got a 20mm 2.8 and have been using it more than my 35mm. I love the more dramatic distorted shots i get from that as well, especially shooting from low angles.

@FedThePoopy Жыл бұрын

I remember Pat giving this advice in an earlier video that I found when I was just starting to get into photography. I bought the Sigma 85 Art lens and since it's been by far my favorite lens. I only really shoot street and I feel like it gives just the perfect amount of reach to dial in your compositions. And the 1.4 makes for some really really dramatic images in low light!

@mitchell.breedlove Жыл бұрын

When I first started shooting with my A6000 I purchased an 85mm f/1.8 and it very quickly became my favorite lens. I use it for street photography and portraits. By far my favorite lens.

@DalsPhotography Жыл бұрын

OHHH yeah !!! I have been going out with my 85, and also 90 mm macro lenses since ages! I loved them! Not so invasive, and I can shoot landscapes, portraits, plants, etc!!!! Thank you Pat !!!! Best wishes from Uruguay :)

@Iam_AsGod Жыл бұрын

My Sony 90mm f/2.8 is always finding it's way onto my camera. I bought it for macro, which is what it's made for, but it's just so damn sharp. Super sharp and compact, it's always in my bag. I use it for macro, street, landscape, anything really. It's only flaw is slow and noisy autofocus.

@carlossotom Жыл бұрын

I own a canon M50. The 56mm 1.4 Sigma is one of my favorite lenses. Its small, just weights 288 gr or 9.88 oz.

@mike_abramyan Жыл бұрын

Dude. I can't believe you made this video. I have been wanting to make this exact video for way too long!! I'm glad you did. 85mm is my favorite focal length and holy smokes is it useful for more than just portraits. As an astrophotographer/landscape photographer I have found it to be incredibly useful when I know I'm shooting to print in extra large formats.

@mylesinthesky Жыл бұрын

Also one of my favourite lenses for street photography! The Helios 40-2 85mm 1.5 is an absolute beast too with its swirly bokeh. Great video as usual.

@MulliganAl Жыл бұрын

Excellent talk, I just purchased an 85 and can’t wait to give it a try for street photography and travel, you made me feel more confident about my purchase. 👍🏽

@matthewriley3778 Жыл бұрын

wake up, Pat Kay dropped another video

@patkay Жыл бұрын

😂 mvp mate!

@joshuamarc Жыл бұрын

I am a serious procrastinator, and can talk myself out of anything, have been "going to buy" a prime since the day I purchased my camera, always talking myself out as I could always find different info on different lengths. After watching this video I packed my stuff, left the house, and bought my 85mm.

@JazonHart Жыл бұрын

Every video is gold, Pat. Thank you so much for all of the helpful info.

@boostedmaniac Жыл бұрын

Totally agree on the 85mm. Not too expensive if you opt for the f1.8 and it creates a certain look you just don’t get with a zoom. It’s definitely my favorite lens too.

@paparazziphotography6712 5 ай бұрын

Hello Pat. I have an 85mm 1.4 that I looked high and low for about 30 yrs ago & In my will I've requested that this lense be buried with me! The glass on this is magnificent, & of ALL of my lenses, this one never leaves my sight! I've heard that there is a 85 1.2mm out there in the world somewhere, I really don't worry about that, but man 85mm 1.4 is a tone setter! Excellent piece my friend, love your style of teaching & keep marching forward young man! Mr. Hop......

@SourPlanet Жыл бұрын

You covered everything really well, and with great photos attached. 85 is like 24 in my head- it's so good for one thing that when you bring along for *everything* it delivers amazing results and unlocks a lot of creative thinking. I use an 85/1.8 around NYC and it's just indispensable. Nothing else gets the compression and the isolation yet still allows for some compositional leeway.

@careylymanjones 3 ай бұрын

Bring along a 24mm AND an 85mm. The 24mm for the wide shot to give context, and the 85mm to home in on details that would get lost in the 24mm field of view.

@SourPlanet 3 ай бұрын

@@careylymanjones Yes, I understand how each lens functions. My point was that both function in such a unique way that when you break their convention use- the ones you've outlined here- it brings in a creative aspect otherwise unavailable.

@philbertdeangelo2809 Жыл бұрын

Its been a while since last time I watched your vid, its so great to come back and hear your opinion on something that you love so much.

@BigWillSD Жыл бұрын

Just got my Rokinon 85 mm. can't wait to get it out and shoot. One reason I got was the aspect of it helping to narrow the landscape aspect, forcing me to look harder for the subject of the shot. Thank you sir for the video.

@crisolo Жыл бұрын

love the 85mm focal length, and would really like to hear you expand more on that 35mm street photography digression you had!

@d.j.harris2355 Жыл бұрын

Canons USM 85 1.8 was my first lens upgrade and I love it. I use it for work and get sports photos with it. It gives such a unique look and the speed of the lens is helpful in low light. The 1.8 for video is great too. The descretness of it is an added bonus especially when I don't need to be super close to the subject.

@ridingwheels7481 Жыл бұрын

I’ve use it personally and totally agreed how 85 changed the whole vibe of photography it’s by far the most fav focal length I’ve used so far🙌🏻

@missalarxxx Жыл бұрын

I am so happy! Such a treat watching and learning from you!

@patkay Жыл бұрын

thanks for watching :)

@blisss2159 Жыл бұрын

Thank you so much for this video! I would never think about an 85mm being a landscape/street lens, but seeing the examples you showed, it makes so much sense. I’ve been using a 30mm for a while now and will definitely look into this lens next.

@lawaii2024 Жыл бұрын

I found this out recently. I appreciate your delivery.

@pauloduarte3095 11 ай бұрын

I started photography last year as an hobby and quickly became an addiction lol. I end up getting a Panasonic S5 ll and 3 prime lenses, 18mm f1.8, 35mm f1.8 and the 85mm f1.8. I believe that this 3 lenses are the best combination in my opinion. 18mm for the situation’s when I want to get more of the subject into the frame, 35 when I am shooting in close spaces and I need to have a wider feel of view and 85 for everyday and everything lol. Amazing video showcasing the versatility of a fast 85mm prime lens. Thank you for everything and keep up the amazing work

@ZackStrifeAMV Жыл бұрын

Bought the Sony 85 1.8 a few years ago for portrait. It's my favorite lense now I bring it everytime everywhere, for any kind of photography.

@DoubleB13 Жыл бұрын

Watching you speak about photography is so relaxing. Brilliant story teller you are 🙏

@tshen Жыл бұрын

Outstanding video, thank you. I haven't seen anyone else talk about the 85mm on KZfaq, and you nail everything about this lens - 100% to all of this. When my brother had his camera stolen on holiday, I gave him my old Nikon DSLR with all the lenses except my Nikkor AF 85mm f1.4, which I have a visceral attachment to and now sits on my FM3A, which I also can't bare to part with. Then, when I bought my Fuji X-T2, I got it with the XF 56mm f1.2 (which is the APS-C equivalent) and was the clear stand out among the other primes I got at the same time. Funny thing is, I don't take portraits, but as you clearly demonstrate, 85mm can do so much more and so very well. Excellent stuff, Pat. Please keep it coming.

@frankthetank4418 Жыл бұрын

Love this style of video! A deep dive into the 16-35 would be really cool!

@harvymckiernan93 Жыл бұрын

We all have a favourite go to lens depending on our popular genres. I found my 85mm sits in the bag in favour of the 105 f1.4. The bokeh is certainly buttery, but more importantly the focus seperation is lovely on wider shots. Similar to yourself it's more nimble and discrete whilst maintaining similar character to my 70-200 f2.8 at the 200mm end. I'll be interested to see how the Nikon 85 f1.2 performs when its released.

@mrenovatio3739 Жыл бұрын

I like using 85mm stopped down 3-4 stops, f4-5.6. Makes composition more difficult, but you can layer more elements since the background is not a full blur. Also, on some older design lenses the fall off at F4 or F5.6 can look more "dimentional", than the "cut out" look wide open, or of newer lenses.

@silas1414 Жыл бұрын

Interesting

@user-jr9vw5cx3g 22 сағат бұрын

yes, even shooting at f8 for landscapes with Zeiss 85 f1.4 and Sigma 85mm f1.4, for portraits mainly at f1.4 if outdoors, for studio at f8

@marcmurison Жыл бұрын

When I got a 56mm f/1.4 (90mm equivalent), it immediately became my go-to, favorite lens, especially for street. Months later, this is still the case. It's a fabulous, rewarding focal length to work in.

@perryvalton4245 Жыл бұрын

Have you tried 90mm f2

@thegrayyernaut Жыл бұрын

@@perryvalton4245 I owned a 35mm f/1.4 and 90mm f/2 before. I sold both to get a 56mm cuz it sits in the middle and I needed to cull my kit. My comment on the 90mm f/2 is that it's my favorite Fujifilm lens ever.

@joshh6395 Жыл бұрын

I love this lens ! Definitely one to have one in the kit ! Underrated!

@JanSchick Жыл бұрын

Agree Pat. This is actually my first bought prime lens and I just adore it. It’s sharp!

@tanyatokyo Жыл бұрын

I mostly shoot with a 50mm on an aps-c camera which gives similar results and I always felt most comfortable shooting street with that setup :)

@kushagrasingh7731 Жыл бұрын

I was just looking at the photographs.. such beautiful composition ❤

@fcintron78 Жыл бұрын

Great video just subscribed so refreshing not one camera maker ,named purely educational 😁😁love it keep up🙏🙏

@lncmason 27 күн бұрын

Great video - thanks! Just bought my first new lens - a Canon EF 85mm. It's not high-end, but it will do anything I need it too. Pretty excited.

@juys1234 Жыл бұрын

The Sony 85MM is phenomenal! I’ve used it in all these scenarios you mentioned and it just brilliant!

@lgude 5 ай бұрын

I love this focal length and have an Olympus 45 mm f1.8 which is very close to the full frame 85. Fast enough too and so small it is easy to handle. I started before zooms so I tend to think primes.

@-grey Жыл бұрын

This was super interesting to me. I was more in line with your last video like this: the 24mm. However after seeing your contextual photography at 85, I'm very impressed and kind of want to try it myself. I have a 75, which is not quite the same, but it will still be a challenge to previsualise the scene and know where to put my feet for the best contextual shot. I usually find myself in a mess of over isolation when I've tried in the past. Nothing really in the shot except the subject. Or overly abstract detail shots.

@Subfrequenz 5 ай бұрын

Really enjoy 85mm as a walkabout lens on my Sony A7Rii. I like how it can pick out details with either the framing or shallow DoF. Fun to use.

@ronald4139 Жыл бұрын

I really love my Viltrox 85mm 1.8. It's cheap, light and gives great results. Great video, love your work! Thank you!

@jwp2166 Жыл бұрын

This was very, very helpful. Thanks. I'm heading out to get some shots with my 85.

@uratasan 15 күн бұрын

Great info thank you

@TheMrxveyron 5 ай бұрын

When i'm traveling i was packing all the time my 35 1.4 and my 85 but i change a lot, now i'm more confortable with zoom, i m using for most of my shoot and street photography the new 60-600 from sigma and it's just insane!!!! love ur vids buddy

@raphael2012 Жыл бұрын

I already liked the "look" of the 85mm. Now, this video puts in an objective way. Thanks Pat. Love your videos

@luism.2050 6 ай бұрын

The sigma apsc 56mm f1.4 made me fall in love with taking photos with my Canon ef-m M6 mk ii. Ultra light and compact. Superb optics. Forces you to compose carefully and as a result learn a lot.

@chuchonmc 6 ай бұрын

The 85mm f1.8 from Tamron for DSLR (Nikon D780), one of my best lenses, mainly surf photography. "Compact and light", relatively but fits inside the waterproof case and I can swim with it... Cheap, great glass, it has stabilizer, super fast for focusing and the focal length is really nice for it. It also is on that DXO Mark list, overall score 46 and standing 22nd I think. But I could even do the same with the Nikon 85mm f1.8G.

@charliejg Жыл бұрын

Until I got an 85(XF56mm f1.2), I wouldn't have thought one could be glued to my camera. But, that is exactly what happened when I started using it. Love it. Also, have been using a 135mm(XF90mm f2) a lot. Love it's sharpness. I got both for doing portraits, but have used them for everything.

@philiporr1330 Жыл бұрын

I love my 85mm 1.8 for landscape photography! I’ve taken some of my favorite landscape shots with it.

@kevingoza 9 ай бұрын

Thank you!

@mikeyb6737 4 ай бұрын

Thank you

@LeeRatcliffe 5 ай бұрын

Very well explained! I do like longer focal lengths for landscape too. My go to is A7Riii/35GM & A7/FE85

@ulhasarolkar 5 ай бұрын

Great analysis ... thanks

@burak3217 Жыл бұрын

Man your ending sentence always touches me ! Thank you for your work man.

@58mummybear Жыл бұрын

the 85mm is my favorite lens, the first one I bought for the reasons you said. its a beautiful lens

@ottoespinalxx Жыл бұрын

One of the best videos I've seen man! Greetings from Honduras

@veselinvasilev9362 Жыл бұрын

Thanks!

@BigRey305 Жыл бұрын

Another great point of view from a great photographer.

@charlessummers7381 Жыл бұрын

Great video! I'm very happy with my Tamron 85mm 1.8 Great compression and bokeh! Quickly becoming my go-to...

@jmejia73 11 ай бұрын

Great video - just ordered my first 85mm (I had already ordered before watching this video but definitely reaffirms my decision)

@martinhendry Жыл бұрын

Fantastic video as always, Pat. A great point of view and insight into a different approach to street that I'll take note of. I'm currently challenging myself with a 130mm on APS-C, really changes how you approach the street. All the best.

@martinhendry Жыл бұрын

Aaaaaaand I've just ordered a 85mm equivalent manual vintage lens. 😂

@maksrozman5196 Жыл бұрын

I started with 24-105 and 85... Best decision ever... It rly helped me thinj real harder and the results are real sweet

@jixal 3 ай бұрын

I bought a Sigma 55m f1.8 for my APS- C not realising at the time about the x1.5 zoom factor. Although some shots were harder to get it forced me to learn how to use the length and easily produced some of my best shot's ive ever taken. Forces you to get creative :))

@mauricioposada8270 Жыл бұрын

Good advice. That's my next lens:) I mostly shoot with my 24 mm prime. I thought it would be too narrow in its application, but it turns out that I rarely put another lens on my camera. I feel the pull to that 85mm, though. Thank you, Pat Kay!

@josesalgado2796 Жыл бұрын

You talked so much about your love for the 85 1.4 GM so I went out and got one! It's great for the reasons you listed but you never mentioned it's a slowerfocusing lens compared to modern lenses and it makes some noise when it focuses. I'm hearing there's an 85 1.2 in the works so I'm super stoked about that. Anyways, I would love it if you could try out the 12-24 2.8 GM, I'd love to see how you make that lens work

@Looppehh Жыл бұрын

I personally love my konica hexanon 57mm f1.4 on aps-c; coming to about 91mm. It's probably my favorite lens. So much character and for the type of photography I like to do, it works on every level. I highly recommend you try this lens.

@ChristianThueringer Жыл бұрын

thank you for the recommendation

@Jwallsmedia Жыл бұрын

85 was my second lens, was awesome for portraits 1.4 is awesome for low light too

@JaredDoyle76 Жыл бұрын

I LOVE my Sigma 85mm 1.4 DG DN. Much improved over the adapted HSM version.

@pandabytes4991 9 ай бұрын

I remember the 2nd lens I bought was a 60mm f/2.8. I used it some before setting my camera down for personal reasons. Now, about a decade later, I'm picking my camera back up and the 85mm is my next lens of choice. I just don't like zoom lenses anymore. If I use one, I only use it at the marked focal lengths instead of adjusting the lens to perfectly fit the subject. I prefer the mindset of using my feet to zoom and the creativity I have while doing so.

@Jadesfishing Жыл бұрын

Hell yeah I love my canon 85 1.2 it’s a great lens. Great video!

@OneRequiem123 Жыл бұрын

I love the 85 focal length and really want a prime for it. In the meantime I use my 70-180 f2.8

@patkay Жыл бұрын

it's great! especially as an auxiliary lens if you've already got the range covered :)

@apollovishwas9349 5 ай бұрын

I use 25mm f2, and it’s my go to, I love the fov, love the lowlight performance, love the bokeh at times

@iloverendering Жыл бұрын

I always bite the bullet and bring the 85mm f/1.4 for all the reasons you mentioned. Love your videos.

@nubscrub Жыл бұрын

I was under the impression that many photographers experience this focal length equivalent early in their journey. With Canon being the biggest camera brand, for users starting out with one of their crop sensor cameras the classic second lens purchase after the kit lens tends to be the inexpensive 50 1.8 which gives a focal length equivalent of 80mm with the 1.6x crop.

@YVZSTUDIOS Жыл бұрын

That's exactly what I had. Tho I had a sony aps-c instead. But my lenses were indeed a 35mm and then a 50mm f/1.8 I did use the 35mm (which is close to 50mm on full frame) more than anything else though and thought the 50mm was not necessary. But boi was I wrong. I switched to full frame recently and also brands: Canon RP with the RF lenses and with the 24-105 f/4-7 I very soon realized that I love the 85mm look. As of now, I just have that kit + a 50mm f/1.8, which is necessary for low-light. But I still haven't decided what to get next. the 24-105 f4 or 85 f/1.8 because don't wanna own a bunch of lenses like last time. I want the smalles amount and take only the ones I need on a shoot/trip. I mainly (want to) use my camera for Portraits and Travel.

@dorianvocalartist Жыл бұрын

very compelling testimonial

@lsamoa Жыл бұрын

Very inspiring video, thank you! I just got an 85mm lens and although I'm still getting to know it better, I absolutely love it. I'm curious what your opinion is of 40mm pancake lenses. Any chance you might do a video on them?

@MrJapanforce Жыл бұрын

PERFECT. 85mm is the one and only

@gilknutson1938 5 ай бұрын

Back when I was a lot more active and could shoot whatever I wanted whenever I wanted... and used a Pentax LX, my absolute favourite lens for almost all forms of images was the 85A*. Still miss that lens! As I said, it was my go-to lens!!! Now, I have to use a A*55mm f:1.4 on my K-3 crop factor camera. Close.. but not exactly the same...

@ivanf2782 Жыл бұрын

Great video! Just one comment. Compression si not about the narrow field of view. Is about the distance from the camera to the subject. A telephoto lens requires you to be further away and that distance is what we see as compression in the final pictures. Cheers !

@Joizygyrl926 Жыл бұрын

My Sony FE85mm f1.8 gets used the most for sure. That compression is just chef's kiss for me.

@stevenyoung6841 Жыл бұрын

I have a small issue. I have an APSC and had originally kit lens 18-55. Then got a 35 and 85mm. And then realized too late that I essentially have 50mm/135mm equivalent full frame lenses... @patkay Think I can still shoot with the 85mm APSC lens like the 85mm full frame you speak of?

@GoldtriggerDude Жыл бұрын

My 85 has been sitting in my camera bag for way too long. Time to start shooting! Inspiring video. Thanks!

@varungidwani7900 Жыл бұрын

Just bought an 85mm prime for myself ..what timming...thank you for the vid

@Adam-vx6to 10 ай бұрын

This was my first lens and honestly I think it's more useful than my 24-70 (for my workflow and style). Only betttter might be my 135mm now

@abrahamcardenas13 7 ай бұрын

Since I’m a contrarian, I chose the canon 85 mm f1.4 for my first lens haha I love it

@vinothkumar8984 Жыл бұрын

The best of the pictures i have taken are from 85mm Sigma art F1.4 .. you just cannot go wrong with this one 🙌🏻

@aurorasmith4632 Жыл бұрын

That was great!!!!

@Oddish08 5 ай бұрын

Great video!! I have a 35mm GM but 85mm will be my next!

@markscott4059 Жыл бұрын

I started my journey using a vintage 50mm on apsc, which is a 85mm on full frame. When I use a other lens I find them to wide. Since I started with 85mm, it’s just a normal focal length to me

@lounisphotography 4 ай бұрын

My two lenses to go are the 85 and the 35mm. I photographed the London fashion and I'm glad I had the 35mm

@liverpoolpictorial 3 ай бұрын

Great video, Pat. Normally use a Sigma 1.4 35mm lens for night street photography, but tried my old Nikon 1.8 85mm lens last week. I think I'm doing something wrong, as the images were too soft. What settings are you using?

@cloudx8299 Жыл бұрын

This sounds great on paper but how do you manage switching lens? It gets tiring quickly after constantly changing different lens on a trip throughout the whole day

@miguellucero 5 ай бұрын

Thank you for breaking this down for the new people. Question: 33 years old. Starting to finally get into photography. Always had a love never did anything about it. I think I’ve landed on the Sony A7Riii for my body. Then the 85mm 1.4 for portraits. Yours is the second video I’ve watched on it. So that’s my decision. But I also love Landscapes. You mentioned a 7200. What was that? Can you recommend 1 lense for landscapes?? Thank you!

@geglover90 Жыл бұрын

35mm next! And thanks as always for the amazing content! You're still my favorite content creator, ever.

@christopherberry8519 5 ай бұрын

I hate the term compression it's just completely confusing and wrong... What changes is your perspective and the magnification. For a similar framing, you have to stand back further. The trusty 85mm at f/1.8 or f/1.4 has a huge aperture between a f/2.8 and a f/4 70-200 which for me makes it really useful in failing light - which is some of the best kind of light! It's a LANDSCAPE LENS!!! Really - give that a try!