Closed case since January of 2023.

It interesting seeing how a team and media could break a young QB. I remember the Jets and the NY media broke Geno Smith in his early NFL years. Only difference was Geno actually had talent.

@@Gump-tionMac obviously isn’t great. But a lot of the hate stems from Boston media and fans not wanting to trash on bill because deep down everyone knows Brady was the one wining all of those super bowls. Bill ain’t nothing without Tom, so let’s just shit on Mac and hope he’s a reliable enough scapegoat.

😂 the patriots have gone soft without Brady… (pause)

not really. The players are young. All the older players are gone. No one to lead. This is a new day. They don’t understand the Patriot way.

@@crystale828well cuz the og of patriot way, the founder Tom Brady, wasn’t wanted so I blame bill

12 total. #1 Christian Gonzalez - IR #2 Keion White - playing for Judon, contributing #3 Marte Mapu - playing as a hybrid S, contributing #4 Jake Andrews - playing for injured OL rotation, developing to replace Andrews at C #5 Chad Ryland - playing, decent for rookie kicker getting few chances due to offense yardage #6 Sidy Sow - playing for injured OL rotation, developing to replace Onwenu/RT #7 Antonio Mafi - playing for injured OL rotation, good guard prospect #8 Kayshon Boutte - playing for injured WR rotation, some flashes #9 Bryce Barringer - playing as a pretty good first year punter #10 Demario Douglas - has emerged as the best skill WR for YAC and route running #11 Ameer Speed - waived due to unrelated roster issues, claimed by IND #12 Isaiah Bolden - IR injured while playing for the CB rotation

Literally taking me back to the patriots i grew up with in the late 80s

I disagree at least the teams before Brady was at least entertaining and could score points lol .

​@@truth3412at least those teams could score points and at least entertaining to watch

so a regression to the mean? This is what a NFL franchise looks like for most teams.

@@omizzy20 there wasnt anythjng entertaining about the rod rust era of new england patriot football buddy.

where are you getting that quote from

@@waynetables6414 The media after the SB. It was huge news at that time. Belichick's assistant coaches were spreading that quote around and were agreeing with it. That's when the friction between Brady and Belichick were at it's peak. With how much control Belichick had over the organization, who else would give it okay to spread that rumor around other than the man himself.

@@JohnSmith-nj4zq no i remember that at the time.. i remember it being a rumored thing "someone on the coaching staff" said.. you are attributing it to belichick as a matter of fact so I asked because i was wondering if you knew something i didn't.

@@waynetables6414 Belichick won the bet. The year prior, he benched Butler and purposely threw the game away to the Eagles in the SB. He didn't even try. Brady and Kraft had a plan to replace Belichick with O'Brien. But that plan got derailed when he did a great job against the Rams in that SB. That was why Kraft chose Bill over Brady. Kraft and Belichick looked like a fool and full of embarrassment when Brady won the SB with the Bucs. Belichick was so petty he didn't even call Brady to congratulate him until the following season when they played against each other. Kraft felt regret with that decision to let Brady go. Now he is regretting he chose Belichick over Brady.

@@JohnSmith-nj4zq all plausible but what is your source of information

Insert peak Tom Brady into this team, and they easily win 10 or 11 games and make the playoffs.

Such a meh take. A QB alone doesn't win. BB has lost it but it doesn't mean he never had it. And don't conflate this to me saying that I think BB was more important than Brady. Brady clearly is the best player ever.

@chupa.me.la.p1nga like I don't even understand, everyone thinks he's the best player ever, how does that legend grow? No one thought it was all belichick And if they did it's stupid. Coaches can have really good systems but it's up to the players to make it work consistently. Especially in the pros.

@@NYESOX The overwhelming mainstream talk show take back in 2020 when Brady left was that Bill was responsible for the dynasty and he would certainly win the divorce in the coming years. Even now you have past Brady haters like Shannon and others coming out and saying he was plain wrong and Brady obviously deserves the lion share of the credit. Which is objectively the correct take.

@@NYESOX You can certainly argue he's never had it as a head coach without Brady. He was under .500 and missed the playoffs in 4/5 years as the Browns hc. Went to NWE, went 5-11 with Bledsoe in 2000. Then starts 0-2 in 2001 before Brady steps in, is on the hot seat before Tom takes them on sb run that year. Brady leaves in 2020. Has now missed the playoffs in 3/4 years since Tom left, 0 playoff wins, 0 division titles. 81-96 all time record without Brady. So yes, he's never had it without Tom.

Yeah if you are coming out of that event looking at Zappe in any way that's the wrong take. It didn't matter what happened that was a message to the fans and the league that Mac is done. Bill said in the press conference after that Zappe had been running 2min drills in practice pretty well, and that despite the lack of result he saw positives that translated from practice to that drive. It was *all* messaging and rating Zappe on the outcome is not the idea.

Sort of a disingenuous take with the way you frame the timing. The guys in the postgame show Sunday pointed out the same thing and pointed out how ~30sec was taken up by that one run play that BoB decided to call.

You almost can't get upset no matter how much they suck now. We've been the luckiest, most spoiled fans in the history of professional sports. I'm with you, I just watch them for entertainment these days just how low they can go. lol

Take Lawrence Taylor and Brady away from BB he turns human .. officer doofy actually

Stop saying he can’t when he absolutely can. He’s never aloud to. And when he does his trash receivers always drop it.

@@jungle7178 Allowed...

Buffalo win was a complete outlier.

@@semicharmedlife311 yeah and they got cocky after winning. Unbelievable

So? The ball wasn't getting there anyway lol. After watching the replay, If anything, it made the interception difficult cause it was going to hit the DB in the chest.

Major behavioral issues going all the way back to college, now in airports and the NFL. He's a turd.

they did that instead of confirming mac is benched lol they think were stupid