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Is the Christmas Tree a pagan custom?

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Patristix

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Decorating a Christmas tree is one of the most Christmassy things we can do! But are we doing it because we're stuck following old pagan customs?
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An article about Prince Albert, Queen Victoria, and Christmas trees: www.townandcou...
Jonathan Pageau on 'the misguided rise of paganism' and what it says about how people are missing traditional, symbolic, Christianity with a cosmic vision: • The Misguided Rise of ...
A compilation of nice Christmas trees: • The World’s Most Amazi...
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@sanguiniusse434
@sanguiniusse434 Жыл бұрын
Your videos are always so comfortable to watch. I have a lot of anxiety that interferes with my prayer life. But your videos are always so calm and relaxing, they get me into a place where I can let go of my worldly worries and be with God in peace.
@RestfullyRenewed
@RestfullyRenewed Жыл бұрын
Satan will use anything to interfere with our prayer life. Praying for you.
@OrthoKarter
@OrthoKarter Жыл бұрын
God bless you.
@brandonslade2134
@brandonslade2134 8 ай бұрын
I love how youre playing O Holy Night in the background. My favorite song. "Fall on your knees."
@Ianassa91
@Ianassa91 8 ай бұрын
Loved this: "We should respect pagans because they became the first christians, and we should respect the early christians because they are our ancestors."
@so_she_said
@so_she_said Жыл бұрын
Love this Christmas series
@donnat2793
@donnat2793 Жыл бұрын
THANK YOU, THANK YOU, THANK YOU!! I can't wait to watch the other videos! God bless you & your family. 🙂🎄🎄
@ameecallaghan7979
@ameecallaghan7979 Жыл бұрын
This Christmas series has been wonderful!
@despairknot
@despairknot Жыл бұрын
"Behold I make all things new" - Revelations
@joachimjustinmorgan4851
@joachimjustinmorgan4851 Жыл бұрын
We have a fake tree. It feels wrong so I sometimes still go out and get a real one. The fake one is up this year though.
@nathanjohnwade2289
@nathanjohnwade2289 Жыл бұрын
Thanks for helping to show light on the myths.
@NavelOrangeGazer
@NavelOrangeGazer Жыл бұрын
The fear of "is x pagan" is a self refutation in a way to those who claim to be Christian as it implies that Christ is not stronger than paganism.
@foxecarpentress4964
@foxecarpentress4964 8 ай бұрын
Interesting, I never heard these truths!
@br2870
@br2870 8 ай бұрын
This was fun!
@dirtpoorrobins
@dirtpoorrobins Жыл бұрын
Oh no. The word “pagan” is in the title. Expect a lot of comments from people that didn’t actually watch the video 🤣 This was really well done though. I will be sharing it out
@opabinnier
@opabinnier Ай бұрын
It would have been a real treat if you had got the tree fight: the classic Xmas tree is the SPRUCE, not the fir. (I think firs are finer and more elegant, but only a Norway spruce truly looks and smells like Christmas...)
@majinflaco8353
@majinflaco8353 8 ай бұрын
Nice work. I think your knowledge is similar to jonathan pageau work. Thanks for keeping Christmas alive.
@SearchfortheMeaning
@SearchfortheMeaning 15 күн бұрын
It is symbolic perfection my friends. Ver mysterious perhaps, philosophical theological, natural , biological, spiritual, cultural, astrological and religious, devine perfection..
@tSeychellek
@tSeychellek Жыл бұрын
Thanks for the video. I love history, especially Canonical, and I’ve been conflicted about the tree and the dressing of it. The ONLY reason is because of scripture. Jeremiah 2-4. You didn’t bring this verse up. Can you please address this? Thank you.
@Patristix
@Patristix Жыл бұрын
Thanks for watching!🎄 Firstly I’d say that those verses in Jeremiah 10 are about idolatry and not about decorating trees. We don’t worship/idolise Christmas trees. Imagery/beauty DOES NOT equal idolatry. The Early Church was clear on that. Imagery, including Christmas trees, has pointed Christians to Christ for centuries. Also, a closer look at the verses in Jeremiah 10 shows multiple mentions of ‘the hands of the workman’ and work of the ax. It is decked with silver and gold, fastened etc. Then verse 5 anthropomorphises the tree. These verses are NOT about the tree. The people mentioned are literally fashioning a tree into an idol, in the image of a god. The mention of a tree in verse 3 is to point out that no matter how they shape it, this idol will always be a tree. A similar point is made in Isaiah 44:14-17 Finally, showing that these verses in Jeremiah are not about trees and that it is possible to decorate and use them towards our worship of God, is the temple. 1 Kings 6 talks about tree designs there! Everything is made of cedars, and they LITERALLY overlay them with gold. Ezekiel 41:20 talks of palm trees carved from the floor to above the door. Many other mentions of trees ‘in the house of God’ are in the scriptures. Imagery, art, beauty, ourselves… as Christians we bring it all to God to be transformed to His glory! Hope this helps, and that you have a wonderful Christmas!
@vanessac.7040
@vanessac.7040 Жыл бұрын
@@Patristix this is a beautiful explanation. All Glory be to God! ☦️💕
@IC.XC.NI.KA.
@IC.XC.NI.KA. 11 ай бұрын
Very clear and articulate. Thank you!
@Candielou87
@Candielou87 8 ай бұрын
What about the Yule log?
@Patristix
@Patristix 8 ай бұрын
Another tradition often thought to have pagan origins and yet is impossible to trace back that far. The Yule Log is first referred to in history as "the Christmas Log" in the late 17th century. It becomes the Yule Log later. We have no ancient connection with a ritual log burning. It seems to be a Christian tradition of keeping the light of Christ through the 12 days of Christmas. Yule itself seems to be an ancient word for the winter season rather than a dedicated pagan festival and the earliest uses of the word Yule all seem to be synonymous with...Christmas. We've added a Yule article to the description of this video
@henridib7222
@henridib7222 Жыл бұрын
🎄☦️🎄
@WilliamDusing
@WilliamDusing Жыл бұрын
Thanks!
@mrsnkg7904
@mrsnkg7904 Жыл бұрын
Glory to God. Kyrie Iesu Christe Eleison Me 💖🙏🎄
@Dragonfly20233
@Dragonfly20233 2 ай бұрын
Jeremiah 10
@Patristix
@Patristix 2 ай бұрын
Copied from our earlier replies to the same question: Those verses in Jeremiah 10 are about idolatry and not about decorating trees. We don’t worship/idolise Christmas trees. Imagery/beauty DOES NOT equal idolatry. The Early Church was clear on that. Imagery, including Christmas trees, has pointed Christians to Christ for centuries. Also, a closer look at the verses in Jeremiah 10 shows multiple mentions of ‘the hands of the workman’ and work of the ax. It is decked with silver and gold, fastened etc. Then verse 5 anthropomorphises the tree. These verses are NOT about the tree. The people mentioned are literally fashioning a tree into an idol, in the image of a god. The mention of a tree in verse 3 is to point out that no matter how they shape it, this idol will always be a tree. A similar point is made in Isaiah 44:14-17 Finally, showing that these verses in Jeremiah are not about trees and that it is possible to decorate and use them towards our worship of God, is the temple. 1 Kings 6 talks about tree designs there! Everything is made of cedars, and they LITERALLY overlay them with gold. Ezekiel 41:20 talks of palm trees carved from the floor to above the door. Many other mentions of trees ‘in the house of God’ are in the scriptures. Imagery, art, beauty, ourselves… as Christians we bring it all to God to be transformed to His glory! Hope this helps, and that you have a wonderful Christmas!
@Dragonfly20233
@Dragonfly20233 2 ай бұрын
@@Patristix "Imagery/beauty DOES NOT equal idolatry. The Early Church was clear on that. Imagery, including Christmas trees, has pointed Christians to Christ for centuries." It has been there for centuries however when you do the scholarly research on "Chirstmas" what you will find is that all the traditions we have(trees, wreaths, caroling, and gift giving) were already there on the same week as our modern Christmas. They just called it saturnalia. Constantine simply appeased the pagans by telling them they could keep all the celebrations and festivals and didn't have to change anything except the name of whom they were celebrating(this is exactly what modern Christians want as well). Dec 25th is the birthday of 4 different pagan gods before the birth of Christ and when Constantine made it Christian Christmas. They kept all the pagan celebrations and just changed the name. I think if you have to come up with so many reasons why this is ok when God says don't do it then it's probably a lot simpler than that. Just don't do it. Everything you mentioned here(while I very much appreciate your civil response) is a rationalization of interpretation. God says don't. The cedars in Kings are the building materials not the centers or even decorations. They are being used as building trusses. I appreciate your willingness to engage the conversation. All the best.
@Patristix
@Patristix 2 ай бұрын
@@Dragonfly20233 Thanks for disagreeing so nicely! We do have another episode on "Is Christmas pagan": kzfaq.info/get/bejne/oLl4h7Cc1ZiRo4E.html Here's one on another two ancient Christian birthday festivals: kzfaq.info/get/bejne/f7qZgMWnqLrYZ2g.html And there are more links in both of those videos descriptions, please do check them both out. I'm afraid there is no scholarly research on Christmas' pagan origins nor of the pagan origins of the mentioned traditions. (A case COULD possibly be made for pagan carolling but it could also be just 'singing' door to door, and who doesn't like singing about Jesus). The idea of Christmas having pagan origins is a 19th century fiction that has stuck but has no scholarly basis, it was built largely out of anti-religious sentiment. Wreaths, trees, mistletoe, the Yule log... they're all late Christian-era traditions. Not saying they're good (mistletoe and kissing seems a weird one to me), but they're definitely not pagan. The earliest reference to Christians celebrating Christmas on the 25th of December takes place more than 50 years before Constantine was born, in a text by Hippolytus of Rome. Of course we can civilly disagree on our differing interpretations of Scripture, both of us think the other is rationalising it, but I'm glad we can agree that it is a matter of interpretation rather than it being an obvious verse against Christmas trees. Again, thanks for watching our videos and for disagreeing with elegance.
@varelion
@varelion Жыл бұрын
One of the main logical reasons for the use of a fir tree was because it was fully green in winter. An oak tree in December would be a rather disappointing view. So, to represent life, you need an evergreen tree or branches. Caspar David Friedrich did not only portray old trees but also ruins of old castles or monasteries. If he portrayed people in his paintings, then those would be dressed in old German garb that was forbidden since 1819. So, Friedrich adored old trees, buildings and traditional clothes and by their miserable condition expressed the oppression of patriotic values and thoughts. And ... why wouldn't Christians be allowed to invent a tree of life on their own without too many references to biblical Christianity? It was still very cold, dark and fruitless in winter on the latitude of Germany. And so it is no wonder that all the things you miss so dearly in winter - green, warm light, fruits, red colors - are represented in this extremely powerful and successful combination of symbols that the Christmas tree today is.
@svenrn3545
@svenrn3545 8 ай бұрын
I sincerely would like the OP's opinion or anyone that wants to weigh in on Jeremiah 10:1-4
@Patristix
@Patristix 8 ай бұрын
Copied from our earlier replies to the same question: Those verses in Jeremiah 10 are about idolatry and not about decorating trees. We don’t worship/idolise Christmas trees. Imagery/beauty DOES NOT equal idolatry. The Early Church was clear on that. Imagery, including Christmas trees, has pointed Christians to Christ for centuries. Also, a closer look at the verses in Jeremiah 10 shows multiple mentions of ‘the hands of the workman’ and work of the ax. It is decked with silver and gold, fastened etc. Then verse 5 anthropomorphises the tree. These verses are NOT about the tree. The people mentioned are literally fashioning a tree into an idol, in the image of a god. The mention of a tree in verse 3 is to point out that no matter how they shape it, this idol will always be a tree. A similar point is made in Isaiah 44:14-17 Finally, showing that these verses in Jeremiah are not about trees and that it is possible to decorate and use them towards our worship of God, is the temple. 1 Kings 6 talks about tree designs there! Everything is made of cedars, and they LITERALLY overlay them with gold. Ezekiel 41:20 talks of palm trees carved from the floor to above the door. Many other mentions of trees ‘in the house of God’ are in the scriptures. Imagery, art, beauty, ourselves… as Christians we bring it all to God to be transformed to His glory! Hope this helps, and that you have a wonderful Christmas!
@svenrn3545
@svenrn3545 8 ай бұрын
@@Patristix excellent work boys. I appreciate this. I want to do what does not offend God. So I haven't put one up in two years until I could make sure I wasn't offending Him. This is a great explanation and I also looked into it with a few different translations and came to the same conclusions. The tree was chopped down to fashion/carve an idol. Thanks again!
@svenrn3545
@svenrn3545 8 ай бұрын
The NLT version says it best: “This is what the Lord says: “Do not act like the other nations, who try to read their future in the stars. Do not be afraid of their predictions, even though other nations are terrified by them. Their ways are futile and foolish. They cut down a tree, and a craftsman carves an idol. They decorate it with gold and silver and then fasten it securely with hammer and nails so it won’t fall over. Their gods are like helpless scarecrows in a cucumber field! They cannot speak, and they need to be carried because they cannot walk. Do not be afraid of such gods, for they can neither harm you nor do you any good.”” ‭‭Jeremiah‬ ‭10‬:‭2‬-‭5‬ ‭NLT‬‬
@lisaonthemargins
@lisaonthemargins Жыл бұрын
NICE
@varelion
@varelion Жыл бұрын
BTW, the story of Bonifatius praising a fir tree after he cut down the holy oak is a new myth, created in a poem of the 19th century. In real, Bonifatius just cut down the tree (with some help, I guess). And when there was no punishment by Donar/Thor after this deed, he had at least partly convinced the audience of the non-existence of their gods. This was sufficient. And (!) it is important to know, that at that time in this moderate region of Germany (Fritzlar in Hessia) there were no fir trees. These trees had been imported since the second half of the 19th century from Scandinavia as a fast-growing substitue for the broadleaf-trees that had been used in the process of growing industrialization.
@uncommonsense7399
@uncommonsense7399 14 күн бұрын
What about Jesus actually birthdate ? He wasn’t born on commercialism day lol
@Patristix
@Patristix 13 күн бұрын
We talk a little bit about the date here: kzfaq.info/get/bejne/oLl4h7Cc1ZiRo4E.html But there's more to be said including about how in the Early Church most did believe that His actual birthdate was 25th of December. Some have since made calculations regarding the Bible's mentioning Zachariah 'serving in the division of Abijah' to arrive at a late December birth of Jesus.
@iqgustavo
@iqgustavo 9 ай бұрын
🎯 Key Takeaways for quick navigation: 00:55 🎄 *The Christmas tree is not pagan; it has distinct Christian origins.* 01:23 🌲 *Pagan sacred trees, like the Norse Yggdrisil, were different from the fir tree.* 02:40 🌳 *Christianity adopted the fir tree for its own symbolism, distinct from pagan practices.* 03:36 🔺 *Saint Boniface chopping down a sacred oak led to the fir tree becoming a Christian symbol.* 04:55 🕯️ *The tradition of decorating Christmas trees, including lights, has roots in post-Reformation Germany.* 05:55 ✝️ *The Christmas tree is not a pagan symbol; it symbolizes the Holy Trinity, God, and the eternity of the Christian faith.*
@bibleman8010
@bibleman8010 9 ай бұрын
The idea that Christmas might be pagan was advanced as early as 1648 in the work Certain Queries Touching the Rise and Observation of Christmas, written by the Puritan Joseph Heming. Later fundamentalist writers took the idea and ran with it. One particularly influential writer was Alexander Hislop (1807-1865), a minister for the Free Church of Scotland who published a pamphlet in 1853 titled The Two Babylons. In this pamphlet, Hislop claimed that Roman Catholicism is really nothing more than re-branded Babylonian paganism and that all the holidays associated with Catholicism are actually ancient Babylonian religious festivals in honor of the heathen gods. Hislop was a zealot, vehemently anti-Catholic, and a crank whose ideas had almost no factual basis whatsoever, but his work became extremely influential among Protestant fundamentalists. It is from Hislop that the concept of Christmas as the “birthday of Tammuz” derives. [Some of the above comes from an article published 8.DEC.21 by D. Armstrong] The above said, there is no denying that some traditions and customs surrounding Christmas are derived from pre-Christian beliefs and practices; the tree (a Germanic tradition), the “plant” traditions - holly, ivy, mistletoe (from the Celts). Indeed, many of our present-day customs and traditions, from the days of the week to the candles you blow out on your birthday cake, have pre-Christian antecedents; but no one really seems to complain about those. In fact, I’d be willing to bet that very few people are even remotely aware of them. Quite frankly, whether one wishes to acknowledge it or not, the “pagan-ness” has been effectively ‘bread out’ of these Christmas traditions for well over 1,000 years now. They have, for all intents and purposes, become completely Christianized. Like other pre-Christian customs and traditions that have become part of our culture, it’s time for some to get over it. 😊😊The first Xmass tree Boniface steadied the nerves of his friends and as they approached the pagan gathering he said, “Here is the Thunder Oak; and here the cross of Christ shall break the hammer of the false god Thor.” [4] Boniface and his friends arrived at the time of the sacrifice, which was interrupted by their presence. In a show of great trust in God and born from a desire to enkindle the fire of Christ in the German pagans, Boniface grabbed an axe and chopped down the Thunder Oak of mighty Thor. The Germans were astounded. The holy bishop preached the Gospel to the people and used a little fir tree that was behind the now felled oak tree as a tool of evangelization. Pointing to it he said, “This little tree, a young child of the forest, shall be your holy tree tonight. It is the wood of peace… It is the sign of an endless life, for its leaves are ever green. See how it points upward to heaven. Let this be called the tree of the Christ-child; gather about it, not in the wild wood, but in your own homes; there it will shelter no deeds of blood, but loving gifts and rites of kindness.”[5] Awed by the destruction of the oak tree and Boniface’s preaching, the Germans were baptized. Boniface continued his missionary efforts into old age when in 754, he left for a trip to Frisia with fifty monks. Their work was successful and many pagans agreed to receive baptism. When the appointed time came to celebrate the sacrament, a large armed crowd of pagans approached the missionaries. Knowing his time to die was at hand, Boniface discouraged his followers from fighting and said, “Cease my sons, from fighting, give up warfare for the witness of Scripture recommends that we do not give an eye for an eye but rather good for evil. Here is the long awaited day; the time of our end has now come; courage in the Lord!”[6] The ferocious pagan attack left Boniface and his fellow companions dead and celebrated as martyrs for the Faith. His later biographer, Othlo, recalled Boniface’s deep love for the people who he endeavored for so long to bring to Christ: The holy bishop Boniface can call himself father of all the inhabitants of Germany, for it was he who first brought them forth in Christ with the words of his holy preaching; he strengthened them with his example; and lastly, he gave his life for them; no greater love than this can be shown.”[7] In the centuries that followed, the Catholic tradition of using an evergreen tree to celebrate the birth of Jesus spread throughout Germany, and German immigrants in the eighteenth century brought the custom to the New World. Although there are many stories, legends, and myths surrounding the founding of the Christmas tree, including the claim that the custom originated with Martin Luther, there is only one story rooted in a real person and a real event: Boniface, converter of the Germans, who destroyed Thor’s mighty oak.😎😎
@Richie_roo
@Richie_roo Жыл бұрын
First
@laurendamasoruiz
@laurendamasoruiz Жыл бұрын
Even if the Christmas tree was a pagan tradition I would say, so what? It’s our tree now! In the words of Richard Rohlin, “we’re going to make Shark Week a Christian holiday” too. So watch out world! ☦️💜🌏
@notaverygoodguitarplayer
@notaverygoodguitarplayer 8 ай бұрын
Great video, i agree with @sanguiniusse434, and i live the video makeup--illustrations and animations. What program do you use?? Thanks for teaching truth.
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