patterning a .410 vs 12 gauge at 40 yards part: 1

patterning a .410 vs 12 gauge at 40 yards part: 1 | bco review |

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here is the first of many cross gauge pattern battles between .410 - 20 - 12 etc with different loads and chokes at different yardages!
this part one test was with the franchi affinity 3 12 gauge with an .665 indian creek & winchester longbeard xr's 3 inch 1 3/4 payload of #5's vs the mossberg SA-410 with a carlsons heavyweight tss .380 & browning tss 3 inch 13/16 payload of #9's at 40 yards!!
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@stevenraushenberger716 3 жыл бұрын

That much variation between identical load and set up would be concerning. Most of us wouldn’t shoot enough of the same load/set-up on paper to see this. This may have made as much argument for hand loads, as it did 410 vs 12. Worth keeping an eye on for sure. Thanks again for the pattern series!

@BlueCollarOutdoorsUSA 3 жыл бұрын

Exactly what I’m thinking and it was just part 1 of this 410 vs 12 for plenty coming with tests along these lines too

@dakotabarriger4546 3 жыл бұрын

About a half hour ago I was thinking about what a 12ga with lead would do in comparison to a .410 with tss. I guess my mind was read and then this video was posted. Immediately clicked on it.

@BlueCollarOutdoorsUSA 3 жыл бұрын

Well got 3 more parts to this coming too!

@dakotabarriger4546 3 жыл бұрын

Hell yeah!

@BlueCollarOutdoorsUSA 3 жыл бұрын

They’ll get better each test 🤙🏽🤙🏽

@joshandhuntersadventures5046 3 жыл бұрын

Great comparison video thanks for sharing

@BlueCollarOutdoorsUSA 3 жыл бұрын

Thanks hoss!

@edwardhess7834 3 жыл бұрын

The twenty gage did the same thing to me when I was pattering my set up with the Browning . One was great and the next and the next after that sucked ? Remington 1187 20ga Indian creek 555

@BlueCollarOutdoorsUSA 3 жыл бұрын

Must be the mass produced effect

@hazelpup 3 жыл бұрын

Great video as always I’ve been wondering how the two would compare. Thanks for doing it and saving me some ammo.

@BlueCollarOutdoorsUSA 3 жыл бұрын

410 wins with the right setup this is just part 1 stay tuned

@hazelpup 3 жыл бұрын

@@BlueCollarOutdoorsUSA I believe it another thing I’ve been impressed with the 410 is how hard it hits them folds them right up

@BlueCollarOutdoorsUSA 3 жыл бұрын

That’s tss for ya!

@krisbittner803 3 жыл бұрын

My mossberg sa-410 bagged a beauty of a Tom today 35 yards dead.

@BlueCollarOutdoorsUSA 3 жыл бұрын

Hell ya hoss!!! Love to hear it!

@bigjhunter7660 3 жыл бұрын

Ol long beard is tuff to beat for a lead load 👍🏻🦃

@BlueCollarOutdoorsUSA 3 жыл бұрын

Got that right!

@ericbaker2023 3 жыл бұрын

Great video as always. May I suggest though that you always have each gun shooting at max performance, meaning if a gun shoots best clean then do so, or if it’s best on a dirty barrel do so. I’m not being critical in anyway, but I know my Stevens 301 .410 consistently shoots well on a clean barrel or on the 2nd/3rd shots but by shot 4 the performance drops dramatically. I have an 870 SPS that shoots Win Longbeard #5s lights out at 40, but my Stevens 301 .410 with factory choke and Apex 9.5s will outshoot my 12. Anyway, great video.👍

@BlueCollarOutdoorsUSA 3 жыл бұрын

I agree the Stevens loves a clean barrel 100% it’s the same with mine, the difference between the patterns it throws dirty & clean varies between loads from what I find some loads the difference is minimal

@brentworls8509 3 жыл бұрын

Still working on my $99 Rossi with fixed sights... My front sight was too high, so trying to get it dialed in yet, but the Apex loads don't stick in mine, fwiw. Three inches low at 25 means a body shot at 40, gotta fix that.

@BlueCollarOutdoorsUSA 3 жыл бұрын

Ya apex ejects in my Rossi only load that hasn’t yet is the rogue loads

@brentworls8509 3 жыл бұрын

@@BlueCollarOutdoorsUSA I haven't shot those, just Apex and Federal.

@heathalford4721 3 жыл бұрын

Curious did you use the IC bc it does better than the patternmaster in that set up? I’m not knocking any sub gauges with tss & 12ga maybe overkill at times but it’s almost always reliable

@BlueCollarOutdoorsUSA 3 жыл бұрын

No I used IC because I didn’t want any patternmaster choke in this part 1 test

@heathalford4721 3 жыл бұрын

Cool well it’s always helpful to show a lot of different options and see what’s what

@BlueCollarOutdoorsUSA 3 жыл бұрын

100% we try to get it varied keeps it fun!

@johnbowhunter7676 3 жыл бұрын

Odd that the 410 shell was inconsistent?... I really liked the apex hometown blend you patterned in the 410...👍👌

@BlueCollarOutdoorsUSA 3 жыл бұрын

The hometown blend? The small batch 7.5/10s?

@johnbowhunter7676 3 жыл бұрын

Yep

@graysquirreltreeservice7299 3 жыл бұрын

What do u guys think the best 410 shell bb size ,I see if u go from 9 to 9.5 on turkey ninja u add 100 pellets?do u think 9.5 is the best size. For the 410?

@BlueCollarOutdoorsUSA 3 жыл бұрын

going from 9 to 9.5 is no where near adding 100 pellets, from what im told the difference between the two shot sizes isn't even noticeable by sight, one handloader told me its truly a minimal shot count difference between 9 & 9.5 with the same payload

@lonniekiser3612 3 жыл бұрын

Thanks I don't have to sale my 12 gauge, with XR. LOL keep it going Guys

@BlueCollarOutdoorsUSA 3 жыл бұрын

That’s a good setup but just wait for the next tests between these two 🤗😉

@gooseabusewaterfowl4868 3 жыл бұрын

I enjoy watching your videos. Just wondering if you have done a comparison of 12 and 20 gauges with 2oz of 9s in each?

@BlueCollarOutdoorsUSA 3 жыл бұрын

That’s coming 😉🤫

@gooseabusewaterfowl4868 3 жыл бұрын

I can’t wait!!

@BlueCollarOutdoorsUSA 3 жыл бұрын

Same I’ve been curious about this since we shot the 20 gauge 2 Oz on the channel

@bryantitus6634 2 жыл бұрын

This is exactly why I have mixed feelings about running XR. I personally love it, but I don't load it every time. If in sitting field edges, its in the tube in case I have to stretch it. I've made some VERY tight in shots with it but you have to be 100% on target or it's a miss pretty much literally shooting a rifle inside 10-12 yards. Not that it makes a terrific difference what you run inside 20 but if I'm going to go sit in the woods, it's 3rd degree or grand slam. Actually 3" Nitro Turkey #6 is absolutely lights out out to 40 while throwing a touch wider more forgiving pattern in the timber. I normally leave it at home though because I won't run it over 40 yards cause #6 lead. Sure you PROBABLY are good to 45 or maybe 50 with #6s but it gets less reliable and I'm not crazy about it. I've taken '40 yard' shots that ended up being 47, 52, and 54 yards. Happens.

@BlueCollarOutdoorsUSA 2 жыл бұрын

I hear ya 🔨🔨

@ericplatt3390 3 жыл бұрын

Over choked possibly? I’ve tried some apex outta one of my mossbergs with a 705 choke and it pattern way better than my 676 stardot plus it was very uniform. And tried it out of my mag 10 Ithaca with a standard choke full 30 inch barrel with beautiful results honestly patterns that would cleanly take birds to the 60/70 yard mark. Just thinking maybe just a full choke if they even make one for the 410?my wife’s 20 ga youth nef has a modified choke and does amazing work till 40 with Pendleton 20ga tss and close range 20 and in it’s not like slugging at his waddles 😀

@BlueCollarOutdoorsUSA 3 жыл бұрын

Well it shot amazing the first time same choke load gun it was a beach ball at 40 this time atrocious lol

@ericplatt3390 3 жыл бұрын

@@BlueCollarOutdoorsUSA yeah I noticed that I would hate to have that be a deal breaker in the woods if it’s inconsistent.but then again it still would have been dead👍🏼

@BlueCollarOutdoorsUSA 3 жыл бұрын

Agreed ahahah

@vernonwilson4762 3 жыл бұрын

Wow never saw that coming

@BlueCollarOutdoorsUSA 3 жыл бұрын

Crazy difference in performance not a fan of a shell with no consistency

@vernonwilson4762 3 жыл бұрын

@@BlueCollarOutdoorsUSA absolutely I knew the 4.10 was gonna blow the 12 away n wow I was wrong and that Carlson choke you shot I'd like 2 c 1 of my shells shot through it . it shot really good through my cousins gun tks guys

@BlueCollarOutdoorsUSA 3 жыл бұрын

It’ll happen gonna put all those chokes to work with your loads

@vernonwilson4762 3 жыл бұрын

@@BlueCollarOutdoorsUSA good deal n tks appreciate it

@vernonwilson4762 3 жыл бұрын

That's what happens with mass produced shells there very inconsistenc handloads are way better n I know for sure a hand loaded 4.10 will beat the 12 everytime n have more killing power to

@deerslayer440 3 жыл бұрын

Does that .410 ever jam on you?

@BlueCollarOutdoorsUSA 3 жыл бұрын

Not this far no

@tannerking4130 3 жыл бұрын

I’m gonna lie the 12g has the advantage in range ,but the .410 can perform very well at 40rds and It as whole lot lighter to carry than a 12g. It also has less recoil making you less likely to finch/pull a shot on a bird

@BlueCollarOutdoorsUSA 3 жыл бұрын

Depends if the 12 gauge is shooting lead it loses any advantage in range over tss, some setups are insane with tss like my personal 410 setup is nuts

@jmanownz985 8 ай бұрын

a whole lot lighter... maybe trade your guns in for a purse.

@BlueCollarOutdoorsUSA 8 ай бұрын

I think I’ll keep my fer tens and keep hammerin em 🔨🤣

@jmanownz985 8 ай бұрын

@@BlueCollarOutdoorsUSA I can understand using a 410, but let’s not cry about the weight of a 12 ga lmao

@BlueCollarOutdoorsUSA 8 ай бұрын

@jmanownz985 honestly my second bird of NY this past spring was 100% due to how light my 410 was I know self filming with all the shit we carry having a 3 lb gun that hammers em is badass

@deerslayer440 3 жыл бұрын

Does it only shoot 3” shells?

@BlueCollarOutdoorsUSA 3 жыл бұрын

I’m assuming the 12 gauge and yessir 3’s pattern better than 3.5’s in my setups

@deerslayer440 3 жыл бұрын

@@BlueCollarOutdoorsUSA I’m talking about the .410. Will it cycle 2 1/2” shells?

@BlueCollarOutdoorsUSA 3 жыл бұрын

You betcha

@patb5923 11 ай бұрын

Still a dead Turkey at 40 yards with that .410 bore

@BlueCollarOutdoorsUSA 11 ай бұрын

Yessir! We have more of these tests coming!

@dennypitman5272 3 жыл бұрын

Maybe shim your guns. You seem too constantly shoot 3-5” left. Not being rude by any means and love the pattern series and your other videos. Just something I’ve noticed and have heard you mention it as well (I think)

@BlueCollarOutdoorsUSA 3 жыл бұрын

just depends what the gun is zeroed with as I go over in the vids, every load/choke shoots different

@brentworls8509 3 жыл бұрын

I think you're always pulling left because of that wad of tobacco. Try shooting with it on the right side.

@BlueCollarOutdoorsUSA 3 жыл бұрын

I put my dip in opposite side when I’m shooting my cheek is flush, if it was on my right side it’d be on my stock

@brentworls8509 3 жыл бұрын

@@BlueCollarOutdoorsUSA but then it could push the shot right and on target. lol

@BlueCollarOutdoorsUSA 3 жыл бұрын

🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣

@waynemayle865 3 жыл бұрын

I would say the Browning shot Shell's were junk

@BlueCollarOutdoorsUSA 3 жыл бұрын

They shot amazing in the last test!

@bryantitus6634 2 жыл бұрын

While you've got better patterns in the .410 with other TSS loads, if this was your first 40 yard .410 tss shot, it'd look impressive as hell. I'm looking to get a Mossberg 510 for my daughter(s) to run and run in the future when the little one gets into it. If I can get federal tss to shoot like this in that fixed modified barrel at 40, I'll be thrilled.

@BlueCollarOutdoorsUSA 2 жыл бұрын

Very good point! I wouldn’t go with federal tss in that case I’d go with a handloaded option over mass produced it’ll be more consistent

@bryantitus6634 2 жыл бұрын

@@BlueCollarOutdoorsUSA I like to take the little ones or pretty much anybody new to it somewhere where you have a much higher chance at a shot right in your face than over 30 yards. And ground blinds are very good tools for little ones. Check out the Rhino 180. Two sides are blacked out where the other two sides are see through mesh. Can't see in but barely even noticeable looking out. Was checking one out yesterday and ill have it for next season without a doubt. If I can get the little 'jr' .410 to shoot federal tss out to 30-35 yards I'm more than happy. I don't expect or really even want crazy tight patterns for a young'en. I'd rather have a dinner plate size pattern at 15-20 and still be tight enough at 30 than be dinner plate tight at 30+. Can't often have your cake and eat it too but it is what it is. I keep wanting to find a Mossberg 510 or Rossi tuffy (the youth 18.5" barrel) tested at say 30 with TSS to see how it works. I've seen videos of it being used in those guns to kill turkeys but not patterned. I'd be interested to see what your Stevens or Rossi would do with the factory supplied modified or full choke with federal tss and/or custom loads. Should emulate SIMILAR patterns to what these true youth size guns produce. Also, the tuffy turkey comes with a removable spacer that makes it the same size as the youth model but retains the 26" barrel threaded for choke tubes and with a scope base. It'll either be a Mossberg 510 or a tuffy turkey with the spacer removed for the kids. I learned on a H&R single shot but I have reservations trying to get kids on birds when they need to cock the hammer to shoot. It's less of an issue for more seasoned shooters, but I'd rather them only need to slide a safety over than cock a hammer in the moment, and then take the safety off.

@BlueCollarOutdoorsUSA 2 жыл бұрын

We have a video of that blind on the channel already it’s 👌🏽👌🏽

@bryantitus6634 2 жыл бұрын

@@BlueCollarOutdoorsUSA not sure how I missed it, I've watched 3/4 of your videos twice now haha.

@BlueCollarOutdoorsUSA 2 жыл бұрын

My man! It’s on there I promise ya ahahah

@graysquirreltreeservice7299 3 жыл бұрын

Weird

@BlueCollarOutdoorsUSA 3 жыл бұрын

Mass produced shells for ya